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Title: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 06, 2017, 11:12:41 PM
Thank you for your explanations. I'm not only a newcomer to the WW&F but to a discussion forum as well. Hoboes were part of the railroad in the thirties  quite a lot of songs were written and movies shot about their lives .Maybe there were any that rode the trains  of the WW&F Railroad before it was closed down. I guess you don't have any hobo on your trains now.
In Pithiviers every passenger buys their old style tickets at the station window before boarding the train and during the return journey the conductor ask for the tickets "Controle des billets s'il vous plait !" and punch them. It's part of the the"folklore" and I have never found a faredogger. Kids love that and me too.  Does the conductor punch the  tickets on the train during the journey ?
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: John McNamara on December 07, 2017, 12:36:10 AM
Does the conductor punch the  tickets on the train during the journey ?
Yes, we do, using real railway ticket punches. The ticket stock is a reproduction of the original WW&F Railway ticket stock, which not only adds to the authenticity, but also provides a souvenir.
-John M
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 08, 2017, 03:35:31 PM
Does the conductor punch the  tickets on the train during the journey ?
Yes, we do, using real railway ticket punches. The ticket stock is a reproduction of the original WW&F Railway ticket stock, which not only adds to the authenticity, but also provides a souvenir.
-John M
At the AMTP in Pithiviers we use small rectangular cardboard tickets marked A.M.T.P. that are much like those  used  by S.N.C.F. (the French national railroad company) until the late seventies. They are made in Switzerland and cost a lot but w'll go  on buying them because out here they also provide a souvenir. By the way what is the job of the conductor on your trains?  And when there are several trains on the main how are their runs scheduled. Who is in charge of the safety of the train running ? Is your Rule Book mandatory?
I'm interested in railroad rules and regulations because I'm the co-writter of the A.M.T.P. Rule Book that is mandatory in France.

Picsous Alain Delassus
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: James Patten on December 08, 2017, 04:39:09 PM
The Conductor is in charge of the train, and tells the engine crew when it's time to leave the station, where they are going, any issues that he might know about on the way ("work crew at Milepost 6").  For our normal operations we have the primary "first class" train, and a secondary "second class" train which is usually the Model T railcar.  They meet at Alna Center.

For complicated days, such as the upcoming Victorian Christmas, we'll have a dispatcher who's job it is to keep track of where everything is.  We'll be running two trains, although only one out on the line at any time.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on December 08, 2017, 08:56:22 PM
I should mention that our regular runs operate by timetable authority. Other trains outside of regular operations are either self dispatched (if the only train operating) or dispatched by a dispatcher.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 10, 2017, 06:11:30 PM
At the AMTP two westbound trains and an eastbound train can run on the main at the same time . The eastbound one is switching into a  passing siding called Les Carrières located around half way between Pithiviers and the end station Bellébat to wait for the two westbound trains that follow each other by 5 minutes. The engine crew and the conductors are informed of the mouvements of the trains by the dispatcher before pulling away from the station or by phone. When possible they are given writting orders. Of course there is a yearly schedule valid for sundays and legal holidays and mostly there is only one train on the main. But when a big event takes place like a Steam Festival a special schedule is set up  and it's a lot of fun for everybody.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 10, 2017, 11:44:23 PM
Alain, what is the total length (km or miles) of the AMTP?
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 10, 2017, 11:53:02 PM
Here's a little clip from YouTube of the railway at Pithiviers. From what I can find on-line, the railway is about 4 kilometers, or 2.5 miles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-bIIrDgWY8
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 11, 2017, 02:32:54 AM
That's quite a collection of locomotives. I particularly like the little diesel.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 11, 2017, 06:35:16 PM
 Correct the line is for the moment as long as yours but it 'll never be extended while you guys you'll reach Albion some day for sure .  The line goes through a well known area called "La Beauce" that looks like the Midwest  flat,  grain and sugarbeet fieds as far as the eyes can see  big farms  and lonely small communities   giant electricity pylones and grain elevators and for ten years wind power mills.There are quite a lot of interesting movies about le chemin de fer de Pithiviers on You Tube  and the association has fb too.

