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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 28, 2017, 03:42:36 PM

Title: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 28, 2017, 03:42:36 PM
Hello,

We will be clearing trees from the right of way on the Mountain over the winter, as this work is permitted contingent on the ground being frozen.

Mike plans to begin at the bridge site this Saturday.

We will also be clearing next Tuesday, January 2.  Details on Tuesday's work TBD after this Saturday.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on December 29, 2017, 10:49:33 PM
Unless they added another day to this year, Tuesday will be January 2nd..

Plans were to get the dozer to the bridge site, but the cold weather has made that a chore. We still may get it up there on Saturday, but not to do any work..

Plenty of trees on the extension to be cut. There are a few pine trees to cut, and 2 at Fossel Crossing (not an official name) that I cut for the contractor could be cleaned up, and we could work north from there.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 30, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
“Unless they added another day to this year, Tuesday will be January 2nd..”

Oops.  Fixed...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2017, 10:49:08 PM
Dozer is now on Trout Brook ROW. Next Saturday we should plan a good start for tree removal. We talked this morning and have a good plan, and I think it will go very quickly. I walked to the brook, and it is frozen solid. There is little to no frost in the ground, so we will have to pay attention so we don't disturb the soil.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2017, 10:57:36 PM
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Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 30, 2017, 11:11:13 PM
Will the cutting and clearing occuring on Saturday also include burning? Long-range forecast says next Sat will be still very, very cold (single-digit highs, if it makes it above 0.)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
I hope so..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2017, 11:55:07 PM
Expected tree cutting this week.

TOM North on Wednesday.

Trout Brook Saturday.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 03, 2018, 06:13:29 AM
Your local TV weather shows an intense snow/wind storm traveling north just off the coast should drop about 6 or more inches in the WW&F area Thursday, remaining cold, clearing and getting colder over the weekend.
Pics show a snowy TB work start just in from Rt 218.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 03, 2018, 11:31:33 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0103181234_zpskgbktexb.jpg)

This is how it started off. The dozer just would not fire this morning at -4. That was 11am... So the guys decided to take an early lunch while I gathered the generator and torpedo heater...10 minutes of this and the dozer took right off.

Fairly productive day. All the small brush was cut up and stacked out of the zone. There are some pictures that were taken while we did this.

Last thing we did was cut one large yellow birch. This proved to be a bear to get out whole, so the guys cut some of the leaders off of it while I repositioned the dozer. And then it came out.

A great start. I think Saturday will be a slow day because of the expected high of 1..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 04, 2018, 12:44:26 AM
Jasons pictures.

Before lunch..

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After lunch

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on January 04, 2018, 01:25:04 AM
Great shots one and all but it looks to have been bitterly cold. I can't fault that dozer for not wanting to start without some extra warming. I hope you had a fire nearby to give you all a place to warm up a bit although I don't see one in any of the pictures.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 04, 2018, 01:36:47 AM
No fire. We were too busy..but we got the pile closer to the Trout Brook parking lot, so maybe one can be had on a cold Saturday..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: John Kokas on January 04, 2018, 01:58:59 AM
Looks like you could use a Lombard to help drag all that timber out of there.  Any good hardwood to go to the sawmill?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: John McNamara on January 04, 2018, 02:10:16 AM
One of the great things about these pictures is that they are reminiscent of so many pictures from many years ago - pictures of places where we now run trains. :D
-John M
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Fred Morse on January 04, 2018, 01:37:12 PM
When we were younger John!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 04, 2018, 02:21:00 PM
 Working in such a cold (- 17 C)  goes to show your dedication to that two-footer once more . It will take the line and the trains  far away northward .
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 04, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
I agree with Duncan, it looks terribly cold in those photos. How large of a crew was there?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 04, 2018, 09:42:14 PM
7 in the morning, 6 in the afternoon, unless I am forgetting someone.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 05, 2018, 12:02:57 AM
That sounds balmy compared to what's forecast for this Saturday.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 05, 2018, 01:24:49 AM
We started at about -10. We will be making an attempt at something Saturday. I would like to at least burn or attempt to burn what we have cut, and maybe cut a few more trees..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 06, 2018, 12:45:59 AM
How's was the wind on Wednesday? We've been having wicked overnight windchills in the -15 to -20 range.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 10, 2018, 12:20:09 AM
Meanwhile, up at the Brook...

