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Title: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 12, 2015, 12:10:38 AM
This car is something several of us worked through the summer on, starting in early June when I went to inspect it. Many negotiations and a couple random inspections later, it landed on it's new home rails a week and a half ago. It is mostly complete, missing a little bit of hardware and a door. And it does need attention. Sitting outside all these years has not helped it any. We are pleased to have it, and will serve us well, no matter how we use it.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on October 12, 2015, 12:55:57 AM
Wow, that IS exciting news! I think it'll look and feel right at home with us. A nice addition to photo freights. ;)
On a related note, it looks like there might be room for a car or three outside the car shed on the lead tracks. (NOT that I'm trying to immediately jam those spaces with equipment, but... )
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 12, 2015, 01:34:10 AM
Bridgton & Saco River Railroad boxcar #67 -

Built by the Laconia Works in 1905

Capacity: 30,000lbs, car has 4 truss rods.

Inside length: 29 ft. 8 inches.
Width:  6 ft. 11 inches wide.
Height: 6 ft. 1.5 inches = 1,108 cubic feet of space

Doors: 5 feet X 5 feet 11 inches

Car has buffer blocks and metal corner braces at the bottom.

 
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on October 12, 2015, 03:33:07 AM
That's GREAT NEWS!!!

Sounds like a win -win!


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 12, 2015, 11:19:28 AM
For those of you that don't get to Facebook - the B&SR boxcar:
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/12140890_10153297031461871_1530561362821605209_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 12, 2015, 11:49:45 AM
Here. Let me unwrap it for you. This is how it appeared in June.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Win Nowell on October 12, 2015, 03:25:45 PM
Looks like it needs a coat of paint - just like #9 needed a little boiler work!
Great addition! What else do they have that is surplus to their needs?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 12, 2015, 10:17:11 PM
Do the original builders drawings exist for the boxcar?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on October 12, 2015, 11:27:46 PM
Will the ("new") boxcar retain its old # & markings?
Even though there was no interchange with the B&SR
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 13, 2015, 12:52:31 AM
The car will be restored as a box car and keep it's original number.  As to lettering, it's too early to know how that'll go.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 13, 2015, 01:22:32 AM
Several cars on both railroads only had numbers for a time. So it would not be out of the question to just have the number on it. In fact, I may have a photo of it in just the number..
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on October 13, 2015, 01:39:50 AM
Do we have any info on WW&F #67 (assuming there was one) and how it compares to the new acquisition?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 13, 2015, 06:21:38 AM
I don't have my copy of Two Feet to Tidewater handy to verify from the roster in back, but I believe WW&F No. 67 was also a boxcar, coincidentally. In Big Dreams and Little Wheels there is a picture of it and two other boxcars left on the siding at China station after abandonment. The only marking visible on it is the number.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on October 14, 2015, 04:14:43 AM
I know it is skipping ahead but-
Will you splice in lower sections of outside sheathing where the uppers are sound?

Is the sheathing Redwood? or Douglas Fir? The rolling doors and the gable ends of the
chicken house are all Redwood here at the farm in MN>
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 14, 2015, 02:52:04 PM
The WW & F has received B & SR # 67 from the Maine Narrow Gauge Museum to add to our collection. The other two cars in the pictures went to Maine Locomotive & Machine for restoration.

On 9/18/15 a crew from the WW&F and Maine Locomotive & Machine went to Portland to brace and tarp the cars for trucking. The cars were also cleaned out with assistance from The MNG crew.

B&SR 67 prior to tarping and present interior condition. The stuff in the foreground had been stored in the car.

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Tarped and awaiting retrucking.

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On 9/25/15 a crew from the WW&F and Maine Locomotive & Machine returned to Portland to Jack up the cars and put trucks under them.

B&SR 54 was jacked up and retrucked first. 54 was then rolled forward for access to 67.

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67 with a truck under the south end.

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Jacking up the north end. Each car had the south truck installed under in the car and was slid south on a tie until we had a enough room to place the north truck behind the car.

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Almost on eight wheels.

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67 on wheels and rolling.

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Delivery to Alna on a very wet 9/30/15.

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Parked on the round house lead during work weekend.

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An original B&SR switch stand target recently donated by Larson Powell in front of 67.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 14, 2015, 05:19:42 PM
Nice, thorough photo series.
Since 9 is about done, 67 will keep you all busy this winter.  ;)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on October 15, 2015, 11:49:07 AM
I didn't realize they let their rolling stock sit and rot like that.   So glad it was rescued!!!!   How many spare trucks etc does MNG have?
 Rick
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 15, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
Since we pride ourselves on being prototypical, I would suggest we finish the car in a 1920's-30's paint and lettering scheme that it had on the B&SR.  It will also make it a real conversation piece and a delight for photographer specials.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 15, 2015, 07:32:04 PM
Hmmmm.... And I was thinking it would be cool to have it in gray with black lettering to contrast with the otherwise uniform boxcar red color.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on October 16, 2015, 05:32:11 AM
Thanks to the crew for a lot of hard work!

If votes are being counted - i go for B&SR 67 - keep it historically correct.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on October 16, 2015, 05:49:17 AM
Folks,
         I have walked around in the weeds at Maine Narrow Gauge Museum and seen and photographed the poor old 60 and 67. I am glad it has a new home!

It is lucky the car is complete and the museum does not have to go hunting for trucks, parts etc.

It should be painted as it was on the Bridgton & Saco River. I very much doubt that many of the freight cars got any paint during the Bridgton and Harrison period.

And it is always good to have another box car around.

Ted Miles
Life Member WW&F Ry Museum
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 16, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
I really like Wayne's idea of going with the early B&SR scheme of gray with black lettering. In addition to providing a bit of visual interest, it would be fun to portray an earlier period in history.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 16, 2015, 04:02:12 PM
Using 67 as a mobile tool car makes total sense,  as do ATSF 3751, 2926 and other restoration societies.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on October 16, 2015, 11:53:11 PM
Ok, since we seem to be engaging in "Primary Season" here, I will cast my vote:
I think a historically accurate number only scheme would be best as it maintains the integrity of the car's appearance but also does not detract from the fact it's NOT on the B&H.
Of course, there COULD be occasions where she wear her B&H or B&SR markings as paint isn't THAT expensive. ;)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 17, 2015, 12:15:14 AM
My opinion is if it's going to retain the B&SR number, give it B&SR markings.  Otherwise give it a WW&F number (321 is the next in the boxcar class) and WW&F lettering (either WW&F Ry or WW&F RR for variety).
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on October 17, 2015, 03:05:39 AM
I may have had a hanging chad there-
I did mean B&SR markings too.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on October 17, 2015, 03:28:44 AM
James,
          I am surprised that you would consider making that box into a counterfeit WW&F car. it always was a B&SR or B&H box so it should be restored that way.

Actually as a Laconia built car I can see a number of differences between the Portland Company cars on the property and that Laconia product. Like the inside sheathing.

It will be great to see it restored. It is wonderful that the museum has a friendly saw mill down in Massachusetts.

Ted Miles
WW&F Life Member
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on October 17, 2015, 02:06:27 PM
Hmmmm.... And I was thinking it would be cool to have it in gray with black lettering to contrast with the otherwise uniform boxcar red color.
What about one side and one end red, lettered W W & F and the other side and end gray lettered B & S R?
That way it could look like a W W & F car on photo freights, but still show it's original heritage.
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on October 17, 2015, 04:57:57 PM
It's an interesting problem:

Restore it in a WW&F paint scheme and it denies the car's historical background which is a shame because there aren't all that many B&SR cars left.

Restore it in a B&SR car and we need to interpret why there is a B&SR car on the WW&F which it never interchaged with.

I think there is value in it as a B&SR car because the story of why the B&SR and WW&F didn't connect is a valuable one: both were feeder railways that connected small towns with the larger standard gauge system with one eventually being owned by the standard gauge system.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 17, 2015, 05:38:18 PM
I think we need to look at the issue this way.  Is our mission to replicate the WW&F exclusively, or carry the WW&F banner while also recognizing and preserving Maine NG railroading overall.  If we are to be WW&F only, then why do we have 67, 51, 52, 10, etc. as they are not WW&F equipment?

I would think that Harry would approve of the bigger picture of preserving all Maine equipment regardless of heritage but noting that the WW&F is now home.  With that in mind, I would not look favorably at re-designating #67 to WW&F.  It's a B&SR car and should be recognized as such.  Maybe we could have it in the grey scheme for 3-4 years and then switch to the red scheme for another 3-4 years and have some variety as both schemes are prototypical.

OK, now stepping off my soapbox.............
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 17, 2015, 05:44:51 PM
Restore it in a B&SR car and we need to interpret why there is a B&SR car on the WW&F which it never interchanged with.

Well said, Steve.

I think having the car painted for the B&SR would actually be useful as a way to introduce visitors to the larger story of the Maine Two-Footers, and how their histories were inter-related. Even without an interchange, the WW&F and B&SR certainly swapped equipment from time to time. WW&F engines 5 and 8 were ex-B&SR, and the fact that coach 3 ended up on the B&SR (in partial exchange for engine no. 5) is why it's still around today, just as No. 9 would not have survived if it stayed on the SR&RL. The Two-Footers didn't exist in isolation from one another. (Even the hermit-like Monson RR briefly considered purchasing a railcar from the SR&RL after 1935, but declined the offer.)

I'm reminded of a photo I saw in Model Railroader magazine sometime in the 1980s of Dave Frary and Bob Hayden's HOn30 Carrabasset & Dead River RR. They had a boxcar lettered for the WW&F, and to explain its presence on the C&DR they invented a fictional history in which the C&DR had purchased equipment from the WW&F after abandonment and just hadn't gotten around to repainting it yet.

The only difference here is that our boxcar is full scale, and there is no need to resort to fictional alternate histories. :)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 17, 2015, 08:31:20 PM
I proposed "counterfeiting" the boxcar into a WW&F car because the original railroad would have painted over the number and lettering and given it a new number.

