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Title: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on November 30, 2016, 12:07:59 PM
Anticipated work for Saturday December 3:

* ROW cleanup: Moving the joint bars from Alna Center area; moving the ties that were used to stack rail.  Maybe even move more rail (there's some small pieces stored near AC north yard limit, probably others we could move).
* Boxcar 67
* Victorian Christmas prep (just 3 Saturdays left): general area cleanup, platforms, etc (there's a list on Bay 4 chalkboard).
* Widening the parking lot entrance
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on November 30, 2016, 12:46:50 PM
Parking lot entrance will be widened Saturday.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 30, 2016, 06:07:51 PM
As a would-be maintenance manager, may I suggest filling the high-pedestrian, puddle areas between the shop and depot, shallow-ditching accumulating roof/ground moisture to behind the depot platform's lower area; then, after  widening vehicle access, spread gravel or ballast over bare areas in view of drivers on Cross Road.
Moisture, bare dirt is  the enemy of attracting riders.  ;)
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on November 30, 2016, 08:23:34 PM
That perpetual bowl in front of the shop has been a concern of mine for years. It is getting better, and we have a little more work to do before we get rid of it. Last thing we want to do is build it up much, because then it may run into the shop.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Ken Fleming on November 30, 2016, 10:14:38 PM
Do you mean to drain Lake Sheepscot?  Be still my heart.  My scooter needs water wings to cross it.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 01, 2016, 11:40:41 PM
Ken ...thanx for the needed laugh.
Lake Sheepscot would stay gone if Cross Road were lower, providing automatic drainage.
You'd probably have to get the county to put in a culvert under Cross toward the pond across the street. Uh huh. :-\
Good luck with a solution.
Another concern now is the increase in campus buildings,  turntable/area, more trackage, TOM development, boiler flanging, car building...more maintenance man-hours needed.  :P
But, here's hoping Victorian Christmas is busier than ever.
  
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 03, 2016, 10:50:32 PM
Work done on Saturday Dec 3:

* Weed whacking: Dwight worked at whacking between Trask and Alna Center.  He also did some whacking on Friday.
* Boxcar 67: Zack spent the day on starting to put down the floor.  Of course its not as easy as just putting boards down, where the bolt heads stick up has to be carved out, and there's a number of other obstacles until you get past the bolsters.  As I left mid-afternoon he had just finished the floor boards over the bolsters.
* General clean up: First thing Fred and I got joint bars at Alna Center and brought them back and unloaded them.  (Someday Fred hopes to sort them by size/holes/etc)  Then, since new victims had shown up, we went up to Albee's field and picked up all the tie piles that were used to store rail or as tie storage, and brought them back.  After lunch we loaded them in the truck and took them to the end of the road.  Then we went back to AC and picked up some shortish/lightish pieces of rail that were stored near the north yard limit, and brought them back.  The short and light pieces weren't nearly as short or light as I thought they were passing by them on the train.  Unrelated to what we were doing, Mike cut up the culvert piece he had brought back earlier this fall to take to scrap, using one piece to pop over the end of the culvert under the roundhouse track in order to pretend that it's a steel culvert.
* Parking lot entrance: Mike extended the parking lot entrance this morning, putting in an extra culvert piece that we had laying around and covering it up.  Between Steve on tractor and Mike on Kubota they got out enough fill from the piles at the end of the parking lot to level it off (the area where the fill was is very soft, so Mike got the Kubota firmly entrenched in the mud and proceeded to move dirt around, before extracting himself.
* Christmas prep: We purchased some small stone and Mike used the dozer to spread it around on the roundhouse run-through track.  This area will be a second boarding location for passengers, so it needs to be smooth walking.  Also Mike brought some newly constructed low platforms which were put down at that location and at AC.
* Magphone: John asked us to test the magphone between AC and SS, which we did.  It is A-OK.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 04, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
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Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 04, 2016, 12:12:28 AM
Thanks for the photos, Mike. That was a good idea to use the end of the old steel culvert to hide the plastic pipe. And wow! the entrance to the parking lot is really wide now.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 04, 2016, 01:40:20 AM
That idea for the culvert came to me this summer. Just glad I did it. Now I have a couple other ideas to use the rest of that piece for..and the scrap that was cut off LEFT THE PROPERTY. I did not store ot in a pile in the parkinglot. Johnny the Junkman got some free steel on my way home.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 04, 2016, 02:51:18 AM
Double wow Mike, Great entrance to the parking lot.  Also, the space between the car barn and the coal pile really is improved. 

I didn't understand one comment, will that space be used for passenger loading?  How will that work?

Bill
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 04, 2016, 12:35:17 PM
Train arrives in the North yard on the roundhouse lead, unloads the passengers while the engine is serviced. Engine uses turntable to run around the train while passengers are loading and ties back onto the train.

Two new platforms have been built for loading and unloading on the roundhouse lead that will be removed after Christmas.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 04, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
The free tickets will be given out in front of the Shop.

Train "A"  with #9 will leave and return from main line at Sheepscott Station.

Train "B" will leave and return from North Yard turntable lead. #52 will use turntable to run around it's train.