With warm weather predicted this week, and an expected inch of rain on Friday/Saturday, I was real concerned about the ice on the brook. While it was still somewhat solid, I wanted to remove the necessary trees on the south side of the brook. Steve Z. joined me, and the first picture is of what he and I accomplished. Reinforcements arrived shortly after he left, and helped me cut the branches off and stack the brush from this tree. We then did 3 EASY ones, because I was about done.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0109181302a_zps5lz0tauo.jpg)

And here we are at the end of today..

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 10, 2018, 08:32:53 PM
Nice photos, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Chuck Watford on January 11, 2018, 12:47:55 AM
I keep thinking it would be fun to come help, but -10...holy cow!! I'm in Alabama! Anything below 32 and we stay inside by the fire!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: James Patten on January 11, 2018, 01:37:06 AM
Today (and yesterday and tomorrow) it is actually above freezing.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 11, 2018, 01:39:31 AM
Yes, It was quite balmy in Sheepscot yesterday - I think it may have hit 40 degrees!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: John Kokas on January 11, 2018, 01:47:38 AM
Nice pics Mike.  Looks like we have a few trees a wee bit to close to the centerline.  Any beavers looking for work?   ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 11, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
John...good one!
Great pics. I see fine evidence of progress--less woods, more stumps.
Given da weather, you guys should be either sainted by the Pope, or knighted by the Queen...maybe both!
What' s really great is that  Trout Brook Bridge Project Sitework HAS STARTED!!
In construction-speak, it's called Clearing and Grubbing.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 11, 2018, 11:11:54 PM
I know everyone thinks we are nuts, but this is work we have to do now, while the weather is cold. So far, no soil has been disturbed. Not sure what the rain will do to the snowpack tomorrow and Saturday, so our work may have to be scaled back if the snow goes away.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: John Kokas on January 11, 2018, 11:21:52 PM
A lot of people think Mainer's are crazy for venturing out in the winter.  Having lived in Maine and far upstate NY, one understands the real meaning of "cabin fever" and there are times when -10 below is a lot more desirable than another day coop'ed up in the house!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 11, 2018, 11:27:30 PM
I agree 100%, Mike. There is a reason loggers prefer to work in the winter months, especially on wet ground or ecologically sensitive sites. It's all about minimizing soil disturbance.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 12, 2018, 12:02:18 AM
Didn't realize there has to be such minimized site disturbance. Also, your time constraint is so tight. Wow.
Go for it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 13, 2018, 07:15:19 PM
After the warm weather and rain the last 2 days...

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: John Kokas on January 13, 2018, 08:17:37 PM
That's a whole lot of water!  Ice jam?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Gordon Cook on January 13, 2018, 09:38:44 PM
Looking at the pictures taken today I was wondering how our Trout Brook bridge and site plans match up against the conditions that you observed?
How extreme was this event compared to the worst case that is planned for? 
And did you check the previous work sites to see what they looked like?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 01:43:48 AM
While the water level may be high, it is far from the projected flood plain. The estimated floodwater height, according to FEMA, is about a foot below the height of the grade. Look at the included drawing, the FEMA flood plain is the blue line just below the bridge.

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 14, 2018, 03:36:12 AM
Wow guys, we are going to raise the top of the rails 3 feet 2 inches above the current ground height.  Subtract rail and ties and that is about 2 feet 6 inches to the bottom of the ties.  I had no idea that we would raise the track that much.  Not that I am complaining, that is just a lot of stone and gravel.

