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Title: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 05, 2017, 11:20:44 PM
To make the shop building more functional the museum is putting a concrete floor in the old sections of bays 2 and 3 in the shop building. Alot of work has already gone into cleaning out and moving shelfs, cabinets and benches out of bay 2. Today work started on removing some of he existing gravel floor so the new concrete floor can be poured.

Kubota and tip car at work in bay 2.

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Eric and Steve dumping the tip car over the embankment in the North Yard.

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Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 05, 2017, 11:39:19 PM
There are two strong dudes......
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 06, 2017, 02:54:38 AM
Wow...wasting no time. Good to see MOW Tip Car 1001 doing its job.
Great. Get out the yellow paint, Mike.  ;D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 06, 2017, 12:24:23 PM
Thanks for the photos, Brendan.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 06, 2017, 02:12:42 PM
Tip cars can stay black. Easier to hide them..
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on July 06, 2017, 10:09:50 PM
So that's how tip cars work !!
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 07, 2017, 02:37:11 AM
Work continued today.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74011/IMG_1045.jpg)
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 07, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
So, is there a date set for when the concrete will be poured?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 07, 2017, 02:53:09 PM
Wow...wasting no time. Good to see MOW Tip Car 1001 doing its job.
Great. Get out the yellow paint, Mike.
Tip Car 1001 came from the Ramsdell Farm (along with #9 and the other cars.) Therefore, it has been speculated (I don't think proven) that it is also from the original WW&F. Perhaps it was used on the wharf on the coal dock? At any rate, it came to us black, and black it should stay (unless there is evidence of it being a different color on the original WW&F.)


So, is there a date set for when the concrete will be poured?
My understanding is that they wanted to see how the cleanup and digout process went before setting a date. Given the photos of the progress, I would imagine that decision will be made shortly. 
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 07, 2017, 06:35:39 PM
The floor is scheduled to be poured the week of the 17th.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 10, 2017, 05:53:12 PM
The concrete floor is on hold for a little while. We found some rot in the mudsills holding up the five posts between bays two and three. The present plan is to replace the five exisiting posts and header with two steel beams and one central post on a new concrete footing. Putting up the steel beams and removing four of the existing posts will create more clear working space between bays two and three.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Zuppa on July 10, 2017, 05:59:00 PM
That's what I like about this organization. Doing it right ALWAYS trumps getting it done.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 10, 2017, 06:58:20 PM
Even though this unexpected development (mentioned above by Brendan) will slow down the concrete floor work, the final result should make working in bays 2 and 3 so much easier. Onward!
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 10, 2017, 08:27:18 PM
Exisiting building framing between bays 2 and 3. The post with the green dot will remain and the posts with the yellow dots will be removed. The steel ibeams will be placed under the existing wood header along the light gray line.

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Sketch of the desired changes sent to our civil engineer for review.

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Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 10, 2017, 08:37:05 PM
Lots of nice HARD work to keep us young and HAPPY!!!!
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 10, 2017, 09:36:24 PM
That's what I like about Fred, always a positive attitude toward everything. ;D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 11, 2017, 01:37:21 PM
What are the estimated costs for this reconstruction?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on July 11, 2017, 09:57:45 PM
Will the steel beams be made to look like wood beams so as to maintain the look of the original wooden construction?
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 11, 2017, 10:27:09 PM
Will the steel beams be made to look like wood beams so as to maintain the look of the original wooden construction?

