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Title: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: James Patten on November 07, 2014, 12:42:13 AM
This came from Dale Reynolds, who sent me a picture to post on the forum.  The engine looks like a copy of our #10, although it has #11 on the number plate.  Dale writes:

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Bob Springs of Seneca, SC has built a model of 11 to run on his backyard layout, I think 7 1/2 inch gauge, battery electric. I have run other electric locos on his loop, but this is by far the most realistic.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 07, 2014, 01:32:37 AM
Dang, our Vulcan has a mini me ... nice!
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on November 08, 2014, 12:07:32 AM
What a thrill to see our little #11's picture posted here!   ;D

It is, indeed, 7 1/2 gauge.  And while it is based on #10, I made a number of changes, some I really had no choice, others were just the way I wanted to build it, like the duck-bill roof so as it's somewhat freelanced I numbered it "11".

In the picture, it is nearing completion and is posed on the apron of our shop.  Today I brought her home.  I don't have the batteries and controls hooked up at this point but hope to soon. 

This is my first post here and as soon as I figure out how I'll post some pictures.

Thanks for your interest in our project.
Bob Springs
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on November 08, 2014, 11:16:51 PM
Here's a bit more information about our Forney.
It is 9 1/2 feet long, 4 feet tall and 28 inches wide.  The engineer runs this engine from INSIDE the cab.  The cab sides are hinged for entry and exit.  The rear truck is powered by a 5/8 hp electric motor.  The "drivers" are not powered.

Our #11 should have been wider based on the length and height but I have built other 7 1/2 gauge "ride-inside"  locomotives and 28 inches is about as wide as I care to go.  I simply narrowed the cab and tank a bit as I DID NOT want to go to a wider track gauge.  7 1/2 costs MUCH less than the larger gauges and takes less space, as well.
As it is, she is extremely stable.  The center of gravity was kept very low.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on November 08, 2014, 11:51:03 PM
Here's the 11 on home rails.  "BLRy" is "Bountyland Railway".  Bountyland is the informal name of our community.
You can just see the drive motor behind the rear truck.  Note the 1/4th length of landscape timbers used as ties.

Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on November 09, 2014, 12:09:21 AM
This shot shows a 1 1/2 inch scale (1/8th actual size) mogul in front of our Forney.  1 1/2 scale is the standard size for 7 1/2 when used as standard gauge.  Hard to believe both of these engines run on the same track gauge.

IMHO, riding IN is much superior to riding ON.

Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Keith Taylor on November 10, 2014, 04:31:29 PM
  1 1/2 scale is the standard size for 7 1/2 when used as standard gauge. 

Hi Bob;
Actually this is an issue that has been around for decades. The world wide "standard" gauge for 1-1/2" = 1' scale is 7 - 1/4" and it was only due to an error many years ago that folks started building to 7 - 1/2" gauge. To compensate for this error many builders of 7 - 1/2" gauge standard gauge prototypes now build to 1.6" - 1' scale. The northeast United States and eastern Canada still use the original 7 - 1/4" gauge and the southern, mid-west and west now use the slightly larger 7 - 1/2" gauge. It is a shame that this has happened as now you will be unable to bring your locomotive to the northeast and run on the many 7 - 1/4" gauge tracks here in New England.
Keith
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 10, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
FYI, a completely unrelated discussion of track gauge vs. scale has been moved to:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2352.0 (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2352.0)
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on November 10, 2014, 06:24:29 PM
Hi Keith,
I agree, it is a shame about the 7 1/4--7 1/2 split 'tho I've often wondered why not 7 1/16th which would have been "spot-on"?

Friend, Harry Kelley and I build electric powered locomotives (the mogul is sold) and BLRY also serves as our test track.  We build 7 1/2 as it is a larger US market.  

I have no plans to take the eleven on the road but y'all are certainly welcome here, anytime!

Bob
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on December 25, 2014, 12:06:42 AM
From Bountyland Railway (7 1/2 gauge)................

Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on April 13, 2015, 05:28:46 PM
We are getting to the point of building some replica structures.  Does anyone know what paint colors were used on the Sheepscot station, tank, etc?  Also the "yellow" on the barn?

Sure would be nice to be able to match the prototype colors!
Thanks in advance.
Bob Springs
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 14, 2015, 07:37:24 PM
Hi Bob,

The WW&F depot colors are from Ben Moore.   The lower / trim color (dark green) is called Evergreen.   The upper color is Yarmouth Blue. 