Picsou-Alain Delassus

Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 12, 2017, 02:53:35 PM
Hi !
The AMTP's locomotive stock consists of 5 steam locomotives two diesel locomotives and a small one that looks a bit like the Brookville and a rail car.
   Steam locomotives are #4 (brown) a 080 by Henschel  in 1917 10.5 net tons .  #5 (blue) a 060 by Blanc Misseron in 1902  11 net tons .  #9 (red) a 260 by La Meuse in 1938 14.3 net tons.   #10( green for the moment) a 062 by Decauville in 1902 10.5 net tons and #12 (black) by Ateliers du nord de la France (ANF) in 1945 21 net tons. Unfortunately they are seldom up and running at the same time. Currently only #4 and #9 are in running order . Next year in May #10 will join them.  #5 and 10 are  waiting for a general overhaul and the thorough checking and test of their boilers by the local bureau of the Industry Departement that is compulsory every 10 years out here.
  Diesel side now #T11 ( grey and red ) that you can see switching on the  Youtube movie a 060 plus a driving axle by Gmeinder in 1944 17.6 net tons.  #15 (orange and brown) a 040 by Gmeinder 9 net tons and # T14 (green) a 040 by Campagne  in 1924 only 1.65 net tons but very servicable. They are all in running order.
  And to finish with the railcar  #AT1  a 040 by Crochat in 1922 5.50 net tons a one of a kind in running order.
All the steam locomotives and the railcar are listed as Monument Historique. When there is a special event ( twice a year) there often are guest steam locomotives from other two footer.
By the way the maximum steam pressure in the boiler of  your "sweet" #9 is 140 PSI  I'd like to know if it was the same  pressure when it was built in1891 or if it is the mandated pressure required by the authority that checks the boiler. Out here the maximum  steam pressure is 176.5 PSI (12 bars).
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Bernie Perch on December 12, 2017, 09:40:57 PM
Alain,

Could you tell us about the railroad?  I Google mapped it and traveled the whole length from the terminal to the loop.  What is that loop area all about?  It is a spot of trees in the middle of fields.  Was it something else before this became a heritage line?  Was the line longer at one time? Were there branch lines?  Is there a map of the line if it was longer?  What was it built to serve?

Bernie Perch
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 13, 2017, 05:26:23 PM
Hi !
The AMTP's locomotive stock consists of 5 steam locomotives two diesel locomotives and a small one that looks a bit like the Brookville and a rail car.
   Steam locomotives are #4 (brown) a 080 by Henschel  in 1917 10.5 net tons .  #5 (blue) a 060 by Blanc Misseron in 1902  11 net tons .  #9 (red) a 260 by La Meuse in 1938 14.3 net tons.   #10( green for the moment) a 062 by Decauville in 1902 10.5 net tons and #12 (black) by Ateliers du nord de la France (ANF) in 1945 21 net tons. Unfortunately they are seldom up and running at the same time. Currently only #4 and #9 are in running order . Next year in May #10 will join them.  #5 and 10 are  waiting for a general overhaul and the thorough checking and test of their boilers by the local bureau of the Industry Departement that is compulsory every 10 years out here.
  Diesel side now #T11 ( grey and red ) that you can see switching on the  Youtube movie a 060 plus a driving axle by Gmeinder in 1944 17.6 net tons.  #15 (orange and brown) a 040 by Gmeinder 9 net tons and # T14 (green) a 040 by Campagne  in 1924 only 1.65 net tons but very servicable. They are all in running order.
  And to finish with the railcar  #AT1  a 040 by Crochat in 1922 5.50 net tons a one of a kind in running order.
All the steam locomotives and the railcar are listed as Monument Historique. When there is a special event ( twice a year) there often are guest steam locomotives from other two footer.
By the way the maximum steam pressure in the boiler of  your "sweet" #9 is 140 PSI  I'd like to know if it was the same  pressure when it was built in1891 or if it is the mandated pressure required by the authority that checks the boiler. Out here the maximum  steam pressure is 176.5 PSI (12 bars).

