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Title: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 13, 2015, 02:19:39 PM
With completion of track to TOM and looking at the future expansion, what is happening with the planning and design for the Trout Brook bridge.  I know there was mention a Looonnngggg while ago from someone who offered to help with the design who was a bridge design engineer but that discussion has fallen silent.  As a person with an extensive construction background, the lead time to accomplish such a task is long indeed.  Between environmental impact statements, design review, local and state approvals, this process can take several years.  IMHO it is time to get this process going in earnest as we may very well find ourselves building down the mountain only to find out that the bridge becomes a major obstacle.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 13, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
This process has been proceeding in the background.  Many small, unremarkable details ensue to these types of projects but don't really deserve reporting.  Our bridge engineer is still on board; the town has been consulted for any ordinance issues, and we have engaged the DEP.  in short- lack of report doesn't mean lack of progress!

Thanks for your interest- we don't mind answering these inquiries at all!  We'll certainly report when something noteworthy comes along.

Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 14, 2015, 11:47:36 AM
Jason,  thanks for the response.  I know there is so much going on that sometimes things get pushed to the side but I am glad that the big goal has not been forgotten.  Do we have a conceptual site plan and design as of yet?  I know when you start speaking with DEP type folks they want to see something on paper or they just brush you off.  It would be really nice to see either a newsletter article or something posted on the site so we can envision what is happening.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 14, 2015, 11:59:10 AM
John, there has been some preliminary work, but the thing is now trying to see what DEP wil allow there, before any bridge design is made or finalized. We are still some 3000 feet, a wash out and a large slide away from needing the bridge. So by the time we get there, we should just be laying track up to and over the bridge. Several, like 5 or so, years away.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 15, 2015, 06:01:56 PM
Bridge design will be similar to the original Trout Brook Trestle with talks of potential being reinforced with steel, but hidden in such a manner that it still looks like the original.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on August 07, 2017, 08:05:29 PM
Folks,
         I ran across a reference to the Maine Department of Environmental Protection. which said that it has to do with preserving salmon and trout streams.

A waterway with the name Trout Creek; would I am sure be of interest to such an organization!

I hope that a contact has been made. I know in California where I live; the sooner the better is the rule of thumb to go by in dealing with this sort of agency.

I am a historian, not an engineer; but I should think some steel in the new bridge; given the history of the bridge failing in service in 1905.

Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 07, 2017, 08:28:55 PM
The appropriate environmental agencies (Maine DEP and Army Corps of Engineers) have both signed off on our preliminary plans to bridge Trout Brook (which I doubt contains any trout at the location of our crossing.) The new bridge design is still being worked out - but look for an official announcement very soon.

Let's just say, we have this covered.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 07, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
Would this have anything to do with a project in NH?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 07, 2017, 09:21:16 PM
The July directors meeting minutes posted yesterday mentions the bridge.

Let's just say, we have this covered.

You worry me, Ed.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 07, 2017, 10:22:45 PM
Trout brook has no fish in it, at least for most of the year where the railroad crosses, as the brook becomes less than a stream most years.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on August 07, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
...most likely named after some guy named "Trout"
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 07, 2017, 10:49:46 PM
Better than many of the rivers, creeks, and streams here in PA which have native American names which no one can pronounce!  Now that's paybacks.   :D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 08, 2017, 01:21:39 AM
Ok. In an effort to keep things understood, the brook in question is Trout Brook. It is a Tributary to Sheepscot River. Sheepscot River is a protected waterway, for Salmon, I think Atlantic Salmon. This is why we approached the Maine DEP, and the Army Corps of Engineers before beginning work down the mountain.

Ed is somewhat correct in his statement. We have not appllied for any permits yet, so permission has not been granted. Both said they preferred a bridge crossing because Less disturbance to the subtrate.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on August 14, 2017, 07:13:15 PM
Thoughts on design considerations for spanning Trout Creek (take 'em or leave em'):

Bailey Bridges can be easier to transport, handle, and install. (baileybridge.com being one source)

Prefab Abutments are an option  (www.stonestrong.com/blocks are available not far from Wiscasset)

Anyone talk to Maine National Guard, they do have a construction company. Just like with Humason Trestle this might be an option especially if methods that they normally use are leveraged. e.g Bailey Bridges are SOP for the Army.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on August 15, 2017, 01:32:58 AM
Joe,
       I read someplace that the original and 1905 replacement bridges were Queen Truss designs.
I hope that modern standards will allow something that looks historic on the site of the earlier bridges. and if steel is required it can be covered or disguised to look old.

So far the railway seems like it is 1910; I hope the agencies let the museum keep to that. In fact, not doing so would go against the Secretaries Standards for Historic Preservation.

as you can tell from my earlier posts this subject is important to me!

 Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 15, 2017, 11:58:27 AM
New options have come into play, stay tuned for details in the annual fund drive letter. Other steps are being taken as well, and time will tell what can happen and when.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 21, 2017, 04:17:28 PM
As you may or may not know by now, the Museum has been gifted a bridge. And not just any bridge. A B&M Howe Pony Covered Truss Bridge. By the National Society for the Preservation of Covered Bridges. This bridge has had it's trusses rebuilt, and comes with new cross timbers. We have been working with the NSPCB president Bill Caswell to iron out the details and help preserve this bridge as a historic structure.

There is some history that this bridge had. The Moose Brook Bridge on the Boston and Maine Berlin (NH) Branch. The line was abandoned in 1993 and turned rail-trail, then someone burnt the bridge in 2004. This is the reason for rebuilding. You can read about it more here, and what the original plan for the restored bridge was here..http://bridgehunter.com/nh/coos/moose-brook/ (http://bridgehunter.com/nh/coos/moose-brook/)
Note, some of the links on that page no longer work or are not active..

This bridge also comes with assembly paid for. Through a prearranged agreement between the National Park Service and a company called Barns & Bridges of New England.

We are responsible for any additional expenses. For example, we will be allowing Barns and Bridges to stay at the house during the assembly, and our volunteers will help with assembly to assist the contractor in timely completion. Also, any modifications that are made to the bridge, we assume the cost of that.

Current plans are for pressure treating of timbers this fall before assembly in Sheepscot. Assembly needs to take place before December 31, as this is the date the funding for assembly expires. This funding has already been extended several times, and asking for another extension may not be favorable.


This is the Snyder Brook Bridge. A sister to the Moose Brook Bridge we have been offered. It was removed from its abuttments about 4 years ago, the abuttments repaired and new siding installed and reset back into position. These images are from July 4th, 2017.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0704171040_zps2mkhf4jo.jpg)

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 22, 2017, 02:50:32 AM
On 8/8/17 we had a drill rig come and take core samples at Trout Brook to determine what kind of foundation will be needed for the bridge abutments. Core samples were taken every 5 feet until the 45 foot mark when the casing in the bore hole broke. The original plan was to drill until bedrock was hit but the engineer determined we had enough soil data for the abutments at 45 feet. The bore hole was in glacial till (gravel) when the casing broke. The next thing the drill would have hit was bedrock however far down the rock was. The bore hole consisted of the railroad fill, then the usual layer of clay found in the Alna area, and then the glacial till.

Drilling rig

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Drilling rig setup on the right of way on the north side of Trout Brook.

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Looking up to the right of way from Trout Brook.

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Pulling out the drill pipe to put the bore sample tube down the hole.

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Drilling down another five feet.

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The driller checking to see what kind of material is coming back up the pipe in the water.

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The driller removing a piece of drill pipe.

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Another view of the drilling rig setup.

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All packed up and driving back down the right of way to the truck.

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Loading up at RT 218.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 22, 2017, 10:53:52 AM
Our local contractor had mowed the ROW for us, using his excavator. This allowed the drill rig easy access.

ROW as of now.

Looking North from the trail entrance. 218 is through the tree tunnel.

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Looking South from the trail entrance

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Looking South about halfway through the curve

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Bridge site.

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Turned around and looking North.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 05, 2017, 11:07:26 PM
My just-arrived WW&F Annual Fund Drive letter shows a perfect, timely gift to the railroad...Eric Schade's sketch of a  Howe, pony truss covered bridge to span  Trout Brook, donated by the National Society for the Preservation of Covered Bridges Inc., with assembly funds from the National Park Service, Historic Engineering Record!

WW&F will need to pay for "site preparation, approaches, abutments, actual erection of the bridge". There is a timetable for acceptance, with plans to bring bridge parts to Sheepscot "later this year" by volunteers for rebuild to 2-foot gauge.
Permitting and site soil test  borings are now done.       

The 1918 Boston & Maine standard gauge bridge, fire-damaged in 2004 but with new wood replacing damage, formerly stood astride a branch line to Berlin, NH.
The letter credits bridge engineer Wayne Duffett with finding the span.

The letter also points out installing this bridge ASAP  "will advance our efforts by at least two years!"

Ya know, sometimes miracles do happen. 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 05, 2017, 11:27:21 PM
Here are some interesting links regarding the bridge:
https://www.loc.gov/item/nh0298/ (https://www.loc.gov/item/nh0298/)
http://bridgehunter.com/nh/coos/moose-brook/ (http://bridgehunter.com/nh/coos/moose-brook/)
http://www.woodcenter.org/docs/dayton-conference/marstonandrewsmesler_moosebrook.pdf (http://www.woodcenter.org/docs/dayton-conference/marstonandrewsmesler_moosebrook.pdf)

Also, it should be noted that a bridge of the same design was installed in Head Tide as a road bridge. It is completely appropriate for a bridge of this style be erected at Trout Brook.

Now is the time to act on this, and be sure to support the fundraising efforts.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 05, 2017, 11:29:03 PM

The letter points out installing this bridge ASAP  "will advance our efforts by at least two years!"

Ya know, sometimes miracles do happen.

Yes, Paul, there is a Santa Claus.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 05, 2017, 11:35:41 PM
Ed...glad you pointed out the bridge will be acceptable design-wise.
I'm fired up with this nooz!  ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 05, 2017, 11:42:14 PM
Moreover, the original railway has a history of reusing standard gauge bridges - the Whitefield Iron Bridge comes immediately to mind.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 06, 2017, 12:15:38 AM
Thank you Ed for moving this thread.

This is a very exciting time for us.

There has been much work done behind the scenes, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot, for at least 2 years that I know of.

We are in the application process, and the town permit will be the first sought after.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 06, 2017, 12:24:28 AM
Sooooo, we are hoping to get the "Moose Brook" bridge?  How appropriate for the area.  Almost had my truck wiped out by one returning to Bangor on 218 after a day at the RR back in 2011.  Are we planning on having a true covered bridge with a full roof or just side sheathed?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 06, 2017, 12:53:34 AM
Look at my photos of the Snyder Brook Bridge. Trout Brook Bridge will be identical when complete, only narrowed.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 06, 2017, 12:57:00 AM
Just got my Annual Fund Drive letter too. Cool looking structure! Almost seems a shame to cover up that beautiful wooden truss!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 06, 2017, 01:54:17 AM
Well John, how about Plexiglass (TM) sheathing?

(Kidding!)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 06, 2017, 02:45:07 AM
What will the final dimensions of the bridge be?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 06, 2017, 03:50:42 AM
Looking at Ed and Mike's very-rebuilt-bridge pics, the RR will get a practically brand new structure. ;)  Yes, wish the truss members would be visible.
BUT THAT'S NOT A COMPLAINT !!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 06, 2017, 06:59:41 AM
Plexiglass....hmm. Clearly, that's the solution!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 06, 2017, 09:58:15 AM
Inside dimensions are going to be 10 feet, which is the width of our shop doors. This puts the exterior width at about 14 feet, with exception to the two longer timbers thay hold the bracing.

Planning now to send some of the timbers to be pressure treated. But it needs to be done quickly because the deadline for the reassembly funding is Dec. 31...quickly approaching..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 06, 2017, 12:04:22 PM
46' long??
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 06, 2017, 12:35:43 PM
48' Long
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mark Spremulli on September 06, 2017, 12:37:05 PM
Is there a possibility that the bridge could be covered with a roof?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 06, 2017, 12:58:44 PM
Is there a possibility that the bridge could be covered with a roof?

Our bridge engineer was quite unhappy with that idea because of steam locomotives throwing stuff out the stack as they charge upgrade.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mark Spremulli on September 06, 2017, 01:06:03 PM
Oh cool no problem. Will still make a wonderful addition to the ride. Great photo ops abound
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 06, 2017, 03:05:22 PM
Regarding the hidden trusswork issue, why not just omit sheathing the trusses? Though the sheathing undoubtedly makes the 'walls'  stiffer, the rebuilt pics show those heavy truss elements apparently very able to do their job without help.
Is it mandatory that EVERY original bridge feature  be kept? It's going to be modified anyway to suit WW&F use.

Truss design and apps have always fascinated me, a brilliant way to safely span areas  using just-enough elements.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 06, 2017, 03:11:05 PM
The whole idea behind covered bridges is to keep the structural members out of the weather.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 06, 2017, 03:16:59 PM
Brendan...gotcha.  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 06, 2017, 03:31:40 PM
The sheathed over trusses include a roof on top of the box running the length of the span which keeps water out of the truss system.  Our bridge will have a roof on both sides.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 06, 2017, 03:45:18 PM
Thanks, Start.
Will you all start work when the bridge pieces arrive at Sheepscot in the next few weeks, or wait until next spring?
I look forward  to following this project, along with the track extension work north.  :D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 06, 2017, 04:53:07 PM
The deadline for the NPS funding to cover reassembly is December 31st 2017 so we want to get the span rebuilt to 10' wide (inside measurement) this year.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 06, 2017, 05:42:51 PM
With regard to plexiglass, would it make sense to replace a section of the sheathing with a sheet of plexiglass so that visitors can see the truss inside?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on September 06, 2017, 06:30:42 PM
With regard to plexiglass, would it make sense to replace a section of the sheathing with a sheet of plexiglass so that visitors can see the truss inside?
We could also photograph the assembly process and produce a couple of very large poster prints for display nearby. Another possibility would be a small (or full-size) model of the truss, again for display nearby (but out of visitor camera range).
-John M
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on September 06, 2017, 07:24:04 PM
I too like the acrylic covering idea. But maybe just a 4' X 8" window.

Are the abutments to be just poured concrete? Or can they be dressed to look like Dressed Stone?
Ideally it would be dressed Stone. Is anything left of the original abutments? I don't remember from previous
pix. None seen in latest.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on September 06, 2017, 08:44:00 PM
Does the bridge have to be set in place by Dec 31 or just reassembled and ready to go?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 06, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
Now that the embargo is over ...

What was the result of the core samples? Were both ends sampled, the other forum entry only talked about the north side. Since it was implied the bridge isn't quite long enough to fully span Trout Brook, what is the approach going to look like? Fill? Trestle? Poured concrete abutments with forms or precast sections with poured concrete infill?

Did someone do an artist's representation?

Inquiring engineers are interested...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 06, 2017, 08:54:35 PM
Just reassembled and ready to go (more than likely somewhere on the Sheepscot Campus).  Before anything happens onsite, we need to get permitted through Town of Alna, DEP, Army Corps, etc.  It may actually sit there for a year or so.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 06, 2017, 09:03:59 PM
So the December 31 funding deadline is just to get Barns & Bridges of New England to resize the bridge to 10' wide? It wasn't clear what needed to be done by the deadline.

Oh, and the actual bridge prior to the fire at it's original location in NH ...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 06, 2017, 09:14:41 PM
In reply to Carl's comment above, that's what I was thinking. Just one section to illustrate what the "interior" of the covered section looks like, obviously on the track side so folks on the train can see it.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 06, 2017, 10:03:19 PM
Question. Was plexiglass around in 1910? No. The trusses will not be visible through any plexiglass at all unless the train is stopped.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 06, 2017, 10:34:16 PM
Seems to me that a plexiglass panel in the bridge would reinforce one of our tenets: education of our visitors. It would not detract from the view of the bridge if it were on the inside of the cover, and since the train would be slowing for the station stop, folks could at least get a glimpse of the truss design if they wanted to look.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 06, 2017, 10:54:08 PM
A few things to mention to not make it seem like money raised this year will sit around for an unknown time span. With the necessary funds to do site prep work, permits, etc. Work will begin as soon as it makes sense and the museum doesn't want a bridge sitting in the parking lot, or other valuable location for years on end. By installing the bridge hopefully next year, this will literally be one less bridge we have to fill when the tracks get there, thus speeding up our track laying efforts considerably.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 06, 2017, 11:15:20 PM
Wayne,
We could do a 25% scale model (10ft long vs. 46ft for the actual) of one of the trusses at the "Trout Brook Station" near the RT 218 crossing. We could either 3-D print the cast iron nodes or actually cast them at Catskill Castings in Greene/Walton, NY or at Cattail near you.

The scale model would be a great avenue for the fundraising, a plaque could be put on / near the model to acknowledge the donors without being in any photos taken near the bridge.

The scale model could also be used as an exhibit to interpret the history of the bridge and the science/engineering behind Howe's design. We might even be able to do some interactivity with the exhibit. We would then have a science exhibit and it might open some additional avenues for fundraising.

Alex
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 06, 2017, 11:21:37 PM
By installing the bridge hopefully next year, this will literally be one less bridge we have to fill when the tracks get there,

Does that mean that it is "A Bridge Not too Far"? I still think that is a cool name for the Fundraising Campaign.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Rick Rowlands on September 06, 2017, 11:29:22 PM
Why not make part of the track side sheathing into a door that could be opened to show the interior structure?  Keep closed to protect the structure, then swing it open on operating days.  That would be more of an early 20th century solution than plexiglas.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 06, 2017, 11:52:15 PM
I LIKE that idea, Rick!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 07, 2017, 12:59:35 AM
Rick, I had that exact same idea, but lacking the time to really try and get the idea across..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 07, 2017, 01:11:16 AM
Guys, what are we thinking to get the walking/biking trail across Trout Creek parallel to the bridge?  That will need some planning with the Mid-Coast Conservancy folks.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on September 07, 2017, 01:20:19 AM
I like Rick's idea - no anachronisms. Sliding rather than swinging doors.
Less likely to get hit?

And rather than a 1/4 scale model a 1/8 scale would be easier to put way for the winter.
Iron fittings could be welded or made from PVC or some such.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 07, 2017, 01:55:27 AM
Guys, what are we thinking to get the walking/biking trail across Trout Creek parallel to the bridge?  That will need some planning with the Mid-Coast Conservancy folks.

The Midcoast trail does not go across the stream. I believe in prior threads on the TOM trails it was stated that Midcoast does not have any plans on putting a trail on the other bank.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on September 07, 2017, 01:57:41 AM
I like Rick's idea - no anachronisms. Sliding rather than swinging doors.
Less likely to get hit?

And rather than a 1/4 scale model a 1/8 scale would be easier to put way for the winter.
Iron fittings could be welded or made from PVC or some such.
I think we still have the Humason Brook Bridge model. It would be interesting and educational to have the Trout Brook Bridge model be the same scale.....

John M
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 07, 2017, 04:04:43 AM
I like Rick's idea - no anachronisms. Sliding rather than swinging doors.
Less likely to get hit?

And rather than a 1/4 scale model a 1/8 scale would be easier to put way for the winter.
Iron fittings could be welded or made from PVC or some such.

The nodes are rather ingenious castings, it would be easier to 3D print or cast new parts at the proper scale than to fabricate from flat plate

http://www.woodcenter.org/docs/dayton-conference/MarstonAndrewsMesler_MooseBrook.pdf (http://www.woodcenter.org/docs/dayton-conference/MarstonAndrewsMesler_MooseBrook.pdf)
http://coveredbridgesociety.org/gorham/gorham-handout.pdf (http://coveredbridgesociety.org/gorham/gorham-handout.pdf)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on September 08, 2017, 01:42:04 AM
Resize the bridge. Only the two pony trusses have been built. To resize the bridge, new deck timbers etc. will be ordered with a length shorter than standard gauge size.
New deck will be 10 feet wide between Trusses.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on September 09, 2017, 08:54:35 AM
Hi Guys,

You may want to widen the bridge to about 12'.  A 2' gauge wooden wedge plow is about 9' wide and it may be good to allow an extra foot or two on each side for safety's sake.

You don't want a repeat of the Fred H. Allen incident.  (passenger killed)


Best Regards,
Glenn

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on September 09, 2017, 11:09:27 AM
I checked the clearance requirements. Standard gauge requires three foot three inches on each side, I think the widest equipment used on the WW&F was 7 foot so 7+6'6" =13' 6". for safety's sake, and to allow the crew to easily walk by a train stopped on the bridge we should not go narrower than that.
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 09, 2017, 11:15:22 AM
I believe Mike's calculations are correct for modern safety code.  Also, the question of FRA rules applying sometime in the future should be taken into consideration.  Better to adjust for it now than redo it later.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 09, 2017, 11:16:21 AM
We'll consider a wider clearance, and seek the advice of our railroad bridge engineer.  Everyone's thoughts on the matter are understood and appreciated.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 09, 2017, 12:35:11 PM
My thought is this, we can't walk by a train on Humason so why would we need it on this one? The original railroad only designed bridges wide enough for a train, nothing more. In my opinion, to look more like a bridge the railroad would have had, one just wide enough for a train is what we should have.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 09, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Not to harp continuously on the subject, but I read that the original Moose Brook bridge include two inspection panels on each truss to assess the condition of the timbers and monitor the tightness of the tension rods. Would it be anathema to use a piece of plexiglass or Lexan to replace one inspection panel on each truss?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on September 09, 2017, 04:37:54 PM
Folks,
         I read the bridge announcement on the Facebook pages. I think this is a wonderful piece of historic preservation. Just another example of how the WW&F Railway Museum does projects with that extra effort that makes them really shine!  The next day my annul fund letter arrived; I will send a contribution!

Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 09, 2017, 10:06:12 PM
Would we ever want to build a replica Maine two-foot wedge plow?  We have rolling stock from other Maine two-footers, so it's not necessarily outside of our mission...

(BTW, I think wedge plows are really cool, next only to D&RG rotaries.)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 09, 2017, 11:29:15 PM
WW&F had some wedge plows.  If we ever want to get serious about winter operations, then we need a plow and a flanger.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on September 10, 2017, 12:47:19 AM
Don't forget that Engine 52 has a wedge plow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KySu8wd5yTo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KySu8wd5yTo)
-John M
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 10, 2017, 12:47:53 AM
Not to harp continuously on the subject, but I read that the original Moose Brook bridge include two inspection panels on each truss to assess the condition of the timbers and monitor the tightness of the tension rods. Would it be anathema to use a piece of plexiglass or Lexan to replace one inspection panel on each truss?

I don't think you will see much through there. I would be concerned about sweating, then eventual rot of what it is hooked to.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 10, 2017, 01:09:15 AM
Okay. I know when I'm beaten. (sigh)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 10, 2017, 05:17:54 PM
I guess they saw through your best arguments, Wayne!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 10, 2017, 06:54:01 PM
Ouch!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 10, 2017, 08:05:37 PM
This is not a PUNNY Truss. It is a PONY Truss..

Actually, during some of the original discussions, it was brought up that it would be grand to leave the interior of the trusses exposed. This then turned into roofing the whole structure to make it completely enclosed, looking similar to the covered bridge that was in Phillips. It was a major modification, not just slap a roof on it and be done. Height would need to be added. More discussions followed, and it was brought up that the original railroad would not have made a significant change like that. And since we are recreating what would have been, it was decided to keep the appearance as designed.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 10, 2017, 08:42:50 PM
Wayne.
I guess the whole issue is now open and shut!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 10, 2017, 09:29:52 PM
Not shut, just fully sheathed....... :D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 11, 2017, 12:01:23 AM
I guess the topic has been fully covered. Should move on before we get board.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 11, 2017, 12:16:30 AM
You wood put it that way.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 11, 2017, 12:19:36 AM
Stop now, before the moderator CUTS this thread.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 11, 2017, 12:21:41 AM
Perhaps the proper place to set up a display telling the bridge's story is somewhere on the Sheepscot campus, giving visitors the time and opportunity to learn the history and design of the bridge, either prior to or after riding the train.