Our mission statement is preservation of WW&F first, and the other Maine two footers second.  So I'm not opposed to a B&SR boxcar in B&SR lettering on the property.  But to keep the B&SR number without the lettering seem like taking the easy way out.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on October 18, 2015, 09:27:09 PM
As John suggested, the question is how do we fit a decidedly BS&R boxcar into the mission of preserving and continuing the history of the WW&FRy. Up to now, nearly every piece of equipment which has has come to the museum has been adopted into the all time WW&F numbering scheme, and lettered as such. Coach 8, and #10 exemplify this methodology, as they were given the "next in series" number to acknowledge their joining the fleet in the modern era (and never having been WW&F equipment previously), but given them a place in the overall history of the railway. This seems like a good and practical way of meeting our mission while not being limited exclusively to original or replica equipment.

Since our stated mission is to preserve and present the WW&F, it could be somewhat of a distraction from that mission to start representing other railroads simultaneously.  And it seems like we've made it a point to differentiate ourselves from the other Maine 2ft museums by our steadfastness in presenting the WW&F exclusively. Seeing a B&SR boxcar on WW&F home rails might give John Q. Public the impression that the two lines interchanged, and we would need to make sure that we adequately explained and interpreted the reality of the situation. Along those lines, photo freights have been mentioned as being spiced up with the inclusion of a B&SR boxcar. I'd suggest that we would be doing ourselves a disservice by including a single interloping boxcar in a string of WW&F equipment, as charter photos are some people's only interaction or experience with us.

I think Stephen's point about interpretation is right on. No matter which way we decide to present the boxcar, we need to make sure that we adequately present it's history. But I would suggest that it is easier to explain the past history of a WW&F numbered car, than explain the lack of interchange between the 2 footers and the boxcar's place at the museum. I think a great way to stay true to our mission, and to 67's history would be to letter it as WW&F and give it a "next in series" number- but create a display of photographs and interpretive text along the lines of the fantastic TCDA display. This could hang on the inside, or outside the boxcar when not in use, and allow visitors to the car barn to see 67's full story.

Just my two cents!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on October 18, 2015, 10:43:22 PM
I would be willing to bet that not one visitor in a thousand would ask why there was a B&SR box car at the museum anymore than they would ask if the WW&F would have had a Plymouth internal combustion locomotive. I have no issue with replicas...but I do take issue with taking an historic artifact and passing it off as someting it is not as contrary to our mission as a museum.
Keith
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 18, 2015, 10:50:33 PM
I feel it should be painted and lettered as a B&SR boxcar.

To add more fuel to the fire, I've read somewhere that the original paint scheme was gray with RED lettering, not black.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 18, 2015, 10:55:51 PM
Grey with red lettering. Cool! That's even better!!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 18, 2015, 10:58:53 PM
Renumbering it would be doing a disservice to our B&SR fans, several of which are members. Several of us are excited to have such an unrestored original piece from the RR. But the ultimate decision will be up to the board. I would suggest though, if renumbering is done, that the original name and number be displayed below the new number, at the bottom of the siding, saying "NEW-B&SR#67-1906,REBUILT-WW&FRy#321-2016" in small letters, 2 inch or so.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 19, 2015, 12:01:05 AM
What if we painted it our customary red and labeled it simply "67" without any railroad name at all? It would not look disruptive in photo freights and would look consistent with our railway, but we would not be faking anything. Anyone observant enough to note the lack of a railroad name would be knowledgeable enough to appreciate the history of the car when they inquired about it.

-John M
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 19, 2015, 12:17:42 AM
To add more fuel to the fire, I've read somewhere that the original paint scheme was gray with RED lettering, not black.

I just checked "Two Feet to the Lakes" and you are correct -- gray and red it was!

(See how misleading black and white photography can be?)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on October 19, 2015, 12:19:21 AM
In black and white photography, red shows up as black.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 19, 2015, 01:17:21 AM
What if we painted it our customary red and labeled it simply "67" without any railroad name at all?

My personal objection to that would be that the WW&F had a boxcar 67, which is no longer with us.  It's not WW&F 67, and in this case, it's not even a replica of WW&F 67!  It's a not a Portland Company car, it's Laconia which probably had slightly different construction techniques and such than PCo.  So I think it disingenuous of us to pretend.  We don't pretend, we either acknowledge it's a B&SR car or we give it the next number in the WW&F boxcar series.  Either way - we can always repaint it to the other railroad's name/number (yes, a lot of work but it can be done) at one point or another.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 19, 2015, 11:29:02 AM
I have to say I agree with the pure philosophy of WW&F-izing everything possible; many of us feel we are continuing the history of the WW&F as much as preserving it.  Or I suppose that's the same thing. 

But...  We will, eventually, also have one of the B&SR tank cars.  That's a very unique piece of history which we saved for that reason- and because we were able to. 

We've discussed for some time pairing a boxcar with that tank, equipping the boxcar with a pump and fire fighting tools- and having the 'unit fire train' always ready.  From the outside it will appear as part of a freight train.  If we do that someday- I would suppose this as the ideal car. 

All in all- I can see having a Bridgton equipment segment, paired together for purpose, and painted in Bridgton livery as a stand-off.  Then it's an honest preservation of those cars' heritage.

Just some more cents- maybe we'll have a dollar soon.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on October 19, 2015, 02:18:07 PM
  Because a lot of us like all the Maine Two Footers as Harry P. did, He had all the names of all the Five narrow Gauge railroads and their Dates in the station. I wish we could have a car from every one of them. Or engine.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 19, 2015, 02:34:39 PM
Ok, since everyone else is chiming in...

I like the idea of lettering it with just the number *if* there is photographic evidence that car 67 was in fact lettered that way when in service on the B&SR/B&H. If there is no conclusive proof, then gray with red lettering would not only provide some variety in coloring, it would certainly differentiate it from the WW&F rolling stock.

To Jason's point about the tank car, I would suspect that it would be labeled SOCONY - as that is the livery it wore in service on the B&SR/B&H.

I think in the larger picture, we are really a museum that acts like a railroad, and not a railroad that acts like a museum. Museum pieces of historical significance should be treated as such. Replicas and fabrications should reflect the original WW&F or what they would have done.

That said, who's has upped their Fall Fundraiser donation to help pay for the restoration? Paint is relatively cheap. Wood and fabrication of missing parts - not so much.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 19, 2015, 06:11:24 PM
My two cents worth.

I am in agreement with Steve P. The car should be restored as a B&SR car, and there should be some information for visitors about its origin and use. Steve's point about the five two-footers is well-taken and should be a part of the story. If the decision is made that B&SR No. 67 should NEVER EVER appear in a train with WW&F equipment, perhaps it could be set up as a museum display car, similar to the role of the Turner Centre Dairying car, with appropriate displays and so forth. With a couple of display cases, photos, maps and some larger artifacts, it could free up additional space in the gift shop for retail. It could be kept in the current shop building and moved outside so visitors could enter it via some steps.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on October 19, 2015, 08:18:15 PM
I think that we are getting ahead of ourselves. It will probably be at least a year before anything serious happens to #67.
That is plenty of time to formulate a plan and, more  importantly, raise the necessary funds.
We have a lot on our plate for the present and future.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on October 20, 2015, 12:04:49 AM
Rebuild/restore it to B&SR everything. Including the car in a WW&F freight on occasion would be like "rare mileage" to some people...pretty cool.
SH
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 20, 2015, 12:45:36 AM
We do publish and hand out to ticketed passengers an 8-page museum guide, which gives a short history of the Maine two-footers, a more detailed history of the W&Q/WW&F and the museum, and a brief description of each locomotive and car in our collection.  Regardless of the final decision on how the restored car will appear, this booklet can tell visitors the story of this car.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on October 21, 2015, 03:02:49 PM
Who knows - maybe a SR&RL car may show up in the future.  Whatever the powers-that-be decides on the policy would probably apply to other "foreign road" cars.
Barring a miracle - probably we'll never see a genuine KC or Monson car appear.
I remember seeing various proposals mapped out that would have connected the W&Q/WW&F with the SR/SR&RL via the FS&K that has been discussed elsewhere on this forum.  There were also a southern extension of the Monson and 2 separate connections to the KC at Togus proposed at various times.  Only the B&SR / B&HR was left out the the 2 foot network due to the distance to/from western Maine.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on October 21, 2015, 03:47:52 PM
Ira

You must be a youngster - a year is no time at all.
Just last week we were celebrating New Year.
It seems I just changed the Calendar and it is the 21st already. (and yes I changed it on the 1st)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 21, 2015, 11:46:57 PM
67 was moved into the car barn today.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on October 22, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
Thanks Brendan :)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 22, 2015, 03:28:48 AM
I don't see any floodlights in those pictures, so I guess the translucent roof panels really do let in a lot of light.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 23, 2015, 12:36:12 AM
67 was unwrapped this afternoon and some of the transport bracing was removed to allow easier interior inspection.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on October 23, 2015, 09:01:32 PM
One thing that would be interesting is that maybe somewhere on the car are remanents of the gray and red paint. A little light hand sanding might prove interesting. There are a lot of shades of gray and red, it would be nice to know the right shades.
Mike N.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on October 23, 2015, 10:41:55 PM
There are at least "fifty shades of gray"
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 25, 2015, 12:08:43 AM
The car was never grey or gray. It was built in 1905, and the earliest photo I can find of it show it red
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 25, 2015, 12:24:51 AM
I'm not a wooden freight car expert, nor do I play one on TV.  So the following are my observations of the car, plus what I gleaned from conversations.

This morning I took a look at B&SR 67.  Zack and Mike were inside it walking around, so the floor is clearly in good shape.  I peeked underneath, and the long stringers look fine.  The outer stringers (sills) probably will need replacing, as will the end sills.  I think the ceiling is tender, but didn't get a close look at it (but I could see plywood here and there).  The interior bracing generally looks solid, although it was dark inside so couldn't see much details.  Probably most of the outside sheathing will need to be replaced.