Impressive drawings by the way.  Did Ed do all those?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 14, 2018, 11:53:15 AM
The drawings were a combined effort of Christopher Marston of the NPS, Eric Schade and myself.  While Ed wasn’t involved in this one, he helped us greatly with the production of very professional maps and site plans (which is Ed’s cup of tea).

The stream profile seen in the drawing is from an actual profile survey performed by several of us this fall.  Note in particular the “normal high water line” as labeled on the drawing, then note how quickly the banks fair out away from the stream.  The normal high water marks on site, and at any stream which experiences flow like this, are very plain to discern- as their sharply eroded for a short vertical jump in the profile.

As you can see, the volume of water required to get above the high water mark goes very high very quickly.  This is why the high water mark is so eroded- high flows rarely make it above this mark.

I wasn’t on site yesterday but from Mike’s pictures it looks like the water level is right at the high water mark.  It does this regularly. 

The “floodplain” on the drawing is the FEMA 100 year floodplain.  Now you can see why such an event is only expected every 100 years or so.

The bridge piers are required to be 20% wider than the high water marks.  We have achieved 80%.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 14, 2018, 11:58:07 AM
The raising of the rail height is to get the bottom of the bridge at least 1’ above floodplain, a requirement.

The raising will be accomplished with the use of retaining wall blocks on each side of the roadbed fill approaching the bridge, as adding that much more fill material right near the stream is frowned upon.  It’s be a lot of fill, and moreover would widen the roadbed fill substantially.

We are currently studying an option which would allow us to lower the track height 18” from that shown, while maintaining our foot of clearance above floodplain.  If we can accomplish this, the retaining wall can be nearly eliminated (some will he needed right at the pile abutments).

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: John Kokas on January 14, 2018, 01:01:21 PM
Thanks Jason for the detailed explanation of the bridge situation.  IMHO it will be best to maintain the higher elevation for the following reason.  As we have found in eastern PA, we are having more than average 100+ year floods.  Some is due to storms themselves but much is due to development and associated runoff.  Thus the Army Corps is reevaluating its criteria and expanding the floodplain mapping.  Planning over the long term, one cannot determine how much development may occur in the future and how it will effect stream flows.  In essence, better safe than sorry ................
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 01:35:19 PM
This was no where near the 100 year high, but was more likely close to the annual high. I was glad to see this on person, because there are other factors in the immediate area that would cause the water to go even higher. The road bridge, for instance, was approximately 2 feet above the water. While on site, I figured our bridge would also have the same clearance.

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 14, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
Ok I see now that yesterday’s water made it above the high water line.  Mikes picture of the highway bridge made me look again.  Makes me wish I’d gone up yesterday afternoon.

Note the bottom of the bridge is roughly level w the current ground level (maybe 4” lower).  That indicates the clearance we’d have. 

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 14, 2018, 02:02:26 PM
Another, perhaps unanticipated, benefit of raising the track and the bridge would be that the southbound approach, depending on the length of the runoff, would give southbound trains a bit of a boost to get a "run" toward the steep southbound grade.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 02:08:45 PM
Looking at the National Weather Service, precipitation total for Wiscasset for this storm was 2.14 inches. This, added to the fact that the brook was covered with ice, led to ice jams and slow water flow.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 14, 2018, 03:29:05 PM
So, how long will tree clearing be delayed, due to the rain and warmer weather?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Fred Morse on January 14, 2018, 05:38:04 PM
I think they will be cutting Tues., let's hope! Weds. it's supposed to snow.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 14, 2018, 05:49:07 PM
Yes, cutting Tuesday!!  Please join us if you can!

Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Gordon Cook on January 14, 2018, 06:30:49 PM
Thanks for the complete and interesting explanation. The map helps a lot to understand the distances.