Sometime shortly after our railroad had been rebuilt to Alna Center, I mentioned to Jason while passing over the Humason Brook trestle that after all the work that Harry and others, including the Marine Wing Support Squadron 472, Detachment B, of Selfridge Air National Guard Base in Mount Clemens, Michigan, had done, it was just momentary passing to train passengers.

We do make a point to mention the story of Humason in the museum guide booklet handed out to ticketed passengers, and the same will be done for the Moose/Trout Brook bridge.  We can also ask conductors to discuss the history of the bridge with passengers.

Signs can also be posted at each end of the bridge, though I'm not sure we want to encourage hikers to the bridge unless there's an adjacent trail.  Once the railhead reaches Route 218, perhaps a program can be developed to offer periodic walking tours back to the bridge.  In that case, it would make sense to provide a removable panel so tour guides can show the truss structure.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 11, 2017, 01:11:57 AM
"In that case, it would make sense to provide a removable panel so tour guides can show the truss structure."

And mosquito repellant!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 11, 2017, 10:05:44 AM
Considering that we will need to re-route a Midcoast Conservancy trail or two to get them off the track bed, while doing that we can include a sign near where the trail crosses close to the bridge that covers the history of the bridge. 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 11, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
Part of the requirement for the gift of this bridge is the construction of an informational Kiosk, near the bridge.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 11, 2017, 11:44:12 AM
Wayne RIPS another one.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 11, 2017, 02:21:22 PM
Why not just have a model at the Trout Brook station and explain it there during the layover. It can be interactive and show the science behind the bridge.

If we start showcasing the science behind the railway we can go after new foundation funding sources instead of just coming from a historical angle.

I think we want to keep people from being too close to the bridge on an active rail line. There are lots of opportunities for injuries.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 11, 2017, 02:24:05 PM
"In that case, it would make sense to provide a removable panel so tour guides can show the truss structure."

And mosquito repellant!

don't forget the tick repellant!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 11, 2017, 02:37:13 PM
The existing Trout Brook Preserve trail comes to within sight of the bridge's North embankment. I think the kiosk should be located there (but not obstructing photography of the bridge) and include, among its information, a notice to not trespass onto the bridge itself. A couple of period "no trespassing" signs on the north end of the bridge would also be appropriate.

Moreover, since the approach trestle will also be on the north side, assuming that does not have sides and/or a walkway, that alone will discourage many trespassers. Of course, that also limits our access to the bridge if we want to give tours when it is safe to do so.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 11, 2017, 02:47:50 PM
Perhaps at the bottom of the embankment on the preserve's parking lot side?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on September 11, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
I would think that the point at which the stop will be located would be a good location for the trail to cross the railway and for the interpretive kiosk. If this is too far from the bridge site, locate the kiosk further down and direct visitors from the stop to the kiosk
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on September 12, 2017, 08:05:08 PM
Super cool news about the bridge!

I have a collection of original handwritten B&MRR divisional bridge and culvert notebooks and found the following about the Moose River Bridge.

It seems to be referred to as both bridge number 262 and 1085, was 2/10 of a mile east of Gorham and was called a PONY HOWE TRUSS. It states that it had a 39’ 6” clear span with a 46’ overall length and was 20’ from the base of the rails to the ground. It gives a measurement of 17’ 11” c to c trusses.

A construction date of 1892 is given which is just about perfect for our history. “Cast iron blocks put in in 1896”. “Trusses boarded up”. “6 new HP(hard pine) floor beams, ties & guards new in 1905”. “5 10” x 16” floor beams renewed in 1914”. “Rebuild 1918”.

I took several photographs of the pages but don’t know how to resize them fit here. I can email them to someone who can resize them and add them to this discussion if they like.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on September 12, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
I may have jumped the gun with my above post. The B&MRR records state that the bridge was "rebuilt" in 1918. Other online sources would seem to suggest that it was replaced in 1918 rather than "rebuilt" . If it was in fact replaced rather than rebuilt the data I supplied above pertains to our bridges predecessor rather than our bridge
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 12, 2017, 08:35:59 PM
I would surmise that the wood truss beams and cross-members were replaced in 1918.  I would venture to guess that the iron rods and castings are from the original structure.  So one could say its of 19th-early 20th century construction.  Time period still works for me.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 12, 2017, 10:21:59 PM
Whatever the history, it's all worth preserving...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 12, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
I believe that based on my research, the bridge replaced the original structure at that location.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 13, 2017, 01:29:45 PM
So I have a burning question. If we are going to use "Moose Brook" bridge to span Trout Brook, does that mean the bridge should be re-named "Moose Trout Brook" bridge? Is this like a Jackalope? ::)

I'd hate to meet a Moose Trout in a dark alley unless I had a skillet and some lemon. mmmm....
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 13, 2017, 02:03:46 PM
Make that a big skillet and a lot of lemons.  Mooses are big animals.  Or is that meeses?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 13, 2017, 02:30:02 PM
Here's something you should know...
The plural of moose is moose.
The plural of trout is trout.

So, if we got 2 bridges, they would be collectively known as the Moose Trout Brook Bridge.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 13, 2017, 02:53:55 PM
Ed,

I guess that is a better than response than the moderator sending me to the whimsy and tomfoolery listing.

Bill
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 13, 2017, 03:01:02 PM
Oh, don't worry; it's inevitable that part of this thread will end up getting flooded with bridge and water puns.
But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 13, 2017, 03:25:34 PM
As a frustrated Charlie Brown would finally lament..."I can't stand it!"  :D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 13, 2017, 03:29:31 PM
A New Hampshire Bridge over a Maine Brook..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 13, 2017, 03:59:52 PM
Must be part of the just-started New England Share A Bridge Program.
Wonderful!  ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 13, 2017, 05:15:03 PM
Make that a big skillet and a lot of lemons.  Mooses are big animals.  Or is that meeses?

I was assuming that the Trout genes were dominant, so the size would be small, but the horns would be a pain to deal with...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 14, 2017, 11:59:18 PM
Only slightly related, in this morning's newspaper, a local campground owner is offering two connected covered bridges for $1 to the person or organization that will move them to a place of safety.

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/this-historic-covered-bridge-on-pequea-creek-can-be-yours/article_c290ee86-98c9-11e7-a7fe-47616505b471.html
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 15, 2017, 07:06:35 AM
I bet it has some really nice truss work under that sheeting!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 20, 2017, 08:16:53 PM
The saving of the Moose Brook bridge has been mentioned by Trains magazine's online columnist Justin Franz as an example of great collaboration in historic preservation. Read more at: http://cs.trains.com/trn/b/observation-tower/archive/2017/09/20/history-lost-history-saved.aspx (http://cs.trains.com/trn/b/observation-tower/archive/2017/09/20/history-lost-history-saved.aspx)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on September 21, 2017, 11:30:37 AM
Oh, don't worry; it's inevitable that part of this thread will end up getting flooded with bridge and water puns.
But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

I truss that you have an angle on this subject. I'm beaming with anticipation.  8)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 21, 2017, 11:41:54 AM
Oh no........ now it begins......... I have never seen such a clever group of railroad enthusiasts.....
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on September 21, 2017, 11:52:45 AM
Oh no........ now it begins......... I have never seen such a clever group of railroad enthusiasts.....

It keeps the forum lively. Careful though, compliments like that will cause a boil over into a steaming pile of puns. Just don't rake me over the coals for adding fuel to the fire.  :o
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 21, 2017, 12:08:08 PM
Warning; sometimes it does sometimes get the moderator steaming.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on September 21, 2017, 12:22:43 PM
Warning; sometimes it does sometimes get the moderator steaming.

Hence why 2 puns per week is my limit. Don't want the mods throwing ballast at me.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 21, 2017, 12:40:06 PM
If you limit to just two puns per week,
you may not be able to bridge the gap,
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 21, 2017, 12:59:31 PM
And as the Brits would say 'Mind the gap'.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 21, 2017, 02:17:34 PM
As long as our puns don't become a Bridge Too Far...........
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 04, 2017, 04:43:43 PM
After several weeks of planning, the bridge parts were shipped today from Gorham, NH, and arrived in Sheepscot to be unloaded a little after 1. Lee Corrigan of Lee T. Corrigan LLC of Gorham had a crew available to load when NC Hunt arrived, and due to the time it took I would say it went like clock work. A major step is now behind us.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 04, 2017, 05:59:43 PM
Any photos taken of the unloading? Would like to have 1 really good one saved for the Story...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 04, 2017, 06:23:10 PM
The Facebook Team was there, so some will show up soon
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 05, 2017, 12:30:53 AM
Photos Courtesy of Jason

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 05, 2017, 12:34:48 AM
Wow.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 05, 2017, 12:49:07 AM
Kudos to Steve Z.  He was a master at using the forklift to unload the NC Hunt trucks.  As you can see, the 48' trusses were especially precarious. It all went like clockwork at this end as well.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 05, 2017, 01:56:25 AM
Let's tell people that assembly is a Fall Work Weekend project. ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 05, 2017, 03:48:56 AM
Wow squared!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 05, 2017, 09:56:55 AM
Why does this look like one of those "some assembly required" purchases?   ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 05, 2017, 10:08:43 AM
Instructions and batteries not included.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 05, 2017, 10:51:05 AM
Very impressive.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on October 05, 2017, 04:53:45 PM
Did I see "Campbell" on one of the trucks?  That's going to take one huuge bottle of Zap a gap.   :P
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 05, 2017, 07:06:22 PM
Is there a 90-day return guarantee? Assembly handbook?  ;D
BTW, good FWW luck!
PLEASE bombard us with pics!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 05, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
And I'd say the pic of Steve forklift-moving that balanced, heavy,  truss chord is a winner. He's good!
Used to run a bedraggled, WWII Clark forklift at 2926 rebuild with a few well-meaning guys directing me simultaneously, till I told all but one to SHUT UP!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 06, 2017, 04:02:18 PM
That final picture of the group makes you realize how valuable it is to have a flat parking lot. I don't remember what Mother Nature had created there beforehand, but doubt it was that flat. So a big thank you to the volunteers who leveled it in the past.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on October 06, 2017, 07:21:34 PM
I'm sure there are reasons why the bridge is being assembled where it is, but from an armchair construction superintendent's viewpoint, it would seem easier to transport the pieces of the bridge and assemble it on-site once the piers are finished.  It would seem that the track could be extended to the south pier and the bottom chords transported via flatcar(s) and lifted into place with a much smaller (and cheaper) crane than a completed bridge would require.  The rest of the bridge could be transported in like manner.  Of course, I realize what works in one's head doesn't always work in practice.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 06, 2017, 08:45:27 PM
The bridge has to be assembled by Dec. 31, 2017. There is a signed contract between the National Preservation Society for Covered Bridges, National Park Service and Barns & Bridges of New England to cover assembly. To delay any further would be another extension that the National Park Service was not in favor of. So we build it.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on October 06, 2017, 09:33:30 PM
Gotcha!  That explains it.  I've always heard that you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth (unless it's a gigantic wooden one left in the middle of the night).
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 06, 2017, 09:34:12 PM
Can we construct it at Sheepscot, photograph it, number the pieces, disassemble it when the site is ready, and reconstruct it on-site?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on October 06, 2017, 10:36:38 PM
It makes sense to transport the bridge as one piece and set it in one shot once assembled. Saves money on transporting back and forth, saves hassel of trying to reassemble in place, and at that point we would basically be setting a pre-fabed bridge so that may make other things a little easier/different.

It makes sense to have the bridge ready for track before the track reaches it so it does not hault progress. Humason Brook was completed before the track got there, and it worked very well.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 06, 2017, 11:25:52 PM
We talked about using a house moving company to move and set the bridge.  Moving big objects is something they do, they know who to contact and what to get for permits, they'll have all the equipment needed to slide the bridge into place.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 07, 2017, 10:14:29 AM
We also want to minimize site work, so as to minimize potential environmental disturbance, and the time taken on site.  On site work must occur in the same work window that Mike was restricted to this summer; that work window must also include site prep, pile driving, abutment finishing, and final bridge setting.  Having the bridge arrive in one piece and set within a couple of days saves boatloads of time.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 07, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
Ah, bureaucracy...don'tcha love it?
The job time limit and site restrictions seem over the top.
But, knowing how you guys work, the bridge/supports will be set correctly in the time agreed to, and the site returned to original condition.  ;)
No doubt that clear, level, Sheepscot lot near tools and equipment, road access, will really help.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 07, 2017, 10:44:01 PM
What do I know, but it might not be so difficult to bring the assembled bridge up from 218 along the current conservancy trail/ROW???
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 09, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
http://m.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/free-bridge-arrives-ww-f-museum-s-push-north/92989
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 09, 2017, 10:02:33 PM
Thanks for the link to the article, Mike. Hopefully, it will generate some donations.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 10, 2017, 10:24:44 PM
Jason reports and supplied the pictures..

"Today we laid out 4 rows of cribbing, carefully leveled them, and placed the 4 chords in preparation of building the trusses.  They’ll be built on their side, prepped, and tipped inward until upright.  then the floor timbers will be brought in and attached from underneath"


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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 10, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
So that was what all the parking lot 'Casey' work was about Saturday afternoon.  Creating the flat spot to erect the bridge timbers. 

Another WW&F project continues to move along.

Bill
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on October 11, 2017, 12:33:08 AM
I know that at least some of the wood structure was damaged by fire and replaced. Are these longer members original or replacements?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 11, 2017, 12:45:28 AM
All of the wood timbers were replaced.
I believe that most (if not all) of the steel rods, castings, bolts, etc. were saved, reconditioned, and repaired.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 11, 2017, 01:12:02 AM
All of the wood timbers were replaced.
I believe that most (if not all) of the steel rods, castings, bolts, etc. were saved, reconditioned, and repaired.

All wood has been replaced, a few of the cast iron nodes were cracked and brazed, two nuts were made brand new...the rest of the metal is original.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 11, 2017, 01:15:07 AM
Jason reports and supplied the pictures..

"Today we laid out 4 rows of cribbing, carefully leveled them, and placed the 4 chords in preparation of building the trusses.  They’ll be built on their side, prepped, and tipped inward until upright.  then the floor timbers will be brought in and attached from underneath"

The cast iron nodes are the most ingenious part of the design, it allows for rapid on-site assembly of pre-fabricated parts like a jig-saw puzzle. 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 11, 2017, 08:24:45 AM
Helping lay out the bridge assembly yesterday, some construction details became evident.

To Alax’s Comment, it’s amazing what was considered “quick on site work.”  All of the nodes are let into the chord timbers in exacting fashion, so they bear evenly.  Further- the nodes on the top chords are spaced farther apart than those in the bottom, on account of truss camber (slight arching of the truss).  The increase in spacing is something like 3/16” each.  This was part of the study in Cleveland, I understand.

I believe Alex is right that the nodes allowed quick on site work.  After all, the alternative was a slew of very intricate timber frame joints. 

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 11, 2017, 10:39:56 AM
I believe Alex is right that the nodes allowed quick on site work.  After all, the alternative was a slew of very intricate timber frame joints. 

I'll point everyone back to the story on Facebook, but the routine assembly speed was 200' of bridging in 2 days.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 23, 2017, 05:16:07 PM
Jason supplied this picture, showing the progress today..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Bridge.10.23.17_zpswbupq1kr.jpeg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 23, 2017, 06:09:09 PM
Wow! Color me impressed!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 23, 2017, 06:14:43 PM
In perspective of the picture, Steve never looked so small and dainty.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Zuppa on October 23, 2017, 06:43:41 PM
Thank you, Bill. I was going for "svelte" but I think that ship has sailed. All kidding aside, we made some nice progress today.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 23, 2017, 08:35:40 PM
Very impressive.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 23, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
Great progress!  I can hardly wait to see a train over the finished bridge!  Thanks Jason and Mike for posting this.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on October 23, 2017, 10:22:34 PM
A further question now that the Pony Truss Bridge has been announced; which I think will be a wonderful piece of historic preservation. 

I imagine that the original abutments were cut stone. Are they still available? If not, will the new ones be poured concrete? They can be scribed to look like stone when they are done.

Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on October 23, 2017, 10:54:43 PM
In perspective of the picture, Steve never looked so small and dainty.
Dainty and Steve Z are not concepts I ever expected to see in one sentence.  :o
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 23, 2017, 11:07:13 PM
Query:  why is Steve (and perhaps other WW&F volunteers) helping with the bridge fabrication.  I thought this was the total responsibility of the other group.  (Not that I'm complaining...I think the more involvement we have, the better outcome it will be for us.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on October 24, 2017, 12:13:51 AM
I am impressed. What a wonderful project.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 24, 2017, 12:53:58 AM
My understanding is that Tim Andrews of Barns and Bridges of New England, who holds the contract to reassemble the bridge, is allowing our volunteers to assist him under his direction and discretion. I also believe this is occurring based on Tim's availability/schedule. Jason may have some additional details...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 24, 2017, 06:56:59 AM
Tim Andrews holds the contract to reassemble the bridge.  Wayne Duffett, our member and volunteer, is he lead engineer for our bridges.

Our agreement with NSPCB includes the provision of some volunteer labor to help them complete the reassembly of the bridge.  This was, in turn, a result of their agreement with Tim, as Tim’s contract was let a number of years ago and they desired not amending that contract.  In the spirit of cooperation, and to give volunteers the opportunity to take part, we agreed. 

We are being mindful of the resources this is using.  We hope to have the bridge compete before the end of the year.  So far- we’ve only had two days with Tim, and two days without Tim performing structural repairs to Wayne’s specification.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 24, 2017, 11:11:19 AM
A further question now that the Pony Truss Bridge has been announced; which I think will be a wonderful piece of historic preservation. 

I imagine that the original abutments were cut stone. Are they still available? If not, will the new ones be poured concrete? They can be scribed to look like stone when they are done.

Ted Miles, WW&F Member

Hi Ted.

Original abutments were wood. There is some still in place, but far from usable. The WW&F had split stone on the Whitefield Iron Bridge, but I think that was the only one.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 24, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
I think Ted may have been referring to the abutments at the Moose Brook site. I imagine those are still there, now supporting the bridge used on the bike trail.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 24, 2017, 01:49:34 PM
Ok. Well those are still in use. One of our members found a picture online of the "new" Moose Brook Bridge. I will have to look for what he found, amd share here.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 24, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
Right after the bridge burned it was replaced with a non-covered wooden bridge since bikes and people are lighter than locomotives.

From bridgehunter.com ....

(http://bridgehunter.com/photos/33/92/339200-L.jpg)
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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 24, 2017, 07:04:32 PM
While hunting for the photo of the replacement bridge, I came across the following pdf, which is a presentation of the salvaging and restoration of the trusses of the Moose Brook Bridge.

http://www.woodcenter.org/docs/dayton-conference/MarstonAndrewsMesler_MooseBrook.pdf

Also, an article on the work done at Case Western Reserve.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/08/reconstructed_bridge_trusses_f.html

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 24, 2017, 07:07:34 PM
Here's something you should know...
The plural of moose is moose.
The plural of trout is trout.

So, if we got 2 bridges, they would be collectively known as the Moose Trout Brook Bridge.

Ed,

What does a Moose Trout look like? ;D

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 24, 2017, 10:33:53 PM
Here's something you should know...
The plural of moose is moose.
The plural of trout is trout.

So, if we got 2 bridges, they would be collectively known as the Moose Trout Brook Bridge.

Ed,

What does a Moose Trout look like? ;D

Jeff S.

(http://genebahr.com/galleries/images/wall-mount-fish-carvings/DSCN4213_g12it14.JPG)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 26, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
While all this progress has been going on planning and assembling the bridge, Jason has been very busy assembling the Alna Shoreland Zoning application. I say assemble because it consists of almost as many different parts as the bridge. He has called on several of us for help during this process. I can not tell you how many hours I have spent, researching, proofing, discussing, measuring..and learning about turtles...

Today, Jason is in the final prep mode. A DEP rep will review it and suggest any corrections or changes. Submission to the town is set for Monday.

So, my hat is off to Jason. He has worked very hard on this recently, pulled help from those he needed it from, and compiled a very detailed permit application. Wait until you see some of it, you will be impressed.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on October 26, 2017, 03:33:58 PM
I second what Mike has said. The application is very professional and detailed. Jason has worried and fretted over it, awoken at 3:15 a.m. for more worrying and has sought assistance from many of us. The information, research and materials he gathered will also be very helpful for the other permits we will need. I continue to stand in awe over the dedication, quality and professionalism of the many volunteers that propel the Museum forward. We are, indeed, very blessed.
Dave
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 26, 2017, 04:33:58 PM
Dave's comments apply to so very many of our volunteers who give so freely and willingly of their time and many talents to keep every aspect of our Museum moving forward.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 26, 2017, 04:41:31 PM
Hear, hear! Yes, the amount of "behind the scenes" work that has been transpiring over the last few weeks (with Jason at the charge) has been nearly staggering. Another reason to be proud of our organization.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on October 26, 2017, 04:50:24 PM
Bill;
My comments in the last two sentences of my reply were meant to be applied to the many volunteers who help us in attaining our goal whether working at Sheepscot, toiling in their basement workshop, at the computer or writing checks. As the T-shirt says - "Many hands make the work light". I appreciate each and every volunteer who supports our effort.
Dave
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on October 27, 2017, 12:16:34 AM
One thing is sure, we have a lot of spectacular talent, and  an excellent bunch of volunteers (especially work weekenders) who are so eager to learn. The only real way to express ones appreciation is to think back to the days of barn raisings and such.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 27, 2017, 11:15:49 PM
Assembly of second truss completed today.  Workday scheduled for Tuesday, perhaps to begin to start the deck structure.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 28, 2017, 01:35:09 AM
That is really going well, and rapidly.  The home team is at it again in full force.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 28, 2017, 08:30:26 AM
Thank you guys but for the kind words regarding the application.  I have tried to give it my full attention. 

Mike, Dave and Ed have both been a huge part of it.  Ed has produced several very professional maps for us, while I bounce nearly every reference I want to use off of Mike and Dave. 

Some of our regular crew has been actively involved in helping survey and perform other tasks, including Steve L, Randy, Phil G, Mark, and others.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 28, 2017, 08:35:32 AM
The bridge assembly contractor, Tim Andrews, put in three days this week, assisted by several of our crew:  Fred Morse, Steve Zuppa, Phil Goodwin, Steve Lennox, Mark Cheetham, Eric Schade, Leon Weeks, Phil Blauvelt, Randy Beach, Zack Wyllie, Dwight Winkley, Dick Forest, Brendan Barry, and anyone else who I forgot to add...

The trusses are impressive...  Brendan has promised pictures today.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 28, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
Sounds like things are moving along smoothly.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 28, 2017, 10:21:03 PM
Both trusses complete in the parking lot.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 28, 2017, 11:00:30 PM
Monstrously big nuts!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 28, 2017, 11:52:39 PM
Any problems encountered in assembling the trusses?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 29, 2017, 12:11:26 AM
Brendan, that's a GREAT shot with the Moxie can. I'll bet it took a lot of same to tighten those big nuts.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 29, 2017, 12:40:00 AM
One pair of long timbers had a twist to them.  It must have been challenging to get that twist out.  Might have been some shouting too (twist and shout).
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on October 29, 2017, 12:43:32 AM
Interestingly, the nuts came in a big plastic bag with their own wrench... like IKEA furniture.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 29, 2017, 01:35:10 PM
I read somewhere that Case Western Reserve had to have a special wrench made to fit the nuts.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 29, 2017, 07:17:11 PM
Jeff,

There are pictures of the wrench on the Case Western Reserve Article on the Trout Brook Bridge.

http://www.woodcenter.org/docs/dayton-conference/MarstonAndrewsMesler_MooseBrook.pdf 
 
Slides 42 and 65.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 29, 2017, 10:48:09 PM
On my computer I don't see the pictures identified by number, but the grimaces on the faces of the two guys on the wrench in "Tightening bolts on second truss Mar 19, 2012" tell it all about the Moxie required.  ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 29, 2017, 11:08:42 PM
FYI, there were two extension bars added to the wrenches totaling about 8 feet long.  It took two guys a lot of effort to make the final push to tighten (Jason was one of them!).