Overall, I'd say the car is in better shape than our 309 was when it returned from Connecticut.  If memory serves, 309's floor was gone or badly rotted, and the box had fallen around the body.  So it needed a lot of bracing to get the box up to stay up.  309 had a metal roof, which I don't think 67 has, so I think most of 309's roof work could be saved.  So 67 is probably marginally better than 309 was.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 25, 2015, 12:31:19 AM
According to Zack, the car is indeed in better shape than 309. The upper part of most interior bracing and framework looks good, but there is some hidden spots that may have rot, as well as around the doors. This car is as original as it gets, never having been restored. It spent it's after Bridgton life sitting next to the station in Edaville, where it was wired for lights. Then came to Portland in 1993 with the big move, and put up on the side hill.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 25, 2015, 11:37:41 PM
The car was never grey or gray. It was built in 1905, and the earliest photo I can find of it show it red

But wasn't the B&SR still using the gray and red paint scheme in 1905? I seem to remember a photo of B&SR engine no. 5 with a couple of gray boxcars at Bridgton Junction in Two Feet to the Lakes which Jones dates to 1906. (Sorry I don't have the page number because I'm not at home right now, but I was looking at it just last week.) When did they make the switch to red?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 25, 2015, 11:47:49 PM
They made the switch when Maine Central Purchased the line, and I am sure the transition was not immediate. I have looked and looked, and car 63 is the last I can find painted in gray.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 26, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
Thanks, Mike. I think you're probably right.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 26, 2015, 11:38:16 AM
I still have other pictures in my own collection to go through. I have scanned them onto my computer so I can zoom in on them..just takes a little planning and a free minute or 20
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 26, 2015, 12:34:45 PM
However, I'm still hoping a little gray paint will be found somewhere on the boxcar, if the sheathing is indeed original. :)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 26, 2015, 03:29:43 PM
Maybe on some of the tongues. Several late 30's photos show very little paint before repainting, presumably at Edaville
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 05, 2015, 01:52:51 AM
67 was moved slowly over to the shop today.

Out on the main.

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In the yard Jason's picture.

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Inside bay 2

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 05, 2015, 01:57:35 AM
Well, I took a chance and purchased a cd of builders photos of Laconia Car Company. 112 pictures of various things, including cabooses, a derrick, freight and livestock cars, a snowplow, Eastman Heater cars for the MEC, Boyd & Harvey Co. flat cars, and B&SR boxcar 64. 64 was originally grey with dark numbers, black or red. 64 was built a year or so before 67. I still like the red..
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 05, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
That last view Brendan posted of #67 in the shop building next to W&Q coach #3 makes one wonder how frequently the two saw each other over their many years on the B&SR/B&H.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on November 05, 2015, 02:38:53 AM
VERY satisfying to see 67 in the shop!!  I can hardly wait to see what it looks like when it re-emerges one day, totally rebuilt!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on November 05, 2015, 04:12:24 AM
Refresh my memory:

Was there a difference between a boxcar and a potato car? And if so what was it?

As for 67's color - grey would be nice, but what was its color most of its life?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on November 05, 2015, 04:53:41 AM
Interesting stirrup on the end sill. Did it also have stirrups on the sides? Oh, and congratulations on the "new" acquisition! My vote (for what it's worth!) is for boxcar red. Just seems right to me!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 05, 2015, 11:52:14 AM
The srirrup you see is where the rod for the brake wheel sets in. A brake wheel end shot of 309, 118or 126 would show how it goes.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 05, 2015, 07:53:06 PM
Refresh my memory:

Was there a difference between a boxcar and a potato car? And if so what was it?

A potato car has a stove to keep the potatoes from freezing. I think that's the only real difference.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 05, 2015, 10:04:25 PM
A potato car may have had sawdust between the outside and inside walls.

dwight
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 08, 2015, 12:38:32 AM
For anyone interested - the sister cars of B&SR 67, now at Maine Locomotive and Machine Works:

(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/DSC_0003_zpsddzgamry.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 08, 2015, 01:05:20 AM
54 on the left, 51 on the right, for those keeping tabs. 54 is a Portland Company product, 51 is Bridgton & Saco River built car.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on November 08, 2015, 04:18:02 AM
Thanks for the stirrup answer, Mike. That makes sense to me now. I remember CN and CP 40' boxcars having end ladder stirrups from back in my brakeman days. Thought maybe that was a snow-country thing.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on November 08, 2015, 10:32:20 PM
 James, where is the Maine Locomotive and Machine Works located? Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 08, 2015, 11:19:48 PM
ML&MW is Brian Fanslau, who also works for Boothbay Railway Village.  He is building passenger cars for Edaville (Thomas Land now), did work on Monson #3 and B&SR #7.  I think he's done work on 7470 as well.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 13, 2015, 01:42:26 AM
At the board meeting Wednesday, we decided on the paint color before we decided if we were going to fix it.  ;D

Actually scope of fixing is unknown at this point.  It was decided that Jason would fix up the trucks we were given, stick those trucks under 126, and take 126's trucks (which are B&SR boxcar trucks anyway) and put them under 67.  Then roll it outside and start looking closely at it.

It will keep its number (67), but not be lettered for B&SR, at least at this time.  As there was no interchange having a B&SR lettered car would raise authenticity questions on photographic charters and so forth.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 13, 2015, 04:05:52 AM
Sooooo.......... The board decided on the paint color........ Are you going to share that with us or keep us in suspense?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 13, 2015, 02:20:24 PM
The board discussed using the dairy car project as a means of gauging this project.  The dairy car cost $15K, for which we supplied oak logs and the sawing of the oak was donated.  The same would be the case here.  With that info, we want to examine the dairy car's $15K to see how much of that would apply in this case.  At present we don't have those funds.  It may be a matter of paring that number down though additional donated goods and services, if possible.

James will be printing the dairy car list of expenses so we can look at that.

James mention of the truck swap and subsequent close examination will happen also.

Jason
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on November 14, 2015, 01:22:57 AM
Is there any particular reason that MNG is getting rid of rolling stock?   Is it related to the move or just thinning the herd??
 Rick
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 14, 2015, 04:41:06 PM
I believe MNG feels they want to put their resources into moving the main part of their collection.

Jason
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 23, 2015, 02:45:55 AM
Here is a builders photo of one of the cars in the same order as Bridgton & Saco River #67. NOTE...No ladders on the sides, they were added under MEC ownership, as well as the boxcar red paint.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/wlhg101_zpsqhiilvhu.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 23, 2015, 02:50:00 AM
Hmm. Would that make the car gray or red in that picture?

More interesting, it is not labeled for the B&SR railroad - so there may be some historic precedent to a "number only" pain scheme.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 23, 2015, 03:23:01 AM
Looks like gray with red lettering to me. :)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 23, 2015, 03:35:06 AM
Red would show as black in a B/W photo.

I have no opinion on the final color.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 23, 2015, 11:10:36 AM
Boxcar Red is the decided color by the board, which is the paint color it spent most of it's life in service. Lettering was also applied under MEC ownership.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 23, 2015, 12:08:47 PM
Well if red looks black in a B&W photo, clearly the "wlhg-company.com" is in red  ;D
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 23, 2015, 02:29:15 PM
Let's add in the question of panchromatic film versus orthochromatic film. From http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Panchromatic (http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Panchromatic):

"Panchromatic means sensitive to all colours of light. Early orthochromatic film had very little sensitivity to red light, leaving red subjects as black in the resulting images. Panchromatic film - originally made by adding dyes to red-insensitive film, a result of work by Dr. Adolf Miethe, is capable of recording red subjects, as its sensitivity range reaches wavelengths of 660-730 nm (orange/red to red). Panchromatic films had decreased sensitivity in the 490-540 nm area (blue to green), but were, however, still much too sensitive to blue light (what resulted e.g. in pictures with too bright sky and clouds invisible against white background), therefore required a yellow filter for correct representation of blue color brightness."
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 23, 2015, 09:24:52 PM
I wonder just what color the car builder painted the flatcar on which the boxcar was delivered?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 25, 2015, 06:01:17 AM
After looking all over 67 I believe I found gray paint. This is spot is on the outside sheathing at the north end of the car about eye level above the buffer block. You can find multiple shades of red, a coat of white paint and I found yellow in places on the car.

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3272.jpg)

67 also had all the temporary interior braces and plywood patches removed from the car this week. The old Edaville electrical wiring was ripped out and the interior was swept out. The car was also photographed extensively inside and out.

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The roof

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3289.jpg)



Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 25, 2015, 09:21:01 AM
Maybe by this time next year, boxcar 67 will be saying Merry Christmas to everyone. Merry Christmas everyone!           Fred!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 26, 2015, 10:54:50 PM
Some pictures of the work done on December 26:

Started by removing wall boards.  By 9 AM:
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/at%209_zpsd9967dlt.jpg)

Continued with the wall, mostly working by myself after 10.  By lunch (11:30):
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/at%2011-30_zpsguymouku.jpg)

Around 3:15 or so, the roof came off:
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/roof_zpskhlwmrm9.jpg)

At 4, this is what was left:
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/flatcar_zpsdnnwjvvz.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on December 27, 2015, 02:24:46 AM
Reminds me of an old saying on the New Haven Railroad for a major locomotive overhaul:  Jack the whistle up and slide a new locomotive underneath.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 27, 2015, 04:38:48 AM
A time lapse vid of James and helpers ripping along here would have been entertaining.
Dang, he's fast!
The well-used deck and tired frame looks next, not to mention trucks.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 27, 2015, 05:41:06 AM
I wonder just what kind of condition the trucks are in?  Or has that been discussed already?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 27, 2015, 05:59:11 AM
More 67 deconstruction pictures. Most of the car framing was shot. Every vertical member was rotted at the bottom and everything in the door areas or spots where the exterior sheathing was missing was rotted. One 10 foot section of framing pretty much fell apart when the vertical tension rods were cut. All the vertical tension rods were corroded to the point you could twist the rods off by hand at the sills. Lots of detail pictures have been taken and sketches made of grab iron locations and framing details. The next step is to strip the floor off and flip the frame upside down to strip it down for rebuild. The center sills look like they are reusable. The outside sills and end beams are shot. The trucks need a complete rebuild all the wood parts are no good. Flat car 126 needs a truck rebuild also and the intention is to rebuild both sets of trucks this winter.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/DSC_0228.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/DSC_0229.jpg)