Erratum... Some Latin now for achange. Well #12 was actually builded by Société Franco Belge de Matériel de Chemin  de Fer . It's  a powerful locomotive 320 HP able to haul a 165 net tons train on a 2.3 % grade .It features a superheater and a generator that looks like the one of your #9. Easy to stoke up and interesting to drive It was the one I like the best.

Picsous Alain Delassus
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Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: John L Dobson on December 14, 2017, 11:33:54 PM
Alain,

Could you tell us about the railroad?  I Google mapped it and traveled the whole length from the terminal to the loop.  What is that loop area all about?  It is a spot of trees in the middle of fields.  Was it something else before this became a heritage line?  Was the line longer at one time? Were there branch lines?  Is there a map of the line if it was longer?  What was it built to serve?

Bernie Perch

The AMPT is a remnant of a much larger system (the TPT) that closed as a commercial business in 1964. It was an extensive agricultural light railway, constructed (I believe) around 1920 using locomotives and rolling stock from the military light railways used by both sides to serve the trenches during WW1. It used equipment from both sides. The major traffic was sugar beet, but it also carried other agricultural products. The Ffestiniog Railway's Alco 2-6-2T Mountaineer worked here for many years as TPT No.3-23, before being bought by an FR supporter after the TPT closed.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 16, 2017, 05:25:28 PM
Hi Bernie and John,

 Thank you for being interested in that French two footer . I'll soon tell you more about the line and the loop . In the meantime you can log onto Wikipédia Tramway de Pithiviers à Toury and the AMTP web site amtp-cfpithiviers.comwww. oramtp-pithiviers.wifeo.com (http://amtp-pithiviers.wifeo.com) to learn more about the  line builded  by the Decauville company in 1892 and the beginnings of the very first French volunteer-run scenic railroad in 1966.

See you soon.
 amtp-cfpithiviers.com (http://amtp-cfpithiviers.com)
Picsous-Alain Delassus
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 16, 2017, 05:30:23 PM
Sorry have trouble inserting hyperlink. I'm gonna try again let's hope it works out

amtp-cfpithiviers.com (http://amtp-cfpithiviers.com)
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Bernie Perch on December 17, 2017, 03:12:15 AM
Alain,

Thank you for the information.  I went to the two areas you recommended and learned more.  Unfortunately I could only appreciate the photos at the web site because I cannot speak or understand French.  I am looking forward to any more information.

Bernie
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 17, 2017, 04:28:08 AM
Oui.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 23, 2017, 12:49:32 PM
Hi!
I don't forget you but I'm a bit busy these days around. In January I'm gonna start to tell you the story of the A.M.T.P and of course the one of the Tramway de Pithiviers à Toury( T.P.T.) well known as the Decau  for Decauville the company that started it up in1892.

Happy Holydays !
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: John Kokas on December 25, 2017, 02:38:35 AM
Joyeux Noel !
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 30, 2017, 01:24:24 PM
Hi John,