It's my understanding that there's a final process to heat the tension bars in the middle to about 150 degrees (which will expand them outward) and then do the final tightening with the wrenches/extension bars so that when they cool down (contract), the tension will be even tighter.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 29, 2017, 11:35:58 PM
Let us temporarily refer to the very last member of the digestive tract as X. Sometimes when my father encountered a stubbornly tight cap screw, stud nut or whatever, he would exclaim "That thing is tighter'n a boar's X in fly time."
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 04, 2017, 08:02:46 PM
And then, there were seven...

I've been doing some research for grant applications to help fund the bridge project. We've consistently used the language adopted by the 2009 Historic American Engineering Record report that states that the "Moose Brook Bridge is one of eight boxed pony truss bridges remaining in North America."

I have since discovered that one of the two bridges of this design in Quebec, Covered Bridge # 61-02-P1 Pont Blanc over Deception Creek, burned and collapsed sometime before November 2016. FWIW, I also found a picture of the other Quebec bridge - and it is in very poor condition.

This gives us all the more reason to preserve this important bridge.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on November 04, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
I am assuming we are liberally spraying the trusses with the fire retardant NSPCB suggests? It will be significantly cheaper to apply it to the trusses in the parking lot before they are installed and covered since it will be a one-time application. The exterior boxed-surfaces would need to be treated every 5 years.

For those interested in additional detail look at Page 8-9 of the Summer 2015 NSPCB Newsletter (http://coveredbridgesociety.org/newsletters/nspcb-newsletter-summer2015.pdf).

Also consider joining the NSPCB!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 04, 2017, 10:13:52 PM
Page 10 of the Summer 2015 NSPCB Newsletter indicates that the Moose Brook Bridge has already been treated with fire retardant.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on November 04, 2017, 10:20:34 PM
Page 10 of the Summer 2015 NSPCB Newsletter indicates that the Moose Brook Bridge has already been treated with fire retardant.

Well that's what I get for not reading the entire link I sent! Does it need another coat since it was sitting outside un-assembled in Gorham?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on November 04, 2017, 10:42:58 PM
Check with Jason re the status of wood preservative and fire-proofing coatings on the bridge...I think it's complicated.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on November 04, 2017, 10:44:32 PM
Page 6 of that issue shows the funding for the treatment.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 04, 2017, 11:10:12 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Bridge%20Floor%20Beams%2011.4.17_zpsdvm5bacy.jpg)

Floor Beams at the ready...

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Floor Beams ready to drill and cut. The one closest is his pattern.

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Cut Off piece. If you measure it, it is pretty close to 2 feet 8 1/2 inches...

We also did a test lift today with the Forklift of the truss. Just going to be used to stand it up. Worked perfectly.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on November 05, 2017, 12:26:20 AM
Those cutoffs look like nice blocking material.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 05, 2017, 12:28:36 AM
Cut offs go to the bridge contractor. We can't keep them unless he gives them to us.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 05, 2017, 06:27:47 PM
Mike,

I don't recall the floor beams being part of the parts kit that came from Case Western.  Were they, or did we buy them out of the funds that were raised on our various projects?

Bill
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 05, 2017, 11:56:57 PM
The floor beams are part of the bridge assembly contractor’s contract.  That’s why he owns the stubs.  They weren’t part of the Case Western study, so the only prep they saw before last week was being cut to length for a wide gauge bridge- which we just corrected :)

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 07, 2017, 02:04:12 AM
Down to six...
Both of boxed pony bridges that were in Quebec are now gone.

Covered Bridge 61-02-P01 (http://lostbridges.org/details.aspx?id=QC/61-02-P01) partially collapsed in 2010.

Covered Bridge 61-02-P11 (http://lostbridges.org/details.aspx?id=QC/61-02-P11x) collapsed in 2012 and has been carried away by a flood.

For the sake of clarity (now that I understand the difference) there were two styles of trusses employed in a Boxed Pony bridge: Howe and Town Lattice. In North America, there are only five Howe Boxed Pony bridges and just one remaining Town Lattice Pony bridge (Livermore Bridge, spanning Blood Brook at Russell Hill Road in Wilton, NH.)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 07, 2017, 03:14:21 AM
Boy, am I glad we weren't gifted the Blood Brook Bridge.  Because then we would have had a Blood Trout Bridge, or would that be a Bloody Trout Bridge?  If the latter we could then be accused by our British narrow gauge friends as cursing our native fish. 

Although, having a Blood Brook Bridge would open lots of new opportunities since the elusive Moose Trout seems to have escaped our forum as subject matter.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 07, 2017, 01:05:16 PM
Boy, am I glad we weren't gifted the Blood Brook Bridge.  Because then we would have had a Blood Trout Bridge, or would that be a Bloody Trout Bridge?  If the latter we could then be accused by our British narrow gauge friends as cursing our native fish. 

Although, having a Blood Brook Bridge would open lots of new opportunities since the elusive Moose Trout seems to have escaped our forum as subject matter.

The moose trout are hibernating.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 07, 2017, 01:07:53 PM
Oh, what have I done...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Marcel Levesque on November 07, 2017, 06:18:33 PM
Since it is hunting season you will only see moose trout on Sundays otherwise they are in hiding with all of the jackelopes.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on November 08, 2017, 12:16:45 AM
So that is where they went.

I had heard that they were all hiding on various walls disguised as mounted Moose Heads.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 08, 2017, 12:43:57 AM
Ya know, it will only be a matter of time before one of our members digs out his old Billy Bass singing fish plaque and puts moose antlers on it! 

I can't wait  ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 08, 2017, 02:01:14 AM
I keep thinking I need to stay out of any more of this.......

But... if the Moose Trout are either hibernating for the winter, or hiding on the walls with the mounted Moose Heads next to the jackelopes...

Does that mean they are really...

a Moosrout???  or a Trouoose???

I am going to regret this after I click on the "Post" box.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 08, 2017, 02:20:32 AM
I am going to regret this after I click on the "Post" box.

Not as much as the rest of us ::)......
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 08, 2017, 12:52:48 PM
Ya know, it will only be a matter of time before one of our members digs out his old Billy Bass singing fish plaque and puts moose antlers on it! 

I can't wait  ;D

But, wouldn't that be a moose bass? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 09, 2017, 09:44:27 PM
Out of curiosity, will the sheathing covering the bridge trusses be installed while the bridge is in Sheepscot, or after it is installed over Trout Brook?  Is completion of the sheathing part of the work that must be completed by the end of the year?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 09, 2017, 09:49:03 PM
Sheepscot. Part of the contract.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 09, 2017, 10:37:27 PM
Thanks Mike.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 02, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
The bridge trusses were stood up today.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 02, 2017, 10:14:28 PM
wow.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 02, 2017, 10:49:51 PM
A time-lapse of one the bridge trusses being stood up.

https://youtu.be/dbn8ZhP7UGA
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 02, 2017, 11:19:49 PM
I love that video. Awesome.

You see in Brendans 4th picture up from the bottom, Tim and I are working on the lateral cross braces. They will be just above the floor beams when installed.

I also learned a trick or 2 today. Working with someone like Tim can teach you a few things.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 02, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
Zowie! I didn't know you guys worked that fast!

Seriously, men, that's impressive.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on December 03, 2017, 01:12:26 AM
It's nice to see then stood up, with the people, tractor, and cars in the pictures it really gives a perspective as to how big the bridge really is . Great work!
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 03, 2017, 01:22:52 AM
An upstanding job, gentlemen.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on December 03, 2017, 02:10:28 AM
Hats off to everyone for a smooth and well-planned job. Even the weather cooperated.
I'm really looking forward to crossing the bridge and then the climb up the mountain. It is going to be a really exciting feature of the railroad.
Can't wait.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on December 03, 2017, 02:42:06 AM
Tremendous work and accomplishments Congratulations!  We really enjoy keeping up with the museum's various efforts.  Really appreciate the photos, videos and comments.  Regret that distance and health keep us from active participation.  Thanks again and ever forward!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on December 03, 2017, 11:50:48 AM
Gary, active participation comes in three forms, onlooking, physical help, and donations or support. :) So in one way or another you are helping. Without our generous donors and supporters, our volunteers and or outside contractor(s) wouldn't be able to make such amazing progress.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 03, 2017, 01:59:51 PM
Fantastic work.
I see the forklift is earning its keep. What are the pieces of lumber for that are framing the trusses?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 03, 2017, 07:31:40 PM
The 2x4s are for attaching the siding to the timbers.  Additional 2x4s will be joining on the insides once everything is tied together.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 03, 2017, 08:00:42 PM
Is the sheathing plain lumber or is it some sort of tongue and groove?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 03, 2017, 08:36:58 PM
Ship lap siding
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on December 03, 2017, 09:14:57 PM
Does the bridge still need to be narrowed?  If so, what will be the process to do so?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 03, 2017, 10:09:55 PM
The trusses were raised at the distance apart that they need to be.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 04, 2017, 01:05:41 AM
The 2x4s are for attaching the siding to the timbers.  Additional 2x4s will be joining on the insides once everything is tied together.

Why are the vertical pieces so tall?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 04, 2017, 07:21:12 AM
Jeff the 2x4's just haven't been cut to the right height for the backside of the truss roof yet. The roofs over the trusses slopes to the outside of the bridge.

Some more pictures I took Sunday morning.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 04, 2017, 12:21:59 PM
The caution tape make good wind socks.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 04, 2017, 02:20:05 PM
I thought the tape would warn off low-flying helicopters or drones or something.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 04, 2017, 03:22:06 PM
How could they possibly hit that bridge.  It is a massive structure.  There was a picture taken from the roof of the garage and the tail end of the woods track was in the picture just beyond the two side frames when they were still lying on their sides.  They made the woods track look like "O" scale.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on December 04, 2017, 05:12:14 PM
Wasn't the original bridge designed for loads of a standard gauge engine which could go to about 200,000 pounds?  Would account for size of structure.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 04, 2017, 06:24:43 PM
Indeed it's very sturdy. In addition, it's historic; it's free, and we need not worry about a Masons' train falling through it like last time. Therefore, it's a win, win, win. ;)
 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 04, 2017, 06:27:52 PM
Clever John, Very Clever...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on December 04, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
The original bridge collapsed from the engine derailing and striking the truss, not structural failure. And I believe I heard the original load rating for this bridge was 150,000 lbs as this bridge was designed before trains started getting heavier and when engines were about 24 tons lighter.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 05, 2017, 01:11:32 AM
It is with great pleasure I make the following announcement.

After months upon months of very tough and thorough research, meetings, and plan design (and changes), the Alna planning board accepted the permit as complete tonight. More discussion followed, and then the Alna Shoreland Zoning permit for reconstructing the railroad Including the bridge and retaining walls) was approved. The only stipulation being any design changes must be approved by the town before they are implemented.

Many thanks to Jason who has done the bulk of the application. He has had lots of help from several of us, but he just has an attention to detail and a mind numbing appreciation for rules and regs that no one else can even touch, that really made the permit complete.

So, done with one permit. Now for about 3 more..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 05, 2017, 01:59:59 AM
That is huge, huge news, Mike.  Thanks for letting us know.

I've heard bits and details on the tremendous amount of work Jason, you and others have made to reach this point.  This is a big challenge overcome.  It's greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 05, 2017, 02:02:28 AM
Congratulations to Jason, Mike and all the others who are doing such a yeoman's job on keeping our Museum on 'track' and 'moving forward'!

A big hoorah for all.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 05, 2017, 02:38:37 AM
AMEN!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 05, 2017, 03:05:27 AM
Very impressive.  ;)
The forklift, worth its weight in tons of big culvert pipe, came to WW&F just when needed.
Will work be done by Victorian Christmas ?
You have a dyno-mite display for the riders.

Well done Mike, Jason and crew!




 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 05, 2017, 01:06:49 PM
Fantastic news, Mike. What are the other 3 permits you mentioned?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 05, 2017, 02:21:03 PM
A report on the meeting in today's Wiscasset Newspaper:
http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/railway-museum-expansion-track/95329 (http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/railway-museum-expansion-track/95329)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on December 05, 2017, 02:32:36 PM
I didn't know Steve Z had a twin brother....
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 05, 2017, 04:21:44 PM
Wow Dave, you're right!  But I think there's something different with the mustache............  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 05, 2017, 05:50:25 PM
Aw, the fun's over. They have correctly identified the individual in the photo as Frank Zappa.  ;D


(Just kidding, but they did fix the caption; and added some new photos of the bridge.)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 05, 2017, 06:20:50 PM
I guess I should have sat next to Hannah. But I like being unseen...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 05, 2017, 06:22:30 PM
But then they probably would have identified you as Michael J. Fox!
(oh, wait.)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 05, 2017, 06:24:51 PM
Jeff, we now need a permit for the bridge, permits for culvert work and an individual permit for the repair at the pinch point. We will then apply for a track construction permit for sections 1, 2 & 4. Section 3 will have it's track includes, as will sections 5 & 6.
 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 09, 2017, 06:45:44 AM
Floor beams being installed on Thursday 12/8.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 09, 2017, 01:29:46 PM
Impressive. Thanks for the images, Brendan.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 09, 2017, 10:00:43 PM
Half the deck members mounted.
Stupendous!
Betcha the bridge is done by first VC, next weekend.  ;D
And tnx for the detailed photo coverage.  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 09, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
I see in some of the pictures that we have a new grade crossing on the woods track in the parking lot.  Will that stay?  Has it been named?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 09, 2017, 11:04:58 PM
So which part of the bridge actually rests on the abutments?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 09, 2017, 11:19:03 PM
Re "crossing" - No crossing. Those planks were to protect the track when the forklift lifted that side of the bridge.

Re abutments - The 47' bridge will be centered across the 74' gap, supported by two piers. There will be two 12' approach spans - one on each side of the bridge. This design was chosen to minimize environmental impact, and keep the piers out of the brook waterway.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 10, 2017, 01:36:50 AM
The rest of the floor timbers were installed today, and the angled outside braces were started. I think they got one done.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 10, 2017, 02:04:05 AM
Ok.... help me out here....

One bridge that is 47 feet long
Two approach spans, each 12 feet long
According to my meager math skills that adds up to 71 feet of span
Across a 74 foot gap....
What am I missing here????

Is our wonderful machine shop working on a new star trek levitation device for the other three feet?
Will the three foot gap be divided into half so each end of bridge will only require the trains to jump a 1 1/2 foot gap????
Oh.... wait.... I figured it out.... if we put a 3/4 foot gap between each end of the bridge and the approach spans.... then.... will the radius of the wheels allow them to bridge (pun intended) the gap???? 
Might work on the locomotive with the larger wheels but what about the cars....

Oh well, it snowed today and cabin fever is setting in and now my brain hurts....
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on December 10, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
Bill, I am with you, doesn't add up!

Tom C.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 10, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
Maybe, at 2oo MPH!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 10, 2017, 02:56:49 PM
Sorry, I was going by memory with the numbers. I don't have the final lengths of the two approach spans.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 10, 2017, 03:01:35 PM
Good idea Fred.

Now we need to:
1. Have the Superintendent amend the speed limit in the rule book.
2. Greatly improve the brakes so we can cross the bridge at 200 mph and still stop before 218.
     Achieving this speed going down the mountain should be easy.
     Slowing down going up the mountain should also be easy.
3. Complete an engineering study to increase the boiler pressure to allow acceleration from zero at 218 to 200 mph by Trout Brook Bridge.
4. Increase the engine cylinder size to utilize the increased pressure to enable the aforementioned acceleration.
5. Implement the engineering study recommendations in our locomotives. (note I have left 51 and 52 out of this proposal)

Now my brain hurts again....
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 10, 2017, 03:03:35 PM
But Ed,

We were beginning to have so much fun with this dilemma.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 10, 2017, 03:18:12 PM
I can help the braking situation, I know where I can acquire some used drag chutes from the USAF.  Good up to 250 knots!   ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 10, 2017, 10:50:17 PM
Back to my question which I phrased poorly.  Which part of the bridge sets directly on the abutment:  is it the ends of the side trusses?  Are the bottom cross pieces below the level of the abutment, and do they then have the tracks mounted to them?

Or is it something else I cannot picture?

Thanks...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 10, 2017, 11:25:21 PM
Bob,
The ends of the trusses are over the abuttments. There will be some smaller floor timbers they will sit on
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 11, 2017, 02:11:46 AM
Bob, The cross beams are bolted below the truss. When you look at a side view of the bridge you will see the cross beams are not located near the ends. That part of the bridge will be located over the abutments

On top of the cross beams are 3 sets of cross timbers, in the shape of a "X".

4 stringers are than put on the cross beams. A lot of cutting has to be done to fit the stingers over the cross timbers.

The 10 foot ties are than lied on the stringers

dwight
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 11, 2017, 03:30:06 PM

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2017, 10:34:03 PM
The DEP permit has now been submitted.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 15, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
We got another mention in Trains Newswire. You do need to be a Trains subscriber to read it:
http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2017/12/14-truss-bridge-arrives-at-maine-two-foot-museum
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Russ Nelson on December 17, 2017, 07:27:18 PM
Engineering drawings explain all to this engineer, thanks.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 18, 2017, 01:47:21 AM
Last Friday, Dec. 15th. A trailer load of 8 inch wide shiplap cut siding boards arrived at the museum.
The back sides will be treated with a fire retardant before they are installed on the trusses. The front of the boards will be fire retardant treated after they are installed on the trusses.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 19, 2017, 04:19:44 PM
The DEP permit for the bridge site has been approved. Work will start after the beginning of the year for tree removal. We need to be careful about how we cut, so we just can't whack all the trees down. I have a way that should be easy, and keep the possibility of ground disturbance low.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on December 19, 2017, 06:45:51 PM
Once the shiplap siding is applied, does that make the bridge officially "completed" to satisfy the agreement?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 19, 2017, 11:50:20 PM
Or do the cross brasses, stringer and ties also have to be completed?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 20, 2017, 12:43:05 AM
Cross bracing has been cut. That is part of his contract. Shiplap is also part of it, and is now waiting installation. Tim expects the shiplap to go up quickly. Outside boards will be nailed, while inside will be screwed, so part can be removed for inspection.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 20, 2017, 05:30:40 AM
As I understand it, the four deck longitudinals, four wide diagonal brace assemblies and all sheathing installed will complete the contract.
The short connecting spans, abutments, trackwork are WW&F's responsibility.

Maybe snow will be light this winter and melt fast.  ;) Here in NM we're about 70 rainless days into our latest drought, scant mountain snow, ski areas hurting.
 
How about selling removed trees as firewood along 218?  ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 08, 2018, 07:48:59 PM
Anything new to report on the bridge?

- a curious moose trout
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 08, 2018, 08:01:31 PM
Surrounded and covered in snow. On hold till warmer weather
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on January 16, 2018, 11:47:30 AM
Just out of curiosity how will the bridge abutments be constructed? Will there be piles driven? Which brings up another good historical question: Did the W,W,&F have a pile driver?

Rob
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 18, 2018, 10:22:39 PM
Sorry Rob, I thought you got answered. There will be wood piles driven for the bridge and approach spans. They will have batter piles on the outside, to protect the actual support piles.

I have never heard that the WW&F had a pile driver. You can assume that they had some way to drive piles, perhaps it was hired out.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 22, 2018, 03:17:05 PM
[Moderator's Note]
A discussion on the not-photographically proven, but likely existence and configuration of a WW&F pile driver/derrick can be found at: http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3122.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3122.0.html)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 27, 2018, 10:14:32 PM
A couple of pictures from today:

Mike twitching with the dozer.  Fred's taking a brief break - but he wanted Jeff to know that he was chain sawing (limbing, mostly).
(https://i.imgur.com/qQwqYCJ.png)

Looking toward the bridge site, with a few trees missing.
(https://i.imgur.com/2CxBuIV.png)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 27, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
NO,,,,  Fred is not taking a break,  he's managing!  Note the Director's Chair!  :)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 27, 2018, 11:33:27 PM
We did well. Lots of loose stuff was picked up and burned. Some of Steve P.s pile he made when the contractor did the bushogging was cleaned and burned.

We have several more days to go. Slow going but at the end of the day everything is picked up and clean.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 28, 2018, 12:28:26 AM
I neglected to mention in today's posting that Mass Bay RRE gave us a $1000 grant toward the bridge project.  The award was at the Springfield show today.  President Dave received it on our behalf.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 28, 2018, 02:54:17 AM
Good show on the donation from Mass Bay RRE! 

It would seem that both financially in donations and the winter work being accomplished we are off to a really great year!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 28, 2018, 09:27:23 AM
It's going to be a very busy year ahead. Will need lots of volunteers to get it all done.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 28, 2018, 01:42:21 PM
A couple of pictures from today:

Mike twitching with the dozer.  Fred's taking a brief break - but he wanted Jeff to know that he was chain sawing (limbing, mostly).
(https://i.imgur.com/qQwqYCJ.png)

Looking toward the bridge site, with a few trees missing.
(https://i.imgur.com/2CxBuIV.png)

Glad to hear that Fred had a chainsaw in his hands. I was starting to think he'd given that up.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 28, 2018, 01:43:30 PM
It's going to be a very busy year ahead. Will need lots of volunteers to get it all done.

I'll be there for SWW, Fred.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 01, 2018, 12:17:05 AM
Todays progress.


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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 01, 2018, 11:46:07 AM
The ROW is really looking like a fine route for our narrow tracks down to 218.  I can't wait to walk it this SWW.  All our volunteers are going to have a great time beginning with the 2018 FWW and beyond.  I can't think of a better way to renew friendships with all our WW&F volunteers.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on February 01, 2018, 01:41:00 PM
That looks like a good size tree laying across the ROW in the last photo.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 01, 2018, 02:15:17 PM
I think that tree trunk is there purposefully to (temporarily) prevent accidental access down the embankment into Trout Brook. I suspect Mike will haul it out with the dozer once the cutting is complete.

That pine looks like a monster, even more so now that the scrub is cleared out around it. Good luck!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 01, 2018, 06:02:30 PM
Actually, we placed that tree across to act as a rub for the trees from the brook to come up over. I did not want to wear into the soil. It worked well. Now, once the pine is down, it can be moved up to the pile.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on February 02, 2018, 01:16:06 AM
Thanks for the explanation.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 03, 2018, 10:24:16 PM
Photos from today, taken from the South side of the trestle zone:

Back aways from the edge:
(https://i.imgur.com/SGei5hS.png)

On the lip, looking down at the cleanup:
(https://i.imgur.com/xyRg7Jq.png)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 03, 2018, 11:23:23 PM
Well, as per usual, things did not go quite as planned today. Try as hard as we did, the pine wound up in the brook. It had a pretty heavy lean that way, and I had hoped to pull it over and have it land on the grade, but after the chain broke the 3rd time, gravity took over and it landed on the ice.

The guys were all over it quickly, carefully grabbing the limbs and tossing them to shore. The bulk of it was cleaned up by lunch, and after lunch it was decided to make a small burn pile on the bank to get rid of the small stuff.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0203181453a_zpszvwufvms.jpg)

So, me being me, after the cleanup I hiked for this shot.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0203181457a_zpsqzpibico.jpg)

Then I got the idea to try for a Masons Wreck shot, Bob C. is on the ice..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0203181458_zpsfz145ur7.jpg)

Then a shot looking South again..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0203181526a_zpsvx95jq6q.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 03, 2018, 11:59:31 PM
Looking real good guys.  Mike you threw me off with the picture of Bob on the ice with the Mason's shot.  Had to look twice as I thought I saw a baby Trout-Moose standing next to Bob.   :D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 04, 2018, 12:21:43 AM
No, that was Fred's chair.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 04, 2018, 12:25:54 AM
I went fishing for Moose Trout today. I didn't get a bite, so guessing they don't like size 13 LL Bean boots attached to a leg dangling through the ice. Luckily the boots are waterproof, and the toes stayed dry.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on February 04, 2018, 01:03:07 AM
A few photos from this morning near Trout Brook.