The pics are a stark example of the serious nature of this job and how that lazy and shallow brook we all have seen in the summer can change dramatically.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
Tree cutting on Tuesday will be going down the mountain. If I can make it, I want to burn the pile of brush at Trout Brook, which I will need no or minimal help for. I would like to wait for snow cover again before tree removal continues at the brook.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 14, 2018, 08:14:34 PM
Looking at the latest drawing for the bridge, I noticed the grade is flat across the bridge.  Does the climb up the mountain start just south of the bridge?  Or does it flatten out for the bridge?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Joe Fox on January 14, 2018, 10:05:02 PM
The uphill climb starts off extremely easy, and is less than 1% for quite a ways. I suspect the only real 3% grade will be at the last 1,000' of the climb. From walks, and looking at Val maps, the grade slowly gets steeper and steeper the further south you go. As best as I can guess right now, there is about 1900' of 2% and steeper grade.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 10:42:21 PM
Check the Mountain Thread for the grade discussion
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on January 14, 2018, 11:09:03 PM
If my vote counts - keep it high.
The Hundred Year Floods seem to be coming every 10 to 12 years around here.

Though not exactly historically accurate - to alleviate fill and retaining walls - could the approaches
be on pile trestles? 2 to 3 foot high? Use concrete posts  to cut down maintenance, stained brown.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 16, 2018, 11:42:21 PM
We had 2 seperate crews working today. Fred and I burned all the brush at Trout Brook, While Jason, Randy, Steve L, Steve Z, JB, and Eric S cut their way down the mountain. Jason was excited, as each tree revealed more and more of the beauty that the Narrow Gauge is all about. Curves and cuts. Anyway. Look at the photo series I took.

Lets start at Trout Brook. Please note, the blue can is further away from the fire than appears..

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Down the Mountain (or up from Fred and I..)

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Fossel Access Rd Looking North

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WW&F Property Line looking North, Steve L. on the left.


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Looking at Location 2, Jason on the left and Eric is in the orange chaps.

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Location 2 had some flow during the last rain event, and froze to the trees.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0116181428_Burst01_zpswfo7hp0t.jpg)
Location 3 looking South

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0116181425_zpsxkbyvtqt.jpg)
The Slide, Location 4, looking South, Jason and Randy working in the distance

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Location 5 (Orange stake at right) looking North

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Location 6 "the Pinch Point" looking South

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Standing on Location 7 looking North at Location 8 (bright spot in the snow)

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Looking South at Location 8

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Looking North from the above photo at Locations 9 & 10. Last curve to the bridge is in the distance.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 17, 2018, 01:33:33 AM
Once completed, this is going to be a spectacular section of narrow gauge.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 17, 2018, 02:11:27 AM
I love looking at the grade with that amount of snow cover. Details show up very well.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Fred Morse on January 17, 2018, 09:05:22 AM
Very good photo tour.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: John Kokas on January 17, 2018, 10:19:50 AM
I think we're going to need that sawmill sooner rather than later.   ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 17, 2018, 02:14:20 PM
The part of the eventual ride down the mountain will become one of the most picturesque of our line.  I love the look down thru the trees.  The land being surrounded by the conservation area ensures that it will remain so.  That portion, along with the Moose Trout Brook Bridge will become, like the Hummason Brook Trestle and the cockeyed curve will become the most enjoyed and most photographed portions of our line.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 17, 2018, 02:23:22 PM
Agreed. This will be a very scenic portion of the ride. Thanks for the photos.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 24, 2018, 10:35:23 PM
Jasons pictures from today,
in no particular order..

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 24, 2018, 10:48:43 PM
I only meant to send one picture of Steve Zuppa sitting on that stump-  not two.  Sorry, Steve!

