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Title: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 01, 2017, 11:00:14 AM
It's March 1!  Spring in Maine appears to be rapidly approaching.

Anticipated work for Saturday March 4:

* Boxcar 67: trucks, belt rails
* Storage container delivery prep
* Archival work
* Office work: a "new" laptop arrived, I will be transferring all office functions to that (this replaces the one with the broken hinge)
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on March 01, 2017, 11:22:08 AM
I think Sat. we'll continue burning brush and dead trees around the storage box area, There will still be snow in the area.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 02, 2017, 12:50:00 AM
What's the eta of the container? IIRC, the ones 2926 has were made by Hyundai.
Wonder how many there are in use by shippers, sold to the world public, etc? Millions?
Who knew how handy and popular they would become.
We have a just-opened little 2-story, East Abq shopping mall on I-40 made up of containers.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 02, 2017, 02:06:46 AM
Malcolm Purcell McLean invented the modern inter-modal shipping container.   Many of us older folks can remember the McLean Trucking Co based in North Carolina.  McLean Trucking was founded by Malcolm, his sister and brother.  In the early 1950's he started working on a way to carry his companies trucks on ships.  At that time US regulations didn't allow a trucking company to own ships. 

McLean founded a new company and bought two WWII ships and converted them to carry the containers without the truck chassis.  This reduced the labor cost to unload a ton of cargo from $4.86 a ton to $0.16 a ton.

With the US involvement in the Viet Nam war Sea-Land container cargo increased by 40%. 

There are now reported to be over 17 million shipping containers in the world.  It is estimated that there are 10,000 shipping containers lost at sea every year.  Many of them, because of their cargo, float just at or below the surface, and become a hazard to vessels.

As Paul Harvey would say, "Now you know.... the rest of the story",
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 02, 2017, 10:58:54 AM
And another bit of the rest of the story - with narrow gauge content.  The White Pass & Yukon was the first railroad to build/own a container ship, and transferred containers from ship to train, the Clifford J Rogers.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 04, 2017, 08:15:44 PM
Work done on Saturday March 4:

* Container prep: We burned some of the tree trash from cutting earlier in the week, and Fred insisted on cutting a few more down.  Meanwhile Mike got the Kubota going and managed to cart away most of the logs to a corner of the parking lot.  Then he tried dumping some material down to extend the fill, but it soon got too cold for him (it was in the teens with a hefty wind). 
* Archives: Linda was sorting through more Museum-era pictures.
* Office: New laptop, moved a bunch of stuff over to it.
* Special delivery: We got an unexpected delivery of 6 used utility poles from On Target, they showed up after most everyone had left, and Mike directed them to put them at the end of the parking lot.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 04, 2017, 09:55:48 PM
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Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 04, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
Also, I worked on 1015 for about an hour this afternoon, removing and axle and springs. Then loaded the springs and the frame rails for the trip to ROWMOW Mfg. to hopefully get something done.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 07, 2017, 03:28:51 AM
Fine looking poles. Any immediate need for them?
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 07, 2017, 11:16:38 AM
We have a collection of other such poles.  We intend to start a utility pole museum  ;D

Actually the last plans that I heard for them were that we'd used them in constructing our coal storage bin (they'd be the walls).
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on March 07, 2017, 01:51:51 PM
I wonder if they'd have some use at the first washout going down the mountain.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Dave Crow on March 07, 2017, 03:29:57 PM
Dave, it would be dicey/impossible getting an auger truck to the site in order to drill holes as well as to set them - if you're thinking they could be used as the vertical piles for a retaining wall?  Maybe a post hole auger mounted on a Bobcat(R)?  If we do have to drive piles, I suggest sections of rail so there is no chance they will rot in any of our lifetimes...
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 07, 2017, 04:30:58 PM
No piles. Dave B. is talking something temporary..
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 08, 2017, 10:56:15 AM
Anticipated work for weekend of Saturday March 11:

* Board meeting Friday evening
* Boxcar 67 - truck assembly, belt rails
* Storage container arrival prep
* Top of Mountain area/down the Mountain right of way clearing.

Forecast promises to be quite cold and windy, but Spring isn't very far away!
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on March 10, 2017, 02:02:06 PM
I was hopeing we could go North to cut and burn brush Sat. However there's to much ice at Davis crossing. Guess we will have finish cleaning and burning behind where were going to out the big box.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 11, 2017, 10:30:52 PM
Work done on Saturday March 11:

* It was really cold today (maybe low teens) with a stiff wind today making for a sub zero wind chill.  So nobody was really eager to start working outside.  Fred managed to get a fire going behind the storage box location, which got fed all morning.  Mike freed up some dirt and he, Fred and Brendan hauled it over to extend the base of the box location.
* Boxcar 67: Jay did some work on the trucks.  The truck hardware has all been moved into the machine shop.  Meanwhile Zack wasn't really into working on belt rails with the cold.
* Archives: Linda wanted me to get the scanner working.  I did, then we tried negatives.  The scanner software started out recognizing the fact that the scanner does negatives, but then later it stopped.  I couldn't get it back to recognizing the negatives.  Marcel stopped in and provided some old photos for Linda.
* Equipment carrier car 1015: Mike got the carrier flipped and one of the axles moved onto the back, then removed the other axle.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 11, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
Container arrives Monday. Late morning possibly.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 11, 2017, 10:55:21 PM
I hope the container arrives before the snow does.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 11, 2017, 11:04:16 PM
Also -