Merci et Joyeux Réveillon du Jour de L'An!
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 01, 2018, 05:22:35 PM
Hi folks,
Well, at the bottom of all this I mean AMTP there were the TPT (Tramway de Pithiviers à Toury)and two for non profit organisations  called FACS (fédération des amis des chemins de fer secondaires) and AMTUIR ( association du musée des transports urbains et inter-urbains ). Google them for further information.
The TPT closed down in December 1964 after the last sugarbeets campaign and the main and branch lines  started to be dismantled.
But a few members of those both non for profit associations that often came in Pithiviers to watch and took photos of this endearing two-footer decided on saving a part of it. They got in touch with the  Loiret branch of the French National Department of Bridges and Roads ( Administration des ponts et chaussées) that ran the TPT. and the "Préfet" of the Loiret . After quite a lot of meetings  and mails and the funding of the AMTP in January 1966 the" Département du Loiret " gave to the AMTP 2miles of the main line from Pithiviers on, the TPT railroad facilities in that town, 2 steam locomotives , a rail car and a few freight cars.
I'll go on telling  you the AMTP story  soon.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 19, 2018, 06:08:37 AM
Hi folks.
I don't forget you. I've been far away from home for a while enjoying both dramatic volcanoes and a now famous false alarm.   I'm leaving for northern France. I'll continue the AMTP story as soon I'm back you can bank on it. By the way don't hesitate to visit my fb Alain Delassus alias Uncle Scrooge there are quite a lot of pics about the AMTP. I guess you'll find it easily.
See you soon !
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 15, 2018, 05:06:44 PM
It's hight time I went on giving you further information about the AMTP. Actually contrary to the WW&F Ry museum the association does not own any land or building. All the facilities in Pithiviers belong to the SNCF the French nationnal RR company the AMTP has signed a lease with. The main line belongs to the Departement du Loiret and at the far end of the main the loop has been built on a land that  is owned and shared by several villages.The AMTP does not pay any rent for the main and the loop. In 1966 the end of the line was at the roadside where there was a cross over  built by the TPT in the middle of nowhere .
In 1971 the line was extended to a sizeable clump of trees and a land  away from the road that belonged to the AMTP  a cross over a siding and an american triangle to turn the locomotive were built. In 1996  the clump and the land were sold to the  community of villages that had purchased a large land close to the AMTP facilities.
Finally in 1995 and 1996  the loop was built on the land owned by the community of villages  and a station as well.  As for the TPT  right of way it went on to Toury along the road.
By the way if you want to see a nice pic of the WW&F  log on to the AMTP website https://www.amtp-cfpithiviers.com/ (https://www.amtp-cfpithiviers.com/) click on infos pratiques then on autres réseaux.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Gary Kraske on February 16, 2018, 12:10:50 AM
Alain:  Sorry I tried your link but Verizon/aol could not recognize it.  Suggestions?
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 16, 2018, 12:14:53 AM
I fixed Alain's link.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Gary Kraske on February 16, 2018, 05:30:17 AM
Alain: Thank you so much for the WWFRy posting on your site.  My wife took 4 years of French back in high school.  I'm looking forward to having her refresh her language by reading your site to me!   
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 16, 2018, 07:49:24 AM
I fixed Alain's link.
Thank you so much Ed.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 16, 2018, 01:27:03 PM
Alain: Thank you so much for the WWFRy posting on your site.  My wife took 4 years of French back in high school.  I'm looking forward to having her refresh her language by reading your site to me!
Hi Gary
Thank you for logging on to the AMTP website kindly fixed up by Ed. If your wife needs help to translate anything let me know it'll be a treat for me to assist her. Where are you from Gary and why did you join the WW&F ? If you want to know more about me you can read the Who am I section in the General Discussion chapter  of this forum. Then you can log on to my fb page Alain Delassus /Uncle Scrooge where you can see quite a lot of photos of that French two-footer and   to its fb page Musée des transports de Pithiviers.
Have a nice week end.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Kyle Irving on February 16, 2018, 01:35:33 PM
Nice to see you on here Alain. Will we need to start a French language section of the forum soon?!

A few years ago, two fellow volunteers from the steam programme at Exporail and I got to tour around France to see various narrow gauge steam railways and explore their training systems for volunteers. At the airport we rented a lovely 6 speed manual diesel car and set off. It was a fascinating (and delicious!) trip.

We had arranged to stop in at Pithiviers and were greeted very warmly. We got a nice tour of their museum, shops, and, of course, took a trip down the line.

