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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: Brendan Barry on September 24, 2014, 11:46:46 PM

Title: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 24, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
The concrete bases and frost posts are on site and the timber for the walls has been ordered.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on September 25, 2014, 02:11:19 AM
GREAT! We have needed to get our equipment undercover, for a long time.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 25, 2014, 03:04:05 AM
 Brendan,  Looking forward to how the concrete bases and frost post are installed. How are the two items secured together?    Thanks  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 25, 2014, 10:04:17 AM
..Looking forward to how the concrete bases and frost post are installed. How are the two items secured together? 

Gravity and friction.

We dig a deep hole, stick the base in it, then put the frost post in at its center.  The top of the base and the bottom of the post are smooth.  With lots of dirt packed in around them, they won't move.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2014, 02:08:06 PM
Planting these begins next weekend (I hope) with intentions of the framework being contructed work weekend, or atleast started.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 30, 2014, 11:38:41 PM
Anything started this past weekend?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 01, 2014, 12:11:10 AM
According to reports, layout was done last week. Not much Saturday due to the festival. We will give it heck this weekend though. Rain or shine.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 01, 2014, 12:38:31 AM
Some of the timbers are cut at the sawmill and I saw a big pile of logs ready for a trip through the mill.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 04, 2014, 11:30:28 PM
Sounds promising. What has happened this first weekend of October?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 04, 2014, 11:35:15 PM
This!  8 of 12 posts for the west wall.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on October 05, 2014, 12:17:51 AM
Zack Wiley in the trench lining up the post while Ira Schreiber watches.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 05, 2014, 02:37:02 AM
  Thanks, for the picture of how the concrete bases and frost post were installed.   Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 05, 2014, 11:59:18 PM
Can't be Ira. No derby.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 06, 2014, 12:25:11 AM
Fred mentioned that if we weren't able to get all the walls up for work weekend, that we should put a white sheet on the inside of the west wall and watch drive-in movies that way.  I said that we could park passenger cars on the roundhouse run-through track and people could watch them from there.  I think we have a money maker!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 06, 2014, 11:25:38 AM
Here is Steve setting a pad. The string is centerline, so adjustments were made before placing the post on.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 07, 2014, 11:36:28 PM
Dean sent me a couple pictures from the sawmill. This is most of the timbers for the walls.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 08, 2014, 02:00:36 AM
 Brendan, Looking forward to see how the timbers go together to build the walls. The sawmill had some good trees to turn into timbers.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 09, 2014, 07:50:28 PM
Wall framing was loaded up at Dean's mill today and is heading north tonight.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 09, 2014, 11:32:43 PM
Looks like it may be a little heavier than the dairy car.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 20, 2014, 11:41:43 PM
   Mike, It is great to know that the water problem is history. The last of the footings for both the east and west walls are in place. The timbers are going up and looking forward to the roof trusses.  Thank again for progress reports.    Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 21, 2014, 02:22:23 AM
Progress as of Thursday 10/16/14.

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The hole between the posts waiting to be stood up and the restrooms was the bottomless stump pit.

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Building location in relation to the yard tracks.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Troy Congdon on October 21, 2014, 06:00:44 PM
A couple of questions from an outsider looking in:

For the three track arrangement into the car barn, is there a plan to add another three way stub switch or is the plan for a more traditional ladder arrangement?

Realizing that the car barn is already larger than the WWFRy's current needs, is there land/space set aside should a need for lengthening the building become necessary in the future?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 21, 2014, 06:35:46 PM
Hi Troy,

The plan is to have a traditional "ladder" track leading into the barn. The track will continue past the barn through the woods into the parking lot. That will give us a place to put things out of the way, and provide a convenient location for loading/unloading from our trailer.

The car barn (and roundhouse) will accommodate all anticipated rolling stock needs of the museum - it's big enough to store 6 passenger coaches (we currently have 3) or 9 freight cars (we currently have 5.) I suppose it could be extended south a little bit if we needed to. We also have the whole NW corner of our lot in Sheepscot that could potentially be developed if the need arose. However, getting track to that corner could be tricky.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 21, 2014, 08:23:55 PM
Hello,

Ed's answer regarding the ladder track was correct as of this spring- but after our trusty track layout engineer Rick ran the math on the curves it turns out that another 3 way stub actially fits best- so that is our current plan.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Greif on October 21, 2014, 10:11:32 PM
People think that the goal is to rebuild the WW&F, but in reality everyone simply wants to revive the stub switch.  ::)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 21, 2014, 10:18:42 PM
We could do a 3 way point switch...
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on October 21, 2014, 10:42:22 PM
A 3 way stub switch would be ideal and we have the experience building them.  Besides "yard limit" speed or less, so no need for "high speed" switch.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 21, 2014, 11:14:46 PM
??? Fine, keep changing improving the plans.  ;)
Thanks for the correction, Jason.