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: John Kokas on January 24, 2018, 11:03:19 PM
Steve out on the stump????  When did he decide to run for political office ??????    :o
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 24, 2018, 11:24:14 PM
He's keeping it warm for Fred.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 24, 2018, 11:56:42 PM
Astounding amount of organized Clearing and Grubbing!
Better slow down or you'll run out of trees!  ;D
Very well done.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 25, 2018, 04:32:16 AM
If you think you have run out of trees, call Fred! He can always find a few more trees to cut!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Ken Fleming on January 25, 2018, 06:07:51 AM
By Spring, we should have a good start on a log yard at the future saw mill site.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: John Kokas on January 25, 2018, 10:14:39 AM
Starting to look good there guys and lots of future lumber for the sawmill (wishful thinking).  Glad to see so many Stihl chainsaws on site.  Have used many different types over the years and they are the best IMHO.  I'm currently on my 3rd Farm Boss here at home.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Fred Morse on January 25, 2018, 12:01:17 PM
I sat on that stump also. Just took a walk down to see how they were doing. Just a couple of hundred feet left when they get the permit. If it's good next Sat. the crew will work North of the brook.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: James Patten on January 25, 2018, 12:01:42 PM
Actually the Official Museum Chainsaw (tm) is Husqvarna.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 25, 2018, 02:20:57 PM
Is Fred the museum spokesman for Husqvarna? ;D

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Fred Morse on January 25, 2018, 02:24:48 PM
Jeff, I bet you would like to be here when were cutting brush!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Dave Crow on January 25, 2018, 04:08:58 PM
Maybe I'm lazy or just can't follow all of the tree clearing progress easily, but would it be possible to show on the Mountain Extension map the extent of the tree clearing so far?

Thanks in advance,
Dave Crow
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 25, 2018, 04:52:39 PM
Here's the map (also found in the Nov/Dec 2017 Newsletter.)
(http://wwfry.org/pics/MountainExtensionSectionMapLowRes.jpg)


Track ends at Location 1; the tree that was blocking the ROW just south of Location 1 was removed on 1/20/18, then skidded out using #9.

Trees have been (or are being) cleared from Locations 1 to 4 and Location 8. We are waiting to remove trees at Location 6 (Section 3) due to permitting. Trees have also been cleared at Locations 13-17.

Goal for spring/summer: Repair ROW up to Location 9.
Goal for Fall Work Weekend: Lay track up to Location 9 (1300 feet from Location 1).

Mike or Jason can offer corrections/comments.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 25, 2018, 06:00:12 PM
Right on Ed.

Track laying will be the big push, so we are going to try a few ideas to aid in the laying.

First, a new method for moving and laying rail is being planned. It is a work in progress, so I hope the planners try it out before use this fall.

Second, and this may just be about the best improvement, but has been done before. We will pre stage ties. Stacks of 30, every 60 feet. This will enable us to use our help steadily, with less down time as the car is reloaded. We will also place spikes, joint bars and bolts near these piles, so everything is there as we go along.

And lastly. The new rail distribution will be with heavier equipment, so new "insta-track" braces will be made. This will allow steady northward progess, and a spiking crew can follow along.

1200 feet may seem like a lot, but, 300 feet a day using the old way was not uncommon.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 25, 2018, 08:58:09 PM
Jeff, I bet you would like to be here when were cutting brush!

Fred,

I'm not to be trusted with a chainsaw. :o

Jeff
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 25, 2018, 09:01:53 PM
Here's the map (also found in the Nov/Dec 2017 Newsletter.)
(http://wwfry.org/pics/MountainExtensionSectionMapLowRes.jpg)


Track ends at Location 1; the tree that was blocking the ROW just south of Location 1 was removed on 1/20/18, then skidded out using #9.

Trees have been (or are being) cleared from Locations 1 to 4 and Location 8. We are waiting to remove trees at Location 6 (Section 3) due to permitting. Trees have also been cleared at Locations 13-17.

Goal for spring/summer: Repair ROW up to Location 9.
Goal for Fall Work Weekend: Lay track up to Location 9 (1300 feet from Location 1).

Mike or Jason can offer corrections/comments.

What will it take to repair the ROW at location 4, the slide? Also, any particular ROW work planned for SWW?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 25, 2018, 09:52:38 PM
Mike Fox wrote:
Location 4 is getting repaired by our local contractor. Gravel fill faced with stone, like the big fill at location 1 was.   