It was a balmy 7 degrees below zero when we arrived.  Here Mike and James P. trudge supplies for the day's activities south from Route 218 along the right-of-way.

(https://i.imgur.com/isOxpid.jpg)


A burn pile was set up a little bit south of where the Trout Brook Preserve trail crosses the right-of-way, to clean up slash from tree cutting earlier in the week.  View is looking north toward Route 218.

(https://i.imgur.com/iys033U.jpg)


First attempt with the come-along.  We're looking south along the right-of-way, toward Trout Brook.  The log across the ROW is about where the north abutment for the bridge will go.  The goal was to get the large white pine to fall toward us, even though it had a heavy lean toward the brook.

(https://i.imgur.com/oehLKh8.jpg)


Second attempt with the come-along.

(https://i.imgur.com/mRIPzbG.jpg)


The third attempt was the charm.  This time when the chain failed, the tree snapped back southward, and toppled over.  It made a big enough bang to scare away all the Mouse Trout.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on February 04, 2018, 09:54:17 AM
Beautiful sky!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 04, 2018, 01:12:04 PM
Of course when it is a balmy 7 degrees below zero the sky usually is beautiful.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on February 04, 2018, 01:34:53 PM
I went fishing for Moose Trout today. I didn't get a bite, so guessing they don't like size 13 LL Bean boots attached to a leg dangling through the ice. Luckily the boots are waterproof, and the toes stayed dry.

No danger of being bitten by a moose trout, Mike. They are hibernating this time of year. :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 06, 2018, 11:15:26 PM
Mother Nature has blessed us again with a fluctuating brook. Ice is still there, but doubt it is safe..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0206180844_zps5g9p4nm1.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0206180844a_zpsxgalyfuu.jpg)

But, we did get all trees cut in the Shorelad Permitted zone that we needed to. Of course it was during this time Jason kept looking at the bottoms of his boots. I had to tell him we had just trimmed up some Dogwood trees, and that was the smell he was smelling. 😁

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0206181210_zpsduncyicp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0206181210b_zpsbd0fmnka.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0206181211_zpsnniog05i.jpg)

After lunch, we headed north, and cut the entire length of the proposed siding.

Jason took these before shots..
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7970_zpsdkg7gaac.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7972_zpsh3jop2dl.jpeg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7973_zpshltvt1hc.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7974_zpsqtyjiwo0.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7976_zpsgdlpqyrv.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7978_zpsuiwsgdlq.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7980_zpsykocuubn.jpg)
Looking back south at the Bridge site fire.

And, my pictures at quitting time..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0206181430a_zpscqjq7i1q.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0206181430c_zpsnfjnp6hd.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0206181458_zps7acbee67.jpg)

And this is about all we need to cut now, minus a few out by the road, and some large limbs. Hoping Saturday we can burn those piles..not enough time today.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0206181430_zps5juxdje3.jpg)



Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 06, 2018, 11:43:40 PM
We had a 10 (!) person crew today!  Good day...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on February 07, 2018, 12:12:52 AM
Is that last picture one of the places that need drainage? I noticed the water.
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 07, 2018, 12:57:47 AM
Actually, that was ice..

When the railroad shut down, the trees grew and plugged lots of drainage. Then they logged in there and took care of the rest of it. The water does not stay long. So it filters out someplace. Someone dug a trench years ago across the grade, and most of the water drains through that. My plan is to put an 18 inch culvert there, and that will improve the drainage.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on February 07, 2018, 01:01:22 AM
Mother Nature has blessed us again with a fluctuating brook. Ice is still there, but doubt it is safe..

Good thing that large pine was taken down last Saturday.  Timing is everything!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 10, 2018, 06:49:46 PM
Just a little limbing today, and cut some smaller stuff. Everything was sticky, and gloves got wet..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0210181346_zpsnhcuk01m.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on February 11, 2018, 12:21:23 AM
I'll bet that those driving by on 218 are more than a bit curious as to what's going on. ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on February 14, 2018, 08:43:28 PM
What is the status of the actual bridge? Is it fully assembled?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 14, 2018, 09:36:28 PM
Basically assembled, it needs the "outrigger" supports to be installed, the sheathing installed, and there's some additional cross bracing needed.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 18, 2018, 05:07:51 PM
Winter is over, and work has resumed on the bridge. Jason supplied me with these photos

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_9068_zps50gtdndp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_9067_zpswgsvced1.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_9065_zpsql0sbk4h.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 18, 2018, 05:54:03 PM
I see that it stood up well against the winter Nor'easters.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 19, 2018, 12:14:57 AM
That is one massive bridge!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 19, 2018, 12:30:30 AM
It's possible that one of the SWW tasks will be to start to apply the sheathing...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on April 19, 2018, 01:14:40 AM
The inside of the sheathing needs to be coated with fire retardant before it is installed on the bridge.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on April 19, 2018, 08:49:56 AM
There's been a change, The bridge man says to put it on and he will bring his own sprayer and spray both sides.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 06, 2018, 11:00:28 PM
Thanks to the Mystic Valley Railway Society (MVRS) and the Emery Rail Heritage Trust (ERHT) for each bestowing grants to the WW&F Railway Museum for the restoration and placement of the historic "boxed pony" B&M Moose Brook Bridge on the Museum's Mountain Extension at Trout Brook. We are very grateful to these organizations; the W. Russell Rylko Memorial Award (administered by the MVRS) granted $6100 toward the project, while the John H. Emery Memorial Award (administered by the ERHT) granted $5000. These awards were announced within days of each other, total $11,100, and will be used for the placement and site needs for the bridge project.

Thanks too to the various members of the grant writing team who put these applications together. Their work represents some of the many "behind the scenes" activities that occur on the WW&F.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 07, 2018, 01:21:43 AM
Ed,

Congratulations for keeping track of the opportunities for funding, creating the bulk of the submissions, pulling all the parts together and submitting the results.  I know there are many who also work behind the scenes to help contribute to help make these applications happen but you are the conductor who tracks, prompts, prods and creates the final product.

Well Done to you and to all the others.  Our Railway Museum is lucky to have such a dedicated team that you have pulled together.

Bill
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on May 07, 2018, 02:23:24 PM
I second Bill. Bravo!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 07, 2018, 05:35:12 PM
That is amazing news.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 08, 2018, 12:23:32 PM
A couple of pics this morning from Jason of the siding progress..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_9388_zpsrivhdmsu.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_9386_zpsyuziky88.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on May 08, 2018, 10:21:59 PM
Wow -- thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 09, 2018, 01:20:34 AM
Double WOW!  Keep the pics coming...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 09, 2018, 01:38:20 AM
Triple Wow!!!  Even though there are lots of pix of the bridge and lots of us have seen the un-assembled parts at the last FWW, when I saw the assembled parts at the SWW it is even more impressive.  That is one massive bridge.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on May 09, 2018, 03:36:39 AM
How is the inside going to get sprayed with retardant/preservative?
Is the top open?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 09, 2018, 03:47:44 AM
Superb workmanship.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 11, 2018, 09:56:56 AM
Work has continued this week on the Sheathing, and as of this photo taken Thursday, borrowed from the Facebook team, the west side is complete.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/FB_IMG_1526036134242_zpsveoqzyog.jpg)

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 11, 2018, 12:25:21 PM
Impressive.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 11, 2018, 12:26:18 PM
Man, that bridge is huge........
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on May 11, 2018, 09:49:05 PM
Ya know, I'm sure it's the wine that's talking, but covering those trusses is like covering a work of art.
I completely understand the historical and practical reasons, but there could be a couple of steel beams under there!
It's like building a box around #9!!
Only partly :)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on May 13, 2018, 09:17:02 AM
I agree! Although hearing the pitch of the sound change as you ride through will be cool, and will sort of make up
for the visual loss of not seeing the trusses (http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/mods/smileys/images/smiley25.gif)
 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 16, 2018, 06:18:35 PM
Jason just sent me the attached image. Sheathing is complete for the most part.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_9475_zpsatdro5po.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 16, 2018, 06:58:45 PM
And another. Had me wondering as this email was titled "Great Lighting". He was correct..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_9476_zpsf1rh3std.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Springs on May 16, 2018, 09:32:21 PM
What is the plan for moving this massive structure to it's remote location?
Looks to be quite a challenge!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 17, 2018, 12:07:00 AM
Bob, we are hiring a professional building moving company to move the bridge from Sheepscot to Trout Brook. The bridge will not depart Sheepscot until the site at Trout Brook is ready.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 17, 2018, 12:22:58 PM
Don’t we have to cut inspection access ports into the inside sheathing walls?  Or am I just remembering ports in the pictures of the original bridge?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on May 17, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
The interior sheathing is attached with screws for easy removal, for inspection purposes.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 17, 2018, 06:25:29 PM
Check FB today for photos of the roof sheathing installed on the east truss.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 17, 2018, 09:55:17 PM
One of the pictures for those who don't do Facebook.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74012/b11.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 18, 2018, 08:19:01 PM
I assume the roofs on the trusses get covered with shingles. Is that correct?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Zuppa on May 18, 2018, 08:34:55 PM
I heard roll roofing.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Linc Reed-Nickerson on May 21, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
The drip edge, galvanized steel, has being prepared for painting, on the weekend it was "pickled" using white vinegar to better hold the paint, plans are to complete painting today (5/21). 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 23, 2018, 12:23:16 AM
Linc Reed-Nickerson's pictures of sheathing being installed on the bridge. There is a couple pictures of the fire proofing being sprayed on the bridge and side sheathing. A couple pictures of the tie rods being installed in the bridge deck are also included.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l1.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l2.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l3.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l4.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l5.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l6.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l7.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l8.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l9.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l10.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l11.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l12.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l13.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l14.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l16.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l17.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l8.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l19.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l20.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l21.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l22.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l23.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l24.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l25.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l26.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l27.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l29.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l30.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l31.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l32.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l33.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l34.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l35.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l36.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l37.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l38.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l39.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l40.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l41.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l42.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l43.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l44.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l45.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l46.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l47.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l48.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l49.jpg)


Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 23, 2018, 03:28:23 AM
Thanks for this great, detailed photo exam, particularly the weatherproof spraying and the closeup of the perfectly installed roof decking.
Movie set quality.  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 23, 2018, 12:26:42 PM
Thanks for posting the latest photos. A lot of progress has been made.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 23, 2018, 02:33:56 PM
Paul and Jeff have it right. The picture story really helps one understand what is now hidden under the sheathing. 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 23, 2018, 11:58:53 PM
More bridge progress pictures from Linc Reed-Nickerson. The rest of the roof sheathing going on and starting to trim the end sheathing.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l50.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l51.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l52.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l53.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l54.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l55.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l56.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l57.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l58.jpg)

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Al Michelis on May 24, 2018, 09:51:13 AM
Well documented - Thanks for all the great photos.

Next Task?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 24, 2018, 10:58:57 PM
Another photo update courtesy of Linc Reed-Nickerson. If I understand correctly all the carpentry that's happening while the bridge is still at Sheepscot is done and the roofing will be going on the trusses shortly. The last three pictures are off of the museum's facebook page.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l59.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l60.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l61.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l64.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l66.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l67.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/m1.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/m2.jpg)

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on May 25, 2018, 01:30:28 AM
Did I miss a discussion of a color scheme for the bridge?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 25, 2018, 06:12:25 AM
Great progress. Can someone take a picture looking down on the deck and cross bracing?  Will we cover the green protective ice shield?

Send from Spain.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 25, 2018, 09:11:09 AM
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Did I miss a discussion of a color scheme for the bridge?
Gordon,
No official announcement yet, but the board has lightly discussed it (we did not vote on it last meeting)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 25, 2018, 03:11:23 PM
Great progress. Can someone take a picture looking down on the deck and cross bracing?  Will we cover the green protective ice shield

The entire bridge is getting decked over with 3x10's above the diagonal cross braces.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 25, 2018, 10:47:55 PM
Another photo update courtesy of Linc Reed-Nickerson. The roof is done on the western truss as the bridge sits at Sheepscot.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l68.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l69.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l70.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l72.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l73.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l74.jpg)

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 26, 2018, 01:43:47 AM
So both roofs are done?
Great job.
Love the little 'top-out' tree!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on May 26, 2018, 11:50:29 AM
I read in an Eric Sloane book that a tree was put at the highest point for "the luck of the building".  I'm glad that someone honored an olde tradition by doing that.  42 years ago I did that when I had our house built.  The builder was unaware of the tradition and was surprised.

Bernie
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on May 26, 2018, 12:59:36 PM
Good job of work ! In France in the early fifties  a branch was also tied to the highest point  of a beeing built house and my grand father said  it meant that the masons' work was over and that the owner of the house should buy them a drink. A long gone custom. Did the BOD members get you a drink  ?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 26, 2018, 06:25:20 PM
I'm expecting that WW&F and the town of Alna will throw a gangbuster party the day the first train crosses the bridge.  ;D ;D
Calling all RR 'zines!!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 26, 2018, 06:32:21 PM
Bernie...AFAIK, this tradition is still practiced on top of buildings of all sizes, even in NYC.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on May 26, 2018, 09:33:22 PM
 Hi Paul ! Sure they deserve it. Thanks for the word gangbusters  I didn't know this adjective. In French it  is " du tonnerre de Dieu"  like a hell of a something.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 26, 2018, 10:37:44 PM
The first "Scheduled" train across the bridge will be a HUGE milestone for all of us. As such, we are planning a Grand Opening ceremony, media coverage, and festivities.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 27, 2018, 12:34:14 PM
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Did I miss a discussion of a color scheme for the bridge?
Gordon,
No official announcement yet, but the board has lightly discussed it (we did not vote on it last meeting)

Will the bridge be painted before it is set in place?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 27, 2018, 06:35:23 PM
It would be easier that way. But a lot more exciting if done after..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 28, 2018, 02:08:52 AM
As Yogi Berra might say..."include me out!"
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on May 28, 2018, 05:00:09 PM
Paul, Only the left (west side) truss is roofed. The right truss, (with the tree)will be roofed next Wed, the 30th. If not finished than on Thursday 31st.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 31, 2018, 03:42:24 PM
Photo update courtesy of Linc Reed-Nickerson. The roof is done on the east truss.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l75.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l76.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l77.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l78.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l80.jpg)

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 01, 2018, 12:02:47 AM
Excuse my impatience...both roofs now done. Terrif!  ;D
Also, it's posted that the new bridge will be decked with 3x10s. Sounds heavy.
The original bridge isometric only shows, above the lower main cross members and diagonals,  four courses of longitudinal stringers upon which long ties, then rails, were laid.
What has changed?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on June 01, 2018, 12:09:29 AM
My guess is lower dead load on the bridge.  Span has been narrowed thus less weight on the span and also smaller train live loads which gives you the ability to add decking load without effecting overall span capacity.  In really basic terms we stripped the car down and if we add a couple of things back, no big deal.....
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 01, 2018, 12:19:53 AM
Paul,
The cross bracing that is on the joists originally had some beefy longituinal stringers that ran the length of the bridge, something like 8"w X 14"tall. Then the ties sat on those. This made for a very solid bridge.

Our modification, under the approval of the bridge engineer, is to fill in the spaces on top of the joists between the cross bracing. Then lay the track directly on the cross bracing and our new filler blocks. The 3 inch decking will then be laid parralell to the rail for the length of the bridge and approach spans.

This new design accomplishes 2 things. First, the lower height allows the bridge to be installed at current grade height, where to build it as it was would have required raising the roadbed about 2 feet.

Second, the 3 inch decking (was planned originally) will allow our contractor to access the south side of the bridge and make repairs to the grade and haul in material much quicker than we ever could.

Hope that answers your question.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 30, 2018, 11:25:45 PM
Construction of the temporary bridge spans that will be used to roll the bridge into place. I stole a couple of pictures off of the facebook page.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_3532.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_3518.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_3520.jpg)

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 30, 2018, 11:59:45 PM
Fantastic Work Brendan. I forgot to go look at those today.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 01, 2018, 01:28:27 AM
Ok, I give up again... can someone explain how the temporary bridge spans/slides are to work?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 01, 2018, 10:39:42 AM
The temporary bridge will support the crane for the pile driving, and eventually help set the bridge itself.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 01, 2018, 12:58:46 PM
In the photos, who is doing the welding?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on July 01, 2018, 03:06:17 PM
I'm pretty sure that's Alan; he welded for an hour or two yesterday.   But Brendan has been doing all the rest of the welding.

Harold
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 01, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
Stewart took the picture of me welding sitting in the chair and Alan is welding in the other picture.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 01, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
Next question - how long are the spans?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 01, 2018, 06:18:31 PM
40 feet. And already have a second life planned..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 01, 2018, 06:21:57 PM
40 feet. And already have a second life planned..

... and that second life is??? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 01, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
With all this rapid progress and skill-sets being displayed - is a re-created Whitefield iron bridge a future possibility?  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on July 01, 2018, 07:58:30 PM
John: Excuse my ignorance but what is a Whitfield iron bridge?  I looked up one and it referenced me to a bridge in Georgia that is very ornate but looks like a light road bridge/pedestrian bridge. Help!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 01, 2018, 08:15:57 PM
is a re-created Whitefield iron bridge a future possibility?  ;)

Not with the steel beams that we have, those will have other uses.

For Gary: the Whitefield Iron Bridge was a former Maine Central RR bridge that was used by the WW&F to cross the Sheepscot River in Whitefield (between Head Tide and Kings Mills).
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 01, 2018, 08:47:16 PM
This link has some historic photos for the railroad's Whitefield iron bridge:

http://www.mainething.com/ww&f/Whitefield%20Bridge/index.htm
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on July 02, 2018, 03:11:00 AM
Thanks guys for the prompt replies.  It would probably have helped if I "googled" the correct spelling.  I looked at google satellite map to see if there is any obvious signs of abutments. No luck.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 02, 2018, 10:07:24 AM
Dropped Pin
near Whitefield, ME 04353

https://goo.gl/maps/Fh7Rx9ZyXcw

Location of the former iron bridge. Not sure where the stones went, though it appears some are in the river..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on July 02, 2018, 10:57:03 AM
Thank you, Mike
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 02, 2018, 12:58:52 PM
is a re-created Whitefield iron bridge a future possibility?  ;)

Not with the steel beams that we have, those will have other uses.

So.... Mike and James have dropped the hints that the steel beams have other uses, with no answer for us minions to Jeff's question as to what those uses might be.  I am also curious about the other uses, and would the proposed use be with the welded cross bracing or would that be cut off so the beams could be used as crane rails or roof structures? 

If further board action is required before the information is to be shared with us peons, than I understand.  I will take my curiosity into the other room full of rockers and sit on my tail.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 02, 2018, 01:12:54 PM
Reuse relates to speeding up track laying.  I'll let Jason describe it as he understands it best.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on July 02, 2018, 01:50:26 PM
Rube Goldberg could also explain it.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 02, 2018, 01:59:54 PM
Rube Goldberg could also explain it.

That usually involves a bowling ball, electric fan, candle, coconut, cat, toy wagon, ship in a bottle, and too many other things to list here. ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 02, 2018, 02:33:48 PM
Rube Goldberg could also explain it.

That usually involves a bowling ball, electric fan, candle, coconut, cat, toy wagon, ship in a bottle, and too many other things to list here. ::)

Jeff S.

Oh, you have seen the plan. 🤗
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 02, 2018, 05:35:23 PM
Is this where Jason found the plans? :o

http://www.drugfreereading.com/STARSHIP/Rube_Goldberg_Launch.htm

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 02, 2018, 07:04:34 PM
Ooh, we are all going to have fun with this one!!!!

My imagination is already running wild with track laying plans for those beams. 

Oh, Oh, Oh,.... I figured it out.... After we get down the mountain we need super track laying skills because we are going to lay track all the way to Quebec....

The W&Q will ride again!!!!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 02, 2018, 09:16:57 PM
The use will be to build a rail crane to travel the length of the flat car and then some extra on each end. The crane will be used to distribute tie bundles and rail as track is built. Thus reducing a huge factor in track building. We are all getting older, and we can not do things like we used to. Our normal size track crew averages 4-8 at best, sometimes even just 1 or 2. Work weekend track crew size continues to drop, so it was decided it was time to start seriously mechanizing everything with track work.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 02, 2018, 10:11:23 PM
I'm thinking Jason has come up with a WW&F version of "snap-track" and we'll go down the mountain laying panels at a mile/day pace.  If not, it would be real cool to imagine such a contraption.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 02, 2018, 10:22:23 PM
Thanks Joe,

At 74 I feel young when I come to the WW&F because there, I am "middle age".

Sounds like an interesting project and a great boon to our efforts, and a savior for our backs.

I can't wait to see the drawing of this new crane.

I am sure it will look something like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzYr7UGg8HI



Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 02, 2018, 10:58:51 PM
I think that video was the inspiration for this idea.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 02, 2018, 11:19:06 PM
Timbers laid out at Sheepscot for the approach span stringers.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_3759.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 03, 2018, 12:34:13 AM
Tie bundles are not part of the plan for the start. Handling the rail will be enough. I have another plan for the ties to make best use of our manpower.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 03, 2018, 04:44:19 AM
That 1900s railbuilding film is astonishing!
 Whipping together a spindly but clever system for that time, to speed up and take away a lot of the drudgery involved in a (I know) backbreaking  chore is damned impressive.
Setting up a similar system on a smaller scale at WW&F I'm sure would be absolutely welcomed. And probably fun to watch.  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on July 05, 2018, 08:00:06 PM
The bridge work outlook is fairly clear next week and gets hazy further out, due to weather and work progress uncertainty.

Week of July 9 (Next week):

Monday, Tuesday: pre-fab bridge abutments at Sheepscot.
Wednesday: install silt fence, mark out abutment excavation at bridge site (finish abutments if needed).
Mon-Wed: paint bridge (different crew).  (Painting could happen this or next Saturday, as possible.  Check with Linc- as the wood needs to be dry, and the work coordinated.)
Thursday: (rain forecast): continue work on steel temp spans.

Week of July 16.
Remove stumps from south bank. 
Jeff excavates for north abutment
Prepare stone bed for north abutment
Install pre-fab abutment.
Jeff backfills abutment.

Week of July 23:
Prepare for and drove piles for bents.

At that point, while we have goals, it’s best to wait rather than announce plans.  As we get closer we’ll post updates.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 05, 2018, 09:02:01 PM
It goes without saying but, I'm going to say it anyhow.! We need all the help we can get. Put off that trip to Europe or picking up that Power-Ball check. As uncle Sam says WE NEED YOU!!!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 05, 2018, 09:06:42 PM
..Put off that trip to Europe or picking up that Power-Ball check...
But...we could really use some of that Powerball check....
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 06, 2018, 01:33:43 AM
If anyone knows of anybody who may be intetested in volunteering, there are at least 6 different projects going on right now that could use help. Bridge work, prep work, grass cutting, track work, shop help, and many others.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 10, 2018, 01:28:48 AM
Photo update courtesy of Linc Reed-Nickerson. Painting is underway.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l84.jpg)

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/l86.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 10, 2018, 09:42:03 AM
It is actually a stain. Paint will crack and peel and need recoating sooner. Stain will last a long time and just fade while still providing protection
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on July 10, 2018, 09:43:36 AM
..Put off that trip to Europe or picking up that Power-Ball check...
But...we could really use some of that Powerball check....

Speaking of Europe, there is always Paddy Power ...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 10, 2018, 01:35:50 PM
Bridge color looks good.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 10, 2018, 03:25:25 PM
Bridge color looks good.

Jeff S.