As James noted, it was cold.  The actual temperature never got above 7 and most everyone was in the house this morning before lunch was even ready.  After lunch Brendan installed a bulletin board on the wall above the trash and recycle bins in the Percival house.  The board is for notices and notes such as equipment work and track information like slow orders.  This is now the place visiting members should check for information on projects and operations.  Brendan also put a shelf under the notice board.  This is where the member sign in book will be kept so please remember to go to the new sign in/out area in the Percival house main room when you work at the railroad.  
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 11, 2017, 11:54:16 PM
That is why I asked for a Monday delivery..snow coming Tuesday.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 12, 2017, 12:15:17 PM
   The axle that was used is a highway axle. We flipped the car and Brendan lined the axle up on it and we put the car back in the shop. This will make it easier to work on the bottom of the car to attach the new sub frame.
   Railroad axles are ready for the lathe, with one being in it. The weekday shop crew will turn the bearing ends, and touch up the axle between the wheels if needed, so the axle can be sleeved with some heavy wall pipe, when the axle is cut from it's current 3' gauge.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on March 13, 2017, 01:09:09 AM
We have 5" since 3PM. I think I heard it will join another system to produce a nor'easter for you guys.

 
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Ira Schreiber on March 13, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
In the 70's here in the Denver area all week.
Happy shoveling
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 13, 2017, 09:48:38 PM
The container arrived this evening.

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Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 13, 2017, 09:55:33 PM
Like a glove. Perfect.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 13, 2017, 10:23:17 PM
Great! Now before filling, build some sturdy shelves across the end and along one side. Then, as items are installed within, keep a running inventory somewhere so nothing gets in (or out) without being recorded!
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on March 13, 2017, 11:06:20 PM
Looks like another major paint job.  Do we use WW&F paint scheme or forest green??
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 13, 2017, 11:50:52 PM
Nice work.  
See the nice, dark, coniferous area woods ?
I'd use matching green paint on Yang Ming, with a white roof to minimize summer heat. Airtight steel containers can get hot.
Build  a run of top-to-bottom shelves along one wall,  both walls if stored parts are relatively small, back wall optional.
Bury a wire from the garage for a couple fluorescent ceiling fixtures.
And yes, keep close track of what's in there, or leaves.
Next.  ;)
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Steve Smith on March 14, 2017, 01:27:54 AM
All my life it's always been YIN and Yang. Who's this MING person? Is nothing sacred anymore?  :D
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Ken Fleming on March 14, 2017, 02:32:03 AM
If you are over sixty, you should remember "Ming the Merciless" from Flash Gordon TV.  Early fifties.  LOL
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 14, 2017, 03:04:53 AM
But of course. Us New Yawk kids looked forward to the adventures of Flash confronting the villains from the Planet Mongo!
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on March 14, 2017, 04:56:35 AM
Has anyone given thought to putting some vents high up on the sides?
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 14, 2017, 08:35:58 AM
Already vented, about 1 foot in from the ends. We just need to make sure we can keep the bugs out.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 14, 2017, 11:22:24 PM
The March Madness today is that the trash crew started clearing the buildings at 7:30 am to be done hauling everything before the storm hit.  The plow crew is not so lucky, they started at 4:30pm and worked until 6:15.  It was hard to keep up with snow falling at 2"+ per hour and 40mph wind gusts but they got things opened up. More will be done on Weds since it's still snowing.  The reason the driveways are cleared even when no one is working at the railroad is in case emergency equipment needs access to the buildings.  
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 15, 2017, 10:09:26 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday March 18:

* Snow cleaning: whatever's left from last night's storm.  And there's some more coming Saturday evening to Sunday morning!
* Boxcar 67
* Admiring the new container
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 15, 2017, 12:19:46 PM
In regards to the new container, we need to jack the front up and put the other large timber under it. I am planning on being there but mother nature seems to have other plans..
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 18, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
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Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 18, 2017, 06:53:51 PM
Looks like youz got a container in better than average shape. Good going.
BTW, what is that ladder and belt/pulley from?
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 18, 2017, 08:56:49 PM
Work done on Saturday March 18:

* Storage container: we jacked up the front and stuck a big timber under it.  Then we put a few token pieces in just to say we did it.
* Snow clearing: Mike fired up the bulldozer and dozed a path to the storage container, cleared in front of the garage, the car shop, and around the turntable.
* Boxcar: Zack took down one belt rail (on the west side) and put up 2 (on the east side).
* Equipment carrier: The paint was scraped, then Mike started working to shorten the tongue.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 18, 2017, 09:57:07 PM
Paul, that is the cut-off saw from the shingle mill. It has been outside somewhat covered since we hauled it to Sheepscot. I figured it earned a spot in the container, and was the first item in there.