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 25, 2018, 11:54:36 PM
1200 feet may seem like a lot, but, 300 feet a day using the old way was not uncommon.

Which leads to the question:  What is our record for track laying on a work weekend?

I have two guesses:
-- Fall 2001, when we laid the main line between Sheepscot Mills to and across Humason Brook; or
-- Two years later, when we laid the track from Trask's Crossing to Alna Center.

OK, I just cheated, and looked at the old newsletters posted on the forum.  50+ volunteers laid about 1,350 feet of track in October 2001; and not quite 1,300 feet with 60+ volunteers during the 2003 fall work weekend. 

So 1,200 feet this fall sounds very reasonable.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 26, 2018, 12:26:15 AM
It would be nice if, particularly in Section 3, some of the low branches and small trees down to the creek were removed to open up the view of the stream for passengers. Maybe not this winter, but next winter for sure...... Ever since the first time I walked this section, I've admired the view of the stream from there.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on January 26, 2018, 01:29:53 AM
We may be able trim some branches, but that is a shoreland area and we can do very little. We could remove downed deadwood to improve that, but very limited small vegitation can be cut. There is a spot between location 8 and 9 that is out of the shoreland that can be limbed, and that area is very scenic.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Dave Crow on January 26, 2018, 01:51:07 PM
Ed,

Thanks for posting the map and summarizing the cutting locations.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 13, 2018, 01:57:33 PM
Saturday Mountain Extension Work Plan:

We have gotten permission from the DEP to clear trees from the permitted Section 3 "Pinch Point" area!  This will be done, along with burning as much of that new slash, and old slash remaining from prior clearing on Section 4.

Mike will drive up first thing in the AM.

Diesel work train with one coach will depart SS 8:30AM.  Volunteers who want to help with cutting and burning are encouraged to ride this train, however feel free to ride a later public train up to the action. 

Steam passenger trains will begin running at 10AM with two coaches.  They will run at least hourly, last train leaving SS at 2PM.

There will be a caboose set up at ToM with heat, hot chocolate, and Steve P to host the public.

Should be a good shin-dig, we hope to see you!!

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on February 13, 2018, 02:04:12 PM
It has been mentioned before, but don't wear your Sunday best near the brushpiles.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 13, 2018, 05:35:16 PM
Hi Folks,

To help us get us started on the right foot this Saturday I'll be cooking up a breakfast of eggs, biscuits, meats, and fruit along with coffee and tea to wash it all down. I'll make eggs to order, but if you want poached, you might be on your own. I'll have breakfast up starting at 7:30 and will be clearing up at 8:15 before the work train departs.

See you there,
Steve
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on February 17, 2018, 11:47:07 PM
First things first. I would like to say a big thank you to all that came and helped today. It was a great time. I cut down 95% of the trees that were cut down, and after we got a good rhythm going, the tree would hit the ground, and two more saws (thanks Jay and Stewart) would work the top up while I worked up from the butt. Steve Z was up early, cut a few trees and the walking was getting to his knees. Fred came up, wanted to know why we didn't have two fires going, and left I think with Steve, probably right after we lit the second pile.
So, get to the photos you say...ok

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181130a_zpsvspeslwj.jpg)
Looking South at second burn pile

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181144_zpspslrcwvm.jpg)
Looking North, across location 6, at second burn pile

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181357_Burst01_zps2wsdgqwo.jpg)
Looking south, halfway between between location 7 & 8

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181357_zpsx1n8kd5e.jpg)
Zoomed in on Bob Cavanaugh

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181403_zpsybskx0pk.jpg)
Looking North from halfway between location 4 & 5, Dwight walking toward the second pile

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181403a_zpsb5v1uoap.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181403c_zpsaupyc5d4.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bob Holmes on February 18, 2018, 12:44:42 AM
DID YOU KNOW?:  That a well organized WW&F volunteer crew can make a substantial tree disappear (from initial cut to stacking/burning) in UNDER five minutes?