Jeff assures us it is Moose Trout Red.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 10, 2018, 03:55:37 PM
Yippee!!
How about adding big, Pennsylvania barn-type Mail Pouch Tobacco  rental ads?  ;D
Remember seeing 'em years ago during Greyhound bus trips, NYC to relatives in Youngstown, OH.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 10, 2018, 04:21:09 PM
Shazam...looks guh-rrrate!! Like it finally "belongs."
My picnic tables' stain does last longer than paint in NM's brutal sun.
What about the outriggers? Please, anything but dayglo orange.  8) ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 10, 2018, 05:26:57 PM
Anybody think of getting a Wagner power painter - goes 10X faster and works great with stains.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on July 10, 2018, 07:53:59 PM
Bridge color looks good.

Jeff S.

Jeff assures us it is Moose Trout Red.

I thought I read that that shade causes Moose Trout to stampede! Do we want stampeding Moose Trout?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 10, 2018, 09:23:02 PM
Bridge color looks good.

Jeff S.

Jeff assures us it is Moose Trout Red.

I thought I read that that shade causes Moose Trout to stampede! Do we want stampeding Moose Trout?

Actually, the moose trout will be fascinated and will congregate at the bridge. So many, in fact, that there is a danger they will dam the brook. ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 10, 2018, 10:02:48 PM
So, they'll be the dam moose trout ??!?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 10, 2018, 10:37:43 PM
Drove by today...Albion or Bust!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 10, 2018, 11:51:40 PM
Ahhh...eternal optimism. Aint it swell?  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 11, 2018, 12:37:54 AM
Bridge color looks good.

Jeff S.

Jeff assures us it is Moose Trout Red.

I thought I read that that shade causes Moose Trout to stampede! Do we want stampeding Moose Trout?

Actually, the moose trout will be fascinated and will congregate at the bridge. So many, in fact, that there is a danger they will dam the brook. ::)

Jeff S.

So the conductors will have to add the Congregation of Red Moose Trout to their spiel... I can hear Bob C. now... 'Look quickly, this is the famous Moose Brook Covered Bridge over Trout Brook.  It is the home of the Rare Red Moose Trout who are purported to congregate here in large numbers.  It is commonly debated if the Rare Red Moose Trout form a congregation or a school or a herd.  Look... Look quickly and see if you can see any of them below as we cross the bridge.  Oh... damn, the bridge covers block the view out the windows...'
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on July 11, 2018, 02:28:25 AM
Bridge color looks good.

Jeff S.

Jeff assures us it is Moose Trout Red.

I thought I read that that shade causes Moose Trout to stampede! Do we want stampeding Moose Trout?

Actually, the moose trout will be fascinated and will congregate at the bridge. So many, in fact, that there is a danger they will dam the brook. ::)

Jeff S.

So the conductors will have to add the Congregation of Red Moose Trout to their spiel... I can hear Bob C. now... 'Look quickly, this is the famous Moose Brook Covered Bridge over Trout Brook.  It is the home of the Rare Red Moose Trout who are purported to congregate here in large numbers.  It is commonly debated if the Rare Red Moose Trout form a congregation or a school or a herd.  Look... Look quickly and see if you can see any of them below as we cross the bridge.  Oh... damn, the bridge covers block the view out the windows...'

It may still be up for a debate if it is a congregation, a school or a herd, but it is clear that the Red Moose Trout can be heard, but do they yodel? Then it wouldn't matter if the bridge covers block the view.

Luckily the administrator is busy, otherwise we would all be sent to the Gulag Archipelago of Sheepscot Harbor for corrupting this thread with the truth about Moose Trout! (cue the X-Files theme music)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 11, 2018, 02:39:09 AM
I foresee the Whimsical, Weirdness and Foolery Department in our future, or is that the future home of the Red Moose Trout when they are not congratulating under the soon to be installed Red Moose Brook Bridge?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on July 11, 2018, 03:15:10 AM
If they are the Dam Red Moose Trout might they be a Lodge rather than a Congregation?

Like the pesky neighbors South of Cross Road.
 
If they Yodel would they be Swiss? Swiss Dam Red Moose Trout = a Canton?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 11, 2018, 04:00:05 AM
"I can't stand it!!"--Charlie Brown.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 11, 2018, 12:14:18 PM
So, they'll be the dam moose trout ??!?

I just knew someone would make that comment. :-*

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 13, 2018, 11:03:25 AM
Jason tells me that Contractor Jeff will start the North approach and prep work on Tuesday. This is the only day Jeff plans on being there, as he has another job to do. So, look for pictures here Tuesday night..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on July 13, 2018, 01:00:07 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw it once before, but is there a drawing of the approaches and bridge in place?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on July 13, 2018, 02:14:21 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw it once before, but is there a drawing of the approaches and bridge in place?

Eric did some drawings on page 6 of the September/October 2017 Newsletter...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 13, 2018, 05:33:09 PM
I thought I remember reading somewhere that the gap to be bridged was 72 feet wide and there was now to be a short 12 foot span on each end of the Moose-Trout Brook Bridge. 

Out of curiosity, what is the span between bents over Humason Brook?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 13, 2018, 09:42:30 PM
Humason is about 30 feet from abutment to abutment.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on July 13, 2018, 10:53:23 PM
Crew call!  Tuesday, July 17 will be a big day.  Prep for abutments on site, including survey, hand leveling, silt fencing, haying.  Locating piles, etc.  If we have enough crew we’ll leave some folks at Sheepscot to continue abutment assembly. 

If we REALLY have enough folks, we’ll all line up along both sides of the bridge, pick it up, walk it north up 218, then walk it across the brook.

The last part is optional...

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 14, 2018, 12:21:14 AM
Humason is about 30 feet from abutment to abutment.

It was a big deal then when Humason was bridged in 2001, thanks to Harry Percival's design and construction by the Marine Wing Support Squadron 472, Detachment B, of Selfridge Air National Guard Base in Mount Clemens, Michigan.  Times have changed!

Harry must be smiling seeing what's been accomplished since then, and particularly with the Mountain Extension.  A fitting tribute to his legacy.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 14, 2018, 01:25:57 AM
Jason asked me to post this drawing illustrating the current plans for the bridge site.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 14, 2018, 01:31:03 AM
If memory serves me, which it often fails me anymore, I thought there were two bents between the Humason Brook abutments.  I was wondering if the two short approach spans (12 feet each?) to the Moose Trout Brook Bridge were longer or shorter than the span between the two bents.  In counting the ties on the Drawing Ed posted it appears that the approach spans are closer to 20 feet.

I agree with Bill, Harry must be delighted with joy at the progress that has been made.  I can not think of a greater tribute to the man who, single handed, had a dream and began this project which has inspired so many to create such an enduring legacy to him and the history of the Sheepscot Valley and the Maine two footer railroads.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 14, 2018, 10:25:15 AM
A pile of Piles..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0714180654_zpslbhfce5r.jpg)

Wood for caps and bracing

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0714180654a_zpseaytayhk.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on July 14, 2018, 10:32:39 AM
Tie spacing on the approaches is 18” on center.  South-side approach is about 13’, while north-side approach is about 11’.  Those are c-c clear span support dimensions.

Many of the 8x8’s in Mikes second photo are the 6x10x12’ approach span ties.  There are also a lot of timbers on hand to build the timber abutments (which the land-end of the approach spans land on).

See ya
Jason

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 16, 2018, 10:26:23 PM
Busy day at the bridge site. They moved the dirt work up a day because of expectant rain for Tuesday..

South abuttment location.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0781_zpss4trljj1.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0780_zpssattjg2m.jpg)

North abuttment and approach

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0870_zpszezwzqto.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0876_zpspsozrwwp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0883_zpsy813fvze.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0886_zpspmal3wli.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Al Michelis on July 16, 2018, 10:54:18 PM
Wow, that is really great work. Thanks for the pics, it really puts it in perspective.

Tomorrow's rain is currently expected in early afternoon. Hoping we can get some more timbers painted with preservative in the morning. However, this is Maine and Ma Nature doesn't read the forecasts.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on July 17, 2018, 12:04:28 AM
It doesn't really have anything to do with the bridge but I had a thought.  Every time I see pics like this or culvert installation I always think that a long time ago, someone was working to put that fill in place when building the roadbed.....   Am I crazy or does it ever cross anyone elses mind???
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 17, 2018, 12:05:47 AM
Wow!  What a change since Saturday!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 17, 2018, 12:17:11 AM
It doesn't really have anything to do with the bridge but I had a thought.  Every time I see pics like this or culvert installation I always think that a long time ago, someone was working to put that fill in place when building the roadbed.....   Am I crazy or does it ever cross anyone elses mind???
Every day. I think that this was all done by hand, using only horse and tip cart to haul material.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 17, 2018, 12:37:39 AM
It doesn't really have anything to do with the bridge but I had a thought.  Every time I see pics like this or culvert installation I always think that a long time ago, someone was working to put that fill in place when building the roadbed.....   Am I crazy or does it ever cross anyone elses mind???

No, not crazy at all.  I think not only about the many that built the railroad, but the railroad's effect on the communities it served.  The story about this railroad is the story about the people of the Sheepscot Valley, and can be told countless times about the towns and villages across the country.

I grew up by Cape Cod and have always had an interest in the Cape's railroad history.  Over the years I've learned so much about Cape community life in the 1800s and early 1900s, just tracing the story of the railroad primarily through newspaper archives, as well as other sources.  I've learned a lot about Cape families that for generations had a career on the railroad.  Just this month I learned a great deal more about the Drew family -- several members were roadmasters or engineers on the railroads in southeastern Massachusetts and the Cape in the 1800s and early 1900s.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 17, 2018, 02:34:32 AM
I have similar thoughts at the beginning of Cockeyed Curve where there is a cleaved rock on the north side.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on July 18, 2018, 03:39:16 AM
I saw a documentary recently that described a rail dispersal car used in building the transcontinental railway.  It was beautifully simple.  It was a very short flat car with rails balanced across the interior of the car.  On each side of  the car were two flat rollers at the corners of the cart for a total of four per car.  The car was advanced to near the end of track.  A rail was pulled to the side of the car and onto the rollers.  Rail would then be pulled over the rollers and laid on the ties and repeated on other side of car.  The car had 4 wheels and with a short wheel base I don't know if it was a full truck.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 18, 2018, 08:35:21 AM
https://youtu.be/lyfDHIsdKxg

Building the Grand Trunk in Canada. Fast forward to 1:10 to see their track building train.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 18, 2018, 02:42:41 PM
I don't see evidence of gauging or spiking ahead of the machine.....
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on July 18, 2018, 05:51:10 PM
I don't see evidence of gauging or spiking ahead of the machine.....

It's subtle, but if you look closely they're using gauge rods to hold the track in place. The spike crew is probably following along behind the train.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on July 18, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
I don't see evidence of gauging or spiking ahead of the machine.....

It's subtle, but if you look closely they're using gauge rods to hold the track in place. The spike crew is probably following along behind the train.

I say probably, and then I watch the rest of the video and do in fact see that the spike gangs are behind the track train.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 18, 2018, 09:55:32 PM
Timber Crib construction. Today one was completed..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_09041_zps7lkcrgtb.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_09081_zps0fujxess.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0910_zpsemrdwjhv.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0911_zpszfulo4gc.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0917_zpsup1wkmxp.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 18, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
Timber Crib construction. Today one was completed..

Wow.  Even with all those troublemakers in the first photo (ducking and hiding now).  Great job!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 19, 2018, 05:58:39 PM
Meet Marty.
Jasons supervisor. He says where he goes at the bridge site, Marty goes. Always watching.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0922_zpspfnkubt4.jpg)

So while looking at this photo, I remembered those tracks from a few weeks ago that I found. And how that tail resembles those foot prints... Moose Trout anyone??
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 19, 2018, 06:17:18 PM
Marty the Mouse Trout! I like it!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 19, 2018, 07:36:17 PM
Perhaps Marty is really the Duck in disguise!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on July 20, 2018, 10:38:24 PM
Marty the Mouse Trout! I like it!

Looks like lunch to me......
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 22, 2018, 12:09:03 AM
Marty the Mouse Trout! I like it!

Looks like lunch to me......

Hey, don't talk about Marty that way. Moose Trout are sensitive. ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on July 22, 2018, 12:11:09 AM
Marty the Mouse Trout! I like it!

Looks like lunch to me......

Hey, don't talk about Marty that way. Moose Trout are sensitive. ::)

Jeff S.

Pan fried with lemon and pepper.  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 22, 2018, 12:25:22 AM
I did not see Marty today when I crossed the brook, only the minnows, or would they be minnies? Minnie Marty Moose Trouts? Or would that be Meese Trout, where there is more than 1?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 22, 2018, 12:34:11 AM
I did not see Marty today when I crossed the brook, only the minnows, or would they be minnies? Minnie Marty Moose Trouts? Or would that be Meese Trout, where there is more than 1?

Mike, you’ve been spending too much time in the sun...🤗
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 24, 2018, 06:44:40 PM
I did not see Marty today when I crossed the brook, only the minnows, or would they be minnies? Minnie Marty Moose Trouts? Or would that be Meese Trout, where there is more than 1?

Mike, you’ve been spending too much time in the sun...🤗

A case of Moose Trout Fever. ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 25, 2018, 09:55:57 PM
I took a couple of pictures this weekend of the dirt work. Looking north, from the south side of the bridge site.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0721181502_zpsyfewqeam.jpg)

Looking north from halfway between locations 14 & 15. Contractor Jeff trucked off the debris pile that I had constructed.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0721181506_zpsdfd7czat.jpg)


Jason took these pictures today of the 2nd timber crib construction.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0970_zpsxer5aa5o.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0978_zps33ppzy9l.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_0982_zpskahikohs.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 25, 2018, 11:07:40 PM
Weekday crew rocks!!!!!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 26, 2018, 06:49:34 PM
I just looked and noticed we have not posted the completed span pictures yet. Well, here is one, upside down, taken Saturday.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722180920_zps9kmdqq2n.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on July 27, 2018, 01:13:07 PM
Hi !Back from vacation I  just finished reading your last comments and replies and looking at the photos. Bravo you all for the great work you've done on the bridge and around  over the past few weeks in vew of its next laying over the river. I can't wait for that big event.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 06, 2018, 01:13:58 PM
HELP NEEDED THIS WEEK!

Tuesday 8/7 and Wednesday 8/8 are bridge work days. There are PILES of tasks to be completed. Get out of your CRIB and come help us. This will be a major work effort at the bridge site and many hands will be needed to keep the project on schedule and moving forward. No RSVP required, APPROACH dressed in work clothes, boots, and gloves. Work will begin at 9am.

This is just the beginning of the big push to set the bridge in-place before the work window expires this Fall. Other opportunities to help will be announced when they are finalized.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 06, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
Site prep for the crane today. Chesterfield Associates has moved in.. Jason supplied us with these pictures.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_1252_zps9eaookhc.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_1253_zpsrhqtlrlb.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_1255_zpsiyo3vjky.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_1256_zps7yzbgype.jpg)

And of course, Marty the Moose Trout was supervising..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/RAW_zpselud5rz6.png)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 07, 2018, 01:19:32 AM
And of course, Marty the Moose Trout was supervising..

I'm really surprised his name isn't Fred.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 07, 2018, 08:58:00 AM
Jeff Schumaker named him- I think he was thinking the name needed to blend in with “moose trout.” 

Marty probably doesn’t mind what you call him, though I would try his patience too much...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on August 07, 2018, 05:45:56 PM
Excited to watch the progress!!
Is that OK? I guess it will settle in when the weight goes on it?
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/IMG_1255_zpsiyo3vjky.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 08, 2018, 02:43:47 PM
Great to see the start of TB construction and major Extension work underway.
Please don't spare the pics!  :)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 08, 2018, 09:30:35 PM
Jason passed along these pictures as of end of day Wednesday, 8/8/18. Blocking is in place and crane is set to reach across the brook to drive the south piles first, starting on Thursday 8/9.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_1299_zpswqfkrqd0.jpg)
Looking North at the crane

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_1301_zpsjid2m8s2.jpg)
Loking south at the crane (beyond the excavator)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 08, 2018, 10:50:28 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 08, 2018, 11:16:00 PM
BTW, there was another Marty Moose Trout sighting today. With all this hot weather Marty is eagerly awaiting the shade of our new bridge.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on August 09, 2018, 05:43:10 AM
Hi ! Things are coming along fast from now on . Just can't wait for next pics!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Al Michelis on August 09, 2018, 11:34:24 AM
Poor Marty - things will be a little rough for him for a few days.

Impressive photos.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 09, 2018, 12:33:38 PM
Hopefully, Marty will stay out of the way.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 09, 2018, 12:57:53 PM
Actually if everything goes to plan the only thing Marty experiences is additional shade.  I don't think we're supposed to be in the stream at all.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Al Michelis on August 09, 2018, 01:57:30 PM
I think pounding on those poles might rock his world a bit.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 09, 2018, 02:18:15 PM
No in stream work. Nothing is allowed in the stream per our permits. We have to stay above the normal high water mark, which has been accomplished so far.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 09, 2018, 02:56:03 PM
If the bridge goes in and Marty does not move from his/her spot, we have materially accomplished the whole goal of the permitting and design process - to erect the bridge in an environmentally-sensitive area without disturbing the natural habitat.

There is also a frog that likes to hang out in the area right in the centerline in the steam bed. We've called him "Datum Frog." I think he will appreciate the shade of the new bridge too.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 09, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
The first pile when in today.  Finished by 4 PM.  Marty and datum Frog were both seen at the end of the day relaxing downstream.  The good news is no one fell in the creek while rock hopping across.   Getting around will be much easier once the bridge is finished.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 09, 2018, 10:06:54 PM
One less Pile on the pile...

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_1351_zpscjfvxlv2.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on August 10, 2018, 12:41:10 AM
what's the total number of piles to be driven?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on August 10, 2018, 01:27:01 AM
The first pile was placed for the south side of the brook. Crane is on north side.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 10, 2018, 01:35:22 AM
Here's Dave's photo of the pile driving today, as posted in the August 2018 Work Reports thread:

(https://i.imgur.com/p1hD7Bx.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on August 10, 2018, 01:48:26 AM
Did it make a satisfying phft DONK phft DONK phft DONK sound like pile drivers I've watched and heard in action?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 10, 2018, 02:06:38 AM
More like a phft Dink.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on August 10, 2018, 04:08:53 AM
No Steam, Capstan, or Horse power?

Oh! Right! It has to be done THIS decade.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 10, 2018, 12:16:31 PM
what's the total number of piles to be driven?

22 seems to be my recollection, but that may a be an old number..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on August 10, 2018, 01:29:40 PM
Hi ! How long will it take to drive them in?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 10, 2018, 11:10:50 PM
what's the total number of piles to be driven?

22 seems to be my recollection, but that may a be an old number..

Eleven on each side of the stream. Four on each corner and three in a row in the center. The first was driven yesterday and three more today which completes four in the south east corner.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 11, 2018, 12:27:24 AM
Thanks Bill.  Sounds like great progress so far!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 11, 2018, 01:51:39 AM
For those not on facebook here's pictures of the start of the pile installation. The pictures were posted on the museums facebook page tonight.

https://www.facebook.com/WWFRailway

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/pd5.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/pd1.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/pd2.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/pd3.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/pd4.jpg)

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 11, 2018, 12:38:27 PM
What is the purpose of the corner piles?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on August 11, 2018, 02:23:32 PM
Are the pilings sharpened like a pencil before pounding or are they driven down flat?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 11, 2018, 11:06:43 PM
They are sharpened.  There's a giant pile sharpener hidden off to the side (kidding - they use a chain saw).
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on August 12, 2018, 12:30:45 AM
Exciting progress! How deep were they able to be driven and are they in close proximity to buried remnants from the piles from the original bridges?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 12, 2018, 11:09:04 AM
 According to my rough calculations from the first one on Thursday they are probably about 20 some feet into the ground. Jason of course knows exactly how they are.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 12, 2018, 12:00:46 PM
Depth is not the determining factor,. These are friction piles which means the soil resistance against the pile determines the load.  I have had 25 ton piles at 30 feet and the same resistance on other piles at 80 feet.  I actually had a 40 ton pile go 100 feet and disappear into the soil as we discovered an underground cavern.  I will let Jason or Mike give us the exact design load.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 12, 2018, 12:21:56 PM
Design load was for 10 tons per pile, but that was using smaller piles. Not sure where we are with the larger piles, but will be fine.

The soil is also the determining factor for the piles. There is about 12 feet (if I remember correctly) of clay that these are going through to get to the glacial till, which is what I am in building the wall. I am told there is a noticeable increase in resistance when the pile reaches the glacial till. That is very good load bearing material.

There is ledge relatively close by, but too deep to find with the piles.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John L Dobson on August 12, 2018, 01:26:25 PM
Are the piles rot-proofed in any way?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on August 12, 2018, 02:14:30 PM
I believe the green color is evidence of treatment.  Wood is not naturally that color (except poplar).
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 12, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
2.5 CCA

About 8’ of clay, then 2-3’ of till engagement.  Larger piles doesn’t mean greater carrying capacity- as the limiting factor is the till engagement, which is limited by hammer size, which is limited by crane size, which is limited by the permit restriction of working from the top of the roadbed.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 12, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
Are we planning for any "armor" for the upstream side piles for protection during spring thaw and ice jam movement?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 12, 2018, 07:15:52 PM
The bridge is getting the same thing as any other bridge on or near a stream bed has, which is piles at slight angles.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 12, 2018, 07:41:21 PM
Those are called batter piles.

The south west side was armored originally when built, and is still in great shape. And during our research found that adding any armorment could cause more harm than intended erosion control.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on August 13, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Interesting thing about piles is most of the support is not the base it's the sides. Have you ever tried to pull a stake? It works the same way for downward pressure. A well driven pile will hold many times more than the area of it's base would suggest.
Just for fun here's a video of a steam pile driver that was used to build docks on the great lakes. The show also has a 600mm steam railroad.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_7PPQx3PUY

Mike Nix
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John L Dobson on August 13, 2018, 02:14:18 PM
What kind of pile driver are you using – is it the kind where a diesel cylinder is mounted on the pile and the thrust is generated by the reaction of the metal mass?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 13, 2018, 04:53:37 PM
Pneumaticly driven pile driver.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 14, 2018, 12:42:44 AM
Progress pictures from today.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_3950.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/DSC_0058.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/DSC_0097.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/DSC_0119.jpg)

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 14, 2018, 12:55:49 AM
Thanks Brendan.  Looks like work is progressing well with the pilings.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on August 14, 2018, 01:17:26 PM
Hi! Brendan and thanks fort those inetresting pics . I 'm at sea when it comes to bridgeing a river but by now and due to all those photos and explanations I start to be aware of how it works and it looks like being a big deal given the  hard preparation works  and the heavy rig that are involved .
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 14, 2018, 01:50:10 PM
Brendan,

Wonderful shots of the work - keep it up!  Only one question;  Where is the Director's chair and Fred?  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on August 14, 2018, 05:37:28 PM
Cutting Ties!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 14, 2018, 05:41:48 PM
Impressive work.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 15, 2018, 12:06:30 AM
The piles on the south bank were finished today and given an initial trim to height.

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Pile caps coming off the truck. The long untreated timber is part of the temporary bridge assembly that will be used to roll the bridge across.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4061.jpg)

A bundle of cribbing being craned across the brook.

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Pile cap heading across the brook.

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Pile cap being lowered onto the piles for a test fit.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on August 15, 2018, 12:40:40 AM
Great photographic reporting, Brendan. Thank you!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 15, 2018, 12:47:15 AM
Wowee, I was just there two days ago and now things are now flying along.  No pun intended on how things fly across the brook. 

Good work all!  Impressive progress!  Maybe I should have left earlier.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on August 15, 2018, 03:49:38 AM
Thanks for the report & especially pix.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on August 15, 2018, 03:34:23 PM
Where is the fishy foreman at?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 16, 2018, 12:13:41 AM
Bob Holmes sent me this photo..


