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Title: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 14, 2017, 12:50:03 AM
Here is an update for both the away crowd and the Maine crowd who only see the Coach 8 part of this project.

Randy Beach, Jason and I have been doing preparation work for the Spring Work Weekend project to install Baggage (handicap) Doors on Coach 8.  We are using the attached Jackson and Sharp drawing of how the W & Q modified the coach as our guide.

Randy is working on Coach 8, I am creating the doors and Jason is keeping us on track and coordinating our efforts.  There was a picture of Randy working on coach 8 posted earlier on the forum, but I have lost track of where it is posted.

If you look closely at the attached picture of the new door frames you can see that the mortises have been cut into the two stiles and the bottom, mid and top rails.  The next task is to cut the tenons into the rails and mullions.  Then slots for the bottom panels and the top glass will also have to be cut.  The bottom panels have not as yet started yet, but I have located a large board to be planed down for that purpose.  Parts for two doors are at the stage in the photo.  I couldn’t get white oak, so the wood is red oak.

One of the issues I have been struggling with is how to get the doors, which are becoming heavier and heavier as the parts are created, from Virginia to Maine.  At first I thought of putting them on carrier rack behind my larger car.  That however, would create a lot of wind drag.  I then thought of putting them on the roof, but I now realize they will be too heavy for that also.  The good news is I just found someone who will lend me a small trailer upon which to transport them in April.

The plan is to open up the Coach 8 side and install one or two of the doors during the SWW.   I am sure Randy will be looking for help making the final modifications to Coach 8 and mounting hardware, painting and staining.

Brakie Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 Baggage (Handicapped) Doors
Post by: Mike Fox on February 14, 2017, 06:31:28 AM
I am so glad this is finally being done. I have been pressing this idea for years. I know our handicapped patrons will appreciate it.
Title: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Thomas Evans on February 14, 2017, 03:14:25 PM
Is it going to have the gold striping & say "Smoking Car"?

Tom E.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 14, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
FYI, a much better scan of the Coach 4 drawing is in Two Feet to Tidewater, page 253.

Is coach 8 going to be modified so that there is a handicap door on both sides of the car, or just the east-facing side?

Will the partition be moved to the point indicated in the drawing (closer to the baggage door), or will it stay where it is (at the center of the car?) Will the baggage end windows be closed off (as indicated as "probable" in the drawing.)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 14, 2017, 06:14:38 PM
I was originally asked to only make one door.  I am making two because it is easier to only set up one time.

I don't think the partition will be moved.  I think Randy's plan is to only remove two windows for the new door.  It does appear that he is working on both sides.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 14, 2017, 10:58:30 PM
I took this on the 3rd of February

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0203171050a_zpsjmayrdti.jpg)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 14, 2017, 11:35:47 PM
Mike,

What did the other side look like?  My understanding was that the South side of 8 was going to receive a door.  If Randy is only doing the North side, perhaps the plan is to turn Coach 8.

Is that water damage stain just under the roof?

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 14, 2017, 11:38:02 PM
Mike,

Also, how do you post a picture the size that you posted within your reply?  When I us the "additional Options and attach a file it puts it under my text and I can only use a very small picture.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 15, 2017, 06:25:41 AM
Bill, I use a photo host website.

The south west side is the only side Randy has worked on so far. The plan is to turn the car so the door will be on the North East side.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 15, 2017, 08:43:58 AM
Mike,

Thanks, that makes sense.  That way the Baggage (Handicapped) Door will be where the freight shed is widest which is where folks in wheelchairs tend to congregate.  It is also nearest to where the ramp is stored in Fred's Office.  It is nice to know that someone up there is always thinking things through.

I think the eventual plan is to put the second door on the other side at a later time, yet before the Saw-Shingle Mill siding facilities are completed so those who need special assistance can get off there on the West side to view our activities.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 15, 2017, 08:56:56 PM
Since two doors are now being built, will be hauled to site,  and  similar install mods can easily continue across the car, why not just hang both doors when they arrive and be done with the whole project, easily in time for this season's run schedule? Also, it won't matter which way 8 travels , would  provide access/egress on either side.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 15, 2017, 11:29:56 PM
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Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on February 16, 2017, 09:08:41 AM
Bill,

I'm not sure if you remember, but when Coach 8 was at Edaville, vandals set fire to it and it had a major rebuild from the floor up.  Others can correct me, but I believe the damage to one end of our Coach 3 (if you look inside the access hatch into the platform roof area, there is charred wood) occurred then, as Coach 3 was coupled to then-numbered 26.

