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Title: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on January 26, 2015, 05:18:27 PM
We are making pretty good progress on the restoration of the 23" gauge Porter 0-4-0T at the Youngstown Steel Heritage Museum.

Here are a couple of videos of the initial inspection and dismantling:
http://youtu.be/IO077WQEm6Q
http://youtu.be/hLdUBUQ6i7U

Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 26, 2015, 08:52:44 PM
Hi Rick,
Thank you for sharing these videos and keeping us all up to date on your progress. It's amazing how easily those nuts came off!
Regards,
Philip Marshall
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on September 29, 2015, 11:55:56 AM
We are making progress on the restoration of J&L 58.   Yesterday the boiler was removed from the frame, and later this week it will be going to the boiler shop for rebuild.  Scroll down the page for the pics.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33523379@N03/albums/72157649174154139/page2 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/33523379@N03/albums/72157649174154139/page2)
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on November 26, 2015, 01:26:50 AM
I filmed a short video today giving an update on the restoration of the 58.
https://youtu.be/r_1-f1RCCRE (https://youtu.be/r_1-f1RCCRE)
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on January 10, 2017, 02:18:10 PM
Work continues on the J&L 58 in Youngstown.  Looks like I have not updated this thread in over a year, so this is what we got done in 2016.

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Separated the boiler from the running gear.   Boiler goes to JS Company for work, frame goes to Reichard Industries for some heavy welding work.

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The roller bearing driving boxes were frozen into the frame, so I had to chain down the drivers and jack up against the frame to break it free. 

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The saddle tank had no means of accessing the interior to clean it out, so we cut a large opening in the top, framed it with 3x3 angle and added a cover plate.  There was about a foot of debris and rust in each water leg.

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I think we have the WW&F beat in terms of cramped shop space to work in!  Jacking the frame up off of the drivers.  The frame weighs 22 tons.

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Loading the frame to be taken to Reichard Industries.  This was the day that the 43" gauge shunter in the background was also delivered.

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New cab being fabricated in my garage at home. 

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Frame all welded up with the characteristic front plate reattached and a new rear frame extension welded on.  Ready to head back to the J&L NG.

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Since the 58 was built for 23" gauge and we will be following the same track standards as the WW&F, each driver tire must be moved out 3/8" to achieve 20 7/8" back to back distance.  I built a fire ring and tested it out on one of the spare worn out driver sets that we have. 







Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on January 10, 2017, 02:44:37 PM
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Rear frame extension

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I had a short piece of 6x4 angle with the J&L mill mark so I made it into an oil can shelf that will be affixed to the backhead.  A nice touch!

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I had some additional lettering printed onto this pressure gauge face to approximate what the gauges from Porter looked like.

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A local blacksmith friend of mine forged a piece of 1 1/4" square stock into the new throttle handle to replace this quite deteriorated throttle handle.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Glenn Christensen on January 10, 2017, 05:15:01 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on February 09, 2017, 02:27:29 PM
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J&L 58 now has a face!
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 10, 2017, 01:00:23 AM
The new front plate looks great, the engine probably hasn't looked like that in many years.  Thanks for the photo.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on April 29, 2017, 12:32:22 PM
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We put the 58 back on her own wheels yesterday. 

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The locomotive rolls with almost no effort.  Amazing considering it weighs about 50,000 lbs. in this condition. 
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Mike Fox on April 30, 2017, 01:32:01 AM
50,000 pounds? Looking more like 10,000 or 15,000
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on April 30, 2017, 01:57:02 AM
It's heavier than it looks. 

But with roller bearings three of us can move it.
https://youtu.be/2wq2fWcRGVE (https://youtu.be/2wq2fWcRGVE)
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Steve Smith on April 30, 2017, 02:12:09 AM
Good going, Rick and crew. Man, those drivers and that frame are massive!
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Mike Fox on April 30, 2017, 12:48:28 PM
Must be. The B&SR 7 weighed in at 66,500 pounds complete. You are saying 50,000 pounds with what is pictured, you are going to have one heavy loco when done.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: John Kokas on April 30, 2017, 01:23:08 PM
And that is why most steel plants had mainline/heavyweight rail laid for their switching operations.  Those crucible and slag drags were mighty heavy.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Ira Schreiber on April 30, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
That is a BEAST. Good going, Rick.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Mike Fox on April 30, 2017, 05:19:30 PM
And looking at your photos again, I see where the weight is. A brute for sure
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on April 30, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
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She weighs 93,000 lbs. in working order!  When we are done it will be a few pounds lighter as there are a couple of areas where we could lighten it up some.

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Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Steve Smith on May 01, 2017, 02:56:34 AM
For these Porter locos, the ratio of weight on drivers to rated tractive effort was about 5.6. Generally for steam locomotives intended for road service the ratio was around 4. Sounds like the Porter locos in question were sure-footed beasts.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on September 02, 2017, 02:07:19 PM
Youngstown Steel Heritage is hosting our annual Fall Open House on Saturday September 23, so for the occasion I decided to put the saddle tank on the locomotive to show what the finished appearance of the 58 will be.   I may bring the unfinished cab over from the "Coalburg Locomotive Works" aka my home garage and put it in place as well. 

While the tender looks extremely small compared to the locomotive, in many cases where saddle tank engines had tenders they were of a small size. 

She is going to be quite a beast when back in operation, now planned for spring of 2018. 
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 02, 2017, 08:25:44 PM
Rick,
The photos from the marketing sheets do not do the engine justice, pound for pound that little brute is a pocket-sized superpower machine. I wish my scheduled allowed visiting on the 23rd from NE PA, but I always look forward to updates.