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Bridge%20Pile2%202_zpsinss6tm2.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on August 16, 2018, 12:20:43 AM
Very impressive that all the piles line up within a fraction of an inch (or part of a millimeter for Alain). How do they achieve such precision?

-John M
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Greif on August 16, 2018, 01:01:59 AM
If you are referring to the height they drive them in to a point at which they are taller than the final height of the cap beam, then cut the piles down to the final height. 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on August 16, 2018, 02:19:18 AM
how will the top beams be attached to the pilings?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 16, 2018, 02:40:48 AM
And, is the cross timber shown to be part of the permanent bridge, or just a level/vertical pile check?
Pile placement, plumbness, look great to frustrated-engineer me.  :D

Will youz guys set up and pop in the other eleven piles ASAP, then haul up and set the short spans cribbings?
No...wait. The big middle span needs to be slid into place first.

The Great Main Span Placement should be THE area event of this decade!  ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 16, 2018, 07:19:41 AM
There are 2 more piles that need to be driven. These are the outside "Batter Piles". They are driven at an angle (I forget the degree) that will protect these main piles.

Pictured is one of caps. Another one needs to go on, along with some bracing.

For reference, the trusses of the bridge sit on the 2 groups of 4 piles on the outside. The center 3 piles are under the approach span.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 16, 2018, 10:32:31 AM
The cross member is permanent and is the bridge cap that holds the piles together. It is held in place with bridge pins. One the batter piles are onstalled the cross bracing will go up.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 16, 2018, 04:06:12 PM
Thanks, guys. Love "snoopervising"  this whole process, never too many pics.
BTW, just got my newsletter.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 16, 2018, 08:41:44 PM
Both caps are on the south side pile bent and the cross bracing is on. The cross bracing still needs to be bolted through the piles. We're waiting on our bolt order. The crew is going to drive the batter/ ice breaking pile for the south pile bent tomorrrow and then move the crane so work can start on the north piles.

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View from the top.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 16, 2018, 10:28:33 PM
How are the very heavy (I know I worked on them) trapezoidal support blocks being positioned and attached to the bent caps?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 17, 2018, 02:28:49 AM
Fascinating. Superb work.  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on August 17, 2018, 03:08:39 AM
My News Letter arrived also.

Thanks for the report & pix.

Will the Bridge Pins go into the ends of the piling with gravity holding it in place?
And the diagonals.

Will you be using cast washers on the bolts?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 21, 2018, 11:30:38 PM
This picture right here makes me happy. Why? Because this is where I had planned for everyone to park while the bridge work is going on.. It keeps all of our vehicles out of Midcoast Conservancy's parking lot.


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Passing%20siding%20parking_zpsmzkimcak.jpg)




(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Pile%20Driving%20jig_zpsd2ls0zve.jpg)
This is a Jig that was conceived to help hold the piles. 6 Piles were driven today.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 21, 2018, 11:44:10 PM
So...five piles to go, and a nicely compacted ROW.   
What a country!  ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on August 22, 2018, 01:48:04 AM
Actually 7 to go. Two of those driven today are not part of the '11'.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 22, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
Oops.
Hope your weather cooperates for the next few days.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 22, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
Before lunch (and the rain), Jason sent me this picture..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_1577_zpsbddfdraq.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 22, 2018, 09:29:16 PM
Fortunately I was able to see the pile driving process, and note taking. Very interesting to watch and learn how it works.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 22, 2018, 09:57:41 PM
How are the very heavy (I know I worked on them) trapezoidal support blocks being positioned and attached to the bent caps?

Bob, I thought I remember that each of the three pieces was around 330 pounds, before being bolted together.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 22, 2018, 10:09:50 PM
You're right, total weight about 100 lbs for each support!!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 22, 2018, 10:11:43 PM
Oops, missing 0 (factor of 10) = 1000 lbs
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 22, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
Bob sent me these photos..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/20180822_140855_010_zpsbageoyej.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/20180822_141517_zpsgdesfcde.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 24, 2018, 11:08:06 PM
Bridge site Friday afternoon.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4185.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 25, 2018, 01:22:06 AM
Things are moving right along.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 25, 2018, 02:33:22 PM
[Moderator's Note]
A discussion about the virtues of Moxie has been moved (and combined with) a thread in the Whimsical, Weirdness, and Foolery section:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3087.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3087.0.html)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 28, 2018, 10:49:38 PM
Crew bolting the braces on the south bent this afternoon.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4337.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 28, 2018, 11:17:47 PM
Thanks Brendan.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 29, 2018, 05:16:32 PM
When will the temp "bridge" show up?
Looks like soon.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 29, 2018, 11:09:06 PM
Bridge work today.

Cross braces being installed on the north bent.

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Cribbing for the temporary spans being set up on the south bent. The temporay bridges will sit on the long grey beam under the cap.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 29, 2018, 11:37:55 PM
Hot, hot, humid day in Maine today, so kudos to the crew that completed this work.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 30, 2018, 01:12:04 PM
Thanks for the photos, Brendan. Things are moving along quickly.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 30, 2018, 11:36:16 PM
Today's bridge work.

The cribbing and jacks for the temporary steel bridges were completed on the south bent. Most of the bolts for the cross braces on the north bent were put in today. Work on the beams and cribbing for the temporary bridges on the north bent was started today and will hopefully be finished tomorrow.

Cribbing and jacks done on the south bent.

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Cross braces on the north bent.

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Lifting one of the beams for the north bent cribbing out of Fred's truck and placing the beam on the bent.

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Attaching the first temporary crib beam to the pile bent.

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Upper crib beam being put in place.

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Quitting time.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 30, 2018, 11:52:40 PM
Always good to see Jason give a thumbs up.  That means things are progressing well!

Why isn't Fred cutting ties?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on August 31, 2018, 05:57:35 AM
Was that a thumbs up, or just wishing he had a Moxie in his hand?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on August 31, 2018, 02:49:24 PM
 Given all those pics that show how fast things are coming along I guess you guys have a hell of moxie .
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 31, 2018, 10:35:26 PM
Always good to see Jason give a thumbs up.  That means things are progressing well!

Why isn't Fred cutting ties?

I was thinking the same thing, Bill.

Are ties being used for the temp bridge cribbing?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 31, 2018, 11:43:39 PM
Loading up the temporary bridge spans for the trip up to the bridge site.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on September 01, 2018, 11:26:36 AM
Ominous!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 01, 2018, 02:22:07 PM
How will the temporary bridge be set in place?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 01, 2018, 08:29:14 PM
The temp bridges will be set with the contractor's crane.

The dollies and gooseneck for moving the bridge showed up.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4470.jpg)

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on September 05, 2018, 06:42:48 PM
When will or has the Bridge been prepared for moving? When will the Temporary spans be installed?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 05, 2018, 06:46:15 PM
Work is ongoing this week, with the move from Sheepscot to the bridge site scheduled for EARLY Saturday 9/8. I assume that all the regulars are very busy getting everything done and haven't had time to post updates here (or on Facebook.)

I, for one, really wish I could be there today or tomorrow. I *may* try to get up there in Friday, but will definitely be there Saturday... but on train crew.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 05, 2018, 07:54:38 PM
So...I'm assumng the steel spans will be set on Saturday, and other work not interfering with this move will continue.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 05, 2018, 08:18:57 PM
The steel spans were supposed to be set in place yesterday or today. I haven't heard the results yet.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 05, 2018, 08:25:15 PM
I thought so too. But...were they??
The Trout Brook Bridge plot thins.  :D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 05, 2018, 08:42:05 PM
Steel spans should go up tomorrow, (Thursday 9/6)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 05, 2018, 08:54:07 PM
Thanks, Start.
My kingdom for ONE action pic!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 05, 2018, 08:57:45 PM
I don't know how we can brook all these changes in our plans.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 05, 2018, 09:17:29 PM
United Timber Bridge Workers Local 1894 Alna, Maine on their afternoon coffee break.

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Gooseneck assembly being placed onto the bridge.

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Timber crib for the north abutment approach span being placed.

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The area around the abutment is backfilled with rip rap to hold the timber crib in place. A ten wheeler load 2'-3' rock was brought in to build a retaining wall for the rip rap.

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4682.jpg)

The inside of the timber crib was filled with 1 1/2" stone. The mudsill will float on top of the stone inside the crib.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4684.jpg)

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Abutment work all done this afternoon. The timbers to the left of the abutment are for the crane outriggers.

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Driving in the last pin that holds up the timber that will support the temporary bridges on the north pile bent.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4655.jpg)

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4659.jpg)

The right of way into the bridge site got a layer stone in places to prevent any mud issues when the bridge is moved in.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4703.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4705.jpg)

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 05, 2018, 09:48:01 PM
Thanks for all the wonderful photos of these final details. I was really interested in how the bridge would be rigged and transported to the site, and I think I understand it now.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 05, 2018, 10:09:14 PM
WOWIE, DOWIE, Things are moving now.  Thanks a bunch for the pix.  I love the progress. 

Looks like driving the last pin for the temporary support was a "last Spike" team effort. 

Or just driving the pin overhead was just to much for any one member of the United Timber Bridge Workers Local 1894 Alna, Maine.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 05, 2018, 10:13:39 PM
Great photos, Brendan.  Thanks for posting them.  Incredible amount of preparation work completed today by everyone involved!  That was a lot of work done.

I'll admit when I first opened your post, I was concerned by all the troublemakers in your first photo... 

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 05, 2018, 11:20:01 PM
The tow vehicle for the bridge move.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4671.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4676.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 06, 2018, 12:16:14 AM
Boy, did my Bridge pic plea get answered SPECTACULARLY!!  No wonder there was no time for work pix the last couple days.  :P
Your Union is a FIREBALL OUTFIT! Mega-great work.  ;D
IIRC, my Corps of Engineers job called ~3" stone-cobbles; your bigger fellers there were  called small boulders. So there.

Saturday should be even beyond better. Good luck, work safe. Still wish youz guys would wear hahd hats.

BTW: Fred--your shop steward?   ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on September 06, 2018, 12:28:09 AM
Tremendous work from you all!  Congrats to all the volunteers and the contractor.  Just wish I was 10 years younger.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on September 06, 2018, 01:50:07 AM
Great pictures of a great effort, but I see only a can of Pepsi - no Moxie :-\
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 06, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Temporary span is in
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on September 06, 2018, 04:03:56 PM
WOW!!!  Thanks for all the updates and pictures! Amazing how much has been accomplished in the past several days. An outstanding accomplishment given the heat and humidity. Also didn't realize how much stone was involved or that setting the abutment cribs was part of the effort to be accomplished prior to the bridge move.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 06, 2018, 04:30:59 PM
Terrif!
Will Bridge be set Saturday?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on September 06, 2018, 04:35:45 PM
No "O S___" or "Ooopsies"   ? :P

That's great news.
What Paul said.
Saturday will be exciting and hopefully fun.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 06, 2018, 07:28:49 PM
Bridge will be set next week. Saturday is just the bridge move. A lot of work has to be done once the bridge arrives. Such as setting the outriggers and braces, and much more.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on September 06, 2018, 08:10:56 PM
A single word Wow ! That bridge story is getting more and more exciting as the Dday is coming nearer. I don't figure out yet how the bridge will be laid or drawn over the brook and what will be the use of the temporary  bridge. I'm very eager to see the follow-up. Thanks so much for the pics.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 06, 2018, 09:42:46 PM
The temporary spans and the two long floor timbers that support the outriggers parked in the passing siding area of the right of way. This is the only spot on the right of way that trucks can pass each other.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4720.jpg)

Traffic cleared up and we've made it back to the crane.

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Waiting to pick the floor beams off.

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Floor beams set aside on the crane mats. The floor beams will be reinstalled along with the outriggers before the bridge is rolled out over the brook.

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Adult supervision is never far away.

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Waiting to pick the first bridge span.

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First bridge span in the air.

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First span landed.

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Second span in the air.

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Second span in. Important decisions about lunch are being made across the way.

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View from the brook.

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From the north bank.

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The last big piece of cribbing going in. Steel crane mats will rest on this beam against the north pile bent. The other end of the mats will rest on the right of way over the abutment crib.

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Crane being backed down the right of way to park out of the way. The steel crane mats bridging the gap between the abutment and pile bent are in the foreground.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4843.jpg)

The bundles of ties have to be laid out across the temporary steel bridge and crane mats to form the road surface for the bridge dollies to roll on.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_4846.jpg)

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 06, 2018, 09:50:35 PM
Spectacular work.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 06, 2018, 10:04:44 PM
Thank goodness for adult supervision.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hunt Dowse on September 06, 2018, 10:41:32 PM
Spectacular progress!  Love the UTBW Local 1894 on the span.  Can't wait to see everything up close during FWW.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 06, 2018, 10:47:29 PM
Thank goodness for adult supervision.

I bet that was one of the few moments Fred was sitting still.  I wish I had his energy!

As for all the photos -- WOW!  Thanks for posting them.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 07, 2018, 02:16:33 AM
Great pics. Nothing like an organized, well-planned job.
Now, where will the REAL Bridge be parked for finish work before installation, which is set for...?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on September 07, 2018, 05:12:54 AM
Just got up out here, and I'm wowed again; Such big truck and crane on a so narrow trail and tomorrow the bridge, you're going to need a dispatcher to work out the traffic! Thank you so much for the pics and comments .
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 07, 2018, 12:36:03 PM
I don't know how we can brook all these changes in our plans.

Is there Moxie in that cooler??? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 07, 2018, 12:40:36 PM
Fantastic photos! Thanks, Brendan for your efforts. Saturday will be an exciting day.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 07, 2018, 11:39:24 PM
Today's progress:
Timbers were installed across the temporary spans and were load tested. Everything is within tolerance and ready to accept the span.
The moving dollys were installed to the bridge and the truck attached. The bridge was re-positioned slightly in the parking lot.
The bridge is scheduled to depart Sheepscot around 7am.

There are pictures on the WW&F Facebook page; you can get them (even without Facebook) via the main wwfry.org home page.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 08, 2018, 12:07:54 AM
Friday's pictures. Some of the pictures are from Jason and Bob Longo.

The wrecker making some adjustments to the gooseneck setup.

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Decking over the temporary spans. The white paint marks the steel beams underneath.

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From below.

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Testing things out with the excavator.

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Made it to the south end.

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All done for the day at the bridge site.

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The tractor hooked up and the bridge moved out into the parking lot.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on September 08, 2018, 12:20:43 AM
Thanks for the pix, Brendan.  Who was the brave soul that drove the excavator?   Looks like your hat.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 08, 2018, 12:33:50 AM
Only time I have ever worn a seat belt in an excavator.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 08, 2018, 12:40:48 AM
The bridge towing set-up is pretty cool - looks like a California "low rider"!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 08, 2018, 01:02:49 AM
Great Pictures.  Can't wait to see the next set.

With half the weight of the bridge sitting on the truck tandem bogies it looks like the weight on the front steering wheels is a little light.  Should make it easy to drive.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on September 08, 2018, 04:32:20 AM
Thanks for pics and comments I can't wait for 2 pm out here to see the report following .
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 08, 2018, 02:08:45 PM
Bridge has been delivered as of approx. 11 AM.  They finally left the parking lot at 8:25.  Once they got out on 218 it seemed to go pretty smoothly, at least from a chaser's point of view.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 08, 2018, 02:13:57 PM
That is excellent news. Now we can finally begin to get our parking lot back.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 08, 2018, 02:54:38 PM
An impressive day's work.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on September 08, 2018, 03:51:35 PM
Well done! Waiting for Brendan and Co 's pics and report of that once in a bridge life trip.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 08, 2018, 04:16:46 PM
Yea. So very many things are coming together.

It is a testament to the engineering talent of a few of our volunteers and the in incredible dedication of so many more.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on September 08, 2018, 09:11:59 PM
James said the Bridge has been delivered. Where is it "parked"? I am curious to know if the bridge had to be backed down the right of way which would be no small feat. Also will the truck and dollies be used to roll the bridge over the temporary span? I assume yes.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Al Michelis on September 08, 2018, 09:49:13 PM
James said the Bridge has been delivered. Where is it "parked"? I am curious to know if the bridge had to be backed down the right of way which would be no small feat. Also will the truck and dollies be used to roll the bridge over the temporary span? I assume yes.
After some initial difficulties, the bridge was indeed delivered to the site.  It went so well that the crew there continued on and set the bridge over the brook. I'm sure it will be lowered into place very soon.  Hopefully, video and pictures will be available tomorrow if not later today.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 08, 2018, 10:18:43 PM
Thanks for the update, Al -- greatly appreciated!  It's an amazing accomplishment today after months upon months of hard work by our museum, and thanks to the National Society for the Preservation of Covered Bridges, Case Western Reserve University, the National Park Service, Tim Andrews of Barns and Bridges of New England, and our bridge engineer Wayne Duffett, who has provided much assistance in other WW&F projects (edit -- I should have mentioned contractor Jeff Verney, who has been a great friend to our museum).  A truly great day in New England historic preservation.

Between this, the Mountain Extension right-of-way preparation for Fall Work Weekend, and all the other accomplishments this summer large and small our board must have had a slow monthly business meeting today!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 08, 2018, 11:23:15 PM
Board meeting was slow to get started as most of the board members were at the bridge site at meeting time.  However it was not a boring meeting - chock full o' news.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 09, 2018, 12:24:56 AM
They parked it right here..

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From Location 11

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 09, 2018, 12:46:07 AM
Leaving the parking lot and down Cross Rd. to RT 218.

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The bridge wanted to high center on the turn onto rt 218. Ties had to be laid under the tractor's drive tires to get enough height under the middle of the bridge to clear the crown of the road.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5022.jpg)

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The wrecker led the way just in case a tow was needed.

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Around the corner and heading north on rt 218.

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Stopped in front of the Alna Fire Department to let traffic pass.

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Back on the road.

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Going by the Alna Meeting house.

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On the road between the Alna Meeting House and Alna General Store.

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Pulling up to the Alna Gerneral Store.

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Parked outside the Alna Gerneral Store for a coffee break and to let traffic pass.

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Heading down the hill from the Alna General Store.

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Crossing Trout Brook on rt 218.

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Arrived at the right of way and backing off the road.

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Backing down the right of way to the bridge site.

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The crew prepping to back the bridge out onto the temporary span.

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Out onto the temporary bridge.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 09, 2018, 01:56:47 AM
Fantastic.... What more can be said.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on September 09, 2018, 05:40:23 AM
This feat of engineering makes me speechless with admiration and proud of being a member of the association that has achieved it. Congratulations. Thank you so much Brendan and Mike for all those breathtaking historic  and I must say emotionnal pics.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 09, 2018, 10:02:39 AM
I'm speechless.  I've seen some of the hard, hard work that has been put in the past year to lead up to yesterday, but to see the achievement yesterday -- speechless.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 09, 2018, 10:56:51 AM
Job well done to everyone involved. Awesome to see so many detailed photos and documentation of the move. What makes me happiest of all, is that we finally have a huge portion of our parking lot back. :)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jay Barta on September 09, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
For reference, if you go back to the second page of this thread, there are pictures of what the site looked like on 8/8/17 the day the test bores were done. A mere 13 months ago! Truly, truly remarkable.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 09, 2018, 11:51:10 AM
Well done, all! You guys are just fabulous!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 09, 2018, 11:59:47 AM
I wouldn't drive until were sure there are no nails and screws.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Al Michelis on September 09, 2018, 12:25:28 PM
I wouldn't drive until were sure there are no nails and screws.
Just to be clear, Fred means the area where the the bridge was in the parking lot. Lots of screws and nails there. Someone will put cones around the area.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on September 09, 2018, 02:58:43 PM
The WW&F crew is just amazing! I do not know of any other railway museum that has rebuilt a bridge and moved it across miles of road to place it on a new location. A year ago there was nothing there but moose trout. Today what a difference!

Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 09, 2018, 03:00:49 PM
Video of the move by Doreen Conboy.

https://vimeo.com/288924069
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 09, 2018, 06:16:57 PM
Brandon,

Doreen did a great job of giving us 'away' folks an insight into the results of what our 'locals' have accomplished over the past year or so since the bridge project started.

Thanks for posting the video.

Well Done to all, near and far.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on September 09, 2018, 07:53:12 PM
Thank you so much to Doreen and Brentan for that great video of a one- off trip and a memorable day.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on September 09, 2018, 09:48:38 PM
Thank you so much to Doreen and Brentan for that great video of a one-off trip and a memorable day.

Does this mean that the bridge won’t be coming back to Sheepscot Station for the winter like the Turner Center car does????   ;)

Keith
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on September 09, 2018, 10:38:42 PM
Thanks for all the pictures and the video of the bridge move. Quite an accomplishment and a significant milestone to say the least. Also have to note the mountain extension and caboose work going on as well. A very busy time!!!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Johnson on September 10, 2018, 11:32:03 AM
how are are the out riggers going to be put back on with the bridge over the brook?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 10, 2018, 11:33:33 AM
Finally had a few minutes to upload 3 short clips of backing the bridge across the brook. Turn up the volume for #1...

https://youtu.be/pd4WHxuAglM (https://youtu.be/pd4WHxuAglM)
#1. Some popping..

https://youtu.be/WnizghRGRYA (https://youtu.be/WnizghRGRYA)
#2. Deflection

https://youtu.be/VRIfDztmsKY (https://youtu.be/VRIfDztmsKY)
#3. One of the neighbors was talking to me, asking questions about Head Tide and the road (he thought we would build a bridge for that too).
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 10, 2018, 11:35:01 AM
Out riggers will be moved in with the crane, and slid under the bridge, before the temporary spans are removed.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 10, 2018, 01:12:53 PM
Wiscasset News article:
https://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/how-move-bridge-alna-take-route-218/107298 (https://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/how-move-bridge-alna-take-route-218/107298)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 10, 2018, 06:05:30 PM
What a fantastic article, photos, and video.

The level of support is remarkable, and our volunteers are amazing and do unbelievable things.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 10, 2018, 06:37:11 PM
If this had been a government job, they would still be doing "studies."
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on September 10, 2018, 06:55:39 PM
I have been watching and enjoying this whole bridge project.  I wish I lived closer so I could be more involved with this dynamic railroad.  Nothing surprises me anymore.  You guys just dig in and get it done and immediately initiate another equally difficult project and bring it to a swift conclusion.  I drooled over the photos and videos of the movement of the bridge.  I did not understand at first how it was going to be placed on the site, but all that preparation made it look easy.  When Don & I get up there for the FWW, that is one of the first places I want to visit.  Keep it up and never stop.

Bernie
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 10, 2018, 09:50:32 PM
Today we backed the bridge up the last ten inches and got the tractor disconnected. After we were done with disconnecting the truck the crane was set up and the south outrigger beam was fished under the bridge.

Backed up right to the edge.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5586.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5593.jpg)

Stop block behind the drive tires.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5598.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5614.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5631.jpg)

Fishing the outrigger beam in.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5623.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5625.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5638.jpg)

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on September 11, 2018, 10:31:40 AM
If this had been a government job, they would still be doing "studies."

Remember Wayne- this was- in part- a government job!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 11, 2018, 11:28:16 AM
What a fantastic article, photos, and video.

The level of support is remarkable, and our volunteers are amazing and do unbelievable things.

Reading the article, the only thing I want jumping out of it's skin is a moose trout into my frying pan - with lemon and pepper!
Corporate Presidents aren't as good with lemon and pepper, they just taste like chicken. ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 11, 2018, 11:29:13 AM
If this had been a government job, they would still be doing "studies."

You forgot about filling out the paperwork in order to conduct the "studies"....
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 11, 2018, 12:49:48 PM
We didn't tell you about the 6 months of permitting work with Town of Alna, DEP, Army Corps of Engineers, etc etc.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 11, 2018, 02:33:18 PM
We didn't tell you about the 6 months of permitting work with Town of Alna, DEP, Army Corps of Engineers, etc etc.

i.e. paperwork.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 11, 2018, 03:36:07 PM
They parked it right here..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0908180657_zps5njgzoqf.jpg)



ROFLMAO! :o

A 12 pack of Moxie for whoever came up with the "bumper sticker".