The railway will stay anchored in my mind for owning the loco which won the "loco we'd most like to take home" prize: a little ex-industrial shunter originally used inside a factory, which was bought by the association in pieces, including the original all-copper boiler and restored. It's a tiny little loco, designed for one man driving, though it's much smaller than even a quarry Hunslet. You can find a picture here about halfway down the page.  Look for the Schneider, built 1870.
http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/trains/france03.htm

All the best!
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Gary Kraske on February 16, 2018, 08:14:29 PM
Hi Gary
Thank you for logging on to the AMTP website kindly fixed up by Ed. If your wife needs help to translate anything let me know it'll be a treat for me to assist her. Where are you from Gary and why did you join the WW&F ? If you want to know more about me you can read the Who am I section in the General Discussion chapter  of this forum. Then you can log on to my fb page Alain Delassus /Uncle Scrooge where you can see quite a lot of photos of that French two-footer and   to its fb page Musée des transports de Pithiviers.
Have a nice week end.
Hi Alain, my wife, Barbara, and I are life members at WWFRy and followed it for a while and saw the intensity and drive of the members and so joined and have supported same.  We were also impressed by their business plans and their follow through of the same.    I was from Maine originally and grew up with trains and have lived in Maryland since 1960.  Since 2015 I've been limited in my ability to get around and my activities.  Best to you and look forward to perusing your sites.  Thank you.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 17, 2018, 06:44:12 PM
Hi Kyle,
Thanks for your kind words about  the AMTP. Can you remember the very day you came to Pithiviers maybe we met then. Thank you for the photos as well. On Septmber 9th 2013 I was the conductor and I had a trainee with me. On October 6th 2002 I was at the #9 throttle. I'll soon give you good news of the #2 Schneider.. Best regards.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 20, 2018, 06:16:23 PM
Hi folks.
Glad you are interested in the AMTP. If the association does'nt own its facilities, see previous posts, it owns the whole rolling stock  the operating one and the one  displayed in the museum. Among the operating rolling stock there is the steam locomotive  # 2 built in 1870 that it is the oldest two-foot locomotive in running order that still exists in France and maybe in Europe .It was lent to the AMTP in 1969 then eventually purchased. In 1992 it was fit with a new boiler and had been used since then when special events coupled to a small four seat car. It was very popular.
But due to worn out wheel treads and piston sheets it was sent last Fall to a  repair shop in southern France that  discovered  when testing the boiler a few leaking  tubes. The wheel treads and the piston sheets has been fixed up but as regards the tubes  the AMTP is waiting for a  via grant from the Departement of Culture to change all the  boiler tubes given the expense . Fortunately the locomotive is listed. Anyway the locomotive  will be in running order in 2020 to celebrate its 150th birthday during a special event.
 
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 25, 2018, 04:22:09 PM
I've read the Humasonbrook tresle was rebuilt by  USMC soldiers as a training in 2001. Funnyly enough the loop at Bellébat the AMTP end station was built in 1995 by French Engineers Corps soldiers as a training too.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 04, 2018, 03:59:55 PM
Hi everybody.

I'll go on giving you some information about the  AMTP. It's about time I told you about the association itself the membership and a bit about funding.
 The association is of course a non profit one its bylaws comply with the 1901's French Law Loi de 1901. The general meeting votes the members of the board of directors that decide the association policy and goals and vote 3 officers Président Treasurer and Secretary in charge of implementing its decisions and to handle the association on a dayly basis. On the whole it works like on the WW&F.
What is helas quite different than the WW&F is the membership .In the early eighties  around 300 members today only 104 members.... and it goes down year on year. Not that the membership is high 22$ for the volunteers and from 30$ for the others but sad to say generally speaking French people are not keen on the preserving of the technical heritage especially the railroad that  doesn't belong to our French historical heritage unlike the US. Moreover in France the membership or the money you  give to non for profit  associations that run  scenic railroads can't be deducted  from  the income tax you pay. I'm really owed  by the amount of the funds the WW&F raises. Last year the total of our membership and  donations was  only 3021$. On the other hand the association got 40000$ government subsidies to repair a listed steam engine. Typical of France! Next time I'm going to tell you about the volunteers that is a tricky issue out here.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 18, 2018, 04:40:27 PM
Hi everyboby