Remarkable!

Also, there were at least 40 snow-chasing visitors today coming to the railroad to hike/snowshoe.  Lots of little kids enjoying the experience.  A very successful snow weekend!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 18, 2018, 12:55:30 AM
Paid passenger count was 74... we’re very pleased with our first winter service offering.  More details will come...

Cutting crew did fabulous.  The combined work/ public event blended nicely and made for a great festive atmosphere.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 18, 2018, 12:59:49 AM
As I said when this was first announced, this was a brilliant idea. I'm sure it will grow if it's done again.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on February 18, 2018, 01:03:58 AM
We were too far away from the train to get many visitors, so we had no idea how many guests were around. The ones that did make the trek to us were very interested in what we were doing and why.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bill Reidy on February 18, 2018, 03:13:52 AM
Paid passenger count was 74... we’re very pleased with our first winter service offering.  More details will come...

I was very impressed with how today went.  Like Mike, I was mainly on the Mountain Extension today with tree cutting and burning, so only had a chance to talk with a couple of families there, but they were greatly enjoying the event.  I did have some time near the end of the day at Top of Mountain to talk with visitors as we picked up coach #8 for the trip back to Sheepscot.  They also had a great time.

Nice, nice job done by Steve P., Jason and everyone who made today's public event happen.  And thank you, Cindy, for the nice lunch for the tree cutting crew.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on February 18, 2018, 10:11:36 PM
Mike
Thanks for adding location numbers
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on February 18, 2018, 10:27:47 PM
I know the map is available for reference, so I figured it will help with knowing where we are.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Bob Holmes on February 19, 2018, 12:07:16 AM
Agree Mike.  Whenever we are doing work on the Mtn Extension, map numbers should be included on postings to the Forum.  It really helps orient us, even if we are not there in person.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 19, 2018, 01:57:57 AM
Second that.
Clearing and grubbing the entire ROW to 218 looks close to done. Outstanding!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Fred Morse on February 19, 2018, 01:00:17 PM
We're not all done yet. Mike hauled a lot of hardwood trees out near 218 at the North end that has to be cut into firebox length and hauled back to Sheepscot as well as some soft wood to give away. Might take 2 or 3 Sats. to do it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Dwight Winkley on February 19, 2018, 08:28:04 PM
Hi Paul, Entire ROW to 218 is far from being complete as far as cutting the tree's.

Form the south headed north, Section 4 up to location 9 is complete. Plus a very short distance more. Location 9 is the end of planned track work during Fall Work Weekend.  We  stop putting brush to the fire's around 2PM. This is to give the fire's time to burn down before we leave around 4PM. This year we continued to cut tree's and brush past 2PM, so we have many brush piles still waiting to be burned. Both on the south and north ends of the ROW.

Section 6 Location 9 to Section 6 location 13 (trout brook) have not been cleared.  Just a short distance at Location 13, the south side of Trout Brook has been cleared   for work on the south bridge abutment.

All tree's and brush has been cleared in section 7, Bridge site to 218.

We can only burn when ground is covered with snow. During 2017 by the end of February  there was no snow.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 19, 2018, 10:12:29 PM
Many thanx for the details, Dwight. 
I'll follow and note dis woik on my map copy, as I usually do.
It's all good!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Dave Crow on February 19, 2018, 10:39:03 PM
Mike, do all the stumps on the shoulders of the roadbed get pulled, or will they be left to rot on their own?  I assume there is plenty of clearance to the dynamic envelope of the train from all remaining trees along the right-of-way?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension Tree Clearing
Post by: Mike Fox on February 20, 2018, 12:03:25 AM
Hi Dave. Only going to remove what is necessary to prep the roadbed. Most of the rest are going to be cut flush with the ground and let them rot in place..or at least that is my intention. It all depends if we get to it or not..

Should be plenty of clearance for the train. If anything is close, we can always cut them later.