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 11, 2018, 04:16:27 PM
A 12 pack of Moxie for whoever came up with the "bumper sticker".

I cannot tell a lie...
... but I'll pass on the "prize".
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 11, 2018, 04:36:30 PM
Ed,

The "presentation" will take place FWW. ;D

Jeff S
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on September 11, 2018, 06:13:51 PM
One of the NH Conservation new K9's is called Moxie
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 11, 2018, 09:02:25 PM
We didn't start until after lunch today because of the rain. The crane fished the second outrigger beam into place and both outriggers were bolted into place. The corbels the bridge rests on were installed under the north end.

Using chainfalls to get the south outrigger beam in place while the crane worked on the north end.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5644.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5647.jpg)

Both outrigger beams in.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_out1.jpg)

Steve and Randy discussing current events.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5677.jpg)

The brook flowing higher from the rain.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5682.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 11, 2018, 09:36:11 PM
Good thing there is a bridge to cross over on now.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 11, 2018, 10:01:59 PM
Ed,

The "presentation" will take place FWW. ;D

Jeff S

I think we'd enjoy seeing that.

And then Ed can pass the 12-pack to Jason, who has well-earned it.

If Mike likes Moxie, he should get a 12-pack too.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 11, 2018, 10:12:48 PM
Well if they want the real sugar Moxie they'd better let the bootlegger know about it before he travels up for FWW!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 11, 2018, 11:54:46 PM
Looks like...the next steps are  re-mounting the outrigger wall brace diagonals, then the big move--carefully removing the steel helper spans out sideways, lowering the Bridge onto its corner support corbel pads,  removing temp cribbing and sills, finishing short approach spans, then ROW gradework .

Do I win?  ;) Dr. Pepper's my fave.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 12, 2018, 12:28:47 AM
I was a bootlegger for a while. I used to bring Yuengling north until it became available in Massachusetts and Maine. I still occasionally find a case of Little Kings in the back of my car.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 12, 2018, 02:04:35 AM
They parked it right here..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0908180657_zps5njgzoqf.jpg)



ROFLMAO! :o

A 12 pack of Moxie for whoever came up with the "bumper sticker".

Jeff S.
Don't forget a prize for whom ever added the "Save Marty" to the sign.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 12, 2018, 10:19:19 AM
I was a bootlegger for a while. I used to bring Yuengling north until it became available in Massachusetts and Maine. I still occasionally find a case of Little Kings in the back of my car.

Wayne "The Bandit" Laepple bootlegging a truck of Yuengling east of the Susquehanna River to Portland, Maine in less than 12 hours.
Sounds like movie material! Call Hollywood!

I caught a photo of Wayne's ride to FWW full of Yuengling and Moxie all in glass bottles.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/b7/37/1eb7371cd079d121d968974a00196408.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 12, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
A young Abq barkeep from SE Pennsylvania mentioned Yuengling, apparently a popular brew.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on September 12, 2018, 04:34:18 PM
I was a bootlegger for a while. I used to bring Yuengling north until it became available in Massachusetts and Maine. I still occasionally find a case of Little Kings in the back of my car.

Wayne....Yuengling is still unavailable in Maine and New Hampshire. A trip to Massachusetts is required.

Keith
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 12, 2018, 05:00:06 PM
For those wanting to place Yuengling orders please let Wayne know first.  When he's max'd out, let me know.  Yuengling has expanded it's line so please be sure to specify what you want.  Also, I will take all Moxie (original recipe) orders up until 30 September.


Sincerely,  Your friendly Moxie Bootlegger
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 12, 2018, 05:58:57 PM
Sorry, no bootleg Yuengling this year. I am not attending the FWW as I am recovering from heart surgery. hope to see everyone next spring!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 12, 2018, 06:18:02 PM
Sorry to hear that Wayne.  Get better soon - I know it's a long road back as I'm still on that road myself. 

Well with that update, please forward ALL Yuengling and Original Moxie orders to me before Sept. 30th.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 12, 2018, 06:46:10 PM
Get well soon, Wayne.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 12, 2018, 09:03:50 PM
Today we installed the diagonals and tension rods on the outrigger beams and rolled one of the temporary bridges out from underneath the bridge.

Upstream side of the bridge.

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5706.jpg)

Temporary bridge rolling out to the left of the picture.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5718.jpg)

Using the temporary bridge to install the diagonals and tension rods on the downstream side.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5722.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5730.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5735.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 12, 2018, 09:52:04 PM
As always, thanks Brendan for the photos for us away folks.

Wayne -- sorry we won't see you Columbus Day weekend.  We wish a speedy recovery for you!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on September 12, 2018, 10:30:48 PM
Unless there was some magic or I'm just missing it, the bridge was jacked up and the dollys and tongue disappeared at some point before the last batch of pictures. When did that happen?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 12, 2018, 10:34:36 PM
Gordon, wheels are still there. Look in the bottom photo, on top of the bent between the trusses.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 12, 2018, 11:24:36 PM
We have some really clever people working for us.  I would never have thought to use the temp bridge to attach the outrigger tension rods.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 12, 2018, 11:27:48 PM
Quote
I would never have thought to use the temp bridge to attach the outrigger tension rods.

I had the same thought. Now I wonder how they attached the outriggers to the west (upstream) side of the bridge?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 12, 2018, 11:33:44 PM
James, Ed...I was about to say the same thing.
Devilishly clever are they!
Wonder what's next??  ;)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 13, 2018, 12:26:40 AM
I was wondering if the sky hook was going to be used to put some brave volunteer on the outriggers to shinny out to connect the diagonals and tension rods.

As Boris would tell Natasha “Those clever Mainers know how to do things “.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on September 13, 2018, 12:46:32 AM
Get well soon, Wayne! You will be missed.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 13, 2018, 01:54:57 AM
Well Ed and Bill, it did take some rather daredevil antics by Brendan and Steve L to put the upstream braces in place.  The crane lifted the diagonals, and Brendan and Steve maneuvered some crazy scaffolding, including straddling the support beams, to nudge them in place.  By contrast, the downstream side was a piece of cake!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on September 13, 2018, 03:31:56 PM
Thanks, Mike. I assume then that the bridge is not in its final resting place yet.
Another question, how did you get to the top of the diagonals and tension rod to attach those? Was the sheathing left off there?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 13, 2018, 10:59:59 PM
Gawdon,
The sheathing was put on after the diagonals and tension rods. Hence, when they were removed in the parking lot there was an appropriately sized hole into which they were reinstalled.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Bolton on September 14, 2018, 07:52:02 AM
Did someone say they wanted bootleg Yuengling? I'm coming up for the FWW this year and Yuengling is in great supply down here! I think I can find room for a case or three. The progress on the bridge is outstanding btw! Looking forward to seeing it all in person in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 14, 2018, 08:56:54 PM
What's the latest in Bridgework?
When will it be permanently lowered onto its bents, short  spans set, track grade approaches done?

Its like watching the old serial action movies, waiting for the next thrilling chapter!  :o
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 14, 2018, 09:11:57 PM
They worked on the bridge every day this week. Expect a report shortly. And hopefully pictures
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 14, 2018, 10:32:19 PM
Bridge activity has been absolutely intense at least 5 days a week.  We had quite a crew surge today- I’d estimate 10 of us or so.

We’ve completed removal of temp spans, succeeded in adjusting the lateral position of the bridge around the north end, and begin jacking it down.  Every step is slow and careful.

Next steps include finishing the jacking down, removing temp ramps on north end, installing north mud sill, north approach spans, north approach ties, then partial decking.  Then we bring in stone for the south abutment, and put together that entire side.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 14, 2018, 11:00:10 PM
Jason downplays (but describes accurately) the huge amount of work done every day this week, and projected going forward over the weekend and all next week, if necessary.  It's still an all hands on deck situation.  Come if you can.

The heroics of the weekday+ crew cannot be overstated:  Steve, Randy, Brendan, Phil, Jason, Zach, Linc, et.al. I counted 11 crew today including Dave from the contractor all scrambling and creating innovative solutions to get the job done!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 15, 2018, 01:02:14 AM
Thursday/Friday pictures.

Removing ties off the first temporary span.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5748.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5802.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5751.jpg)

The first temporary span being lifted out.

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Rollers under the south end of the second temporary span.

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Rolling the second temporary span out from under the bridge.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5772.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5769.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5794.jpg)

First temporary span loaded on the trailer.

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Second temporary span being lifted out and being swung over to the trailer.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5822.jpg)

The bottom of the bridge after the temporary spans were removed.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5825.jpg)

Jacking up the north end of the bridge to put rollers under the bridge to adjust the bridge sideways on the pile bent.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5830.jpg)

Steve cranking on the come along to shift the bridge sideways.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge/IMG_5835.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 15, 2018, 03:53:57 AM
Spectacular!! By mostly volunteers, yet!  ;D
Would love to see writeups in Engineering News Record, Trains, Railroad and Railfan mags.  ;)
Also fitting would be a Bridge plaque listing all who had a hand in this project.   :P
Amazing, simply amazing.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 15, 2018, 08:49:34 AM
That would be a very long list. Lol. I'd say there has been probably 20 or more volunteers to help work on the bridge including but not limited to Jason, Brendan, Zack, Fred, Dwight, Steve L, Randy, Mark, Phil, Steve P., Steve Z, Mike, Dana, Rich Currie, Bob Longo, Bob Holmes, Michael Ross, Leon Weeks, James, myself, and a few others.

Edit: Also included Dave B, Bill R, Stewart, Linc, and many more.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 15, 2018, 02:01:44 PM
Absolutely amazing! Everything planned out to the "n"th degree and executed perfectly!
I can't wait to get a look at this, in person!

Thanks to all you dedicated and talented folks.

John
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 15, 2018, 10:30:30 PM
Well, planned out to the nth degree, BUT not everything went as planned.  The genius of the WW&F is figuring out safe work-arounds when the plan didn't exactly go as expected.  That's the hallmark of Mainers whether native or from away...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 16, 2018, 12:36:21 AM
And ya done good!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on September 16, 2018, 03:05:24 PM
Folks,
         Did you have to buy all those jacks, come-a-longs and other assorted equipment? Or was it possible to rent it? And yes, I think that a plate with that long list of names on it would be a good idea!

Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 16, 2018, 11:09:19 PM
Chesterfield Associates -- Marine Builders in Maine (google them) have provided the heavy lifting including everything from the large crane to the small machine rollers, and everything else in between, such as a large variety of jacks.  They also custom built the "tongue"  at the front end of the bridge for the move, and the steerable wheels at the backend.  In particular, Dave the boss and Zach the skilled crane operator have been hands on for many days.  Their experience at moving and placing heavy objects like the bridge has been invaluable!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on September 17, 2018, 01:19:32 AM
I have a question about Trout Brook unrelated to the current bridge project.  All the photos show the brook at very low water levels.  When the Mason's wreck occurred, locomotive #4 landed in fairly deep water at least five or more feet deeper than the current level.  Why was the water so deep?  It doesn't appear to be a high flood level and seems quite still.  Was there a dam further down stream?

Bernie
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on September 17, 2018, 03:05:16 AM
That's a very good question, Bernie. I had wondered the same thing. My first thought was a beaver dam, but that seems unlikely because beavers were extinct/extirpated in most of the US in 1905 because of trapping. (I'm sure there may have been a few beavers left in more northerly parts of Maine then, but certainly not in Alna.)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 17, 2018, 10:41:54 AM
The pool just down stream of the bridge is fairly deep. I suspect that has filled in slightly since the photo of the wreck, due in part (or mostly) of the erosion caused by the skidder crossing. They drug all that debri, stones, sediment and brush through the brook upsteam of the trestle. The brook pushed it down, filling in some of the pool.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on September 17, 2018, 02:37:32 PM
Mike,

Thanx for your answer.  When I get up there for FWW, I will check it out.

Bern
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on September 18, 2018, 10:26:20 AM
This is the first time I have ever seen a bridge wearing a pair of roller skates. Great work everyone. Even at a distance I feel that I am there seeing this progress happen.  :)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 18, 2018, 08:05:57 PM
So, is da Bridge finally set? Approach work humming along?
Need a progress fix!  :P  :D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 18, 2018, 09:19:28 PM
Check Facebook for pix of the bridge setting on it’s corbels in it’s final location. There are also pix of the temporary bridge spans being removed to make room for the north approch span.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 19, 2018, 12:08:23 AM
Thanks, Bill. Looks GREAT!
So for now, all ya have are two smaller, approach projects.  ;D
Youz guys are HEROES!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on September 19, 2018, 03:08:51 AM
Paul
"Heroes are ordinary people doing extra ordinary things"

These guys are Super Heroes because they are extra ordinary people that
are continually doing very extra ordinary things - in their spare time.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on September 19, 2018, 02:30:21 PM
fantastic, just fantastic!! I have enjoyed every post so far and can't wait to see trains moving across the bridge. One worry, in our neck of the woods, that bridge would be a prime target for ATV riders, 4-wheelers and other vandals. I hope you are taking security measures to protect all your hard work. At least trail cams, at best, an armed guard!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 19, 2018, 03:08:17 PM
Extra lines in a new buried comm cable could handle cam surveillance of Da Bridge.
And I think a ROW gate/fence at 218 would discourage snooping, vandalism.

It's a shame such extra but probably necessary protection needs consideration.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 19, 2018, 03:09:12 PM
Not to say ATV's wont be an issue, we are extremely fortunate to have some very caring and considerate neighbors.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 19, 2018, 03:16:42 PM
Good, responsible neighbors usually discourage, often prevent crime.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 19, 2018, 03:33:34 PM
Not to say ATV's wont be an issue, we are extremely fortunate to have some very caring and considerate neighbors.

At minimum the ROW and especially the bridge + approach trestles should be posted for No Trespassing since not everyone is as considerate as our good neighbors and friends. We should be posting all crossings with such discrete signs -

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/UPRR_UTA_No_Trespassing_sign.JPG/360px-UPRR_UTA_No_Trespassing_sign.JPG)

Legally the signs might have to be posted by the W&Q since that is the entity that the Museum is leveraging.

U.S. Code › Title 49 › Subtitle V › Part A › Chapter 201 › Subchapter II › § 20151
- Railroad trespassing, vandalism, and highway-rail grade crossing warning sign violation prevention strategy

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/20151 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/20151) <- Thanks go out to Cornell Law School!

(c)Model Legislation.—
(1) Within 18 months after November 2, 1994, the Secretary, after consultation with State and local governments and railroad carriers, shall develop and make available to State and local governments model State legislation providing for—
(A) civil or criminal penalties, or both, for vandalism of railroad equipment or property which could affect the safety of the public or of railroad employees; and
(B) civil or criminal penalties, or both, for trespassing on a railroad owned or leased right-of-way.

I'll see if I can dig up the specific Maine legislation for RR ROW Trespass.

I'd urge the BoD to consider it as an agenda item.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 19, 2018, 03:43:44 PM
Currently there are 4 potential entries to the grade in that area. They are not all clearly marked or recognizable, and two of them will be permanently blocked by logs, to keep them out of the new ditch I have dug.

The entry at 218 will be blocked by a rock or 2 when we are all done. We may have to hire contractor Jeff to move them, but the grade will be blocked effectively.

We normally don't have issues with 4 wheelers. They have marked trails, but they don't see much use like they do further inland in the state, where the riding is better.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on September 19, 2018, 04:16:34 PM
we are extremely fortunate to have some very caring and considerate neighbors.

You are lucky, here a lot of the ATV/trail riders do not respect other people's property. A gate or fence is something to be torn down, no trespassing signs are targets for shotguns. boulders or logs across a road/trail are simply seen as a challenge to get around. Any structure is something to damage/burn down. I would just hate to see the bridge burned AGAIN!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 19, 2018, 10:50:46 PM
I am torn between trying to keep WW&F safe from vandals and thieves by not over-exposing details of the RR's existence, to seeing many warning signs posted along the line,  alerting troublemakers to legal consequences of their warped damage.

Maybe both approaches would work.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 19, 2018, 11:24:36 PM
The bridge, and roadbed, are both in the middle of a land trust's property, Midcoast Conservancy.  I doubt there'll be much issue.

Further south in the past we've had issues with snowmobiles riding along the track and compacting it in between the rails, not so much nowadays.

FYI I think bridge work has a week and a half left to go, before our in-stream zone permit suspends until next year (Sept 30).  I'm guessing the south abutment needs to be finished in that time.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on September 19, 2018, 11:39:23 PM
When the bridge settled in,was there much tweaking to be done to level and align it to the track height?
How was any adjustment accomplished?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on September 20, 2018, 12:24:39 AM
The main bridge should not settle at all if the piling were driven properly.  Maybe the approach spans?
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 20, 2018, 01:54:22 AM
North bridge abutment and approach finished today.  Brendan will have pictures to which I will add some if I have some unique views.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 20, 2018, 02:24:48 AM
Bridge down on the corbels looking north.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5890.jpg)

Looking north from underneath the bridge. All the cribbing has been removed from the north end except for the two beams bolted to the piles under the caps.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5876.jpg)

Underneath the bridge looking south.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5873.jpg)

North approach abutment with the crane mats removed.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5871.jpg)

Mudsill sitting on top of the north approach abutment.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5893.jpg)

Approach stringers going in.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5897.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5899.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5904.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5905.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5909.jpg)

Approach stringers being pinned in place.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5913.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5925.jpg)

North approach span complete except for ties.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5936.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5943.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5958.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5961.jpg)

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on September 20, 2018, 10:06:56 AM
I think this will be the best spot on the railroad for photos for years to come. Great work everyone thus far.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 20, 2018, 12:03:04 PM
Yay. Glad to see the bridge stringers that we worked so hard on are getting used.  Those bolts weren't much fun to drive in. :)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 20, 2018, 01:03:02 PM
Nice work. When does work start on the south approach?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on September 20, 2018, 02:23:27 PM
Have the Covered Bridge people, the people who originally reconstructed the bridge, and anyone who originally "saved" any part of the bridge commented about what has happened to it?

Bernie
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on September 20, 2018, 02:34:40 PM
The National Society for the Preservation of Covered Bridges had an article about "our" bridge in their summer newsletter.

http://www.coveredbridgesociety.org/newsletters/nspcb-newsletter-summer2018.pdf
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 20, 2018, 02:37:08 PM
Yes. Bill Caswell, President of the Society for the Preservation of Covered Bridges, has been well informed of our progress and has been working among his circle of preservationists to ensure the success of this project. Unfortunately, he was unable to be present on bridge move day.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 20, 2018, 02:48:53 PM
And, Bill and his wife were recently at the museum. They got the presidential treatment.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on September 20, 2018, 03:06:03 PM
What type of fire prevention/extinguishing equiptment will be placed at the bridge?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 20, 2018, 03:09:38 PM
The entire bridge has been coated with fire retardent. Any fire prevention source would be supplied by either the tender and hose on the steam engine, hand pump fire extinguisher from on board the train, or a fire hose from the responding fire department.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 20, 2018, 10:30:06 PM
Grading out two loads of rip rap to bring the grade up to the approach span stringers.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5991.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5998.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_5992.jpg)

Spreading out a load of 1.5" stone on top of the rip rap.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6006.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6102.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6101.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6011.jpg)

Grading to the approach span done.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6018.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6022.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6029.jpg)

Putting ice and water shield over the top of the approach span stringers.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6036.jpg)

Linc cleaning off the last timber for the ice and water shield.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6062.jpg)

Placing ties on the approach span.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6041.jpg)

Bob slinging a bridge tie.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6055.jpg)

Ties in place on the approach span.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6079.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6085.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6090.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6094.jpg)

Bob's picture of me taking a picture.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6100.jpg)







Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on September 20, 2018, 10:35:49 PM
Nice job everyone, whose dog? Every railroad needs a dog!
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 21, 2018, 01:15:31 AM
You guys did all that today???!!  Wow.  Of course it was Elsie that made sure it happened!

Are the ties secured to the stringers?

This work will allow equipment to traverse the bridge to work on the south end abutment and approach stringers...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Springs on September 21, 2018, 01:34:51 AM
Take away the construction machinery (don't you just love Photo Shop!) and we get a preview of just how photogenic this location will be!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 21, 2018, 03:35:14 AM
Triple Outstanding!!
Almost done!
Will rails solely hold ties in place?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 21, 2018, 03:43:40 AM
Superb pic series!
Thanks.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on September 21, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
I second Paul.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 21, 2018, 02:39:56 PM
Ties are secured to the bridge timbers, then the rails are spiked down to the ties, and then bridge decking will be fastened. Without the ties being secured to the bridge timbers the ties would be free to move length wise on the bridge which would not be good.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 21, 2018, 08:40:29 PM
Thanks, Joe. Makes sense.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 21, 2018, 10:46:15 PM
Joe, out of trivial curiosity, how are the ties secured to the bridge timbers and abutment stringers?  Probably not prototypically in 1935...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 21, 2018, 11:33:42 PM
Spiking ties to the north approach span.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6103.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6112.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6115.jpg)

Excavator across the bridge to retrieve constuction leftovers from the south side.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6126.jpg)

Filling the bucket up with pile cutoffs and dunnage from the bridge move.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6135.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6137.jpg)

Heading back across the bridge to get some more cribbing out.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6142.jpg)

Retrieving one of the moving dollies.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6144.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6148.jpg)

Heading back to the bridge to get the other moving dolly and move the dolly further north up the right of way.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6151.jpg)




Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 22, 2018, 12:45:00 AM
Thanks Brendan for your work and the photos you've posted.  Looks like a lot got done today with a smaller Friday crew.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on September 22, 2018, 01:19:06 AM
Was that Jason allowing Linc to drill holes for spikes with an electric drill? The Jason I used to know would never stand for that!
Dave
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on September 22, 2018, 01:40:42 AM
Fantastic work folks!  Really appreciate the pictorial progress to be able to follow from afar. 

Thanks from Barb and Gary
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 22, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
The first vehicle to cross over the brook in how many years?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 22, 2018, 11:33:03 PM
Nobody helped Jason drive spikes??? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 22, 2018, 11:41:12 PM
The first vehicle to cross over the brook in how many years?
Weeks.  Remember, the bridge itself crossed the brook on wheels?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 22, 2018, 11:59:50 PM
Planks were installed on the bridge today.  Here's a mid-morning view, looking south:

(https://i.imgur.com/yD5PDrP.jpg)


Fred stopped by and provided good supervision, until he was sent on a quest to get more plank fasteners.

(https://i.imgur.com/ECho9Qv.jpg)


The end result.  Most of the day, 4 to 6 volunteers worked on this.  Work was wrapped up by 3 p.m.

(https://i.imgur.com/HoiZQLv.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on September 23, 2018, 02:48:41 AM
Somebody is gonna be real upset that you took their doorstops to mock up a bit of track there.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 23, 2018, 09:56:20 AM
So when do we get to finish the south approach?  FWW ?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 23, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
Is it an optical illusion, or has Bryce grown a few inches? He looks taller than Dana.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on September 23, 2018, 12:49:40 PM
Work on the south approach starts tomorrow, Monday. This years work permit ends Sunday Sept. 30th.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 23, 2018, 02:21:34 PM
Looks like a bit more work then can be fit into two days but of course you guys always manage to surprise me. :)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 23, 2018, 02:57:16 PM
I think Dwight meant the work would begin Monday and could continue through the week until completed.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on September 23, 2018, 03:52:07 PM
Is it an optical illusion, or has Bryce grown a few inches? He looks taller than Dana.

Jeff S.

Not an illusion: he and Dan are clearly in the "spurt' stage of adolescence. And both are a pleasure to work with.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 23, 2018, 04:01:43 PM
...And both are a pleasure to work with.

Yes -- definitely!  We're fortunately we have younger members like Bryce and Dan.  Bodes well for our museum's future.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 23, 2018, 06:28:32 PM
...And both are a pleasure to work with.