Wood grain contact paper.  Nobody will know the difference.  ;D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 11, 2017, 11:09:37 PM
James...you're a genius!  
Looks like hefty, wide flange (16 inch) steel is spec'd.  Careful not to wipe out the contact paper budget.  ;D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 11, 2017, 11:53:50 PM
The problem with that idea is that the glue does not last very long.  It will start peeling and look awful.  Why not just paint the steel a neutral color and be done with it?
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 12, 2017, 12:16:35 AM
Just thrpw a couple rivets in the beam and about 4 layers of paint and it would look original.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 12, 2017, 12:48:14 AM
Heck, if you're going as far as making rivets why not get structural angle, 2" strip steel and make our own lattice beams.  Those would be consistent with the time period.  (ok folks just kidding) But seriously, why not just have our crew of master carpenters just miter pine board and box the steel in.  One could also run electric down the open channels and have outlets at floor level.  Nice and neat and out of sight.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 13, 2017, 02:47:09 AM
They now make laminated wood beams, very strong, cheaper?, got to be way easier to hang. Why not use those? Who'll notice?
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 13, 2017, 03:10:06 AM
The steel beams being installed will match the ones holding up the shop extension on the south side of the building. To my recollection, no one has ever commented on their appearance.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 13, 2017, 03:17:00 AM
Work continues on the shop building. We have decided to get a complete concrete footer under the wall between bay 3 and the machine shop. The entire wall sits on a mudsill that will be inaccessible once the concrete floor goes in the shop building. The track was removed from bay 2 today and work started on temporary support posts between bays 2 and 3 so footers can be poured under the posts that will support the new steel ibeams.

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Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 13, 2017, 03:33:03 AM
See what happens when ya start out to scrap a couple pieces of bad wood and reinforce the place?
Impressive.
Same thing when I start working on my 1967 abode.  ::)
Really love the pics. Da more da merrier.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 13, 2017, 01:10:06 PM
Out of curiosity, since the rails have been removed, how have the concrete ties held up?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 13, 2017, 02:04:09 PM
Replacement of the mud sills is interesting. The Friends of the East Broad Top have been undertaking similar work on the main shops building at Rockhill Furnace. As far as I know, the original mud sills were laid down when the shops were rebuilt following a major fire in the late 1880's. So they were in the ground for well over 100 years. I guess the size of the logs used for the sills, as well as the species, had a lot to do with their longevity. The Friends have also had to cut off the bottom of some of the posts and splice new pieces in, due to rot. I don't know what type of wood they are using for the new mud sills. I think I would have gone with a concrete base for the posts!
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 14, 2017, 04:00:39 AM
What concrete ties??
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 14, 2017, 12:58:07 PM
Back in 1993, when bays 2 & 3 were laid out, there were home built concrete ties set every so many feet for the track. I should know, as Bruce Wilson and I set the ties. That was my first visit to the WW&F.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on July 14, 2017, 04:13:07 PM
I remember from my first visit in 1990 that there were concrete ties in the original section of bay 1 as well.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 14, 2017, 05:19:50 PM
Most of them are fine. At least one was damaged during removal.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 14, 2017, 07:15:09 PM
Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 31, 2017, 11:28:14 PM
From early afternoon Saturday (July 29th):  Cribbing installation is well underway between bays 2 and 3 of the shop building to support the second floor and roof when posts are removed and steel beams with a new post are installed.

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Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 31, 2017, 11:31:46 PM
And there's Fred sitting down.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 31, 2017, 11:42:06 PM
The BOSS is allowed to sit down..................... ;)
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 31, 2017, 11:56:15 PM
And there's Fred sitting down.


Now, now, now -- I might have a future post related to that, but that will be another day...

Thanks for verifying others can see the photos I posted besides me!
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 01, 2017, 12:58:28 AM
I'm impressed by what youze guys are doing with all that cribbing.
As with many projects, the preps are often as much or more work than the task itself.
Hope setting those couple-ton beam segments goes well.
The more pics the merrier.  ;)
Doing coming slab work should be a snore.  ;D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 05, 2017, 09:28:38 PM
Cribbing set up in bay 2 to hold up the second floor of the shop building.

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Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 05, 2017, 11:25:23 PM
And remember, all those are future ties down the mountain!  We are creative...
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 05, 2017, 11:53:05 PM
Thanks for the pictures B.  Here's a quick recap of today's work:

* The northern most tie cribbing and support timbers were put in place so there's a complete support system to hold the second floor.