Both trains will meet at Alna Center.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 04, 2016, 04:15:32 PM
Thanks Joe, Dwight,

Will 52 be turned, or just use the turntable as a switch between the run thru track and the turntable lead?

What a class act utilizing the new turntable to give us more flexibility.  It also lets folks see the armstrong turntable in action.

Bill
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 04, 2016, 08:24:22 PM
Actually Dwight has it backwards.  Because of servicing time/etc, #9's train leaves from the North Yard.  #52's train leaves from the Sheepscot platform.  I don't recall which designation belongs to which train.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 04, 2016, 08:44:23 PM
This year we're using the designations "red" and "yellow" (instead of a,b), in order to correspond with the red and yellow (free) tickets we'"" be issuing.  Tickets are being issued to assist with crowd control.  Red is steam (think fire) and yellow is diesel (think 5-gallon plastic diesel can).

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 04, 2016, 09:08:35 PM
Red and Yellow? Starting to sound like a Thomas the Tank Engine theme..
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 05, 2016, 12:27:16 AM
No, Thomas is Blue and Red dad.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: John Kokas on December 05, 2016, 02:32:51 AM
Joe,  why do I believe that you watched Shining Time Station and Thomas when you were little?   I watched with my son and he's a railroader also..... :)
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 05, 2016, 03:47:30 AM
Lol. Sure did.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on December 05, 2016, 03:09:43 PM
Now that were getting snow I think it's time to be getting burning permits to cut and burn brush. I think we have cleaned up the right of way as much as we can for this Fall.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 05, 2016, 06:40:23 PM
Got a pile of scrapwood at Sheepscot we could get rid of. Lots of cleaning cod be done with a burn pile
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 05, 2016, 08:03:30 PM
Unfortunately we still have more brush cutting to do from MP 7 to ToM that NEEDS to be done for our January and February events.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 05, 2016, 10:35:34 PM
Joe's right; the brush cutting is really important to help produce a successful photography event.  He's been doing a fabulous job of getting this done- but I'm sure he'd be encouraged by some help.

I'm in NY this week assisting with the preparation of our boiler parts.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Greg Klein on December 06, 2016, 02:16:07 PM
I'll be up this Saturday. Happy to cut brush or do other need-to-happen stuff.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 06, 2016, 02:45:43 PM
I will be there. But how deep is the snow? Don't want to cut brush with snow on the ground.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 06, 2016, 02:53:56 PM
There's only a couple of inches of snow on the ground.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 06, 2016, 03:34:00 PM
Greg, I would like to head right out around 730. Others are welcome to join later in the day if someone is available to bring more up. I suspect we should be done by 3-330.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Greg Klein on December 07, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Ok Joe,  I'll try to get there by 7:30.  If I miss you, I can drive to AC.  Where will you start in the Morning?
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 07, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
Anticipated work for Saturday Dec 10.

* Board meeting Friday evening 4:30 until we get tired of talking
* ROW weed whacking
* Boxcar 67
* Fred's eager to get out and cut trees at TOM. 

With just 1 weekend left to Victorian Christmas, we'll probably have few volunteers on site.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 08, 2016, 12:22:11 AM
I would like to start at Mp7 and work north to ToM. Most of the east side between Rosewood and ToM was done a few weeks ago. If time permits I may try to squeeze in a track inspection but we will see.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 08, 2016, 02:04:28 AM
If time permits I may try to squeeze in a track inspection but we will see.

Joe, 

I just found out that I will have a much larger block of time in Maine this summer.  In remembering a conversation we had during the FWW, and if it hasn't happened by then, I plan on finishing replacing the missing joint bar bolts, then, if nothing else is more pressing, I will work on changing out the joint bars that are rubbing the wheel flanges.

Bill
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 08, 2016, 12:19:28 PM
Rather than cut trees, I will be at Sheepscot working on organizing stored stuff. It is supposed to be cold, so there won't be much dirt moving, but I have a plan on starting to clear out the parking lot.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 08, 2016, 03:01:47 PM
We probably need to move tie parking markers out of the way, so that we can plow if needed.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 08, 2016, 04:43:56 PM
After Victorian Christmas, so to keep the parking organized during the event
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 08, 2016, 05:18:23 PM
The hydro fluid and engine oil has been changed in the truck so the plow can go on Saturday.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 08, 2016, 08:59:13 PM
How much snow is there?
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 09, 2016, 03:28:02 AM
About an inch now.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Greg Klein on December 09, 2016, 01:58:29 PM
The weather shows a high of 23 degrees in Alna tomorrow with the morning starting at 15. 
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 10, 2016, 10:37:31 PM
Work done on Saturday December 10:

* Weed whack: Joe and Greg whacked weeds from MP 7 down to Top O' Mountain on both sides before lunch.
* Boxcar 67: Zack and Dwight put on more floor on the boxcar.  Getting close to 3/4 done.  All truck parts appear to be together on floor.  "Some assembly required."
* Parking lot cleanup: I hope Mike took a "before" picture this morning.  Many 2-3 foot stubs of ties were stored near the woods track, most of the rest went to the junk man at the end of Cross Road.  Timbers, ties, boards, etc. etc. were moved or put on the burn pile, which was a pile of random lumber west of the garage and behind the machines stored for resale.  Mike managed to move most of the power line poles onto a storage pile beyond the parking area on the west side.  Mike was starting to move the short trailer to between the garage and woods track when I left, and he was also going to try to move the big trailer and the Yeti out of the way (the key to the Yeti is in NH, so moving it would be challenging).  When I left there was room for many more cars to park.  Oh, and we took up the parking lot row marker ties.
* Winter prep: The Dodge now has its snowplow on.  #52's plow was moved from the parking lot to next to a track, but didn't make it on the engine.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Tom Casper on December 10, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
WOW, a very busy Saturday!

