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Worldwide Narrow Gauges => US Two Footers => Topic started by: Rick Rowlands on January 26, 2015, 05:18:27 PM

Title: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on January 26, 2015, 05:18:27 PM
We are making pretty good progress on the restoration of the 23" gauge Porter 0-4-0T at the Youngstown Steel Heritage Museum.

Here are a couple of videos of the initial inspection and dismantling:
http://youtu.be/IO077WQEm6Q
http://youtu.be/hLdUBUQ6i7U

Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 26, 2015, 08:52:44 PM
Hi Rick,
Thank you for sharing these videos and keeping us all up to date on your progress. It's amazing how easily those nuts came off!
Regards,
Philip Marshall
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on September 29, 2015, 11:55:56 AM
We are making progress on the restoration of J&L 58.   Yesterday the boiler was removed from the frame, and later this week it will be going to the boiler shop for rebuild.  Scroll down the page for the pics.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33523379@N03/albums/72157649174154139/page2 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/33523379@N03/albums/72157649174154139/page2)
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on November 26, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
I filmed a short video today giving an update on the restoration of the 58.
https://youtu.be/r_1-f1RCCRE (https://youtu.be/r_1-f1RCCRE)
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on January 10, 2017, 02:18:10 PM
Work continues on the J&L 58 in Youngstown.  Looks like I have not updated this thread in over a year, so this is what we got done in 2016.

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Separated the boiler from the running gear.   Boiler goes to JS Company for work, frame goes to Reichard Industries for some heavy welding work.

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The roller bearing driving boxes were frozen into the frame, so I had to chain down the drivers and jack up against the frame to break it free. 

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The saddle tank had no means of accessing the interior to clean it out, so we cut a large opening in the top, framed it with 3x3 angle and added a cover plate.  There was about a foot of debris and rust in each water leg.

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I think we have the WW&F beat in terms of cramped shop space to work in!  Jacking the frame up off of the drivers.  The frame weighs 22 tons.

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Loading the frame to be taken to Reichard Industries.  This was the day that the 43" gauge shunter in the background was also delivered.

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New cab being fabricated in my garage at home. 

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Frame all welded up with the characteristic front plate reattached and a new rear frame extension welded on.  Ready to head back to the J&L NG.

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Since the 58 was built for 23" gauge and we will be following the same track standards as the WW&F, each driver tire must be moved out 3/8" to achieve 20 7/8" back to back distance.  I built a fire ring and tested it out on one of the spare worn out driver sets that we have. 







Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on January 10, 2017, 02:44:37 PM
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Rear frame extension

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I had a short piece of 6x4 angle with the J&L mill mark so I made it into an oil can shelf that will be affixed to the backhead.  A nice touch!

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I had some additional lettering printed onto this pressure gauge face to approximate what the gauges from Porter looked like.

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A local blacksmith friend of mine forged a piece of 1 1/4" square stock into the new throttle handle to replace this quite deteriorated throttle handle.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Glenn Christensen on January 10, 2017, 05:15:01 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on February 09, 2017, 02:27:29 PM
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J&L 58 now has a face!
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 10, 2017, 01:00:23 AM
The new front plate looks great, the engine probably hasn't looked like that in many years.  Thanks for the photo.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on April 29, 2017, 12:32:22 PM
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We put the 58 back on her own wheels yesterday. 

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The locomotive rolls with almost no effort.  Amazing considering it weighs about 50,000 lbs. in this condition. 
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Mike Fox on April 30, 2017, 01:32:01 AM
50,000 pounds? Looking more like 10,000 or 15,000
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on April 30, 2017, 01:57:02 AM
It's heavier than it looks. 

But with roller bearings three of us can move it.
https://youtu.be/2wq2fWcRGVE (https://youtu.be/2wq2fWcRGVE)
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Steve Smith on April 30, 2017, 02:12:09 AM
Good going, Rick and crew. Man, those drivers and that frame are massive!
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Mike Fox on April 30, 2017, 12:48:28 PM
Must be. The B&SR 7 weighed in at 66,500 pounds complete. You are saying 50,000 pounds with what is pictured, you are going to have one heavy loco when done.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: John Kokas on April 30, 2017, 01:23:08 PM
And that is why most steel plants had mainline/heavyweight rail laid for their switching operations.  Those crucible and slag drags were mighty heavy.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Ira Schreiber on April 30, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
That is a BEAST. Good going, Rick.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Mike Fox on April 30, 2017, 05:19:30 PM
And looking at your photos again, I see where the weight is. A brute for sure
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on April 30, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
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She weighs 93,000 lbs. in working order!  When we are done it will be a few pounds lighter as there are a couple of areas where we could lighten it up some.

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Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Steve Smith on May 01, 2017, 02:56:34 AM
For these Porter locos, the ratio of weight on drivers to rated tractive effort was about 5.6. Generally for steam locomotives intended for road service the ratio was around 4. Sounds like the Porter locos in question were sure-footed beasts.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on September 02, 2017, 02:07:19 PM
Youngstown Steel Heritage is hosting our annual Fall Open House on Saturday September 23, so for the occasion I decided to put the saddle tank on the locomotive to show what the finished appearance of the 58 will be.   I may bring the unfinished cab over from the "Coalburg Locomotive Works" aka my home garage and put it in place as well. 

While the tender looks extremely small compared to the locomotive, in many cases where saddle tank engines had tenders they were of a small size. 

She is going to be quite a beast when back in operation, now planned for spring of 2018. 
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 02, 2017, 08:25:44 PM
Rick,
The photos from the marketing sheets do not do the engine justice, pound for pound that little brute is a pocket-sized superpower machine. I wish my scheduled allowed visiting on the 23rd from NE PA, but I always look forward to updates.

I wonder what the "tale-of-the-tape" would be in comparing against her standard gauge cousins from Lima, Baldwin and Alco? I wonder what modern efficiencies could do to safely improve her as-built specs.  8)

Alex
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on September 02, 2017, 11:09:14 PM
The first group of these locomotives were built with 200 psi boiler pressure and a tractive effort of 16,700 lbs.  The second group of locos had 225 psi and a tractive effort of 20,800 lbs.  Factor of adhesion at that higher pressure 4.47. 

For a locomotive 20' long and 8' tall riding on rails two feet apart, 20,000 lbs. is phenomenal. That is why we call her "Saddletank Superpower" !
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 25, 2017, 12:42:36 AM
Nice photos form the open house. I can't wait to see the boiler installed on that pocket-sized brute! Looks like the Brookville is getting a lot of love and respect too!