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Other Maine Narrow Gauges (Historic & Preserved) => Maine Narrow Gauge Museum => Topic started by: Hansel Gordon on December 14, 2014, 11:51:13 PM

Title: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Hansel Gordon on December 14, 2014, 11:51:13 PM
As always, Bill puts on a good show with pleanty of B&M 3-chime action!
Unfortunately the firemen kept a full glass of water, resulting in poor whistle performance.

Video:
http://youtu.be/19o5ZaLCZ_s

Oh! And did I mention? B&M THREE CHIME!!!
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: John McNamara on December 15, 2014, 02:58:44 AM
Another good Downeast Rails production. The night shots were very interesting; I'm not sure Downeast Rails has done other night shots. My only quibble would be that there are too many running gear shots in the early part, and they were plainly shot on a different day than the scenes into which they were cut. (Clues: the weather is more overcast, and the nearby streets are wet.) As always, I look forward to more Downeast Rails productions. ;D
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Hansel Gordon on December 15, 2014, 03:07:41 AM
Hey John,
Everything was shot on the same day. (Handycam on the ground with my GoPro onboard). The first train leaves at 2:45 and the second leaves at 4:00, which is why it gets dark. Considering the GoPro recorded the whole eastbound moves, I thought I did a good job cutting down on running gear shots. I don't know, maybe I'm just a crazy steam guy!
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: John Stone on December 15, 2014, 12:09:16 PM
Nice work, Hansel! I like the running gear shots except that the cylinder cock steam made me expect that we were going to transition to a different scene! So, you used a GoPro? I was picturing the fireman holding your legs while you hung off the deck!
Does the MNG have heat in their coaches?
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Bill Piche on December 15, 2014, 01:45:49 PM
Does the MNG have heat in their coaches?

Yep. Nothing but the finest Edaville steam heat plumbing in the cars. Certainly makes the fireman's job more interesting beyond the fact he's having to provide power for a 7 car train in winter(ish) conditions already.
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 15, 2014, 02:03:59 PM
Nice job on the video, Hansel, although I would have preferred at least one shot of the whole train passing, just so i could admire the rolling stock. I hope you're out along the WW&F this coming weekend.
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Hansel Gordon on December 15, 2014, 05:12:19 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys!

And I'm glad we don't use steam heat in alna!
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: John Stone on December 15, 2014, 06:31:17 PM
Tough on the fireman, but I bet it's nice and toasty for the passengers!
I kinda doubt #10 would be up to pumping steam back through 7 cars on the W.W.&F. grades. Actually, she might be beyond her capabilities just getting that size train over the road.
Maybe just a cheery pot bellied stove back in the closed cars and the caboose would do nicely. Or, everybody could just wear a coat!
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: John McNamara on December 15, 2014, 07:28:47 PM
In past years we have sometimes used kerosene heaters. An attendant is required to relight the heaters, as the train vibrations tend to trip the safety switches. The open car patrons are on their own. ;D
-John
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: John Stone on December 16, 2014, 12:20:14 AM
Well, the trip is exciting, spirits are high and circulation runs freely. But, how does the engine crew make out on that long backup move into the brisk northern breeze?
Storm curtains?
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: James Patten on December 16, 2014, 01:31:42 AM
Well, the trip is exciting, spirits are high and circulation runs freely. But, how does the engine crew make out on that long backup move into the brisk northern breeze?
Storm curtains?

Winter hats.
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Hansel Gordon on December 16, 2014, 03:13:31 AM
Radios.
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 20, 2014, 02:58:42 AM
Years ago (late 1960s) when #10 was operating as Pleasure Island & Western RR #5 at Wakefield, Mass., there was a major grade on a curve which really tested the skills of both the engineman and the fireman.  The last few years of the park's existance, they opened up at Christmas just like Edaville, with lots of colored lights, etc.  Needless to say, the cold temps, ice, and snow, made running the line even more difficult, but the #5 never got stuck on the hill.  Running clockwise made it easier, as the grade to the station in that direction was a lot longer and more gradual. But they didn't always run that way, for reasons unknown to me. The train consist was usually 4 or 5 open cars (Brrrrrr!).

Richard Symmes
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Hansel Gordon on December 23, 2014, 05:18:32 AM
With a new set of firemen, Bill tries to keep the city awake!

Filmed as requested by Mr. Piche himself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOx3T6nIh6I
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Mike Fox on December 23, 2014, 09:10:01 PM
Nice looking train. Not a fan of the fancy whistle blowing though.
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Bill Piche on December 23, 2014, 10:19:49 PM
Nice looking train. Not a fan of the fancy whistle blowing though.

I agree. The train is nice, but that engineer's a jerk wasting all that steam.  ;)
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Hansel Gordon on December 23, 2014, 10:28:50 PM
Always gunna have nasty comments i guess...

I think you did great, Bill!
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Mike Fox on December 24, 2014, 12:39:00 AM
I wasn't being nasty.. Just saying I wasn't a fan of fancy whistle blowing. Say the same thing on the WW&F.
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Bernie Perch on December 24, 2014, 02:44:57 AM
What fancy whistling?  There in Portland, you have to let them know where the train is located.  Just hit somebody and the first thing you will get accused of is not using the whistle enough.  If you want to hear fancy whistling, listen to some of the Cass videos.  When I was running at Kempton, I enjoyed using the whistle.  Maybe I am just used to horn noise.  I live next to the Reading and Northern tracks and multiple trains come through blowing clear through the town and directly behind the house.  The R & N evening local blows AT the house--they know I am a RR nut.

Wayne stays overnight at my house before we head up for the work weekends in April and October.  He thought the trains were coming through the bedroom.  Maybe he can comment more.

Bernie
Title: Re: Polar Express 2014
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 24, 2014, 12:23:35 PM
There is a big difference between a steam whistle and a diesel horn, especially at 2:30 a.m. I'm not sure I'd like a steam whistle in the middle of the night.

I will say this, however. If you listen to old recordings or films of trains, the enginemen blow plain blasts, without any fancy tails, for the most part. Pedestrians and residents complained about the noise. Towns and cities banned whistle-blowing and fined railroads for violating their ordinances. Railroad rulebooks included language proscribing excessive whistle-blowing. The locomotive whistle was a tool and had its uses. So it remains today.