Tom C.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2016, 12:13:23 AM
I wish I would have taken a before picture. A very progressive effort today, and we gained about 10 spots. And looks much more presentable.

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Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2016, 12:16:09 AM
I guess I did take a before picture. Last weeks culvert installation pictures. Clutter is visible in the background..
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 11, 2016, 02:04:44 AM
Also more charter clean up was done today as well. JB, Greg, and I relocated a culvert from in front of the Whitefield section house to being beside the tip cars next to the woods track.

A very productive day.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 12, 2016, 09:14:40 PM
Hello folks,

If you are able to or are planning on attending Victorian Christmas and can assist with crew, we are still several people short of filling out the crew sheet.  Unless you responded to the crew caller email, please respond here if you are able to come, or if you were already planning on coming (to confirm).  This call includes volunteers who are not train crew qualified- we need all the help we can get!

Crew Meeting Saturday Morning 9:30AM Sheepscot Station.

Thank you,
Jason
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 13, 2016, 02:14:24 PM
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Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Charlie Lacasse on December 14, 2016, 08:07:49 AM
I'm planning on being there for victorian christmas to help out. I've been waiting to see if I was going to have to work or not. I'm not crew certified but I'm sure I can help out in some way.

see ya there,
Charlie
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 14, 2016, 12:04:38 PM
Anticipated work for Saturday December 17: Victorian Christmas

I think our most pressing need is crowd control: for platforms at Sheepscot and the one platform at Alna Center; for parking (typically we end up with folks way out on Rt 218); for guidance, etc.  Tickets will be distributed from the Preble's flag stop building, which currently is located at the Southwest corner of the shop building.

The day is supposed to start very cold (getting warmer during the day), and the forecast has snow coming during the day.  So while we're expecting another record crowd, we may not get it.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Greg Klein on December 14, 2016, 05:54:59 PM
I'll be there!  Also will try to make it on Friday.  This will be a cold weekend.  Windchill is supposed to be very bad.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Charlie Lacasse on December 14, 2016, 07:06:57 PM
Hey Steve,
I accept your offer and I look forward to working with bob heating up the water. I am ready and willing.


See you there,
Charlie
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 15, 2016, 07:43:40 PM
Operating Plan change:

Due to the weather forecast for Saturday, which we suspect will cause both a smaller public showing and fewer volunteers, we have changed our operating plan to a single train operation.  

If you have a long distance to travel to help us- please be careful.  If you can't make it due to the weather- do not worry- we won't hold it against you and will still put you to work the next time you come!

If you decide not to come, please let us know.  We still have a basic crew need across the board (crowd control, parking, train crew, refreshments, etc), so we'd like to plan according to who we expect, if possible.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 15, 2016, 08:38:47 PM
I think we should still plan on a 2 train operation, just in case. At least be ready with the second train on standby
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 17, 2016, 10:44:54 PM
Work done on Saturday December 17:

* Victorian Christmas.  It started snowing before 7, and was starting to come to an end around 4.  We got 4 or 5 inches.  It was also somewhat cold, temp was 6 this morning and is might have got up to early 20s.  All this to say we broke no records today.  We may have gotten 500.  We had no trouble fitting people on the trains.  Just one train set.  We turned #52 on the table so the plow pointed south, and 52 pulled the train south while 9 pulled it north.
* Boxcar 67: After Zack got wet getting the water tank filled he decided to stay at Sheepscot, so he finished flooring the boxcar.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 18, 2016, 12:58:34 AM
8"-10" of fresh snow here and -15* with wind chill -30*
Brrrrrr.........
Aurora, CO
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 18, 2016, 01:56:16 AM
First train of the day..a little different photo than I shared on facebook.

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Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 18, 2016, 02:33:07 AM
When I stopped by the museum a little after 7 last night it was -9*F and in Head Tide, -10*F.