Nice work on the doors!

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 16, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
Door installation on the other side of the car would take more work because the steam heat pipe runs under the bench.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 16, 2017, 12:36:07 PM
Having handicap doors on both sides of 8 would be a great advantage  and well worth the extra work re-routing the steam pipe. How often is steam heat used?
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on February 16, 2017, 12:52:33 PM
I could be wrong, but I think only the regular Edaville engines have steam heat connections on them. I was actually considering hooking the line up on 3 last Saturday since we were running with coach 8 right behind the loco half the time.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 16, 2017, 04:19:52 PM
We have limited shop time, and a full plate.  The first door is proof of concept, while we also focus on flanging machine development, boiler construction, boxcar completion, and prepare to construct a new coach from scratch.  Adding the second door is on the list- where on the list depends on how the first door goes.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 16, 2017, 04:47:35 PM
A full plate ????  Looks more like an all-you-can eat buffet!  ;)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on February 16, 2017, 06:27:28 PM
Paul, Steam heat has never been used at the museum. Steam pipes are on coach's 3 & 8. But Loco's 9 & 10  do not have steam heat piping or valve's.

Thanks, John
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 16, 2017, 06:35:14 PM
I think you meant to reply to Paul.......
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 16, 2017, 07:33:46 PM
Dwight,

I guess I never noticed that coach 3 had steam pipes.  Were they original?

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on February 16, 2017, 11:13:50 PM
Bill, not sure. My guess is, added at Edaville.

Oh, I forgot. Open car 108 also has  steam heat piping. Edaville installed plastic glass on the sides opening and added doors to the ends. I rode these cars many times. With the steam heat on and a full load of passengers. The "windows" steamed over, everyone on the car would keep wiping the windows so they could see the Christmas lights and displays.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on February 18, 2017, 10:18:40 AM
prepare to construct a new coach from scratch
I was wondering if you would have any use for two brake shafts with ratchet wheels and pawls from a standard gauge caboose. I also have a number of cast iron brake wheels. I can send pictures and any measurements you would need.
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 26, 2017, 08:28:22 AM
We might be able to use them; we've yet to research what J&S put on our cars originally.

Send pics if you can,
Jason
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Schade on February 26, 2017, 11:16:52 AM
I have finished up some 4x4 quarter round posts for the door.  Randy donated some rough sawn wood, turned out to be butternut!
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 26, 2017, 03:00:45 PM
Rough door opening cut into coach 8.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0505.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0503.jpg)

Coach 8 was probably rebuilt from an open passenger car. The side sill is painted yellow and you can see where the railing was mounted.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0518.jpg)

Edaville installed a second floor over original floor to cover burn damage when the coach was rebuilt after a fire.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0521.jpg)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on February 26, 2017, 04:10:35 PM
Randy donated some rough sawn wood, turned out to be butternut!

Very neat! Butternut is a beautiful wood, and increasingly rare.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 02, 2017, 04:18:30 PM
Here is a picture of one of the two baggage doors (handicapped access) for coach 8.  Both are complete.  The dark spot in the lower left corner is simply water from the plastic that was over them.  When I return from Peru I will get the glass cut and install the windows.  

Unless someone wants me to do otherwise, I am leaving them unpainted or stained as my paint doesn't match coach 8 nor would I have any idea what color stain to use.  I could prime and paint the exterior, but it will be a different shade of green, as were my windows.

I guess that gives Randy and Jay another task for the SWW.

I am off tomorrow to ride the 3' Ferrocarril Santa Ana from Cusco to Auguas Calientes, just a short walk up a very steep 'hill' to Machu Picchu. Pictures to follow in the "Two Footers outside the US section".

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 02, 2017, 05:11:25 PM
Very nice, Bill. Well done!
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 02, 2017, 06:43:54 PM
That's beautiful, Bill!