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Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 18, 2017, 10:15:09 PM
We will be performing a major clean out of bays 2 and 3 later this spring, whereby we will have some fillings for the container.  Much will be thrown away, and some items will relocate to other than the container, so we won't outright fill it up out of bay 2 by any means.  This will allow us to upgrade the floor in bays 2 and 3, reallocate the use of space, and prepare for a major project to commence this summer.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Ira Schreiber on March 18, 2017, 10:31:13 PM
Concrete floors in both bays and a large service pit?
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 18, 2017, 10:54:28 PM
-- Linda worked in the archives, including sorting some Museum photos from years gone by.
-- The signboard outside the restroom building was updated for upcoming 2017 activities.
-- Cindy made a nice lunch.  Thanks!

Good thing Easter's late this year.  Otherwise the field for the egg hunt would need to be plowed.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 18, 2017, 11:27:51 PM
No service pit, just a moderate duty concrete floor to make it easier to build freight cars, locomotives, etc.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 18, 2017, 11:56:55 PM
And not rushing to get things in the container, but the few items we took out of the garage made it so much nicer in there. Shelving is definately needed, because we have plenty to put in there.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on March 19, 2017, 01:57:11 AM
It was noted that there are hooks near the ceiling on both sides for hammocks. James set a discount price of $5.00 a night for those desiring accommodations in the storage unit as it's a hike to the bathroom. ;<)
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 19, 2017, 02:17:24 AM
Dave--wonder if Appalachian Trail hikers would be interested? ;^}
Jason--"...prepare for a major (shop) project to commence this summer." Might it involve bending, riveting metal for a locomotive or two?
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 19, 2017, 02:37:58 AM
Dave--wonder if Appalachian Trail hikers would be interested? ;^}

Only if they make a 100-mile detour to the coast!
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 19, 2017, 02:43:56 AM
Oh well. I was wondering.  ;D
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 19, 2017, 01:12:03 PM
It was noted that there are hooks near the ceiling on both sides for hammocks. James set a discount price of $5.00 a night for those desiring accommodations in the storage unit as it's a hike to the bathroom. ;<)

I thought this was the vice-president's new office.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 22, 2017, 10:16:11 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday March 25:

* Boxcar 67
* Land- & snow-scaping
* Container
* Archives
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 23, 2017, 12:10:36 AM
Dave--wonder if Appalachian Trail hikers would be interested? ;^}
Jason--"...prepare for a major (shop) project to commence this summer." Might it involve bending, riveting metal for a locomotive or two?

Don't underestimate the Appalachian Trail hikers straying from the trail.  It was on a 'zero day' my brother and I took while hiking the AT in Maine that we decided to find and ride the Maine 2 footers.  The rest, as they say, is history and I have been coming back every year since then.  That was well over a decade ago.

Bill
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on March 25, 2017, 10:11:30 PM
Work done on Saturday March 25 (today with pictures!):

* Boxcar 67: Zack finished the long belt rails and got one of the short end belt rails up.
* Storage container: Some pieces were brought in during the week.  Today, Fred brought in a bunch of lumber from home for shelves, and Steve Z helped build some shelves at the far end of the container:
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* Shop Bay 2 cleaning: Some things from the shop were moved to the container during the week, and today as well.  The bench that's been on the east wall of Bay 2 by the door between the two bays for as long as I've been around was cleaned off, taken off the wall, trimmed a little, and moved to between Bays 2 and 3.  It was a tight fit, and now it's lag bolted in.  Where it used to be:
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And where it is now:
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* Archives: Linda worked to identify and organize modern photos.
* Timetable: Jason and I discussed the new timetable.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on March 25, 2017, 11:53:51 PM
The bench is slightly higher than it was. This is in anticipation of the cement floor. If then it is still too high, we can lower it easier than we moved it.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 27, 2017, 05:17:50 PM
It looks like the container is beginning to fill up.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 27, 2017, 05:28:09 PM
"It looks like the container is beginning to fill up."

Still lots of space above the things along the walls. More shelving needed.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on March 27, 2017, 06:12:43 PM
There are going to be more shelving put in. Many of the things were putting in right now are from bay 2 and 3 to get them cleaned out for pouring cement in those 2 bays. The shelves are 18" deep on both sides and I think were only putting them about half way for now. We hope to have the floors done before we start building a coach. A few things were taking from the 3 car garage so we can walk in there.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 27, 2017, 06:29:29 PM
You may want to consider some 2 or 3-foot wide shelves along one side, built very sturdy, so that heavier things can be stored on them as well as under them. I'm thinking things like the chain falls under the steps, spare Brookville engine and transmission, No. 10 parts, etc. Maybe a large shelf above the lathe?
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 27, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
Per experience with the 2926 project, they have, IIRC, seven containers, well used for secure storage, with one used as a machine shop.
You can get LOTS of stuff in them with deep, sturdy shelving.
Title: Re: March 2017 Work Planning
Post by: Win Nowell on March 28, 2017, 01:04:20 PM
How does the saying go?
Junk expands to fit the space available!
You guys are too much or too ambitious.
Things are looking good. The cement floor will be a welcome addition!
Win Nowell