Yes -- Brrrr!
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 18, 2016, 02:47:45 AM
A shaky video of the last train of the day.

https://youtu.be/bfKKuvqqixc (https://youtu.be/bfKKuvqqixc)
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 18, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
Nice video Mike, instead of fade to black it's fade to steam.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 18, 2016, 12:23:44 PM
Channel 8 stopped by yesterday too

http://www.wmtw.com/article/ww-f-railway-museum-holds-16th-annual-victorian-christmas/8511909 (http://www.wmtw.com/article/ww-f-railway-museum-holds-16th-annual-victorian-christmas/8511909)
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 18, 2016, 05:24:40 PM
Hansel has a nice video up on Youtube already:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmSnGHUqvZM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmSnGHUqvZM)
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 18, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
Very nice, Hansel.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Gordon Cook on December 18, 2016, 08:12:51 PM
View from 9's cab...
It was pretty cold in the morning but 9 was still warm from the fire up on Wednesday, so it wasn't too long before we got some steam. First casualty from the cold was the vacuum brake valve, which had frozen in the time she was outside. A little of Zack's blow torch and we fixed that.
Other than that, fire up went well, Wes Carpenter was the fireman, and we headed up to the north yard switch and backed down to the enginehouse lead where Fred was waiting with coal. We topped off the bunker and returned to the yard switch which wouldn't close for the main. After some fussing and kicking Jason came up and advised us that was the way it was, kicked the handle closed, and away we went to couple up to our train.
Getting the first train with the 3 coaches and 554 out of Sheepscot was interesting. I opened the throttle and she slipped, which necessitated taking slack and then we got moving. Clearly the cold coach journals and the snow on the rails were going to make a fun day. With the johnson bar in the corner and plenty of throttle, 9 would slip and catch,  slip and catch. Finally past the water tower she settled down to a hard pull, spinning over Jane's Way crossing before catching again and marching up to Davis. Up to that point I had trouble getting much of a roll on the train before the slipping took over but hoped things would improve before we got to Sutters and Cockeye Curve.
Just at Davis, we felt a serious thump, I looked at Wes, and he looked at me, and shortly we got a stop from Josh, who was braking on the coach behind us. We found out a coupler between 554 and the Bridgton coach has released, so the diesel came up and grabbed the caboose and took it back to Sheepscot.

With the 3 coaches it was a little easier and we hit Sutter's at a good pace. Cockeye Curve quickly slowed us again to a steady slip and catch all the way to Sheepscot Mills. Sometimes 9 would slip constantly so the drivers were spinning a little too fast for the actual speed, but would hold there and not get out of hand. (You can hear this in Hansel's video) At this point I was starting to gain a little confidence that I could leave the throttle open and she wouldn't completely lose her feet, and could control her more with the johnson bar.
Past Hummason we got up a little speed and we hit the grade in pretty good shape, proceeding from Trask to Alna at a slow but steady pace, barking loudly.

That was the worst trip, but on all but the last trip with just two coaches I felt like we were pretty close to the maximum we could handle on Cockeye curve. Wes did a great job on the fire and we didn't get below 100# all day. 9 likes a heavy exhaust and actually it's a little easier to keep steam up as long as you shovel fast enough.  

The other interesting feature was that the vacuum brakes were much, much less effective with the combination of cold and snow. This made spotting the engine at the water tank and stopping for the station pretty exciting.

Thank you to everyone who made this all possible. It was certainly a real Maine winter event.




Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Tom Casper on December 18, 2016, 08:30:03 PM
Thanks Gordon for the nice note for the away crowd!  Happy Holidays to all NG fans.

Tom C.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 18, 2016, 08:35:17 PM
Some years, while riding and chasing the Cumbres & Toltec trains on the 4% grade from Chama up to Cumbres Pass, I noted the engineers never touched the throttles. Even when the engines slipped on the Route 17 crossings, they never touched the throttles. As needed, they would adjust the Johnson bar momentarily, but otherwise allowed the forward momentum of the train to carry them past the slippery spot. I've observed the same at Cass, too, though I noticed the engineers there occasionally would hit the sander valve to keep going.

Thanks for that great description from the right-hand side, Gordon.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: John Kokas on December 18, 2016, 08:44:48 PM
Does #9 not have sanders, or are they not operational at this time?
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 18, 2016, 11:44:51 PM
#9 has forward sanders, but in the snow all sanders tend to clog up with snow and freeze.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 19, 2016, 01:57:23 AM
Don't I remember that No. 9's sand pipes are between the drivers, providing sand under one set of drivers no matter which way the engine is running? No doubt, though, that the ends of the sand pipes were clogged with snow.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 19, 2016, 02:23:05 AM
52 had the same trouble southbound. I slowed per slow order for cockeyed curve, and on the second or third trip, was never able to recover the speed and crossed Brook Crossing at a snails pace.
Davis Grade was slick every trip after that. I tried several times, feathering the throttle to regain traction, but eventually settled on to what Wayne said. Leave the throttle alone, which in my case was wide open from Sheepscot Mills to Brook Crossing.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Steve Smith on December 19, 2016, 02:27:29 AM
Congratulations, Gordon and Mike, for meeting the challenges Ma Nature threw at you yesterday, and thanks for the descriptions!
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 19, 2016, 04:31:21 AM
View from BRV B&SR coach #11...

The train Saturday started out as WW&F locomotive #9, museum coach #8, W&Q coach #3, Boothbay Railway Village's B&SR coach #11, and Brian Fanslau's Edaville caboose #554.  

Gordon and Mike provided nice descriptions of their experiences in the locomotives.  I was one of several brakemen on the train Saturday.  I was on the southern end of B&SR coach #11, coupled onto Edaville caboose #554 on the train's first run from Sheepscot.