* The temporary hoist has been set at the south end of the original Bay 3. This will be used for lifting the I beam in place.

* End cleats were installed on the south I beam and the beam was moved to it's staging area in Bay 3.

* Excavation for the center support post footers was finished and construction of the concrete forms began.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 06, 2017, 12:03:27 AM
No wonder Joe is looking for ties. They are all hidden in the car shop.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 06, 2017, 03:36:13 AM
The place looks absolutely bomb-proof. ;D

Shop work, culvert work, switch work, flange work. Amazing.
BTW, what happened to boxcar 67?
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 06, 2017, 08:45:13 AM
67 is in the car storage building until the shop floor work is complete.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 06, 2017, 03:51:57 PM
I absolutely recommend you shop project guys all wear hard hats , having been saved from severe head injury during C&TS Friends mandatory hardhat summer work in Chama.
During a rider boxcar remodel, a metal chair base was carelessly tossed out a window, knocking me down next to the car like a bowling pin. Damage: a hardhat gouge.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 09, 2017, 02:15:41 AM
The form for the center support posts has been built and the sand for mixing the concrete will be delivered on Weds.  Zack hopes to pour the footer early on Saturday.  Today, as a safety measure hooks and ropes were installed across the north bay 2 & 3 doors to keep visitors out of the construction zone when the doors are open.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 15, 2017, 04:58:18 PM
Some update pictures from Jason.

Steve removing the remains of one on the mudsills that use to run crosswise across the building. Footers are going to be poured in these locations before the new floor goes in to provide support for the posts in the shop wall. This is the wall between bay 4 and the machine shop.

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After the mudsill remains are pulled out. The styrofoam under the mudsills is against the machine shop slab.

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The center and end footers are in for the posts to hold up the steel ibeams.

Center footer

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End footers

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Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 15, 2017, 10:36:06 PM
We installed one of the center support posts today.  It holds no weight because the south post is not yet installed and the staging is still in place.  Stone that will be under the track in bay 3 was cut done to the correct grade today and the excess crushed rock put on the Woods Track.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 18, 2017, 06:53:44 PM
This week:

* West wall post support pockets were dug out this week.  The pockets allow for concrete to be poured under the posts that hold up the west wall of bay 3.

* The south I beam support post was cut, installed and bolted in place.

* Two of the temporary floor support beams have been removed along with their staging.  Excess blocking and staging ties were removed from the building.

* The second I beam was brought over on Weds, the mounting holes were drilled and lifting rings installed on Friday.  The beam has been moved into the north end of bay 3 to stage it for lifting on Saturday.

Next -

* Install the stand-off tabs under the original wooden beam.

* Set the lifting beams and chain falls for the north I beam.  Install guide planks for the lift.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 18, 2017, 10:46:36 PM
Start...Seems much easier and faster for you,  clearer to me, to show pics of each task, with less need for explanation.  ;)
The old 'picture's worth a thousand words' thing.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 20, 2017, 02:17:41 AM
Today -

* The second (north) I beam was lifted in place and both support posts installed under it. After some careful lessening of the tension from the temporary cribbing, the staged supports were removed. The work took 8 hours but the full weight of the second floor is now on the new I beam set.

Pending -

* The center support posts need to be bolted together and lags installed in the north post cap.

* A set of tie-in fish plates will be installed between the two I beams.

* The jenga tie stacks can be removed to continue floor work such as removing the last sub-sills and digging out a track trough in bay 2. 
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 20, 2017, 01:57:04 PM
Any chance there will be a photo of the completed work?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 20, 2017, 04:23:16 PM
Jeff, you can not believe the amount of room in there now. Once the Jenga piles are out of the way, I am sure someone will take a picture.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on August 20, 2017, 04:35:15 PM
It's not that there is any more room, it's just that there is more usable space with the support columns missing.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 20, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
No, actually more room. The posts and everything attached to them took up quite a bit of room
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 20, 2017, 06:20:55 PM
A good house-cleaning always gives you more room.  Museum folks are pack-rats as we never know when we'll ever need or use a part or piece of machinery again.  Occupational hazard................. ;)
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 21, 2017, 02:23:15 AM
All the Jenga tie stacks were removed from the shop today.  Fred hauled the ties over by the run through track.  Some of the larger rocks were removed as well.  We still need to cut and pull the last sub-sill that's under the old lathe pad in bay 2. 
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 21, 2017, 12:49:08 PM
With the post and beam project completed, does that mean that the concrete floor will be poured soon?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 21, 2017, 04:53:15 PM
Maybe two weeks, there's a few things to be done prior to the pour -