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3336.jpg)

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3339.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 31, 2015, 01:52:34 AM
About a third of the floor has been pulled up. The buffer block and end sill is off the north end. The end sill fell apart while removing the buffer block.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3367.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3370.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3388.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3391.jpg)

This is one of the bolts that goes down through the floor and sills to hold the draft gear on. This one was in the end sill and shows what happens when wet wood and iron mix.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3383.jpg)

Top end of the bolt assembly.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3382.jpg)

Bottom end.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3381.jpg)

The big end of the bolt is a casting that locks into the car floor and holds the actual bolt head,

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3362.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/IMG_3361.jpg)

Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on December 31, 2015, 04:00:56 AM
Wow awesome work so far! If you find old iron that you want to recover, I would suggest investigating the electrolytic rust removal as a means of removing all rust without impacting the remaining good metal. One can either build an electrolysis tank with a battery charger and some other help or find someone who deals with old iron that already has one. P.S. don't do this inside or near an open flame because the process releases hydrogen gas.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Electrolytic-Rust-Removal-aka-Magic/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Electrolytic-Rust-Removal-aka-Magic/)

Steve
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 31, 2015, 05:11:26 AM
Wow, you guys don't let any grass grow under you!! 67 already torn down and No. 10 stripped  down for inspection.  I wonder what we'll see three days from now??
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on December 31, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Is all of the side frame wood gone or will you scarf on some lower pieces
where it was rotted off so you can say some of the wood was original?
Not much sense in calling it original if you jacked up the roof and rolled
a new car under. Looks like most of the iron will have to be replaced also.

This will be like George Washington's ax - the one that cut down the cherry tree.
The head has been replaced twice and the handle four times - but it is the one that cut down
the cherry tree alright.

Happy New Year Guys




 
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 31, 2015, 09:34:43 PM
I dunno....even if it is basically a newly built car with only a few pieces of the original built back in, it would still be a reasonable facsimile of No. 67.  Heck, railroads rebuilt cars over and over again, so who can say, with certainty, that most of it is original anyway?  It will be great to see it restored/replicated/rebuilt or whatever, and watch it rolling along the track behind steam!!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 31, 2015, 11:10:42 PM
Yes...restoration of 67 to its original design, even if most original wood and metal is too far gone for re-use, will be, as usual, expertlyly rebuilt with similar materials.
Sounds like the best to be expected.

Happy New Year. 
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on January 02, 2016, 10:38:26 PM
I know it is a lot of work but if you could take 4 pieces of sheathing and make 3
Use what I call "Z" half lap where the end cuts are at a 45* angle.
Then there would be some of the original car left.

But you are there and I am here so the view is at different angles. :)

 Again Happy New Year
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 02, 2016, 11:06:43 PM
67's under frame.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/DSC_0428.jpg)

In the lower right hand corner under the yellow arrow is an original vacuum brake cylinder off of a Bridgton and Saco River box car.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/DSC_0436.jpg)

Trucks that 67 came with need a little work.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/DSC_0434.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/DSC_0430.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74006/DSC_0431%202.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on January 02, 2016, 11:42:01 PM
Those are swing motion trucks.  NEAT!

Tom C.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 03, 2016, 12:04:23 AM
Now that I've been around the WW&F for some years, I look at pictures like those and think, "Not a problem - get some good oak, cut a few pieces the right size, and we're good to go. Will the end of next week be OK?"

-John
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on January 03, 2016, 12:18:54 AM
It looks like it is about time to invest in some sand blasting equipment.

Keith
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 03, 2016, 01:19:33 AM
Has anyone put a wheel gauge on those wheel sets yet?  Tread looks like its OK although getting thin and end shot pictures show that the profiles are dished.  Will we be able to turn those axles and re-profile the wheels?  Also hows the bearings and axle surfaces?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on January 03, 2016, 01:29:23 AM
Trucks need a LITTLE work??? Lol!!  I also didn't realize that the swing motion design went that far back;  I thought it was a relatively modern idea.  Ya learn something new everyday!!  And I, like so many others, appreciate the step by step photography that you guys supply to the forum.  It's almost like having a ringside seat!!!  Its awful nice to be able to see the everyday goings on way up there in Maine from WAY down here in Texas.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 03, 2016, 11:22:51 PM
Metal definitely in need of serious de-rusting, all new wood.
Harbor Freight has sandblast equipment, decent prices.
For 2926 I bought a ~$20 handheld unit there with a small attached hopper, made an old spike maul head look nice and shiny.  :D
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on January 03, 2016, 11:31:08 PM
Trucks need a LITTLE work??? Lol!!  I also didn't realize that the swing motion design went that far back;  I thought it was a relatively modern idea.

Could it be the trucks aren't original to the car?

Tom C.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 04, 2016, 12:16:14 AM
Sandblaster is pictured in the 2nd photo of Brendans. It was purchased for use in the tank for #9. But now that we have it, we can use it for everything. Just need the compressors running and the air dryer hooked up.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 04, 2016, 12:42:02 AM
Tom has a good point, it was not unusual for shops to swap out trucks as needed on similar equipment.  Does anyone know if builders drawings still exist for #67?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 04, 2016, 12:46:14 AM
Trucks need a LITTLE work??? Lol!!  I also didn't realize that the swing motion design went that far back;  I thought it was a relatively modern idea.

Could it be the trucks aren't original to the car?

Tom C.

According to John H. White's "The American Railroad Freight Car", swing-motion trucks were already in common use by the 1870s, and the earliest US patent for a lateral-motion truck was in 1841, so yes they do go back that far.

My question is, what kind of trucks was Laconia using when the car was built? Would they have been significantly different from Portland Co. practice, for example? (How many different kinds of freight car trucks were there on the Two-Footers?)

The trucks that came with the boxcar are almost certainly not the ones it originally rode on (it was detrucked at Edaville if I recall correctly), but they're what we've got to work with, so I'm just curious.



Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 04, 2016, 01:05:20 AM
Just need the compressors running and the air dryer hooked up.

Alas, the compressors are under cover in the car barn... behind stuff.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 04, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Trucks were supplied by Maine Narrow Gauge when they gave us the car.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 04, 2016, 01:37:02 AM
We may have lucked out.  I compared the side view photos of the trucks at the shop with the builders photo of car #64.  After enlarging the photo it looks like what we have is the same or very close to the trucks it was originally equipped with.   ;D
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 04, 2016, 11:21:39 AM
The trucks that came with it could have come from any car. I am not sure it sat on trucks at Edaville, but when moved to Portland the trucks were removed to move another car. They are a great truck to rebuild, in my opinion, if you want to be original. All wood is still in the trucks, never having been replaced with steel.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on January 05, 2016, 08:37:25 AM
Looking at the timber in the last photo of the truck it looks like that timber
may have been replaced once already - do you not think the original
would have been clear & straight grained?

I hope you will be using square head bolts & nuts on any replacements.
I have some - though probably not the exact one you need -
called "The Goldie Locks Syndrome" (Too big or too small)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on January 05, 2016, 04:09:59 PM
Also, this car has body-hung brakes, so there is no need for a truck with the wrap-around top frame rail.  The wrap-around rail is the suspension point for the truck-mounted brake beams, which is the method we used for Coach 8 and flatcar 126.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 05, 2016, 05:23:37 PM
There are two differently-designed trucks shown. Interesting.
Time to pull out a compressor before Mr. Snow gets serious.  ;)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 05, 2016, 10:08:51 PM
Wood crew was busy gathering today... the donated oak logs for the 67 project.

Fred cutting tree #3.

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Tree Log #3 headed out.

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Fred measuring with a scale

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Brendan making a cut.
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When all logs were out, we loaded the trailer using the dozer, by chaining the logs to the blade. Not the fastest way to load, but we got it done.
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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 05, 2016, 10:37:52 PM
Some more pictures of our little logging operation.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 06, 2016, 01:38:48 AM
Impressive...anything you guys CAN'T do?
So it's off to the sawmill, eh?
Besides Kubota, Case-y is the best buy WW&F made.
How did  the equipment get to the clearing?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 06, 2016, 04:20:45 AM
From the pictures it looks to me like they were logged in the woods behind the garage.

Could this be so?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 06, 2016, 11:34:01 AM
No. The trees were donated from an off site location. Brendan hauled the dozer over and logs back. Dozer will return as soon as the trailer is emptied.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 07, 2016, 12:25:57 AM
You guys could use a CCC and WPA crew.
Naaah!
A busy winter is underway.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 08, 2016, 03:24:52 AM
Today 67's frame was flipped over and placed on flatcar 126 to begin the frame's rebuilding. The roof framing was temporarily loaded on top of the under frame to make room to park number 10 in the front of bay 2.

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Dismantling of 67's trucks for rebuilding started today in the machine shop.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on January 08, 2016, 05:23:10 AM
If when all is said and done, there is enough money left in the budget, can we put some cast journal box covers on the trucks? If we need a pattern, I'd be happy to bang one out.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on January 08, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
OK, question...I may be missing something, or am just dumb, but why does one truck have a "wrap-around" top bar frame, and the other does not?  Does it have something to do with the brake rigging?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on January 08, 2016, 10:43:47 PM
Your assumption is correct, Terry. The truck frame with the "wrap around" style top bar is meant for a car with truck mounted brake rigging.  Examples of which could be found on Facebook during the coach 8 and coach 3 brake upgrades over the summer. The other truck style is for body mounted brakes, signs of which can be seen in pictures of 67's deconstruction. Body mounted brakes are more rigid in their construction, but require some means of keeping them aligned with the wheels as they go around curves, usually accomplished with metal tabs mounted to the brake beams.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on January 08, 2016, 11:05:26 PM
Aside from brake rigging, are there any structural advantages to having a wrap around top bar?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 08, 2016, 11:45:48 PM
Following on the topic of brake rigging, I have a question about brake wheels.