Conductor Jonathan St. Mary was taking passenger counts (from south to north) on the first train north, and as he was crossing from caboose #554 to coach #11, the coupling let go between the coach and the caboose a little bit south of Brook Crossing.  The safety chains did their job in keeping the caboose attached to the train.  Jonathan went forward to alert the engine crew, while brakemen relayed a stop signal to the engine crew.  I was impressed how quickly we stopped -- the train stopped just north of the crossing.  Nice job by Jonathan, Eric, Dave, Josh and the #9 engine crew for quickly responding to the situation.

Since we didn't immediately know the cause of the problem, we decided to cut off #554.  Mike was following behind on #52, so he could take the caboose back to Sheepscot.  I asked the handful of passengers on #554 to move to #11.  They kindly agreed to do so.  We then continued north to Alna Center after Mike coupled onto #554 and took it south.

This was the first run of the day.  WW&F #9 struggled to get us over the grade through cock-eye curve, but the engine crew did the job and got us through.  It was an impressive show to see from the south end of the train.  From my perspective the runs the rest of the day were easier, but the #9 crew's viewpoint might differ!

For the last trains of the day, #9 ran around the train at Alna Center.  Everything was fine other than the south switch, which wouldn't lock for the siding.  It took four of us to persuade the east point to settle into place in the cold.

It was a nasty day weather-wise -- temperatures in the teens and a moderate snow storm all day.  Our visitors were what -- about a third or a bit more than that in 2015? -- but from what I saw families were having a great time.  I did feel badly for Santa and his wife in their cold lean-to at Alna Center!  I am grateful this is the first time I could volunteer for Victorian Christmas.

Saturday provided me a small glimpse into the experience of winter operations of the Maine two-footers 100+ years ago.  We're fortunate we have the opportunity to recreate this.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 19, 2016, 12:26:55 PM
Thanks for that, Bill. And thanks to everyone who braved the cold and snow to make the day a success.

Happy Holidays to all!

Cheers -- Wayne
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 19, 2016, 12:46:12 PM
OK time for my view from the ground.  Mike, Josh and I assembled the train in the morning.  Temps were hovering around zero.  Nothing wanted to couple up, it seemed.  There was a lot of drag and stop, and hope that the coupler caught.  It took over an hour to get the train assembled.

In the afternoon around 3 it was time to start preparations to put stuff away.  Eric and I went to clean out switches.  Since before that time there had been no run-arounds, none of the switches had been cleaned out.  When the train returned, 9 set out a car, then took a 2 car train north, leaving 52 behind.  We turned 52 on the turntable and went to put stuff away.  By 4 we had managed to get the two cars put away.  Couplers were more cooperative this time around.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 19, 2016, 01:33:46 PM
Don't I remember that No. 9's sand pipes are between the drivers, providing sand under one set of drivers no matter which way the engine is running? No doubt, though, that the ends of the sand pipes were clogged with snow.

Wayne, #10 has the sand pipe in between the two drivers. #9 has the sand pipe in front of the front driver so that both wheels get sand when traveling forward. This is how the engine was built, so that was the way it was restored.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Gordon Cook on December 19, 2016, 03:40:02 PM
The snow was really packed in all around the drivers, rods, and valve gear. Between the steam, snow, and cold oil, it was just about impossible to effectively oil the valve gear.
I tried the sanders but couldn't tell much difference. Probably either none was getting to the rail or the 1/4" of snow on the rails rendered the sand ineffective.
The brakes were pretty useless. The good news was that the rolling resistance was enough to stop the train reasonably quickly.
It's hard for this desk jockey to imagine running a train in those conditions day after day. Experience would help a lot, but still a tough, tough job.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: John McNamara on December 19, 2016, 03:57:38 PM
It's time for a report from the Alna Center station agent. First of all, a big note of thanks to Stewart Rhine and Greg Klein for their help in herding the visitors over to the boarding area ("boarding lounge?") on the east side of Alna Center sufficiently in advance of train arrival to allow clear space on the west side for arriving passengers. The arrivals-to-the-west / departures-from the-east system worked very well. All loading and unloading took place at the crossing, but could have easily been accomplished in more parallel fashion had passenger volumes required it.

Low passenger volume also permitted the use of a single train pulled north by 9 and south by 52, eliminating the need for run-arounds. The one exception was the last trip, where Number 9 was used in both directions thanks to shovel work at the switches by Bryce Weeks, Dan ,Buczkowski Malkowski, and Rider Strano.

In the toasty warm station, visiting children created Christmas ornaments guided by craftspeople Laura Rochette, Virginia Blake, and Norman Blake. Outside, children enjoyed visits with Santa Steve Zuppa and Mrs. Santa Kathy Zuppa, but the main attraction (as in previous years) was sliding down the stone and gravel piles left in preparation for future work further north.
 
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 19, 2016, 04:36:08 PM
Running in the snow is fun. The key is to pre warm the shoes before stopping. And brakemen must be extra careful not to skid wheels. Train brakes are a wonderful thing for an engineer because in the cab in the winter you can feel when the brakes lock up and start skidding because if you are going downhill you will actually pick up speed like on a sled. Not a pleasant feeling.