* Pour the concrete support tabs that go under the west wall posts.

* Remove the final sub-sill that's in the old lathe pad.

* Prepare/grade the floor including re-grading the track trench in bay 3 and digging one on bay 2.  This provides a thicker floor under the track.

* Set a skirt board along the west wall where the concrete floor height will be higher than the existing sills. 

* Set rails (running and mud) in both bays to be ready for the contractor to set his rebar.

We are working today, installing the I beam fish plate, bolting the center posts together and pulling the last concrete ties out of bay 2.  More may be done depending on Fred's energy level (or if he wants to watch the eclipse).
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 21, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
Ok Start,

You stumped me..... Splan mud rails.... are they the rails turned 90 degrees on edge with the head under the running rail on the gauge side?  Like the ones inside the gauge in the south side of bay 3?

Bill
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on August 21, 2017, 09:08:52 PM
Last ties were removed, about 6. Most of the steel stageing has been returned to the large car barn. Fred's going to help John M on his phone system tomorrow. A opening has been opened into bay one at the North end.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 21, 2017, 10:01:27 PM

Ok Start,

You stumped me.....  mud rails?  Are they the rails turned 90 degrees on edge with the head under the running rail on the gauge side?  Like the ones inside the gauge in the south side of bay 3?

Bill
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Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 22, 2017, 07:13:37 PM
Is there a special problem photographing the praised shop work done so far??!  ::)
At least three requests  have been made over the last two weeks. :-\
How about showing us??
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on August 22, 2017, 08:29:45 PM
Most of the people who have been working in there don't bring anything to take pictures with. If I took a picture I wouldn't know how to post it.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 22, 2017, 08:38:43 PM
While I deeply appreciate the efforts of those who do post pictures, I completely understand the lack of photos. When I go to Sheepscot, I always leave my phone in the car for several reasons. I don't want it to get damaged, and I also don't want to ruin the 1920 experience.

I'm sure photos will be coming with time.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 22, 2017, 10:55:07 PM
If you think about it, the three people that post the most pictures are Brendan, Mike and Start.  I tried to learn how, but you have to go outside the discussion group to a photo-specific website, and then paste in the link on the discussion group.

Perhaps Brendan and Mike can reeducate us so that more of us can do this.  I was there late this afternoon (running in to John McNamara) and took a picture of the opened up bay, but I still don't really know how to effectively post it.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 23, 2017, 01:37:42 AM
Jason sent me some pictures from today to post. We decided to remove the plywood wall between bays 1 and 2 to have more working room between bays 1 and 2. Bay 1 was the orginal shop building and the plywood being removed is the original outside wall sheathing of bay 1. All the posts that hold up the building will still be in place in that wall. We hope as a future project we can remove the posts between bays 1 and 2 and install the same ibeam setup as we just did between bays 2 and 3. A concrete floor and sills for bay1 are also on the future project list.

Looking south into the building from the bay 3 door.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1674.jpg)

Looking north from bay 3 in the shop extension you can see the first section of the wall between bays 1 and 2 removed.

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Looking into bay 1 at the first section of wall removed betwwen bays 1 and 2.

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Looking south into the building from the bay 2 door.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1672.jpg)

Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 23, 2017, 11:07:27 AM
So much for trying to heat bay 1.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on August 23, 2017, 11:30:06 AM
Yep. I was thinking the same thing, Mike.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 23, 2017, 11:37:22 AM
Thanks for the images.