On the AMTP volunteers are a tricky issue  since there are only 18 of them.. A regular operation day requires 6  volunteers, an engineer, a fireman, a conductor, a station agent in Pithiviers  a bar tender at the buffet car in Bellébat and a sales person in charge of the souvenir booth in the museum. There are 54 or so operation days a year and of course most of the volunteers are not all purpose dare I say it. Only 5 of them are trained steam locomotive engineers. So do the maths! Ever and again it's tough on the guy in charge of the operating volunteers to make the ends meet but until now he has always make it. This situation isn't new out here even in the heyday of the association there were 30 of them at the most. Fortunately the volunteer average age has been  a bit  on the rise for a couple of years like the association leadership as well. When a big event is held on the railroad or in case of important track works  a few volunteers from other scenic railroads come give a hand since the association has for long fostered good relationship with a few other scenic two- footers in France. For that matter we have also exchanged steam locomotives when a Steam Festival is held  on one of them. In the early March the AMTP has launched a campaign on fb and its website to enlist new members and volunteers let's hope it gets any. By the way my favorite quote about volunteers generally speaking is " a volunteer is only paid by the pleasure it takes " . Do you agree with me ?
Next time I'll tell you about the buffet car and the souvenir booth for a change. CU.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 18, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
Hi everyboby

By the way my favorite quote about volunteers generally speaking is " a volunteer is only paid by the pleasure it takes " . Do you agree with me ?


I think all the members at the WW&F would agree with that saying, Alain.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 27, 2018, 03:26:45 PM
Hi you all

Every operating day the buffet car is hooked to the first westbound train. At the end station  Bellébat the buffet car is switched into a siding close to the station building  a few tables and chairs are set up on the shady plateform or inside the station when it's raining. The buffet car is mostly the only entertainement  on the Bellébat site for the riders and it makes it big during the 20 minute lay off. The last eastbound train takes it back to Pithiviers.
So we have mixed trains and riders are often interesting in watching the switching  the conductor leads with his red flag and his whistle.
The buffet car has been around since the line extension to the Bellébat site in 1971. Actually it's an old box car built in the UK for the WW1  it was used to carry wounded soldiers. After the war it ended up on the TPT with a few others and finally on the AMTP in 1966. Last year it was totally refurbished.
Don't hesitate to visit my fb page Alain Delassus Uncle Srooge  every Friday I post photos about the AMTP with short captions in English.  Over the past few weeks I posted two pics of the buffet car.  CU soon !
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 28, 2018, 03:45:11 PM
Erratum a vocabulary one

At Bellébat it's not a 20 minute lay off but  a lay over. I've mixed  it up with stop off. I hope nobody will lay me off for the mistake.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: John McNamara on March 28, 2018, 04:53:55 PM
Hmmm, I can picture it now, a 20-minute layover at TOM while passengers enjoy french bread, wine, and cheese. Vive LeMontagne!

-John
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on April 09, 2018, 04:38:51 PM
Hi John and everybody ! Don't delude yourself about the AMTP buffetcar they only sell soft drink coffe beer and sugar things. It's not the Read Eats in Wiscasset and their lobster sandwich that looks yummy and not that expensive if I don't take into account the cost of the trip to get there .Well, talking of sugar things and chocolate eggs the AMTP made it big Easter week- end with 718 riders altogether for sunday and monday that is a legal holyday in France. It was totally unexpected and amazing. Far more riders than the  past few years Steam Festivals. The train and the railcar were nearly crowded at every round trip. You can see pics on my fb.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 09, 2018, 06:00:58 PM
Congratulations on the large turnout. Alain.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on April 12, 2018, 03:57:51 PM
Thanks Jeff yes a very much unexpected turnout. I'll tell you about the souvenir shop today. The AMTP has been selling souvenirs since the late sixties .At the outset only post cards  at the station then on the trains during the ride between Pithiviers and Bellébat; The conductor toted around  a big shoulder bag full up with booklets  giving  information about the two-footer and its rolling stock, key rings, stickers and a few post cards. and it did work out. Back then given the turnout it was a hell of a job but luckilly  a deputy conductor was mostly on the train . In the very early nineties the BOD decided on building a special wooden counter and set it inside the museum in order to enlarge the items array on sale. Since then René Bury the AMTP most commited volunteer has been sitting behind the counter  every give or take a few operating day selling the items  any tourist railroad sells  nowadays. He is rarely out of work because  a lot of riders  mainly children like  to take away a souvenir of their outing. I'll soon introduce René that has joined the association in 1974 on my fb page.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 13, 2018, 12:02:04 AM
This is definitely a Sister Railroad!  I hope many of us have chance to visit it, and vice versa.