When running in the snow, its easy for an engineer to control the train with train brakes because he knows where to set the brakes to make them effective. But a conductor or brakemen hearing a call for brakes may just turn the wheel as tight as they can, causing the wheels to stop rather than warm the shoes. I can imagine it took some real experience back in the day to understand what needed to be done.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on December 19, 2016, 05:55:27 PM
All;
Lest anyone from away think that I have a good looking son named Dan, our enthusiastic volunteer that helped clear the switches is Dan Malkowski. Many thanks to Dan, Bryce and Rider for their able and welcomed assistance on Saturday.
KD
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 19, 2016, 07:20:56 PM
I'm guessing many of the issues experienced by Gordon in #9 would have been greatly mitigated had we run a flanger up the line first.  Someone asked if #9 could handle the 4 car train OK, and I had said no problem, it used to handle a dozen loaded wood cars on the Sandy River in the winter.  However, I bet the majority of the line had been flanged first, and without flanger help the train would have been smaller.  That first trip probably all the track was snow covered, so #9 was crunching through the snow and making near ice with the first wheel and getting rid of the ice with the second.  Then the train's trucks tend to fill in the path they just made behind them, so every truck is fighting momentum.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 19, 2016, 09:09:20 PM
Funny you should mention that.  Tomorrow I'm picking up material and we will begin construction of a flanging attachment to 52's plow.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: John McNamara on December 19, 2016, 10:00:14 PM
Does this mean we'll be adding flanger warning signs?  ;D
Please realize that I'm kidding. The original railway didn't have them, and engineers are supposed to know where the crossings and switches are.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 19, 2016, 10:16:18 PM
Don't forget the original railway had only a couple of engineers who worked nearly every day. It's easy to forget exactly where a crossing is, especially the ones that aren't used much. I don't think some sort of discrete "signal," like what fire departments use to indicate hydrants, would be obnoxious. Rather that then a derailment!
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 19, 2016, 10:17:47 PM
The first model is down to rail head only...

Modifiable.

Jason
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 19, 2016, 11:12:26 PM
There is one photo that shows a flanger sign on the original WW&F, it's a 6" wide piece of wood (probably 2" thick) nailed near the top of a post.  It's about 2' long, unpainted with no lettering.  There may have been markings at one time but when the photo was taken in the late 1920's it was just bare wood.

Now, on to Victorian Christmas -

As usual, days and weeks of preparation went into the event.  Here are a few of the jobs done prior to December 17th:

* Steam - Jason, Jonathan and the shop crew got #9 ready (including a midweek fire up) and spent part of a day unloading B&SR coach 11.  The weekday crew also put benches on the flatcar in case we needed it.

* Campus - Joe Fox built new temporary platforms for Sheepscot and AC.  These will be handy unloading passengers at non depot locations.  An entire day went into plowing the parking lot and driveway and another day was spent putting up Christmas decorations and lights on Sheepscot Station.  Phil, Steve L. and others made train direction signs with Greg working on train tickets.

* Treats - As can be seen in the photo of the freight house, the cookies and treats covered most of the counters.  Many people baked cookies and snacks including Nancy Weeks, Cindy Rhine and Amy Preston from the Alna Store.  Another job for the kitchen crew was preparing and packing 40+ lunch bags for the train and Alna Center crews.  This was much appreciated!

* Alna Center - Steve Z. spent a good bit of time setting up trees, decorations and lights for Santa's lodge.  It really looked nice.  Candy canes and WW&F gift bells were donated for Santa and Mrs Claus to give out.  Laura and the craft crew brought supplies for the kids to make Christmas decorations in the AC depot.  Fred donated a truckload of seasoned firewood for the bonfire which was a very popular spot.

The weather kept some people away but still 500+ showed up.  Everyone I spoke to said they had a wonderful time, some thanked us for holding the event with the snow.  We thanked them for making the trip to visit the railroad.  Interest level from those who attended and those who wanted to attend is high.  As of tonight the VC photo album on facebook has been seen by over 10,875 people.  Thanks to everyone who helped make it another great Christmas at the WW&F.    
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 20, 2016, 12:42:31 AM
Gail Ciampa also provided a generous supply of delicious treats Saturday.

While the weather kept the attendance down this year, we did have the opportunity to try out one of the portable platforms Joe built for the first couple of trains.  I thought it worked out very well and expect they will be well-used for future events.  Thanks, Joe.