Yes -- definitely!  We're fortunately we have younger members like Bryce and Dan.  Bodes well for our museum's future.

I agree heartily.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 24, 2018, 04:09:31 AM
So great to see the coming end of Trout Bridge work.  If those involved were  Seabees or in the Corps of Engineers, they should receive a Military Unit Citation for that coming swift and clever completion, also for a next big improvement, the WW&F Mountain Extension.
Well, well done!

US rail publications, take note.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dana Deering on September 24, 2018, 08:39:48 AM
I'd like to echo the sentiment about Dan and Bryce (and yes, they are growing right past me!).  They are fine young men and a pleasure to work with. It's also fun to listen to the stories of their adventures.  I look forward to seeing them grow into leadership roles on the WW&F one day.  I also would mention their friend James and our other newer volunteer, Jacob.  We would do well to have more young people like them in our organization.  We should encourage and help them all we can.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on September 24, 2018, 12:48:48 PM
Let's not forget my friend, Carlos. While not as high profile, he comes frequently and quietly does whatever is asked. He is also well along in his training as brakeman.
Kudos to all our young volunteers! You are the future of the Museum. I'm very thankful that we have such dedicated young volunteers. I hope to see all of you at the FWW!
Dave
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 24, 2018, 11:11:09 PM
Stewart touching up the paint where the siding was cut to fit around the corbels.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6422.jpg)

The railroad's pickup truck made it out on the bridge today.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6430.jpg)

All the cribbing was removed from under the south piles today and the area was mulched and seeded.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6435.jpg)

Cribbing from the south side coming back across the bridge.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6442.jpg)

Grading for the south abutment crib.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6445.jpg)

Dumping 1.5" stone off the south end of the bridge for the abutment pad.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6453.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6472.jpg)

Spreading out the stone for the crib abutment base.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6481.jpg)

Checking the grade.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6485.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6492.jpg)

Pad almost done at the end of the day. We need to get another couple of yards of stone tomorrow to finish.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6498.jpg)

The north end of the bridge site was seeded and mulched today.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_6494.jpg)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 25, 2018, 12:17:40 AM
Thanks for taking time getting and posting the photos, Brendan.  Greatly appreciate seeing today's accomplishments.  Looks like it was another busy day for you, Jason and crew today.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2018, 12:24:51 AM
Very nice. I am especially glad to see the hay down before the expected rain this week.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on September 25, 2018, 01:23:54 AM
Ya Fall is the best time to seed - but then you have to mow it.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on September 25, 2018, 01:54:54 AM
How are we going to keep 4-Wheelers and snow mobiles off the bridge?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 25, 2018, 02:43:13 AM
Fortunately we do not have problems with ATVs and or snowmobiles, however I am sure some kind of honor system barricade will be placed in front of the bridge on either side.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 25, 2018, 04:11:06 AM
Mike mentioned a line of boulders to be set at the 218/ROW junction when work ends.
Gets my solid vote.

I'm sure, as inferred, mostly peaceful southern Maine  doesn't have the violent crime, vandalism, homeless probs formerly civilized
Abq is now burdened with, not to mention my birthplace, Staten Island, New York City.
But why take the chance some bored atv/snowmobile jock, psycho destroyer or arsonist (happened before) will stumble onto your latest and greatest expansion  that took years of planning, sweat,  funds, pride  to build, for the enjoyment of many?

So, at least, definitely protect Da Bridge!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2018, 10:07:04 AM
We have a temporary gate coming, should be installed after work weekend.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on September 25, 2018, 12:41:49 PM
I would suggest a couple of trail cams at the bridge site, at least 1 in a very visable spot and another well hidden. I'm not suggesting anything, only to offer peace of mind for the museum that if anything were to ever happen at the bridge is captured. Unfortunately in this day and age this is a must, and I will admit I do not know the area there on how the people are, so my applogies in advance.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on September 25, 2018, 01:43:11 PM
As Mike mentioned, we have contracted with Mr. W.E. Coyote of the Acme Bridge Protection Company, Ltd to provide us with a defensive system. A truckload of anvils, giant bungee cords, rockets and roller skates arrived yesterday. Mr. Coyote should be on site later this week. He has directed that two large boulders be moved to the top of a nearby hill. Not sure why that is though.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 25, 2018, 02:43:59 PM
And I'm sure Mr. Coyote wouldn't mind  that bridge cam setup, plus a gatecam, along with the improved comm cable extension suggested. 8)  :'(

And PS...make that locked gate setup permanent,  be part of 218 flagging  safety stops protocol some day. ;)
No, it's not historic, but reality, unfortunately, really rules these days.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 25, 2018, 06:45:53 PM
The difficulty with using a gate as "part of the 218 safety protocol" is not the opening of the gate, but rather its closing. Nothing pisses off the motoring public more than a train that stops on a crossing, which is what would have to happen in order for a member of the train crew to detrain and close the gate. Been there, done that, and it's no fun at all. Bad enough that someone is out there in the middle of the road with a flag while the train is not moving.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2018, 09:14:23 PM
Gate would only be during construction. After that the boulders would be moved into place. If the tracks were to go beyond 218, then there would be no protection there. Pretty sure the tracks would deter most.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on September 25, 2018, 10:40:33 PM
That nice,big red blank "canvas" is inviting tagging.  Be ready!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 25, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
On a more serious note, we should consider semi-permanent signage on the north ROW and the bridge over the next two years.  Warning signs to keep people off the bridge and possibly private property/no trespassing signs in appropriate places.  Properly done, these signs would also give us legal protection from idiots who ignore them.  Would have to be coordinated with the Conservancy.

IMHO, makeshift wood or paper signs would not suffice.

I took a couple of pictures today of the signs protecting the rail bridge in Bath and I can share them if there is interest.

I also know an on-line company that makes custom, inexpensive metal signs which I've used successfully before:  RoadTrafficSigns (email@roadtrafficsigns.com)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on September 26, 2018, 04:08:05 AM
well extra pairs when burying the communication cable will accommodate
CCTV, though I have seen some sophisticated wireless units. (Successful Farming TV program)
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 26, 2018, 04:16:25 AM
Wayne...
At 218/ROW:
NB--
*train stops at gate which brakeman unlocks, opens.
*road flagged as train crosses 218, re-stops clear of crossing.
*brakeman re-locks gate, quickly hops train, trip continues.
 SB--
*train stops short of 218.
*gate opened, train flagged across road.
*stops clear of 218 and gate which brakeman re-locks, trip resumes.

Minimal auto holdup, no train 'parked' on roadway.
I've dealt with: C&TS flagging, ATSF rail gates.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 26, 2018, 11:15:35 PM
Dumping a load of 1.5" stone off the south end of the bridge to finish the crib abutment pad.

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We used the excavator to walk the crib abutment across the bridge and lower the abutment into place.

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After the abutment was in place another load of 1.5" stone was dumped off the bridge to fill the abutment using the mini excavator.

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After the abutment was full of stone our local excavation contractor started dumping loads of rip rap so we could back fill around the abutment.

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The abutment filled with crush stone and starting to be backfilled with rip rap.

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Moving rip rap to the back of the abutment to make a ramp to get the excavator up on top of the abutment.

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Another load of rip rap being dumped.

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End of the day Tuesday.

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Moving rip rap Wdnesday morning. There was alot of rain Wednesday night and the brook came up a couple of feet in the morning.

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Looking out of the excavtor sitting on top of the abutment. We had to build cribbing on top of the pile caps to get the dump trucks out to the end of the bridge. We used the cut offs from the bridge floor beams and temporarily installed some of the decking boards out over the cribbing.

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Putting the mud sill in place on the crib abutment.

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Checking the mud sill height.

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The first south approach span stringer going in.

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Steve slinging the second approach span stringer.

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The last stringer going in.

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Drilling the stringers and pile cap for pins.

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Looking north with the stringers in.

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Randy and Jason driving the pins to secure the stringers to the mud sill.

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Ice and water shield applied to the top of the stringers.

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Putting the end cap on the stringers.

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Ties placed on the approach span for installation tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 26, 2018, 11:26:56 PM
Just incredible progress this week -- WOW!

Thanks for posting the photos, Brendan.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 26, 2018, 11:59:01 PM
I had to stop and think what day it is. I thought I missed a day someplace and was one day closer to the weekend.

Great progress..

Thanks for the pics Brendan. The brook will be higher Thursday..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 27, 2018, 12:27:38 AM
Simply amazing. My hat's off to the weekday work crew.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 27, 2018, 01:38:30 AM
Wowie, dowie, the mountain and the bridge crew are just amazing... amazing.

Incredibly impressive!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 27, 2018, 02:24:26 AM
Can somebody tell us what was the combined weight of Jeff's dump truck and the load of stone?

I'm wondering how that weight would compare with the weight of No. 9 with normal boiler water level and with coal bunker and tender tank full.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on September 27, 2018, 03:02:43 AM
Less than the standard gauge trains the original bridge carried.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on September 27, 2018, 03:31:24 AM
I would think the standard gauge locomotives were either Consolidations or Mikados.  They were taking fairly long trains into and out of the Berlin, NH paper mill.  I was in Rumford at the Oxford paper company mill where loaded train lengths of 1/4 to 1/2 mile were shipped daily about 363 days a year in the early 50's.  Also at the time the mill was still using coal as a fuel so incoming daily trains held about 600 tons of coal plus other chemicals and coatings such as clay from Georgia. The Berlin mill was one of our direct competitors.  The bridge you all have striven successfully would have had to handle these weights on a daily basis. 
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 27, 2018, 04:07:39 AM
I was told that missing stringers slightly reduced the bridge rating, and the truck weighs in around 54,000 lbs loaded. Which is close to the weight of future #11.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 27, 2018, 09:22:22 AM
Figuring the Jeffs truck weighs 60,000# is a good safety factor. The trusses are designed for a lot more loading than that, with the weight being spread out by rail. The trucks load is spread out by the decking. So the roughly 20,000# rear axles loading is not directly on one timber.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on September 27, 2018, 05:06:53 PM
I would think the standard gauge locomotives were either Consolidations or Mikados. 
Consolidations would be my guess, too. (B&M didn't roster any Mikados.)

Steam power aside, the photo gallery on the fundrazr page shows B&M GP7 #1560 crossing the bridge, which clocks in at ~250,000lbs. So that means the original span was comfortable with at least ~125,000 plus half a loaded freight car.

Even without the stringers, I think WW&F usage is well within its limits.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 27, 2018, 11:58:59 PM
The bridge ties being laid out and drilled for spikes on the approach span.

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Two of the spikes that secure the bridge ties are sticking up in the foreground. Each ties gets four spikes driven into the stringers.

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North approach span from the west side of the bridge. Jason is driving a tie spike above.

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Approach span ties all done.

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Starting to put the decking on the approach span.

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Word has come that a dump truck is coming to deliver rip rap to the south side of the bridge shortly throwing the decking crew into hurry up mode.

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First load of rip rap being delivered to bring the grade up on the south side of the bridge.

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After the truck left the decking crew was back at it.

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Second load of rip rap delivered.

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The final truck load of rip rap being delivered for the season.

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The first motorized crossing all the way across the bridge went to the little Komatsu excavator.

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Looking south after the south side of the bridge had been backfilled.

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Looking north across the bridge.

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South approach span finished.

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Looking north on the east side.

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Looking upstream at the east side of the bridge from the bend in the brook.

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That's it we're done for the year. Tomorrow we have to seed and mulch the south side of the bridge site and pick up some stuff from around the bridge site.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 28, 2018, 12:17:39 AM
Thanks Brendan!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 28, 2018, 12:22:20 AM
Looking back at the history of this project, it was announced on the forum in late August last year that we'd been gifted the bridge.  I think the parts arrived after last year's FWW.  From kit to emplaced structure in a year.  That's an impressive feat.

It would not have been possible without financial support of all of our members.  Last year's Fund Drive was truly outstanding and it appears that this year's is well on its way to being outstanding as well.  Thank you one and all.

I am curious to see what the bill will be from Chesterfield Associates   ??? :o
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on September 28, 2018, 12:24:43 AM
What world class work the bridge crew has done.  Looking forward to the FWW visit to see the progress in person, but many thanks to Brendan, Mike and the others who have kept us folks from away up to date photographically.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Springs on September 28, 2018, 12:39:41 AM
I've edited one of Brendan's photos (Thanks Brendan) to better show the beauty of this location.
"Over the river and through the woods".... Such a PERFECT railway!

Splendid job, ALL.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 28, 2018, 12:52:35 AM
That next to last picture says it all and should be conserved permanently.  What a well done job by all!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on September 28, 2018, 12:57:22 AM
Great job everyone, not only is the bridge " saved" but it has been put to it's original use!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on September 28, 2018, 12:52:53 PM
Does the crossbeam upon which the temporary bridge beams also get removed?

Great job!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 28, 2018, 12:55:45 PM
Hello All,

This has been (and will continue to be) and amazing project.  Hands down- the most amazing part has been our team of volunteers.  This absolutely wouldn’t have happened without the tremendous team effort, made up of individuals who all stepped up their level of involvement to challenge of the many difficult tasks before us.

Steve Lennox, Randy Beach, Mark Cheetham, Eric Schade, Phil Bleauvelt:  these hard hitting guys, already used to giving two days a week, all gave at least that and sometimes 4 days in a week.  Any given day you’d find Steve hopping around like a monkey doing hard physical tasks in tight little places.  Eric built cribbing on the south side which settled nary a 1/4” under the full weight of the bridge and the temp spans.  Randy kept a firm handle on most of our transit work while performing many intermediate tasks.  Mark was everywhere- providing a brawny back at the drop of a hat.

There are so many others who stepped up:  Steve Zuppa, Fred Morse, Steve Piwowarski, Bob Longo, Dana Deering, Zack Wyllie, Dave Buczkowski, Alan Downey, Bob Holmes, Stewart Rhine, Jonathan St Mary, JB Smith, Jay Barta, Al Michaels, Bryce Weeks, Bill Reidy, Mike Fox, Roger Whitney, Kevin Keirstead, Paul Crabb, Bill Baskerville, Ed Lecuyer, Gordon Davis and others.  Joe Fox managed to be a key player on the bridge while simultaneously performing a tremendous effort to prep for FWW.  Brendan Barry has give us multiple weeks of intensive volunteer effort- 8-10 hour days, 7 days a week, weeks on end, being the sole museum operator entrusted with Chesterfield’s equipment.  If I forgot you, yell at me; I deserve it.

Chesterfield Associates crew Dave Allan, Zach, Davis and Troy also deserve a special call out for being so flexible and patient in the execution of our plan; in fact Dave was instrumental in lending his many years of expertise in refining the details of our plan.  Of course Wayne Duffet, and his associate Christopher Snow, have volunteered invaluable engineering services as well.  Jeff Verney, our local excavation contractor, has been available with material at the drop of a hat- and handled the site prep like the professional that he truly is.

Every one of these people has been critical to this project’s success.  Every one.  Everyone has been a team player: no one turns down help when offered, and is happy to do their part without recognition.  But everyone deserves recognition.

And while this happened- we still ran our railroad, with a multitude of new events and community engagement opportunities.

I’m proud to be a part of this.  Let’s keep going; we’re well on our way to Farmington.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 28, 2018, 12:57:07 PM
During the coming FWW, it would be great to get all the folks who worked on the bridge project together at the bridge for a photo.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 28, 2018, 01:00:21 PM

I am curious to see what the bill will be from Chesterfield Associates   ??? :o

Will you need to be sitting down when you get it? ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 28, 2018, 01:43:37 PM
I wonder if we'll get a nice colored picture of the bridge on the first page of our newsletter like we had of number Nine/
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 28, 2018, 02:00:07 PM
Jason forgot to mention our excavation contractor, Jeff Verney. He has somehow managed to fit us in his schedule every time we asked. We are very lucky to have him in town.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dana Deering on September 28, 2018, 02:13:48 PM
I am in awe of the guys who have done the lion's share of this work.  I was happy to be a small part of it.  Maybe someday when I can retire I can be part of the week day crew!  You guys did an amazing job.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 28, 2018, 03:30:42 PM
Fred's truck was the first "railroad" vehicle across the bridge to pick up the generator and left over the lumber from the south side of the bridge.

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The south side of the bridge was seeded and mulched this morning.

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Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 28, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
Dave...SOP: at the end of sizeable projects the 'owner' inspects  to discover unfinished or improper elements, makes up a "punch list" listing needed corrections.
Probably bridge boss Jason or his rep would do so.






Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 28, 2018, 04:43:06 PM
Outstandingly built on time and expertly finished,  the great Trout Brook Bridge is now ready for trackwork I'm sure to the cheers of  WW&F  fans across the world.
Superbly well done!! ;D ;D ;D
Yes, a great big worker pic must go into, at least, the newsletter.
It's been a pleasure following the guys doing pro-level bridge work since last autumn.
Unsung heroes!

One question...why is there no gravel covering the south approach rip-rap, matching the north approach?
And I realize undone ROW grade work shown to the south can't be done until further permit approval is given.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 28, 2018, 04:50:11 PM
Unless my eyes deceive me from Brendan's last pictures, do we have more tree removal/trimming to do this winter around the south end of the bridge?  Looks like its really filled in over the summer.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 28, 2018, 05:09:59 PM
Yes, there are some trees and trimming to be done this winter along the RoW to Trout Brook.

Job well done to everyone involved. What a crazy and tense summer as the Bridge used up most of our volunteer resources. I am still working on setting up my schedule for FWW, and I cant wait to go show my presentation I am putting together. Everyone has done a tremendous job this summer and it is absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 28, 2018, 05:24:31 PM
Wowee...onto the next biggie, tracklaying project, before Mister Snow blows into town.
Take the wintor off, guys.  ;D
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on September 28, 2018, 05:28:34 PM
I'll be up Fri. am for the weekend. count me in
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 28, 2018, 07:38:34 PM
Also...congrats to WW&F planners and organizers Jason, Mike, Joe, others who got approvals, ordered materials,  set work sessions, invented work-saving devices, got-er-all-done; contractors who worked rail help into busy schedules.

Amazing.

Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 28, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
Over the winter we need to cut back the trees between the end of track and the bridge, and I guess we will cut additional trees in the right of way where we will be laying track, as trees were left behind to provide guidance to backing trucks.

Next year we have more road bed repair, including fixing the ditch along the straightaway south of the bridge.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 28, 2018, 10:39:45 PM
Taking winter off is not in our DNA.  It's a great time to do tree clearing and burning...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Al Michelis on September 28, 2018, 11:41:49 PM
Taking winter off is not in our DNA.  It's a great time to do tree clearing and burning...

And a lot of organizing and clean up around Sheepscot and the ROW.  We aren't knee deep in snow all winter and there is lots to get done before Spring.  So if you are feeling house bound, closed in and need to get out - you know where we are.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 29, 2018, 03:52:30 PM
Uh, Bob...that was my attempt at ironic funniness. I'm well aware there's always loads of WW&F tasks needing attention, are well taken care of by available volunteers.
Good luck with work through the winter.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 30, 2018, 10:15:16 AM
Down East magazine's Maine Dispatches column for November includes mention of the bridge move.

https://downeast.com/maine-news-november-2018/
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on October 30, 2018, 02:15:11 PM
Yay for a second mention by Down East this year. Just in case there was extensive concern over the lack of publicity specifically in relation to the Trout Brook move (it was covered in the local papers), since we have decided to look at the "Mountain Extension" as a whole, there will be a large media focus when we open the railway to Trout Brook Station, including the bridge, extended track, right of way work, connection with Midcoast Conservancy and our overall aim of restoring service on the WW&F.

Rebuilding a railroad is a huge project, and I am continually impressed to see how we have made strides on the restoration of this one. May we continue to experience such success and meet like minded people who would like to come and join us.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 17, 2018, 01:29:47 AM
I came across the following news report from the Gardiner Reporter Journal of March 7, 1902, regarding the Carleton Brook bridge.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 17, 2018, 01:40:50 AM
The passengers must have loved pumping a hand car up that hill.  Mostly down hill from AC to Wiscasset.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 17, 2018, 01:47:29 AM
The bridge had a middle pier in 1902?  Very interesting. Was this maybe an earlier version of the structure prior to the pony truss design in the Masons' wreck (1905)?
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on November 17, 2018, 02:23:17 AM
One wonders how many passengers there were - or handcars for that matter.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on November 17, 2018, 04:04:16 AM
Pumping a hand car up "The Ladder" north of Alna Center siding must have also been tough, especially after having climbed the long grade "up the mountain."
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 17, 2018, 09:20:02 AM
I wonder what class of service that was considered...
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 17, 2018, 10:14:18 AM
Fake news??
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 17, 2018, 01:18:24 PM
I had the experience of a handcar trip on Davis grade a number of years ago, along with if I remember correctly HWLTVM.

After that experience, I have no desire to try the ladder or the Mountain!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on November 17, 2018, 09:31:52 PM
It was me. IIRC the handcar was loaded with full Indian pumps.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 17, 2018, 11:53:55 PM
A long time ago Annie and I took the hand car on an joint bar bolt inspection trip to EOT which was at TOM at that time.  The trip north was fun.  By the time we got to the top of the ladder I was really glad that she was on board as TOF (This Old Fool) would probably not have made it by himself.  It was a fun experience, but tiring by the time we returned.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on November 18, 2018, 03:13:03 PM
I had the experience of a handcar trip on Davis grade a number of years ago, along with if I remember correctly HWLTVM.

After that experience, I have no desire to try the ladder or the Mountain!
Hi! On the AMTP the former TPT hand tipcar is powered by a double crank , the two trackcrew members have to turn with their arms when sitting on the hand tipcar bench. If the tipcar is loaded, it's not a bed of roses to get it into motion let alone to climb up a grade. BTW I don't want to pry but even if I've guessed that Dave is HWLTVM  I don't figure out   the meaning of these letters untill then. Can you tell me ? Please.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on November 18, 2018, 03:50:08 PM
something to do with harry potter.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on November 18, 2018, 04:20:03 PM
Thanks Fred. I'd better ask to my grand daughters so!
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 18, 2018, 05:34:23 PM
"He Who Likes To Volunteer Me."
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on November 18, 2018, 11:09:26 PM
Thank you so much Bill but I guess I've surely missed something, anyways it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 18, 2018, 11:23:42 PM
Alain, it's a play on the Harry Potter villain Voldemort, whom everyone refers to as "He Who Must Not Be Named", or when shortened is HWMNBN.  "He Who Likes to Volunteer Me" refers to Dave Buczkowski, another volunteer.  Dave and Bill are good friends In Real Life.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 18, 2018, 11:42:39 PM
Dave is also our illustrious president.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 19, 2018, 12:35:12 AM
Sorry Alain -- I should have been more clear.  Dave has a bit of history volunteering me (in jest), so at one point a few years back I said please never use my name (on an occasion where he volunteered me again) and I switched my forum avatar to Voldemort.  Soon I became known as "He Who Must Not Be Named" -- HWMNBN.

Dave has volunteered me a number of times more since then, so I started to refer to him as "He Who Loves To Volunteer Me" -- HWLTVM.   
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on November 19, 2018, 02:00:54 AM
Alain;
Fortunately Bill has been a good sport about being volunteered though it’s rumored he has complained to my wife. You will soon learn of the latest job he has been volunteered for. I’ll owe him meals at the Presidential Residence until the end of my humble reign... and maybe an adult, hop-flavored beverage or three.
Dave
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on November 19, 2018, 06:37:10 AM
I thank you all for your kind explanations. I've jotted down the meanings and I'm eager to hear of the last Bill's presidential outstanding assignment.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 19, 2018, 01:15:11 PM
There is a price for free breakfasts at the Presidential Palace..
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on November 19, 2018, 02:18:17 PM
Which may be why Mike has never accepted my invitations... Weight gain may be one of them.
Title: Re: Trout Brook Bridge - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on November 20, 2018, 05:20:48 AM
Dave

Out this way it is referred to as "Barley Pop"

As in "Soda Pop"