I do think Mike has a point regarding bay 1.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 23, 2017, 05:54:06 PM
Jason and Brendan...
Mega-thanks for the comprehensive pics!  ;D
The shop does look much bigger, somehow neater,  with the old columns gone.
Very nice. Great work, you guys.
Can't wait to see that clean, level floor slab appear in a few days.
That job will be a piece of cake, right??   ;)

BTW, what are those old sections of boxcar sheathing for?
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 23, 2017, 10:57:05 PM
Sorry I left out Jason as the other major source of pics...the four of them are fantastic in keeping us visually up to date.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Vincent "Lightning" LeRow on August 24, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
That's the original sheathing of 309. The shadow of the number can be just made out on the in the 4th photo
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 24, 2017, 01:23:51 PM
I was wondering whatever happened to Lightening. Welcome back!
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on August 24, 2017, 02:59:29 PM
But, But, where we will hang everything we don't need and never use but don't want to get rid of?  ;)
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 24, 2017, 08:17:18 PM
Somebody mentioned there's now a storage  container beyond the parking lot.  ;)
Needs some green paint, when you guys get a chance.  ;D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on August 24, 2017, 09:55:22 PM
The first box is nearly full; another one wouldn't hurt. As Mike suggested some time ago, if they were set up parallel with space between, the area could be easily roofed over as parking for the Kubota and the dozer.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 24, 2017, 11:11:12 PM
One container is enough. Just need to organize it..
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on August 25, 2017, 02:37:24 AM
I'm with Mike on that- one is enough. That part of the campus is startin to look a bit worse for the wear- through no specific action- rather it's just the place where things seem to end up. Unfortunately, it's also the first place visitors see when they get out of their car and the last place they see when they leave.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on August 25, 2017, 09:16:57 PM
I'd rather have all the junk in one big pile than scattered all around the campus.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 26, 2017, 06:05:19 PM
That goes along with my posts pushing neatly painted buildings...wood, metal, junk kept in one place, ideally out of sight. 
A generally neat campus appearance always appeals to visitors, have never heard complaints about orderliness.
But then, I'm a highly trained neatnik. ;D
Order has a calming effect on me. 

Maybe its time for an old-time-looking wood fence/screen on the western edge of the parking lot?
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 26, 2017, 11:17:57 PM
Today -

* Skirt boards were installed on the west and north walls to provide a stop for the concrete. 

* Temporary steps were built for the machine shop access door so be careful going through there.  The steps will be rebuilt after the new floor is in.

* Sway braces were installed on the bay 2 - 3 center support post.  Final bolting will be done soon.

* The lower 6" of the old east wall sheathing was removed and the sills under cut to allow concrete to flow under for support from the new floor. 

* Both bays were cleared of small pieces of wood and debris so it won't be in the concrete.     

To do -

* Dig the trough for the bay 2 track, using the laser level for reference and remove any excess material.

* Fix the bay 3 trough.

* Set the bay 2 and 3 rails in place with gauge rods, height spacers and mud rails. 

* Build the north doorway forms once the track is in place. 

Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 05, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
 Ah, the joys of renovation...  :-\
Work originally limited to adding a concrete workplace floor at two bays has multiplied, due to discovery and removal of deteriorated, wooden bay wall/column foundations,
now to be replaced with concrete as part of the coming floor pour.
Besides eliminating most of the column line between bays 2 and 3 for more work space, the entire? lower wall half at bay 1 is  being removed,  its columns to also be reduced eventually.
At any rate, no doubt a much better work venue is coming to finish building 10's new boiler, finish boxcar 67, build  a new coach, get started on loco 11 and whatever other rolling stock repairs are needed.
There seems to be a question as to how winter heating could be added to the  building.
I doubt Maine winters are tropical.  ;)



Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 07, 2017, 07:28:39 AM
Progress:

* The bay 2 and 3 rails are in and welded to the steel ties to hold gauge.