The stiles and rails look like red oak, but what kind of wood did you use for the panels?
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 02, 2017, 08:56:20 PM
Philip,

The panels are also red oak.  They came from a different board that appeared to be from a different tree and a much older board.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on March 02, 2017, 09:11:59 PM
Beautiful work on the doors.  I was just there today looking at the work Randy has done on the door framing.  It's going to be fantastic...
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on March 02, 2017, 09:26:21 PM
Buen viaje Bill!
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 03, 2017, 01:33:51 AM
Excellent work, Bill.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 03, 2017, 08:03:51 AM
Thanks every one....

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on March 03, 2017, 08:24:07 AM
Bill,

That is a super job!  The WW&FRy has so many talented which keep making the dream a reality.

Bern
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 05, 2017, 10:51:35 PM
Looking forward to seeing the new doors in April. Nice work.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 05, 2017, 11:08:37 PM
I know there's been some discussion about building a new coach after we get some of the other projects completed. Which coach will we be replicating?  Does anyone have a picture of it?

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 05, 2017, 11:44:55 PM
I know there's been some discussion about building a new coach after we get some of the other projects completed. Which coach will we be replicating?  Does anyone have a picture of it?

Bill
Hopefully there will be details in the next WW&F Newsletter. That doesn't mean I know anything, but that's why the use of the word "hopefully." ;D
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 06, 2017, 11:16:12 PM
A brief update from the 'Southern Narrow Gauge Door & Window Shop' on the Coach 8 Baggage Doors.  The tempered glass arrived today from the glass shop.  I am off to Nashville this weekend and will fit them when I return after Easter.  No matter how I try and not let the schedule get tight, it seems, as usual, the project will come together just in time for the SWW departure. 

The SNGD&WS shipping department (the whole organization has a staff of one, with many hats) has arranged for a small trailer to tag along on the trip to transport the new doors.

BTW, the flowers and trees around the shop are just budding this week.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 06, 2017, 11:33:27 PM
Thanks Bill,

We look forward to seeing the doors in person!  We hope you saw tonight's photos on facebook.  Combine #8's doorway is looking great with the quarter round frame sides and steel sill in place.  Note the first photo on the post, pink sunrise right before the storm... no trees or flowers budding and there's still snow on the ground.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on April 07, 2017, 09:41:46 AM
Bill;
Will the Corvette or the Honda be the tow vehicle?
Dave
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 07, 2017, 04:34:46 PM
Dave,

My sweet wife said that if I didn't use the room I built for a train room as a train room, she would re-purpose it for another use.  So.... Alas... Sob.... I sold the corvette to make room to move my wood shop down to the 'vette' garage.  This moves the dust makers out of the 'train room' to make room in the current upstairs room (shop) for my HO empire. 

I left my trailer in Nashville last trip so I will bring it back to be used to transport the doors to Maine in two weeks.  Needless to say, I will use the larger Honda Accord to pull the trailer from Nashville, and to Maine.  The Vette would have pulled it with out knowing it was back there, but the Insight would struggle up even the most modest hills unless I drove in 2nd gear.  That would it defeat the petrol saving qualities.

See ya soon.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 07, 2017, 07:46:49 PM
I have a door question: How do the doors open (besides "very well")? Do they open into the car, out of the car, or slide along the inside wall, possibly into a pocket?

I can't wait to see them in service! ;D

-John M
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 08, 2017, 05:43:09 AM
John,
It will slide toward the end of the car. The original car (4) had that window blanked out.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on April 08, 2017, 08:41:10 AM
After looking at the photo's on page 2, it looks like the bench seat needs to be cut back some more to make room of a wheelchair to be parked with a "window view".

Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 08, 2017, 09:18:12 AM
Perhaps we can either put some sort of gate up, like on the caboose, or leave the existing window and travel with the door closed and the handicapped person can park beside the, then unblocked, window near the end of the coach.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 08, 2017, 11:39:41 AM
Bill, normally there are a set of vertical wood slats inside the baggage area into which the door slides. These slats probably kept the baggage person from stacking or leaning items such that the door could not open. In any case, they would block the view out the window.
I believe our caboose has similar sets of vertical slats as well, if you need a reference. I can send a photo or two on Mobday when I'm back at my computer.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 08, 2017, 01:45:24 PM
I believe Bill was referring to the gates across the open door to keep people from falling out. I would prefer any gate for the car to be built of steel so it can be painted and match the car.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 08, 2017, 06:02:02 PM
An iron gate would be nice, especially if it looked the part. Problem would be what to do with the gate while not in use, and how heavy would it be to handle if it was removable.