Start
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on April 14, 2015, 09:36:40 PM
Hey Start,

THANKS--Just the info I need. 
I just checked and I have a Benjamin Moore dealer nearby.

Bob Springs
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on July 14, 2015, 03:30:29 AM
Here is new video of our little railroad.
Shot today by Kevin Eagles.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZpFmuoTzr4

Bob Springs
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: John McNamara on July 14, 2015, 08:58:19 PM
Using the WW&F as a model for his railroad is very flattering. I love his copy of the 3-way stub switch!

-John
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 14, 2015, 10:44:05 PM
WOW!

Bob, you have done a great job recreating a miniature railroad, in miniature.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on July 16, 2015, 01:44:07 AM
John and Ed, Thank you for the kind words.
Despite my limited means I am doing my best to honor the great work being done at Alna.  You may be sure that everyone who visits our little project goes away with at least some knowledge of Maine two foot railroading in general and of the WW&F Railway Museum in particular.

Great job, one and all!  Thank you for working so hard (and smart) to save an important part of our American history.

Bob Springs
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on December 23, 2016, 08:28:32 PM

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
    from Bountyland Railway
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on September 19, 2017, 02:34:24 PM
Perhaps some will be interested in seeing our latest project--A station building patterned after stations at Sheepscot and Alna Center.  This is not a scale model but is proportioned to generally match the size of our engine and cars while still being large enough for our station agent to work inside.  The actual floor level is a foot lower than the apparent floor level and the ceiling is clear-story.  Plenty of room inside for 2 adults.
I'll send more pictures once the interior is finished.

Bob Springs
Bountyland Railway,  7 1/2 gauge
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on May 15, 2018, 05:30:02 PM
Work continues on Bountyland Railway, our 7 1/2 gauge tribute to The WW&F Museum.
Soon we hope to have the shop building far enough along to begin painting.  It's my hope that someone can tell me the paint color used on the WW&F shop.  Looks "cream" with a very light brown trim in the photos I have but I'd like to be accurate in my colors. 
Also, I'm wondering, was the Museum shop color patterned after the WW&F shop in Wiscasset?

Thanks in advance,
Bob Springs
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 05, 2018, 05:33:54 PM
The shop building is painted in Ben Moore "sunshine/sunny yellow" which is the name from about 20 years ago.  The trim is a custom color buff/tan.  The colors replicate the Wiscasset shop building that was painted in medium yellow with dark red trim that faded to a tan color.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on June 05, 2018, 08:12:03 PM
Thank you so much for this information.

Bob Springs
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on November 02, 2018, 05:48:12 PM
Our Bountyland Railway is currently building a replica of coach #3.  Can anyone tell me what color paint is used on the Museum's coaches.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 02, 2018, 09:36:27 PM
Coach #3 was painted in Ben Moore "Essex Green" when MNG restored the car in 1992.  As a result, coach #8 was painted in the same color to match.  Last year we sanded down through the layers on a spot under the overhang on coach #3 and found the original color to be a dark brown with a hint of green, (like a browner version of old Pullman green).  This is what J&S used when the car was built so the plan is to paint the new coach #9 in the dark brown color, then repaint #3 when it's restored.  Coach #8 was left outside a lot this year so it may be the first piece to be repainted into the heritage brown color.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on November 02, 2018, 10:14:30 PM
Thanks Stewart. Exactly what I needed to know.
Although I am quite a ways from applying paint it doesn't hurt to plan ahead. 
I admire the Museum for returning to the historically correct brown but I will likely will go with the green the car is now as that's the way I'm used to seeing it.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on December 16, 2018, 01:21:44 PM
Along with work on structure work, I am also building a coach which I hope to have in operation next season.
Here is the drawing from which I'm working.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on December 16, 2018, 01:23:06 PM
And here is the car as built so far.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on December 16, 2018, 02:32:34 PM
Meanwhile, work on our shop is nearing completion. Shown here with first coat of paint.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on December 16, 2018, 02:52:41 PM
Here I'm using the engine to show size.  Rail to top of cab is 4 feet.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Steve Smith on December 17, 2018, 03:02:10 AM
Bob Springs, you are surely entitled to charge extra fare to anyone wishing the luxury of those snazzy red chairs!
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Bob Springs on December 17, 2018, 06:55:50 AM
I picked those up at a local thrift shop for 10 bucks each.  Bountyland Railway does love a bargain.
Title: Re: 7.5" Gauge Loco 10 Model
Post by: Steve Smith on December 19, 2018, 12:58:24 AM
Ayuh, that was some bah-gin!