Alain:  when are you coming to the WW&F?
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on April 15, 2018, 01:19:34 PM
Hi  Bob!
Thank you for your kind reply. Of course let me know if any member decided on coming  to  Pithiviers . It would be a treat for me to greet it and show it around the AMTP facilities museum and ride the train with it.
As for me  I would love to go to Alna and meet you all. Maybe one day I'll  go there. Never say never.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on May 03, 2018, 04:11:24 PM
Hi follks !
 Today I'm going to tell you about the museum of the AMTP that means Association du MUSEE des Transports de Pithiviers.The museum is as old as the association (1966). It is located close to Pithiviers station in the  disused  frieghtcar repair shop of the T.P.T.  The museum is rather large, it comprises three bays fit with  standart, three- foot and two foot- gauge tracks. At the back of it there is a large room that was the shop forge and the forge with its implements is still  there. The exhibits are steam locomotives and freight cars of course but quite a lot  of railroad artifacts as well, such as lanterns, caps, uniforms model steam locomotives etc . The museum was not exclusively  dedicated to the two footers let alone the TPT.  Over the past decades you could admire two electric streetcars  a three- foot gauge steam locomotive and loungecar  and a  three foot gauge railcar too . When I started out as a volunteer in 1973 there were even a old bus and a steamroller!    Still there were a few two- foot gauge steam locomotives. In the early 2017 a new and young leadershhip was voted an since then  things  has been changing a lot in the museum that little by little will be dedicated  to the two foot gauge and the TPT history. You can see a few vews of the museum on the AMTP website and fb. CU soon .
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 06, 2018, 03:39:20 PM
Hi Folks !
 Just posted on my fb page  an interesting  but kind of long ( I think so...) video about Bellébat site, lost in the French Midwest and the forth coming event" Bellébat en Fête" and the AMTP annual  Steam Festival . Just posted as well  an invitation on  a trip down" AMTP memory line".  Through  a digitized selection of my slides, I'm gonna show you the  AMTP story from 1973 on. And no biggie ! Most of my pic captions and explanations are both in French and English. By the way ,sorry for my yesterday, today and tomorrow English mistakes. Remember my fb page is Alain Delassus  aka Uncle Scrooge. CU soon!
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: Mike Fox on June 06, 2018, 07:10:08 PM
Alain, don't worry about the mistakes. Some of us have spoken the language all our lives and still can't go without the mistakes. Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 06, 2018, 08:43:24 PM
Thank you Mike it's kind of you.
Title: Re: AMTP in Pithiviers, France
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 21, 2018, 02:27:34 PM
Hi you all !

      Funnily enough, there are two mechanical signals on the AMTP although there was none on the TPT neither on the other French two-footers, I think. Only  three-footers got a few of them. The first one is a danger signal that has been salvage from a  well known French three-footer the chemin de fer du Blanc- Argent that still partly exists nowadays. It's located at the  far end of Pithiviers station and concerns the westbound trains to Bellébat. It is intended to avoid a " cornfield meet" with an on coming eastbound train. When that signal is "on" you can see a square iron plate painted in white and red check that is at right angles to the track. It means STOP and it's an absolute signal of course . When the signal is "off" the iron plate is parallel to the track and  you can't see the painted face and then it means proceed if the go- ahead signal has been  given by the Pithivers station agent. At night the danger signal shows  two red lights when it is "on" and a green one when it is"off". In French such a signal is called "un carré" a square.  I'm going to tell you about the other mechanical signal,  a round one, later on.

      By the way go visit my fb page, every week I post AMTP photos, hopefully you can see those signals,  and follow me  on  the AMTP trip down memory line. Explanations and pic captions  are in English too. See you soon !