As far as seating, there was talk of making the bench to the left of the door removable. This will enable us to have capacity when needed, and the flexibility to handle our mobility challenged guests at almost the drop of a hat. Time for that modification was running short.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 08, 2017, 10:37:13 PM
Mike, Dave,

Thanks for the updates.  I guess we will all see how it is coming along in two weeks.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 08, 2017, 10:58:39 PM
There are recent photos on fb.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 09, 2017, 09:53:28 AM
I see a couple of possibilities for a gate. One would be something custom-fabricated by a shop that makes porch railings, for example. Another would be something like a frame with heavy woven wire screening in the center. Either type could be attached to brackets screwed to the door posts outside the door itself, and could be left in place but easily lifted off the brackets as necessary.

Inside the car, to protect the door when open, a "crate" could be built using 1 x 4 or 1 x 6 vertical boards from floor to ceiling, spaced two or three inches apart to allow some light from the window to enter the car.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 09, 2017, 06:54:19 PM
Coach 8 pictures taken today. It's tough to get a good picture of the door opening with the car inside the shop.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0570.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0574.jpg)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 10, 2017, 12:01:33 AM

Inside the car, to protect the door when open, a "crate" could be built using 1 x 4 or 1 x 6 vertical boards from floor to ceiling, spaced two or three inches apart to allow some light from the window to enter the car.

I like Wayne's crate idea with the following modification, frame an opening in the "crate" to match the window so one can still see out of it.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 10, 2017, 08:18:34 AM
Bill, the following are some photos of the baggage section of the SR&RL combine in Portland.  These are the slats to keep parcels and boxes from jamming against the door.  Also included is what the door from the passenger to the freight section of the combine looks like:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Maine%20Visit%20Oct%202008%20113%20small.jpg)

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Maine%20Visit%20Oct%202008%20114%20small.jpg)

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Maine%20Visit%20Oct%202008%20115%20small.jpg)

See you in a couple of weeks.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 10, 2017, 10:58:26 AM
We have the same type of antique door rollers for combine #8.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 10, 2017, 07:59:51 PM
Go with what has been done before.  Block out the window and don't worry about seeing through the crate...
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 10, 2017, 08:58:12 PM
The crate idea gives opportunity for a hand injury. That was designed to keep luggage and parcels out of the travel way of the door. For the safety of our patrons and our volunteers, either leave the door exposed or make it open in a pocket.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 10, 2017, 09:14:56 PM
Every baggage car I was ever in had some sort of latch to keep the door open, so it wasn't sliding back and forth with the motion of the train. That should protect anyone from pinched fingers. Also, as I noted above, if the opening between the slats is two inches, it would be hard to insert fingers. Or put hardware cloth inside the crate.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 10, 2017, 11:03:18 PM
Since Coach 8 is not a  partitioned, combination baggage/coach, I'd hang the door as planned with no  protection and leave the lone window alone, viewable when the door is closed.
The door will only move for entries and exits. Just simply see that nobodies' body parts or belongings are in the way.  ;)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 11, 2017, 05:20:07 PM
Coach 8 outside with the door opening in primer. The first coat of green paint went on today but I forgot to take a picture before we put the coach back in the shop.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_0584.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_0592.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_0597.jpg)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 11, 2017, 07:25:43 PM
Wow, can't wait to see the green paint version....
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 11, 2017, 07:29:51 PM
Brandon and Barry, you guys are doing amazing work. I can't wait to get up there and see it in person.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 11, 2017, 07:43:43 PM
Looks sharp!  Really, really nice work.