Boxcar 67, like a lot of other B&SR freight cars, appears to have had a big standard-gauge size 16" brake wheel rather than the smaller 12" brake wheels found on most 2' gauge cars. The bigger brake wheels were an important and distinctive part of the look of B&SR boxcars in particular, since the brake wheel and staff are so visible in the car's silhouette. (To be sure, I believe some MEC-built cars on the SR&RL also had 16" brake wheels -- maybe that's just what they had on hand at the Waterville shops?)

Is there an appropriate 16" brake wheel on hand to replace the missing original? If not, I have one I think may be suitable that I would be very happy to donate.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 09, 2016, 12:44:49 AM
The wrap around style trucks were used on the earlier cars and are lighter in construction. The non wrap around trucks have heavier arch bars and were used on cars with a heavier load capacity. We have a Laconia brake wheel complete with ratchet and staff.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 09, 2016, 01:15:18 AM
We have a Laconia brake wheel complete with ratchet and staff.

Perfect! Thanks, Brendan.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 09, 2016, 02:47:58 AM
Aside from brake rigging, are there any structural advantages to having a wrap around top bar?

It helps keep the truck square.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 09, 2016, 04:28:41 AM
Having cranked down ATSF brake wheels in my younger days, the bigger the wheel, the  more mechanical advantage,  the easier it is to set a safe, tight brake.
But, it's surprisingly easy to really strain your shoulder or arm in the process.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on January 11, 2016, 02:41:37 PM
The problem we have found with the larger brake wheels is that they can lock up the wheels really easy. Its ok if only applying a brake to prevent a car from moving, but when a few grab the wheel and turn it as much as possible, things bend and break because of to much force.

Where as the smaller wheels on the 2' gauge cars reduced the amount of forces and limited the amount of load one could apply to the brakes and making it nearly impossible to lock the wheels.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 11, 2016, 11:25:53 PM
Joe...makes sense.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 12, 2016, 12:05:39 AM
The side sills have been removed from the car frame and replacement side sill timbers are being ordered this week. The trucks have been disassembled. We had one broken journal box but we have a good replacement on hand. There are a three other castings that need replacing. We have one left over from a previous project and have the pattern to make more. New white oak timbers were ordered today to replace the wood parts in the trucks.

Frame flipped over on flat car 126 with the side sills removed.

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Wheel sets in the machine shop.

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Journal boxes and bearings.

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Arch bars for the heavier truck.

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Top frame and arch bars for the lighter truck.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on January 12, 2016, 03:43:02 AM
Will the journal boxes have good oil seals in the back when project is done?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 15, 2016, 12:05:09 AM
Linda was going through pictures in the archives and found pictures of 66 and 67 sitting in the same string of cars.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 15, 2016, 08:18:55 AM
I'm trying to figure out how the SR&RL wheelsets and journal boxes might have found their way to Edaville. It seems unlikely to me that they're from the Rangeley, so could they be from the little 4-wheel trailer for Railbus No. 4 that disappeared (I think) sometime in the 1950s?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 15, 2016, 01:39:36 PM
The SR&RL cabooses made it to Edaville, along with the Rangeley. Could have come off of those during a wheel swap, shopping of a car, etc.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on January 15, 2016, 04:24:33 PM
There is a photo of WW&F box car #67 up on Face Book, it appears to have a vacuum train line hose.  Did the WW&F use vacuum brakes on all rolling stock? Or only on some? Or is it a left-over?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on January 15, 2016, 04:46:52 PM
Ken,

I believe the brake line was only a pass-through arrangement on the freight cars; this allowed operation of the brakes on the passenger cars, no matter where and what freight cars were between the locomotive and the passenger cars.

Even though there are long(er) term plans to install vacuum brakes on all of the equipment, I think it would be neat to see boxcar 309 and creamery car 65 with pass-through train lines, for the time being, as I believe there are photos of 309 at the end of, and after, service ended, with the pass-through line plainly visible.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 15, 2016, 08:02:35 PM
The SR&RL cabooses made it to Edaville, along with the Rangeley. Could have come off of those during a wheel swap, shopping of a car, etc.

But I don't think any of the SR&RL cabooses or passenger cars other than the Rangeley came with wheels. Aren't they all riding on B&SR trucks still? So I think the wheelsets have to be from either the Rangeley or Railbus No. 4 or its trailer.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on January 15, 2016, 08:19:31 PM
Even if that is so, I would consider it a winning coup that the WW&F is lucky enough to have gotten hold of some real SR&RL wheelsets!!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 15, 2016, 08:24:53 PM
In my opinion, the ultimate coup would be if we then we able to trade for authentic B&SR wheelsets/trucks from the SR&RL group up in Phillips!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 16, 2016, 12:07:45 AM
Since we obviously have two different types of trucks for #67 wouldn't it be prudent to find out what exactly went under the car when built? With that info in hand it would be a matter of trading and/or buying a set of trucks that would be historically correct.  We are building a reputation of doing things the right way - this should be no exception.

Now with that said; I'm not advocating to not rebuild the trucks we currently have but to do so, "for the short term", but to also look for the correct truck(s) that we can then swap out.  This car can be a special showpiece for us - lets do it right.  If it costs a few bucks more, so be it and I'll be the first to kick in for it.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 16, 2016, 03:13:29 AM
I am with John on this one.  I will be the second to kick in to do it right.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on January 16, 2016, 03:50:58 AM
I'll have to agree with you guys on this.  And it might be worthwhile to check with the SR&RL guys on wheelsets; I had not thought of that possibility.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 16, 2016, 04:20:17 AM
I also like Steve's idea of looking into a swap with the SR&RL group. As much as I enjoy having little bits and pieces of all the other Two-Footers around at the WW&F, genuine marked SR&RL wheelsets are "unobtainium", and it makes more sense for them to go home to Phillips than to remain at Sheepscot. If we can possibly get a correct B&SR truck or wheelsets in exchange for them it would be much better for boxcar 67.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on January 28, 2016, 02:04:57 AM
Thought I'd share some photos of the draft gear that I got apart last weekend.  It came apart relatively easy, though some bolts were almost completely dissolved.  This is just one set of four.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 29, 2016, 12:33:35 AM
Wow. Needs work.  ;D
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 04, 2016, 02:41:36 AM
Timbers for the new side sills arrived last weekend. The third smaller timber standing on it's side will be ripped down for the roof purlins. The oak logs we harvested are going to the sawmill this week to be turned into end beams, queenpost beams, and carbody framing. Car siding has also been ordered.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on February 04, 2016, 03:49:36 AM
That's nice looking wood! Is it Douglas fir?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 04, 2016, 04:44:39 AM
Douglas fir.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on February 15, 2016, 03:48:57 PM
More progress on removing bolts and organizing parts.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 15, 2016, 06:34:14 PM
Lots of valuable grabs, steps and brackets free after  Kroil and  torch artistry; lots of TOM burn kindling.
A vertical grab also makes a dandy big door handle.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Dulaney on February 29, 2016, 09:12:02 PM
More 67 deconstruction pictures. Most of the car framing was shot. Every vertical member was rotted at the bottom and everything in the door areas or spots where the exterior sheathing was missing was rotted. One 10 foot section of framing pretty much fell apart when the vertical tension rods were cut. All the vertical tension rods were corroded to the point you could twist the rods off by hand at the sills. Lots of detail pictures have been taken and sketches made of grab iron locations and framing details. The next step is to strip the floor off and flip the frame upside down to strip it down for rebuild. The center sills look like they are reusable. The outside sills and end beams are shot. The trucks need a complete rebuild all the wood parts are no good. Flat car 126 needs a truck rebuild also and the intention is to rebuild both sets of trucks this winter.


Just out of curiosity, would it be possible to get scans of those sketches put online?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on February 29, 2016, 10:06:05 PM
Hey Greg,

I just wanted to mention that I fully sympathize with that pile of parts you've got in front of you! Its remarkable how much effort goes into getting all the metal hardware cleaned up and ready to be installed again. To the casual observer, it might seem like they just need to be bolted back on, when in fact much more goes into it. I'm really glad so much of the hardware was still present and able to be restored.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on March 01, 2016, 02:50:54 PM
Thanks Alan!  Most of the grabs are in good shape though some are bent a bit. Some bolts come apart with little effort, most require some motivation and others have to be cut. Nothing has been rusted so badly that I couldn't get the bolt shank out of the hole though some may look like they have corroded in to a single piece!  The draft gear is a good example.  I wasn't present when 67 was delivered, but from looking at the photos that Brendan had taken and comparing them to the old pictures, it appears some hardware is certainly missing, just have to figure out what.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 01, 2016, 08:37:43 PM
With all that heavily painted and/or rusty iron, perhaps it's time to think about investing in a blast cabinet so the paint or rust can be cleaned off before the parts are reused. We have one at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania that gets heavy use, and it makes painting parts soooo much easier.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 01, 2016, 08:58:08 PM
Wayne...I have used blast cabinets at 2926 and C&TS,
effortlessly, quickly clean small parts completely, ready for re-paint or whatever.

A rebuilding must. Check Harbor Freight.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on March 02, 2016, 02:10:47 PM
I was thinking of a big tub of Coca Cola. ;)   There is the blaster used on #9's tender but that is not contained. 
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on March 02, 2016, 03:35:27 PM
I've never used it, but I'm a big fan of electrolysis. I'll help you build the tank if you'd like. I think it might be our best bet.
The materials the tank is built of are extremely inexpensive in comparison to a blasting cabinet and the consumables are cheaper than blasting media as well. All it needs is a well ventilated place to operate.

Check out a sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQNvhUYqCkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQNvhUYqCkw)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 02, 2016, 05:12:42 PM
I've never used it, but I'm a big fan of electrolysis.
Removing hair too?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 02, 2016, 06:24:49 PM
For smaller parts I've found Evapo-Rust works really well. It takes the rust off down to bare metal just by soaking for a day or two.  Chemically it's just an iron chelating agent plus a detergent in aqueous solution, so it's supposed to be totally non-corrosive, safe for the user, and environmentally friendly -- which is rarely true for something so effective.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on March 02, 2016, 08:08:14 PM
Folks,
        I am pleased to see that much of the iron work on the car can be saved and re-used. Laconia Car Company was a high class car builder; look at the interior sheathing and the details on the trucks for examples.