* Wooden flangeway forms are in place on both tracks and additional leveling has been done to the floor sub surface. 

Needed:

* A layer of poly sheet and the steel mesh will be added, followed by the electric conduits that will feed the north and west side outlets.

The pour should take place next week as soon as the contractors concrete pump is available.   
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 10, 2017, 09:57:11 PM
The last of the outlet boxes and in floor conduit were installed today to be ready for the floor pour this week.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 11, 2017, 10:58:07 PM
The plastic sheeting and re-wire went down today and the concrete pump unit is on hand  The floor pour is scheduled for Wednesday morning.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on September 12, 2017, 04:18:36 AM
If the conduit is un-coated you may want to do so.
Paint, or foam pipe insulation, piece of plastic bag.
Don't want have to replace it down the road because of the concrete corrosion.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 12, 2017, 02:27:04 PM
Good Catch Carl.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 12, 2017, 02:38:21 PM
Conduit looks to be galvanized in the pics on Facebook.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 12, 2017, 03:38:37 PM
Wednesday is September 13th. Be careful and good luck.  ;D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on September 12, 2017, 10:51:25 PM
Galvanized needs coating more so.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 12, 2017, 11:19:33 PM
If the conduit is un-coated you may want to do so.
Paint, or foam pipe insulation, piece of plastic bag.
Don't want have to replace it down the road because of the concrete corrosion.

The sub floor conduit is the correct schedule PVC pipe for electric use. The pipe runs convert to steel at the elbow where it comes up through the concrete.  The pipes were set by digging a small trench in the stone/dirt floor and laying in a bed of sand.  The pipe was then covered with the sand and smoothed over while the steel elbows and risers were clamped to the wall.  After the pipe work was complete, sheets of poly/plastic were placed over the entire stone/dirt floor.  The concrete does not contact the PVC pipe, only the steel elbow and riser pipes that feed up to the outlets.  The system was designed by WW&F member and master electrician Josh Recave who does most of the museum's electrical work.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 13, 2017, 12:46:20 AM
Why the plastic "vapor barrier"? Moisture probs?
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 13, 2017, 01:33:14 AM
The water table is high, that's why ties rotted that were inside.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 13, 2017, 02:29:55 AM
Figured that was the prob.
That's one situation we don't have much here in East Abq at 5500' with <10-inch annual rain, maybe downtown by the mighty 3-foot deep Rio Grande lined with narrow bosques (wooded strips).  ;)
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on September 13, 2017, 06:15:58 PM
I was concerned with galvanic action but I could not spell it.
Well I can spell IT (eye tee) but galvanic gives me problems. :)

Under the concrete is not a problem, it is at the interface that I have seen
problems. It may have been other factors but rather safe than sorry.

I will not add - keep the concrete out of the sun.  ;D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 13, 2017, 07:40:25 PM
The new floor is in.  Please -

* Stay off of it entirely for 48 hours, don't even walk across it.

* The new floor must remain clean, sealer coating will be applied either Friday or Saturday.

* No rolling stock of any kind in bay 2 & 3 for 30 days.

* No connecting yard tracks to the bay 2 & 3 rails until further notice.  Be careful moving things around the north end of the shop so you don't hit the ends of the bay 2 & 3 rails that extend out of the back. 

We have a nice new floor that with care and a bit more work to get it ready will give many years of service to the railroad.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 13, 2017, 10:17:16 PM
Yea for the new floor and Hooray for everyone who worked so very hard to make this happen. 

In addition to making a much improved work area for our restoration projects, this will make it much easier, safer and appealing for our visitors who are touring our projects.

