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The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 => Original Railway => Topic started by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 27, 2017, 11:17:22 PM

Title: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 27, 2017, 11:17:22 PM
Has anyone ever figured out if there was a "standard" typsetting font that the WW&F used for tickets, timetables, handbills, posters, etc.? If so what is it?
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 27, 2017, 11:40:27 PM
Steve Piwowarski might have some insights on this, Alex.  He and I had some discussions this summer regarding timetable posters and the like.  I've tried as best I can the last several years to replicate the style of the original WW&F for museum timetable posters using desktop publishing, but the fonts popular in the late nineteenth century differ from those readily available today.  And as Steve noted, a digital printout today does not match the look and feel of the product of a nineteenth century printing press.

Steve and Annie recently took a look at the 1888 printing press in use at the Windsor fairgrounds, mentioned in this thread (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3021.msg33095.html#msg33095).
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 28, 2017, 12:09:02 AM
I would be surprised if a relatively low-budget operation such as the WW&F had "standards" for printing fonts.  I would think we would want to use several different fonts depending on what we're doing, especially to try to achieve historical accuracy over different time periods.  Example, posters advertising specific events...

We of course could consider a "standard" font for modern communications such as Facebook, etc.
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 28, 2017, 12:23:44 AM
This document ...

https://www.facebook.com/WWFRailway/posts/10155020457491871 (https://www.facebook.com/WWFRailway/posts/10155020457491871)

the top two lines and most of the rest look like Clarendon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarendon_%28typeface%29). Especially because of the tail on the lowercase "y" and a few other bits. Besley Clarendon (http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/hihretrofonts/besley-clarendon/) seems to be the closest variant font since the tail of the lowercase "y" is tighter to the stem than a lot of the other variants. It is also an 1845 font and was used extensively with railroads....

The only problem is the "IN EFFECT NOVEMBER 11, 1907" looks like a second typeface. A weird tail on the "N"...
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 28, 2017, 01:01:08 AM
So I sent the image off to some font geeks to chew on for a while ...
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: James Patten on October 28, 2017, 01:18:15 AM
Baskerville Old Face is relatively close to it.  I would use that back when I did the public timetables.
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 28, 2017, 01:39:32 AM
I'm not sure if Bill would appreciate being referred to as Old Face...
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 28, 2017, 02:32:32 AM
Well, Bill is fairly old.... oh, that's me.....  I, however, always like the use of Baskerville font. 

Jason put me on to a railroad font that I have used for a few forms that I created for tracking track maintenance.  It is IFC Railroad font.  The one I found only has upper case letters.  If anyone finds one that also contains lower case letters I would be interested.

BIll
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 28, 2017, 09:38:53 AM
IFC Railroad font reasonable matches a promotional pamphlet that the W&Q put out in the 1880’s.  Full of the grandness of building to Quebec.

It doesn’t come standard on MS Word, but several of the font sites have it for free.  Now I get lovely emails from those font sites several times a week...

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 28, 2017, 11:35:15 AM
"Free" websites are like stray cats. You "feed" one, pretty soon there are a dozen at your door. :P

Jeff S.
Title: Re: "standard" font(s) used by WW&F on publications
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on October 28, 2017, 12:57:32 PM
The fact is the fonts were most likely what the printer had on hand. You would probably find the same fonts in work by the same printer done at that time. I have also heard of creating your own fonts on your computer.
Mike Nix