I also think that a way should be found to send the SR&RL wheel set back to Phillips. Maine Narrow Gauge must have a spare truck to trade or sell. Aren't the former Edaville cars at WW&F riding on B & SR trucks? 

There are cars from several Maine Narrow Gauge Railroads at Boothbay Railway Village; they do not have any trouble explaining them and their history. I think WW&F Museum will not either. It was pointed out that some day a B&SR tank car will be seen at the WW&F Museum.

I do not think it matters that the lines did not exchange freight cars. Museums can show cars from any of them!

Ted Miles, WW&F Life Member
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jon Chase on March 02, 2016, 08:09:26 PM
Stephen,

I have used the electrolysis method for rust removal and it works quite well.  Specifically, I used it to clean down to bare metal a large, ornate cast-iron flywheel that was heavily rusted, and the result looked like it had just come from the foundry.  I used a $5.00 plastic wading pool for the tank, and the iron rebar electrodes were simply hung from the edge with the connecting wires - the suspension method shown in the video is more elaborate than necessary, but perhaps better lends itself to repeated use.  As I recall, the sodium carbonate (washing soda) I used was sold under the Arm & Hammer label in grocery stores.  I rested the heavy part to be cleaned on a couple of bricks.

But while this is a good method of rust removal, the problem at hand, as I recall from seeing the boxcar last fall, appears to be more a situation of paint removal.  If the paint in question was on top of rust, electrolysis might encourage it to fall off, but in that case it probably wouldn't be adhering too well anyway.

If you decide to experiment with electrolysis, an important safety concern is that the process produces hydrogen gas, so setting it up indoors, as the video appears to show, is definitely not a good idea. If you leave the process running outdoors, you may want to suspend some sort of roof over the tank, as rain will dilute the sodium carbonate solution and reduce its effectiveness. In my experience, larger items require more time than the small nuts and bolts shown in the video - my flywheel took three or four days to come clean.  Additional electrodes might have helped this along.

All in all, sandblasting is much, much quicker if the facilities are available, and will easily deal with paint just as well as rust. A cabinet is not necessarily required except for the smallest parts, as plywood or similar material can easily be set up as a sort of work enclosure to direct the nozzle toward, which will help capture most of the sand for re-use.

Jon Chase




     



Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on March 10, 2016, 05:46:36 AM
Just saw this for rust & paint removal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgiecR6LzwA

Saw some other videos also - impressive -- if you have a spare $250,000.00
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 11, 2016, 01:03:00 AM
The lumber for the car sheathing and floor arrived at Sheepscot today and was unloaded into 309. The first wheel set has been mounted in the lathe for turning next week and work on the truck rebuilds has started.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_3936.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 15, 2016, 02:38:13 PM
The red oak logs that Fred donated for the car framing made the trip down to Copeland Lumber's sawmill in Marshfield, MA yesterday. We had 13 8' logs and 1 12' log that scaled out to 550 board feet on the log deck.

Our logs loaded on the log deck.

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Log going through the saw.

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Finished lumber and slabs on the green chain. Hardwood slabs are saved for firewood.

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Our lumber coming off the green chain and being loaded on the trailer.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 15, 2016, 07:16:02 PM
Thanks Brendan, and thank you Fred for donating the logs!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 15, 2016, 09:32:30 PM
Thanks Brendan, and thank you Fred for donating the logs!

Yes.  And thank you, Dean, for the mill work.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on March 17, 2016, 03:03:40 AM
Will the lumber be air dried, kiln dried or put up green?

Thanks Fred, Brendan & Dean
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 18, 2016, 04:07:42 AM
Carl we use the lumber green. The Turner Centre car was built the same way.

We unloaded the trailer on Wednesday. Most of the lumber was brought into bay two and stacked with stickers. Most of this pile will go into framing the "box" of the car.

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The bigger timbers were loaded onto a work flat. All these timber go into the under frame. Red dots are the end beams. Purple dots are the draft gear timbers. Blue dots are queen post timbers. Green is for the buffer blocks and there is one extra timber on the car.

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One of the wheelsets mounted in the lathe for turning.

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The other three wheelsets.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on March 18, 2016, 06:19:48 AM
Obviously green oak works easier but do you have a warp problem?

Looking at TC car guess not.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 18, 2016, 03:03:49 PM
Where do the buffer blocks go on the car?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 18, 2016, 03:15:12 PM
Buffer blocks bolt on the end beam right above the couplers. Laconia built cars have more prominent buffer blocks than Portland built cars. Laconia buffer blocks are 8"x8" Portland blocks are probably 4"x8".
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 20, 2016, 02:48:04 AM
67's frame upside down on blocks in bay 2 ready for the rebuild to start.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4044.jpg)

I took a couple pictures to show the difference in buffer block size between the Portland Company and Laconia Car Works designs.

Portland Company style buffer on car 65.

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Buffer block off of Laconia built 67. The block is sitting upside down. The quart of oil is right where coupler shank would be.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4018.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 20, 2016, 06:50:25 AM
I hadn't noticed it before, but that's a really attractive forge weld on the cut lever in the picture of the Laconia buffer block.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 20, 2016, 02:51:31 PM
Thanks Brandon.

It is good to see that a significant part of 67's original wood parts can be retained.  Now that we have the CB that part of the historic car will have a very long life.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 02, 2016, 06:00:18 PM
Work continues on the restoration of Car 67. This weekend at the museum good progress was made on the frame, side and end sills, buffer blocks, and the draft gear guide blocks. See attached photo (from James Patten)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 02, 2016, 06:43:48 PM
More pictures of the work done on 67's frame during the work weekend. Bolts and steel rods are being ordered shortly to finish putting the frame together.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 08, 2016, 12:37:00 AM
Sawing lumber out of the red oak logs Fred donated for 67 at Copeland Lumber.

https://youtu.be/S_0feFxcc1U
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on May 08, 2016, 04:42:40 PM
Cool video Brendan!!! 

Thanks for posting!


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 08, 2016, 05:17:25 PM
Proving Brendan is just a cut above the rest.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 08, 2016, 05:21:23 PM
Proving Brendan is just a cut above the rest.

That comment makes a point.

Thanks Brendan, good to see the progress from the MA division of the WW&F.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on May 08, 2016, 05:46:07 PM
Proving Brendan is just a cut above the rest.

Well said, Ira!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 23, 2016, 01:35:21 PM
67 as of last week. We are waiting on queen post castings and a new bolster casting from the foundry to finish the car's frame.

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74005/IMG_5608.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 09, 2016, 03:20:41 AM
The queen posts castings have come in so the rest of the truss rods can be installed. Once the truss rods are in the frame can be flipped over and work on the box framing can begin.

The turnbuckles on three of the truss rods were completely rusted in place and the threads had rusted away. To save the truss rods the decision was made to cut the old turnbuckles out and weld in a new turnbuckle assembly.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74007/IMG_6244.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 10, 2016, 01:57:32 AM
All the truss rods were put on 67 today and the frame was flipped back upright. Some repair work needs to be done on the tops original center sills and the frame will be finished.

New queen post casting. There are eight queen post castings and the car was missing five of the castings. The truss rods sit in the queen posts.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74005/IMG_6311.jpg)

One of the bolster castings was broken and had to be replaced with a new casting.

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Truss rods installed.

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Car frame flipped upright.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 10, 2016, 03:21:04 AM
So, in looking at the pictures, would I be correct that the only wood parts we were able to salvage were the four longitudinal stingers plus a lot of the medal parts/trucks, etc?  That still makes this a rebuild of the original car doesn't it?

Bill
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 10, 2016, 04:01:34 AM
Yes, pretty much the exact same thing we had to do to 309 from what I hear.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 10, 2016, 04:29:57 AM
Great work, as usual.
Will  the rebuilt trucks be placed underneath the frame before the walls/roof are built, permitting the project to be moved where necessary?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 10, 2016, 06:47:07 AM
Trucks will not go underneath until the box framing and tension rods are installed because the upper frame must be built with the base level.  We spent about half an hour leveling the main frame after it was flipped so there is a good plane of referance to get the studs plumb.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 10, 2016, 12:58:18 PM
Bill,
Roof framing was able to be saved, and only needs a few pieces replaced.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 12, 2016, 02:20:51 AM
Marcel cutting out rotted sections of the original center sills for replacement.

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A section of original side sill was salvaged to cut replacement wood out of for the center sills.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74008/IMG_6368.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 12, 2016, 02:46:26 AM
Considering the poor condition of the locomotive cabs and car frames when we receive them it is simply amazing what Marcel can accomplish recovering and preserving the wood so we preserve as much of the original as possible.  Well Done Marcel!

Bill
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on July 12, 2016, 03:02:09 AM
One would wonder if Booth Bay would trade their WW&F box car for a restored #67 box car?  That would give us the last missing piece of original rolling stock.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 12, 2016, 10:38:43 AM
Good idea!  I hope the BOD will pursue; It would be a win-win for both organizations.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on July 12, 2016, 11:25:42 AM
It has occurred to us for many (20+) years to offer a deal to return 312 to the WW&F.  A little perspective:

For Boothbay Railway, which itself was founded on the memory of the WW&F, this car represents their one connection to the original.  They have several SR&RL boxcars, but as their only Wiscasset car, they've been led to decline all previous offers.  That doesn't mean they would again, or that the offer of a Bridgton trade may make the difference; it may.  The point is though: just because it would "complete our collection" doesn't mean it holds no value to BRV.  They have made efforts to preserve the car and, I believe, have further plans.

We'll have a substantial fundraising and restoration effort into the Bridgton car.  If we traded, we'd be doing it again with 312.  Maybe that's ok- but I wouldn't presume so without getting the 67 project's stakeholders on board (those who donated; those who worked to raise the money, those working to restore the car).  All in all it may be best to stick with the plan and adopt 67 into our family.