A big Well Done! to all who made this happen.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 13, 2017, 11:38:34 PM
Some pictures from this week.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_1895.jpg)

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6:00 am today

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6:30 am today

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_1928.jpg)

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_1933.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_1939.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_1951.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_1955.jpg)

5:00 pm today.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_1967.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_1970.jpg)
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 13, 2017, 11:58:50 PM
Looks too flat..
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 14, 2017, 12:08:20 AM
Brendan, great pics of today's pour.  When I left late afternoon, they were still smoothing and troweling, but it looks fantastic....
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 14, 2017, 01:12:48 AM
So which dog was the first to run through the wet concrete?
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 14, 2017, 03:16:38 AM
One concrete floor.
Questions...
*looks like the vapor barrier, usually the first to be laid, is above? the WWF mesh, which itself needs support to half the depth of the slab for proper reinforcement.
*when will the flangeway blockouts come out? Hope they were oiled.
*slab finish looks  rough, will make it harder to keep clean.
*no construction joints? Concrete cracks, wherever, whenever it wants.

Slab sealing is definitely needed.
And of course, treat that slab like it is radioactive, until mid-October!!


Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 14, 2017, 11:26:10 AM
Paul,

Take note at the third and sixth pictures.  The wire mesh is clearly above the vapor barrier.  Usually rakes are hooked under the wire to pull it up to mid concrete as the pour progresses.  Note the guy in the white tee shirt in the sixth picture.  He appears to have the rake in his hand.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 14, 2017, 01:39:41 PM
So which dog was the first to run through the wet concrete?

I am glad we don't have a shop cat. :P

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 14, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
Will there be a ribbon cutting ceremony at FWW? ;D

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on September 14, 2017, 01:46:53 PM
Wow. Great job to everyone involved. Great pictures, Brendan, thank you.
Boxcar 309's original siding is hanging there thinking..."you guys are too much!" :-)
SH
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 14, 2017, 08:02:36 PM
Gotcha, Bill. Looks like my eyes are  not  the teen-aged ones I once had.
The  floor is unquestionably a huge improvement, along with fewer columns and more access between bays 1 and 2.
Just watch out for the barrier-ignorers. They're always with us ;)
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 16, 2017, 08:42:55 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0916170739_zps3jv4si1y.jpg)
I made Fred pose for the picture. I tried to get Zack too but he darted out of the way. We are very fortunate to have several volunteers as dedicated as Fred. Without them, progress would be much slower.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0916170750_zpsreom8o9r.jpg)
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 16, 2017, 08:58:11 PM
What difference a week makes!  That floor looks terrific.

We are very fortunate to have several volunteers as dedicated as Fred. Without them, progress would be much slower.

Every visit I'm always amazed by what has gotten done since my last visit.  I wish I was half as productive as Fred and others.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 16, 2017, 09:36:27 PM
Today:

* Zack re-installed the work bench (and vice) along the wall under the stairs. And built a shelf over it for the long wood bits.

* The bottom steps were rebuilt to fit the new floor.

* More things were removed from the old east wall and the south end of bay 3 was cleaned up a bit.

A number of visitors walked through the shop, admiring the new floor.  One even noted that we could have a barn dance with all the room.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 16, 2017, 09:38:35 PM
Am amazed how much wider, and lighter, the middle bay area looks now, including the bay 1 pass-throughs; floor also looks smoooooother than before.
You guys should get what the Navy awards for outstanding performance, a big Excellence "E" as painted on a deserving ship.

So how big a band is booked in for the Fall Work Week/Shop Building Spruce-up/Washouts Fillup Barn Dance Cotillion?  Start's right...that new floor is just itching for a dance mob!  ;D
Too bad Guy Lombardo passed. 
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 16, 2017, 10:15:15 PM
Why not run a 2 (or 3) track box rail along the entire length of the wall between bay 2/3 and bay 1 (at least up to the stairs). Pick it up at your local Lowes, Home Depot or Tractor Supply - it is a regularly stocked item.

You could then put sliding doors on the track as movable partitions so you will be able to close the cutouts . This will support Mike's request to be able to isolate Bay 1 so it can be heated- move the doors and Bay 1 can be isolated with the movable partitions.