I wonder what the "tale-of-the-tape" would be in comparing against her standard gauge cousins from Lima, Baldwin and Alco? I wonder what modern efficiencies could do to safely improve her as-built specs.  8)

Alex
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on September 02, 2017, 11:09:14 PM
The first group of these locomotives were built with 200 psi boiler pressure and a tractive effort of 16,700 lbs.  The second group of locos had 225 psi and a tractive effort of 20,800 lbs.  Factor of adhesion at that higher pressure 4.47. 

For a locomotive 20' long and 8' tall riding on rails two feet apart, 20,000 lbs. is phenomenal. That is why we call her "Saddletank Superpower" !
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 25, 2017, 12:42:36 AM
Nice photos form the open house. I can't wait to see the boiler installed on that pocket-sized brute! Looks like the Brookville is getting a lot of love and respect too!
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on September 25, 2017, 11:36:20 AM
Thanks! I figure that I might as well post those pics here too!  Our little railroad is growing pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on September 25, 2017, 11:37:20 AM
Roster shot
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on November 08, 2017, 03:15:12 AM
I was recently interviewed for Nick Ozorak's The Roundhouse podcast.

http://theroundhousepodcast.com/2017/11/06/youngstown-steel-heritage/ (http://theroundhousepodcast.com/2017/11/06/youngstown-steel-heritage/)
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 22, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
Work is continuing on the J&LNG on three fronts.  First is extension of the mainline to the north property line.  We have another 100 feet to go to get to the end of what we can build, and in there will be a turnout leading to a future engine servicing area. 

Second is the ongoing restoration of the J&L 58.  Work on the 58 will be a bit more pleasant over the winter now that the west enginehouse doors have been installed and window panes installed.  Just a little more trim work to do and the enginehouse will be complete.

Third is the rebuild of our 5 ton Brookville, J&LNG 64. I am just about ready to put the regauged wheelsets under the frame, then we start remounting all of the drive components.  The original flathead Ford V8 and manual transmission was trashed and is being replaced with a 302 and C6 automatic transmission.  It will take a bit of shoehorning to get everything to fit, but ought to be an improvement over the old drive. 

We plan to begin limited train operations in May, being open and running on Sundays from Memorial Day to Labor Day.  Initially the Brookville will be our motive power until 58 is completed and operating.

Merry Christmas from your friends the Ohio two footers!
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 22, 2017, 08:07:01 PM
That is one tiny enginehouse. What was its prior function?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 23, 2017, 12:58:33 AM
I built it for the 58.  It is 10' x 20', just big enough for the locomotive. 
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Steve Smith on December 23, 2017, 03:32:19 AM
Snug as a bug in a rug!
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: John McNamara on December 23, 2017, 04:40:19 AM
I looked at the rails and thought they were really, really hefty for a two-footer, but then I remembered how heavy #58 is. :)
-John
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 24, 2017, 01:56:17 AM
So far I am using all 100 RB.  The western extension down the hill to the front of the property will be 115 RE, which if you think the 100 looks big, that 115 will look absolutely ridiculous. 

It is correct though.  A 1920s article on the narrow gauge at J&L stated that the entire railroad is laid with 120 lb. rail on steel ties.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on February 24, 2018, 02:10:49 AM
Quick update on the J&L 58.  Tubes are half installed.  The shop plans to finish them up next week, then do the hydro and assuming all is well then it comes back to Youngstown to be mounted back on the frame. 
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on February 24, 2018, 05:39:17 AM
Nice
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: John Kokas on February 24, 2018, 11:06:39 AM
Rick,  keep us posted on progress.  I will definitely make a trip out when she's ready to run again.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 25, 2018, 07:39:31 AM
While reading local newspaper accounts,  private narrations and photos on Facebook of the abrupt shutdown of eight steel mills in the Youngstown area in the late 70s, came across mention of Rick Rowland's present efforts to build a small museum featuring local mill history and rail vehicles used.
Great to see this happening.
Was a teenaged visitor to Ytown relatives in the 50s, some of whom worked in those nonstop, roaring mills which  overwhelmed the senses, enjoyed the fast-disappearing steam locos cruising the half-dozen busy railroads through there .
There has been some recovery, a couple small, modernized mills, but a return to the worn-out, monster-mill past is gone, along with most of the city's past, mostly jobless population.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on March 09, 2018, 11:09:19 PM
I went up to JS Company in Middlefield, OH today to witness the hydro test of 58's boiler.  It passed with no leaks in the pressure vessel itself, just a leaking throttle gland and a couple of studs to take care of. 

The work done to the boiler was as follows:

1) replace lower half of front tube sheet
2) replace one broken staybolt
3) install new tubes and ferrules
4) install new dome lid studs
5) replace lower half of smokebox including doubling plate

Total cost $12,450.   This is a state inspected boiler (Ohio) and does not fall under the FRA at all.

I plan to get it moved back here next week sometime and immediately begin the final assembly of the locomotive.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 10, 2018, 02:27:01 PM
That is great news.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on March 24, 2018, 03:51:13 AM
Since it would be rather impossible for a real face to face meeting, here is an HON30 comparison between a Maine Forney and the 58 and with a standard gauge boxcar.
Title: Re: Jones & Laughlin 58 Restoration
Post by: Rick Rowlands on March 24, 2018, 04:02:11 AM
next pic