Maybe there'll be an opportunity to return 312 to the WW&F at some point.  As usual there's more to the story than meets the eye, so it's important to remember the consideration made for a vast number of details with such deals. 

This idea was lightly discussed last fall, and set aside due to the effort we'll have into 67.  Anythings possible; at the moment we're excited to return 67 to service.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 12, 2016, 11:42:12 AM
Very nice explanation Jason. Boothbay Railway itself holds quite a few special pieces. And I would expect to go no where else but there to see them. It is a nice collection of purely Maine related railroad and other historic structures, railroad equipment and autos. The car is in an excellent location now.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 12, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
Personally I like the fact that there is a W&Q car down there, as well as several other  memorabilia artifacts down there. All of these things are small bits of advertisement to help spread the word of other places.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 12, 2016, 02:03:04 PM
[Moderator's Note]

I really only have a few simple guidelines for moderating discussions:
1. Don't speak with excessive or unwarranted negativity about other organizations.
2. Don't talk about items that the WW&F BOD has "in the works" where public discussion could jeopardize the "deal."
3. Refrain from discussing anything that the public could perceive as a safety issue.
4. Do not covet thy neighbor's equipment. (Or locomotive X needs to be at museum Y because it belongs there.)

I think Jason laid out the situation with Boothbay and car 312 very well. Let's leave it at that and move on.

That said, I am very impressed with the level of cooperation that is forming between the various Maine two-foot organizations. Each museum has its strengths and weaknesses, and we seem to now be coming together to build up our weak areas while taking advantages of our strengths. And with some really neat plans "in the works" (see #2, above) I can't wait to see how these shared relationships continue to grow.

-Ed 
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 12, 2016, 02:52:18 PM
Jason and Ed hit it right on the mark. I donated some oak and I'd be proud to have the boxcar stay with us.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 12, 2016, 06:25:47 PM
To agree with Fred's comments, we have lots of 'Museum built' rolling stock and facilities.  Some are reproductions, others, like 51, 52, 109, Big Joe, RowMow, Icabod, etc were never on the W&Q/WW&F tracks, but we need them, use them, and love them.  That being said, 67 falls in the 2 ft preservation category and is a great project for the skill of our volunteers.  It will serve us well in the future.  The same could be said about 554 if the opportunity comes along to make it a permanent part of our collection.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 12, 2016, 07:40:22 PM
I have said it before and will say it again. The narrow gauge railroads bought and sold equipment all the time. That is why Coach 3 survived, etc. When equipment was first bough or traded one could be led to believe that said equipment arrived with the selling railroads livery.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Marcel Levesque on July 14, 2016, 01:12:09 AM
Thank you Bill for your kind words.  It reminds me of a conversation I had with a very good friend of mine a few years ago.  It was during the time when the museum was leasing coach #3 from MNGRR.  I was feeling a little bit bad about having to spend time, money and effort in repairing/maintaining the coach because it did not belong to us.  In an attempt to assuage my negative feelings on this issue he told me this.  He said you are not doing any of this effort for yourself, the WW&F or MGRR.  You are doing for the coach in order to keep it around and going as long as possible no matter where it may be.  I had never recognised that perspective before that and after a time it made perfect sense and he was right.  So, in keeping with that theme I carry that perspective on all of the jobs that I do and that all of the equipment and the museum are still there and going strong long after I am gone.  That includes box 67.  I have learned many things from the time I have spent at the railroad and the people that I have met.  That is a ideal that I hope will continue.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 14, 2016, 01:54:50 AM
Well said, Marcel.

I saw a sign recently in a motorcycle museum (where the entire collection is owned by a single individual.)
It reads:
You never really own anything.
You only have possession of it for a while.


May we be good stewards of our possessions, so that they may be enjoyed for future generations.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on July 21, 2016, 07:28:11 PM
There appear to be two sets of curved truss rods running crosswise under the frame. This is a feature that is not in the Portland built freight cars.

What is the name and purpose of the rods? How do you tension them?

Ted Miles, WW&F Life Member
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 27, 2016, 12:31:44 AM
There appear to be two sets of curved truss rods running crosswise under the frame. This is a feature that is not in the Portland built freight cars.

What is the name and purpose of the rods? How do you tension them?

The Portland Co. cars have the same truss rods over the bolster. There is a casting morticed into the side sills the rods come through. The rods are tightened by turning the nuts on the rod ends coming through the casting.

67's rebuild is still moving along. The roof has been disassembled and the rafters are being repaired. Mortices have been cut into the side and end sills for the car body framing.

Rafters being repaired.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_7105.jpg)

The piece of fir sitting on the left side of the car frame is being ripped down for new roof purlins. One of the old purlins is sitting on the right side of the car.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74001/IMG_7108.jpg)



Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on July 27, 2016, 11:29:03 PM
Ted.  the rods tie into a piece that bolts to the bolster to anchor the rods.  Here is a picture of our 3 3/4 flatcar with the truss rod in place. 
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 28, 2016, 03:33:37 PM
[Mod Note]
I moved a comment about ex-Edaville Caboose 554 to its thread:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2594.msg28486#new (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2594.msg28486#new)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on October 21, 2016, 04:38:32 PM
Its been a few months since any new pictures were posted here.

How is the truck work going? There was a a plan to move the trucks between the #126 and the #67.

And what happened to that SR & RL wheel set that turned up? Will it be send back up to the Sandy River Railroad Museum?

Ted Miles, WW&F Member 
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 22, 2016, 03:42:12 PM
Work has been moving along slowly on 67. Most of the regular crew has been working to complete the turntable project and now that turntable is done attention can be turned back to 67. The next step is to put the roof framing back to together and then reframe the rest of the box.  Once the framing starts the car will go back together pretty quick. All the materials to finish the car are on sight.

The wheelsets are being turned right now to put the trucks back together. The SR&RL wheelsets are going back under 67. There are not alot of wheelsets around that are still useable. Edaville wore out most of the original wheelsets and most of the replacement Edaville wheelsets have also been worn out. A set of wheels for one truck is close to $10,000.00 not including the axles.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 22, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
Well, there is that B&SR wheel that just showed up on CraigsList. Nothing that Jason can't fix. :-)

See:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2823.0 (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2823.0)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 22, 2016, 04:54:59 PM
Well I don't think anyone can salvage that axle, but if we can save the wheels then that's one less wheel set to have to find.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on November 20, 2016, 10:47:05 PM
Folks,
         Was it possible to purchase that wheel set off Craigs List last
October?  If not under the 367; it will be useful in any number of
other places.

Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on November 21, 2016, 01:55:19 AM
The wheels and axle being buried in the mud for years did no favors. Unfortunately the only thing they would be good for is display.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 21, 2016, 01:09:57 PM
I tried to get a price out of him, and have had no response in another attempt I made last week
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2016, 12:01:26 AM
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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 11, 2016, 04:31:13 AM
WOW.... 

Zack and Dwight really have made progress on the floor.  Also, judging from their attire it was very cold in bay 2-3.  You Mainers are really a tough bunch.

Bill
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 11, 2016, 01:38:54 PM
In the morning 9F. When I went home around 3:30PM temperature had reached 19F.  It was cold in the shop. When Zack and I went outside for lunch. We had sunshine. But oh, the wind made it colder outdoors than in the shop.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 11, 2016, 02:18:47 PM
Is there anywhere a caboose style coal stove could be installed to help take the chill off?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on December 11, 2016, 02:37:23 PM
A shop stove would heat better but there isn't enough space currently for a shop stove. The small caboose stoves are good for much smaller areas.

There are two patio heaters that get used from time to time in the shop to take the chill off.

The box car is starting to take shape.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on December 11, 2016, 08:45:28 PM
This company claims to have narrow gauge trucks for sale.  I believe they're 24 inch pictured.  Chinese maybe?  Multipower International, Inc. stocks hundreds of thousands of parts and accessories for narrow gauge steam locomotives. It is impossible to list all the parts we have available. Since prices are subject to change, please contact us for inquiries regarding parts availability and pricing information:

sales@multipowerinternational.com
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 11, 2016, 10:30:53 PM
They are Chinese.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on December 14, 2016, 10:25:18 AM
I have a nephew who studied International Relations at UVM, who lives and works in China
and speaks perfect Mandarin... if we need a professional go between...
SH
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 06, 2017, 04:51:28 AM
Zack was working on 67 today. The floor is all in and Zack was checking fitment of the wall studs.

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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on January 08, 2017, 12:38:22 AM
SUPERB workmanship, as usual!! :o
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 12, 2017, 10:52:36 PM
Framing has started.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74005/IMG_9903.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on January 13, 2017, 12:36:49 AM
WOW!!  Is there ANYTHING that you guys CAN'T do?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 13, 2017, 03:28:28 AM
The vertical tension rods were installed and tightened to level the top sills.  You can see the rods next to the studs.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 28, 2017, 11:54:57 PM
Fred got in the frame for this shot.
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Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 09, 2017, 10:58:29 PM
67 progress to date. I believe the car is almost ready for siding.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0577.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 10, 2017, 12:27:01 AM
Wow, at last.  I had never known how much work needed to be done to put the sheathing on a freight car.  Cudos, to those who understood the making of a robust "infrastructure" of a simple boxcar. Who really knew??

Bob
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 11, 2017, 03:20:47 AM
Agreed, Bob. And I bet the coming floor slabs and extra side room  will make it easier to work in the shop.
I see this as a prelude to coming heavy loco and coach work.  :)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 17, 2017, 02:41:33 AM
Siding started going on the car and the trucks are going back together.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0605.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0610.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_0614.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 18, 2017, 12:27:31 AM
Thanks, Brendan...
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 18, 2017, 12:41:56 AM
How is the Eames vacuum brake system going to be incorporated into the car?  Or is it to be left as hand-brake only?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 18, 2017, 04:13:03 AM
I think the plan is to have a pass thru train pipe on all the freight / flat cars.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 18, 2017, 10:48:14 AM
Actually, plan is to equip freight cars w auto Eames eventually.  67 will use an original B&SR cylinder given to us by MNG.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 02, 2017, 05:27:49 AM
67 progress to date.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/wws17/DSC_0945.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/wws17/DSC_0940.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/wws17/DSC_0933.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/wws17/DSC_0930.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/wws17/DSC_0943.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/wws17/DSC_0017.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on May 02, 2017, 03:32:09 PM
Thank you Brendan, your posting are wonderful for us away crowd!