I'm guessing coach #8 is taking a spin on the turntable before the start of trains Saturday.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 11, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
Since Coach 8 is not a  partitioned, combination baggage/coach, I'd hang the door as planned with no  protection and leave the lone window alone, viewable when the door is closed.
The door will only move for entries and exits. Just simply see that nobodies' body parts or belongings are in the way.  ;)

In the 'for what it's worth' department, I like Paul's idea.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on April 12, 2017, 11:52:46 AM
Looks GREAT!!
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 12, 2017, 12:04:24 PM
Any thought of weatherstripping for water infiltration?
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 24, 2017, 12:02:19 PM
Here are the finished coach 8 doors ready for loading for the trip North.  I have the tempered glass which I will carry in the car so it won't risk being broken in the trailer.  The transport leaves Wednesday morning.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 24, 2017, 12:52:20 PM
Mighty fine looking Bill. Can't wait to see them Saturday.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on April 24, 2017, 01:02:57 PM
Wow, what nice looking doors Bill. Look forward to seeing you on Thursday and Saturday.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 26, 2017, 05:43:57 PM
Top quality doors! 
Hope one will be glassed, painted and mounted during SWW.  ;)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 18, 2017, 11:05:44 AM
Randy,

Any progress on mounting the door on coach 8?

FYI the wood was fully dried and aged before cutting and assembling.

Be careful nailing the strips over the glass as the hard wood grain can make the nail walk into the glass.

Post pictures when mounted.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 18, 2017, 11:19:13 AM
At the Board Meeting Friday night, Randy said he had the Varnish done and was going to flip it to paint the outside.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Marcel Levesque on May 18, 2017, 12:58:24 PM
I've *always* made a habit of pre drilling holes in hardwoods whether it be for screws or nails.  Makes the job so much easier.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on May 18, 2017, 01:32:46 PM
Good idea Marcel. Also, when working with trim pieces that always want a snug fit, or pieces that will frequently be removed, I drill the piece I want to attach with a pilot hole at the shank diameter and the piece it is being attached to with a either one pilot hole under the thread width or two graduated pilot holes. This way, the trim board is always drawn up against the main piece.

Steve
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on May 18, 2017, 03:20:33 PM
Folks,
         I assume that the new doors were delivered sometime in the last month. I hope to see some pictures of how the doors were hung inside the now combine. Since there are two of them; it will make the car into a very useful piece of passenger equipment. Perhaps on a Thursday morning?

Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 18, 2017, 05:02:06 PM
As mentioned earlier, only one door was planned and will be hung for now. 8 is actually still a coach with one, side handicap door, since it does not have a partitioned baggage space.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 30, 2017, 07:39:49 AM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0527170741_zps4igmgsgt.jpg)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on May 30, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
Did any of the original WW&F coaches have toilet facilities, or are Maine folks tougher than the rest of us?
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on May 30, 2017, 04:30:16 PM
Did any of the original WW&F coaches have toilet facilities, or are Maine folks tougher than the rest of us?
Yes. Coach 3 has one, although without fixtures.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 02, 2017, 11:33:41 PM
Excellent job.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 03, 2017, 07:10:04 AM
Randy Beach and his team have really done a great job to get our Coach 8 modified per the original WW&F drawings for a baggage door, which will greatly assist our mobility impaired Museum members and our visiting guest.

The door project, like all our other projects such as the Dairying Car, Number 9, the current box car project and Number 11, the recreation of our buildings, and the list is endless, are all representative of the skill, craftsmanship and diligence of our volunteers.  A wonderful group of folks who are all lovers of narrow gauge railroading and are recreating history to share with current and future generations.

It is one of life's privileges to be a participant with such a wonderful group of people, and over time and in many small parts, add to the overall achievements of our WW&F Museum.

Bill
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 04, 2017, 06:42:13 PM
Absolutely, Bill. I always look forward to seeing and enjoying progress on the many fascinating projects, as, I'm sure, lots of the other WW&F fans across the world do.
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 29, 2017, 11:19:04 PM
A couple of pictures of coach 8 door install.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_0550.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_0545.jpg)

One more of the inside.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_0553.jpg)
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 01, 2017, 12:45:49 AM
Super job. Would suggest a couple door "D" handles mounted vertically, one inside just above the latch, the other outside  between latch height and car floor for easy access from ground level.
If you ever plan to run with the door open, a detachable safety chain or bar fastened to the outside door jambs at waist height would work.   
Title: Re: Coach 8 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 01, 2017, 03:37:13 PM
Per WW&F practice, the door stays closed when the car is in motion.  A period correct handle will be installed inside in the center of the door.  This will be a copy of an  original B&SR heavy cast handle that we are making duplicates of.