The folks who did the prep work in the days leading up to the event are unsung heroes.  Despite the weather, I thought the day went very well thanks to the work done in advance.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 20, 2016, 01:12:34 AM
Plow crews on any railroad use track guys to run wings and flangers. Why? Because no one knows the road better than they do when it comes to obstacles.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 20, 2016, 01:49:04 AM
Except on short lines, where the train guys are the track guys are the mechanics are the sales and marketing guys are etc., etc.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Greg Klein on December 20, 2016, 02:51:23 PM
I'll second what John said about things at Alna Center.  The crowd was easy to manage due to the lower numbers.   Boarding and unboarding at the crossing was great as it was stable and flat with no need for steps at all.  Folks were getting a bit cold but the fire and station were nice and warm.  Lots of continuous sweeping of snow off of the platform and clearing the crossing.  Fantastic views of #9 approaching the station.   
At the end of the day, before the last train made its way up, there were no guests at all at AC.  The snow was falling hard and the silence was so peaceful.  We could hear #9's whistle clearly from Sheepscot.  The echo would reverberate eerily for 30 seconds in the dense, snowy air.  We could hear the echo bouncing back from a northerly direction, feeling like we were under a big dome.  Good times!
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Ken Fleming on December 20, 2016, 03:02:53 PM
We need to get a propane torch like below for melt ice/snow from switches.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Portable-Propane-Weed-Torch-Burner-Fire-Starter-Ice-Melter-Melting-w-Nozzles-/171350910636?hash=item27e54f66ac:g:lGIAAOSwPhdU7yJC

heck Harbor Feight or local hardware store.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 20, 2016, 10:38:51 PM
Good way to burn the ties. Proper clearing with shovels and brooms is a must, no matter what is used. The problem with heat is eventually that water freezes.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 20, 2016, 11:28:24 PM
Snow and ice within the gauge were not the issue with the south Alna Center switch -- the points were clear thanks to Bryce and team's work, but the east point would not snuggle tight with the main line rail.  The problem appeared to be a lip on the point rail that was supposed to slide under the main line rail head but was reluctant in the cold.

Wes brought down a bar from #9 which gently persuaded the point to drop down into place.

Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 20, 2016, 11:46:03 PM
IIRC, the south Alna switch can be a bit tight even on a beautiful day.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 21, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Anticipated work for Saturday December 24:

* Boxcar 67
* Tree cutting at TOM
* Inventorying store merchandise
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 21, 2016, 11:53:15 PM
Half day for me. Thought about getting the seats off of 126.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on December 22, 2016, 12:42:19 PM
I think most people will only want to work half a day. We could clear all the switches and road crossings as it's supposed to be warmer all week. We have to keep the track clear for the special trains in Jan.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 22, 2016, 03:03:32 PM
also one charter in Feb.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Ken Fleming on December 22, 2016, 09:17:04 PM
It's time to order a bundle switch brooms and station them at mainline switches.  Also stick a couple onboard train.  Easy to find do a internet search for them.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 22, 2016, 10:33:54 PM
Best I found was $24.95 each, $249.95 for a dozen (saves ~ $50).  http://firesafetyusa.com/item.aspx/track-switch-broom-with-chisel/

Figure one each at Alna, the section house, the track house, Sheepscot, Coach 8 or 3, each caboose, 10 and 52 and TOM and you have positioned 10 with two spares.

A piece of PVC Pipe secured to a structure or loco provides a convenient storage location.

Bill
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 22, 2016, 10:54:33 PM
Buy a box, put it in the tool house. Put a couple of brooms on each engine, maybe a couple in the caboose. They surely aren't going out on the track with an engine. If you have a situation like last Saturday, issue a couple of brooms to extra guys to keep the switches clear. If you place brooms at the switches, someone will forget where they belong and they will be buried in the snow until spring!
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 22, 2016, 11:51:11 PM
And you can use a switch broom to carry a knuckle.
Put the broom through the hole in the knuckle and then two people can easily carry one back to where a broken one has parted a train.
I have carried a few that way, but many years ago.

Keith
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on December 23, 2016, 12:10:34 AM
Luckily knuckles don't break on our railroad. And if they ever do, someone did something seriously wrong. With our railroad it makes the most sense to keep a broom or two on each train, Alna Center, tool house, and maybe one in the shop.

Even the freight railroads here keep switch brooms limited. No one has the money to supply each car, switch, or engine with a broom. That doesn't make financial sense. But what does make sense is if plowing or snowing, make sure to get the tools needed.

Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on December 23, 2016, 12:36:41 AM
Maine Central RR used to keep them at many switches on a simple stand. A tall stake driven in the ground with two small boards nailed opposite each other and sloping slightly toward the stake. The broom hung bristles up - always at the ready - no need to lug them around. You'd think they would have 'walked away' by the hundreds but whatever losses were incurred were deemed worth the convenience by management.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 23, 2016, 01:35:55 AM
Someone (Dwight?) bought us a box years ago.  We still have more than a half dozen from that.  They usually stay with 52 as it's usually on all snow duty efforts. 

Remember if we decide to station them, any permenant fixtures need to look in keeping with the era we represent, so pvc stands may not fit too well. 

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on December 23, 2016, 04:58:27 AM
Use Black ABS cut in narrow strip to resemble leather.

Better yet get a green maple sapling and bend in a hoop
Grape vine would even better this time of year.
Fastened to post
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 23, 2016, 12:35:34 PM
Jason and crew have been working on adding a flanger to 52's snow plow.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_9587.jpg)
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 23, 2016, 01:08:06 PM
Do I remember correctly reading in an earlier post that the bottom of the flanger was at rail head height? 

Perhaps our RowMow crew could find a used tractor rear scraper blade lift assembly to mount behind 52 to provide a real flanger that could be lifted for the switches.