Tom C.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 02, 2017, 11:29:52 PM
Why does the painting stop just short at the wall tops, corners?
Is this red the primer/finish coat? Must be, since car numbers have already been added. ?
Will the interior get paint?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 03, 2017, 01:27:17 PM
Car is in primer and the paint stops below the top because a shadow board will be installed.  Interior gets sheathing up to the belt rail, no paint.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete Leach on May 03, 2017, 03:34:26 PM
Wow! This is so cool!
Pete
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 03, 2017, 03:50:22 PM
This is just beautiful craftsmanship on display.  I hope it continues with other operable pieces being added to the collection.  (Hint: tank car)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on May 03, 2017, 07:25:43 PM
John;
To paraphrase a friend of mine - we move at the speed of money and volunteers. We could use plenty more of both.
Dave
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 03, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
B&SR tank car:

Has the Grants group tried Exxon Mobil for a grant?  I started this several years ago but I did not follow up.
Ira
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 03, 2017, 10:15:22 PM
Yes, we did.
No, they were not interested.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on May 03, 2017, 10:43:12 PM
Try Bill Gates.  I read somewhere he is a rail fan.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 14, 2017, 08:06:55 PM
The interior sheathing is done.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74011/DSC_0113.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74011/DSC_0109.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 15, 2017, 03:53:10 AM
More superb wood work.
Add finish paint, metal roofing, trucks, doors, hardware and voila...67's ready to roll.  :)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 15, 2017, 01:51:15 PM
Another excellent restoration done by Zach and the carpentry crew.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on May 17, 2017, 11:42:59 PM
Amazing! Thanks for the great pics Brendan!
SH
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on June 12, 2017, 01:18:24 AM
 Great news on Face Book about the progress on the roof trim, paint, wheel sets, and door trim. Zach is a great and steady leader of the car 67 crew.                                           Fred Kuhns                     
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 24, 2017, 09:55:32 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0624171130_zpsrrxsuixg.jpg)


67 was placed on it's trucks and turned so Zack could work on the roof line over the door. This is the side he had to work on before the car was turned.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 24, 2017, 11:09:59 PM
A couple of videos


https://youtu.be/AkcqzKq9z90 (https://youtu.be/AkcqzKq9z90)
https://youtu.be/DJKvhflBeSs (https://youtu.be/DJKvhflBeSs)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 27, 2017, 03:48:34 AM
Bravo! Looking great!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 28, 2017, 12:57:47 AM
A little late but some pictures of the trucks going together.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_0494.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_0527.jpg)                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Swing motion assembly.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_0530.jpg)

New doors

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_0541.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_0543.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Rick Sisson on June 28, 2017, 01:22:00 AM
Ok -
How'd you squeeze the spring planks together to get the swing hangers on?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 28, 2017, 02:30:41 AM
Two more photos of Saturday's roll out:
(http://wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/20170624_113120.png)

(http://wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/20170624_113036.png)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 28, 2017, 03:17:06 AM
And ... the photos are already outdated because the second door track box has been built and the trim is prime painted. 
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 28, 2017, 08:55:31 PM
Lol. Stewart I have found photos get outdated very quickly around the railroad. :)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on June 30, 2017, 01:38:36 AM
Wow so sorry I missed the rollout.  Having been involved with some the work, I feel like I missed a family birthday party.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on June 30, 2017, 02:00:11 AM
I was sad I missed it too, but no worries, it will be replayed several times over the upcoming weeks/months, each time a little bit more complete than last.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 01, 2017, 04:49:44 AM
See what happens when ya woik too fast?  ;D No problemmo.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on September 09, 2017, 05:51:01 PM
The B&SR did not letter the cars in later years; but since this is an educational project; maybe some sort of lettering could be added to let the visitors know what the car is?

Is the box car in the Car Barn while the new concrete floor is being worked on in the engine house?

Ted Miles
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 09, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 21, 2017, 11:56:45 PM
Eric has started working on forging parts for 67

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_6587_zpsyx8bqrog.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 06, 2018, 09:55:11 PM
Zack has been working on the ladders

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0106181041_zpsffvnr34g.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 07, 2018, 04:57:28 PM
Beautiful work.
What's next...roof or doors?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 07, 2018, 06:44:37 PM
Roof is going to be done by the pros. Zack is starting on the ends. Doors are awaiting track to be constructed.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on January 07, 2018, 10:14:12 PM
 #67 will have a tin roof installed like it originally had.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 10, 2018, 07:44:23 PM
Zack has continued to work on the North end of 67.


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0210181406_zpsgdfuxlzu.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0210181405a_zpseslsteyt.jpg)
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on February 10, 2018, 11:38:43 PM
Zach is way too amazing....
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 11, 2018, 04:18:36 AM
Zack has really done an amazing job on 67.  Very impressive.  I noticed on the North end of 67 there are differences in the hand rails between the top two and the bottom two. 

Why are the two lower hand rails bent in different directions?

Plus there is a center hand rail.  Is this so one can cross over the couplers standing on the end sill buffer blocks? 

Also, could someone take a picture of the lower piece of steel bar that looks like it may be part of an uncoupling lever?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 11, 2018, 05:40:39 AM
Outstanding work, Zack.
BTW, those end wall standoff steps make dandy vertical handles on big, heavy rolling doors.  :D

Uncoupling, or cut levers have vertical grab handle ends, need to be mounted on a car end bottom so they can rotate and have their opposite right angle ends pull this type coupler's lock pin straight up from the top.
Newer couplers push their locking brackets up from underneath, are not affected by weather as much.
I've yanked a few on the ATSF.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on February 11, 2018, 03:05:53 PM
Beautiful work, Zack.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 11, 2018, 05:01:21 PM
Bill,

The bottom ones were bent that way originally to hook onto framing. The center step is supposed to be like the top 3 originally, but again is like that to catch a framing member, then bent to get it to the proper spacing.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 12, 2018, 01:58:53 AM
67 looks terrif as is. Just don't ever "wrap" it in huge ads like Abq buses.
Awful.  :'(
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 12, 2018, 12:05:06 PM
67 looks terrif as is. Just don't ever "wrap" it in huge ads like Abq buses.

Funny you should mention that - Saturday we were thinking once the Mountain Extension is complete we paint it some bright neon color, park it at the end of the track by 218, with a "Visit the WW&F Railway Museum!" message on it.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on February 12, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
67 looks terrif as is. Just don't ever "wrap" it in huge ads like Abq buses.

Funny you should mention that - Saturday we were thinking once the Mountain Extension is complete we paint it some bright neon color, park it at the end of the track by 218, with a "Visit the WW&F Railway Museum!" message on it.

...with a photo of Fred smiling and waving.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 12, 2018, 02:30:47 PM
67 looks terrif as is. Just don't ever "wrap" it in huge ads like Abq buses.

Funny you should mention that - Saturday we were thinking once the Mountain Extension is complete we paint it some bright neon color, park it at the end of the track by 218, with a "Visit the WW&F Railway Museum!" message on it.

...with a photo of Fred smiling and waving.

I like the Fred waving Picture Idea. 
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on February 12, 2018, 02:56:27 PM
67 looks terrif as is. Just don't ever "wrap" it in huge ads like Abq buses.

Funny you should mention that - Saturday we were thinking once the Mountain Extension is complete we paint it some bright neon color, park it at the end of the track by 218, with a "Visit the WW&F Railway Museum!" message on it.

...with a photo of Fred smiling and waving.

I like the Fred waving Picture Idea.

Why go with a picture? Take one of Fred's chairs from TOM and set it down by 218. Provide Fred with a small table and some lemonade. ;D

I forgot to add - and a big umbrella, in case it's raining or too hot. :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 12, 2018, 03:07:15 PM
67 looks terrif as is. Just don't ever "wrap" it in huge ads like Abq buses.

Funny you should mention that - Saturday we were thinking once the Mountain Extension is complete we paint it some bright neon color, park it at the end of the track by 218, with a "Visit the WW&F Railway Museum!" message on it.

...with a photo of Fred smiling and waving.

I like the Fred waving Picture Idea.

Why go with a picture? Take one of Fred's chairs from TOM and set it down by 218. Provide Fred with a small table and some lemonade. ;D

Jeff S.

Put a chain saw beside the chair so he can explain how he singlehandedly cleared the ROW, which he almost did.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on February 13, 2018, 12:04:30 PM
If you keep talking about Fred and his use of a chain saw, he's going to start looking for those different type of tree call a homosapien, it has only Four limbs to cut. You might say I'm branching out in a new direction!!!
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on February 13, 2018, 01:00:30 PM
If you keep talking about Fred and his use of a chain saw, he's going to start looking for those different type of tree call a homosapien, it has only Four limbs to cut. You might say I'm branching out in a new direction!!!

So you are saying Fred is "a cut above the rest"?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 12, 2018, 04:36:39 PM
This gig is almost ready for Saturday Night Live!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Skyler Kimball on July 11, 2018, 01:59:36 PM
Is Box Car 67 considered completed, or just on hold due to other projects?
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 11, 2018, 04:00:43 PM
It is on hold.  It needs door tracks and some grab bars, among other things.  I think the doors themselves are done, just got no place to hang them.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 11, 2018, 04:03:09 PM
Roof also, but that is waiting for the doors..
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 11, 2018, 07:16:57 PM
It is on hold.  It needs door tracks and some grab bars, among other things.  I think the doors themselves are done, just got no place to hang them.

No place to hang them, or nothing to hang them with?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 11, 2018, 07:43:11 PM
Had to be made. We had hoped that some others would be correct so put off making new ones. Once it was discovered they were not correct, a pattern was sent to the foundry..
Title: Re: Box Car 67 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on July 12, 2018, 04:06:17 AM
I have 4 rollers that match the baggage car