I do all of this in my cabinetry shop so I can segment off what I want to heat.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 16, 2017, 10:51:22 PM
I know every volunteer counts but Fred is the Poster Child.
Thanks to one and all.
Ira
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 17, 2017, 02:08:04 PM
Has anyone given any thought to Epoxy floor paint for the new section?  It makes it so much easier to clean up (especially oil and grease), and with an off-white, grey, or tan color will actually help with the interior lighting and brighten the bay up. 
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on September 17, 2017, 02:55:43 PM
John. New floor already had two coats. See photo's above. Fred is standing on the coated concrete.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 17, 2017, 03:25:32 PM
My understanding is that the two coats is concrete sealer.  That is way different than an industrial epoxy floor paint.  Please correct me if I'm wrong..........
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on September 17, 2017, 08:21:13 PM
sealer
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 17, 2017, 10:19:36 PM
Yes, expensive epoxy floor paint would be a further improvement, but the multi-coats of sealer would have to be completely acid?removed after the concrete cures, with yet another  delay in area use.  :P
Think it best to use and enjoy the nice, new deck, maybe wipe thy feet and minimize  splats, smears and spills.  ;)

Bet the next project will be a concrete floor in bay 1. 

Heating...what's the latest?
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 17, 2017, 10:26:12 PM
I would suggest a couple of free-standing coal stoves with gravity feeds.  Relatively cheap, easy to maintain, and if you want to get fancy there are those that have blower options (1000-2000) cfm for larger spaces.  Can be found online or a decent selection can be bought through tractor supply (TSC).  They have good stuff and are easy to deal with.  I use them all the time.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 18, 2017, 11:55:50 AM
No heat planned. We have some portable patio heaters that work great for taking the chill off
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 09, 2017, 10:36:43 PM
B&SR 67 was the first car back in the shop after the tracks were reconnected this weekend.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_2224.jpg)

Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 10, 2017, 03:56:15 AM
A perfect picture.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on October 10, 2017, 01:10:38 PM
What happens to the first person that gets the floor greasy or spills oil on it? Smokebox clean-out duty for a week?  :o
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 10, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
Too late, the Model T already christened the floor.  Don't know what its punishment will be........   :D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on October 10, 2017, 02:19:17 PM
Too late, the Model T already christened the floor.  Don't know what its punishment will be........   :D

A night outside might be a good punishment. ;D
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Russ Nelson on October 11, 2017, 07:51:24 PM
The floor is sealed, so grease and oil stains should clean up with some kitty litter.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on October 12, 2017, 04:45:29 AM
Or do it like we did when I was in the Motor Pool -
Oil Absorbent and a 2X4 block , round & round.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Win Nowell on October 12, 2017, 06:04:05 PM
WOW!! That sure is an improvement! I always wondered how nobody got hurt working on that ballast. This is great and so much safer! I have two bad knees and always had to be double careful on that old floor.
There is one other bad spot that I discovered a few years ago in going from bay 3 into the machine shop where there is an unexpected double step down. Not sure if it is still there or not! Bui I found it!
I really can't believe how much was accomplished this year. I guess we all have to be thankful for a dedicated and skilled volunteer work crew!
Win Nowell
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 13, 2017, 12:07:55 AM
There is now a gentle two step drop from the new concrete floor to the machine shop.  I was happily surprised, and everyone with bad knees, etc. will really appreciate the upgrade.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 13, 2017, 12:32:21 AM
A few aluminum cookie sheets (like Nancy Weeks uses for her lovely desserts) strategically placed beneath known leaky equipment will solve the oil spot problem. I've been in museums that have one under each locomotive side rod bearing to catch drips.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on October 13, 2017, 01:55:22 AM
Galvanized oil drip pans, like a really big cookie sheet, may be a better solution and do not have to be food grade.
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 13, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
Catch oil in it and I would no longer classify it as food grade  ;)
Title: Re: Shop Building Improvements - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 21, 2017, 11:59:32 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_6590_zpsjfemy8nj.jpg)

A little organizing always improves the area. The weekday crew came up with this in the machine shop. Sure beats picking up pails looking for the right oil..