Of course what we don't need is another project.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 23, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
This device will be a real, retractable flanger.  Being mounted on the plow frame means one less thing we have to store, and when the plow is reversed at ToM, so is the flanger.  The flanging mechanism will be pneumatically operated.

Jason
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 23, 2016, 04:11:27 PM
Well, it looks like our innovation and manufacturing crew is, again, cleverly and diligently at work.  In looking at the picture it looks like the flanger blade is welded to the square tube, which is welded to the existing plow.  Does this mean that the entire plow mounting will be modified so it can be raised?
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 23, 2016, 08:44:14 PM
RowMow flanger idea was a rear mounted york rake with the tines removed or shortened for rail. Just a small one like one towed behind a small garden tractor, with rail wheels and some added weight.

This design of Jasons is much more durable, and should be very effective.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 23, 2016, 10:42:42 PM
Most of the remaining Denver & Rio Grande narrow gauge engines were fitted with similar air-operated flanger blades behind the pilot and ahead of the cylinder saddle. If you look carefully at photos, you can sometimes see the air cylinders, mounted vertically under the smokebox.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 23, 2016, 10:56:29 PM
Wayne...as Ed McMann used to answer  Johnny Carson's comic statements--"You are correct, sir!"
Since C&TS only runs  a couple Christmas trains in the winter, their flangers are never used, may not be hooked up anymore. Never really noticed when I volunteered in the Chama choo-choo shop.

And Merry Christmas to all 2-Foot Gauge Fans across the world!
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 24, 2016, 06:54:53 PM
Work done on Saturday December 24:

* Counting store inventory - DONE!  A big thanks to Fred who sat and counted and categorized magnets the entire time!  Linda and I counted the rest.  I came over on Friday and counted most of the upstairs stuff.
* Mike worked around on the tractor.  I know he removed the seats from 126, I heard him puttering around elsewhere but don't know what else he did.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 24, 2016, 07:58:51 PM
Merry Christmas to all you hard-working Maine Railroaders from way down here in Texas!!
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 24, 2016, 08:58:55 PM
I also picked up the portable platforms and stacked them out of the way, moved some forms from near the coal pocket back over behind Brendans dump truck, moved the small trailer for easier plowing by the garage, and dug out the steel needed for the trailer modification. Also got all the cones that were in the parking lot broke out of the ice and picked up, and fixed a pull cord on the older power saw. It is a short pull so be careful. At least till we get some new starter rope. I think that was it.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on December 28, 2016, 12:10:51 PM
Anticipated work for Saturday Dec 31, 2016.

* Cleanup after Friday's storm
* Boxcar 67
* ToM tree cutting?
* Prep for the big photo shoots.

At midnight we'll drop our Waterford Crystal ball from the top of the car shop, while we all sing Auld Lang Syne, while millions watch on live TV.  Oh, wait, that's New York City.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on December 28, 2016, 12:29:15 PM
I'd rather see a MONEY BALL drop from the top of the car shop!
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on December 29, 2016, 07:22:49 PM
On a side note related to the museum's flanger project, I am posting two links to images at the B&MRR historical society's page which show 'mini plows' affixed to either side of cow catchers mounted on 440 locomotives. Really just scrapers in front of each lead wheel and designed to be retractable - though not while in motion. The section crews would have needed to be sure that all planking at crossings etc was below rail top height.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/31697946485/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/31697946255/in/photostream/
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on December 31, 2016, 11:05:25 PM
Line was cleared today to TOM. All crossings were cleaned and 5 trees moved, first of which is seen below, just North of Brook Crossing. Snow on the rail was very tough. Lots of ice in it. Several times I had to back up and get a run at it. Even down hill. Had to back up on Davis grade twice and were plowing snow going down the ladder, and had to back up once there. Flangeways at the crossings were solid ice, with Janes Way and Brook Crossing complete ice. But Dave B, J.B and myself picked away at them...

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/1231160918a_zps4jz9fmbf.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/1231160946_zpstkdk39ho.jpg)
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Steve Smith on January 01, 2017, 02:08:58 AM
Mike, Dave and J.B., you deserve the Medal of Honor for ridding the line of all the @#$%^&* ice!

Idle Dreamer Department: Someday, an adaptation for Big Joe to chip the ice out of the flangeways. Or maybe a generator of superheated steam jets to melt/blast it out.
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on January 01, 2017, 02:21:00 AM
Steve, I believe something to that effect was mentioned to me today by Dave B. Know anyone with a starter engine for a Chinook helicopter?
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 01, 2017, 02:24:51 AM
The real mistake was that I couldn't get in to clear the line yesterday when it was 38 degrees. I do apologize, and thank you guys for the long haul today...

Jason
Title: Re: December 2016 Work Planning
Post by: Dwight Winkley on January 01, 2017, 03:00:43 AM
Boxcar 67
Zack, Fred, John, & Dwight drilled the floorboards from under the car up thou the new floor planks. These holes are for the metal rods that hold the roof to the rest of the boxcar.

The frame was then jacked up a little and a layer of the blocking was removed. The floor now being lower will make it easier  to install the cars posts between the floor and roof frame stored overhead.

12 side posts were milled on the ends

4 corner posts and 4 door posts had more work done to them.