While I have the floor...
I was wondering about the spacing between the tracks. I was thinking that the ideal spacing would be to put the East and West tracks as close as possible to their respective walls. This would leave maximum space between the middle track and the East and West tracks. This would allow visitors (or supervised guests) to walk through the barn and see the stored equipment.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 22, 2014, 02:45:15 AM
 Brendan, Thanks, for the many interesting pictures of the car barn and its relationship to the other buildings and tracks .  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on October 22, 2014, 10:28:40 PM
I continue to be amazed by the scope of the work accomplished in such a short time! Great pictures!
I can't resist asking: would a discussion about stub switches be considered pointless?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Andre Anderson on October 22, 2014, 10:43:03 PM
I continue to be amazed by the scope of the work accomplished in such a short time! Great pictures!
I can't resist asking: would a discussion about stub switches be considered pointless?

Groan  ::)  ;D

YES

Andre
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 22, 2014, 11:43:00 PM
Ed,

Spacing for the tracks was to be 10 feet on center, but that may increase to 12 feet with the increase of the width of the building. That gives you just a little over 2 feet between the outside of the car and the outside wall. But 6 feet between the cars. Room for working if it comes to that eventually.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 25, 2014, 10:21:59 PM
Pictures from Saturday 10/25/14. All the posts for the west wall are up and the headers are all up on the east wall. The rest of the beams were unloaded from the trailer and moved closer to the work site today and the trailer was dropped off at Fred's Used Lumber Emporium to be loaded up this week.

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The pile of lumber to the right of the car barn is the roof trusses.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 25, 2014, 10:31:29 PM
That will be quite a large structure by the time it's done.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 25, 2014, 11:25:30 PM
I believe the original plan for the car house was an open-sided pole barn. That plan has obviously changed dramatically. For the edification of those of us who weren't in on it, what is the current thinking?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 25, 2014, 11:30:51 PM
Wayne,

   Trussed roof, with steel roofing. Sides will be added. Open about 6 inches top and bottom of the walls so the building can breathe well. A man door will be on the south end of the East wall. 3 large doors on the north end for track entry. It was decided to build something permanent rather than temporary, like the pole barn, for about the same price.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 25, 2014, 11:45:19 PM
Poles were not as forth coming as we had hoped- the timber for this structure was purchased at the sawyer's cost- thanks to Brendan's friend Dean Copeland again.  The entire structure will be less than $20,000.

Jason

Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 26, 2014, 12:35:43 AM
Thanks for the information. Makes perfect sense to me. I hope the openings will be covered with chicken wire or some sort of screening to keep the birds out!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on October 26, 2014, 12:44:19 AM
Ok, since we now know what the roofing material will be, what type (style) of metal roofing? Corrugated tin? 2-1/2" or 1-1/4'?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on October 26, 2014, 01:55:23 AM
I would put the man door on the east corner of the south wall. Snow fall from roof will not block the man door.

Time of this post from Ossipee, N.H. is 10:55 PM Oct 25th
dwight
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on October 26, 2014, 03:35:59 PM
Good point, Dwight.
Also screening on the lower 6" to keep out critters of the four legged variety.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 26, 2014, 10:12:56 PM
Jason, The BOD are very fortunate to have Brendan and Dean to help in providing the timber for such a outstanding structure. The appearance of the Car Barn will look more like it would have in the 1920's and 1930's. The BOD idea to build permanent was a very wise decision.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 27, 2014, 01:13:21 PM
Time of this post from Ossipee, N.H. is 10:55 PM Oct 25th

If anyone is seeing incorrect times of their posts, etc., please see:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2339.0 (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2339.0)
for instructions on how to fix it.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 31, 2014, 07:47:40 PM
I would put the man door on the east corner of the south wall. Snow fall from roof will not block the man door.

Would it be good to consider two man doors (or people doors?) on the south wall to open into the interior spaces between the three tracks? That way the entrances would not be blocked by railroad equipment.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Andre Anderson on October 31, 2014, 11:27:32 PM
Ed,

If it was me I would leave 3 or 4 feet between the end of the track and the wall so if some gets carried away (and they will) they won't shove a car through the back wall. that would leave room for the door to open and still be able to walk around the cars.

Andre
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 10, 2014, 12:01:16 AM
Progress as of 11/9/14.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 10, 2014, 01:02:34 AM
I see the beam I dropped in the mud made it's close up..
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on November 10, 2014, 02:24:38 AM
With all the water in the pics, I wonder if the track will sink out of site when it gets a car on it.  Is more drainage planned?

Tom C.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 10, 2014, 06:40:11 PM
Tom, I am thinking of a small ditch only 6 inches or so deep will do the trick. But the track will also be sitting on 2 plus inches of stone under the ties. Should not be mud inside after we finish.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on November 10, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Especially if the roof does not leak.

Any consideration to insulation in the roof to prevent condensation.
I did this on my 44' x 60' pole barn and it stopped any dripping.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 10, 2014, 11:36:11 PM
Tar paper also works. I have 3 building that are steel roofing on strapping and I put a layer of tar paper under the steel. No drips. Insulation gives those unwelcome rodents someplace handy to nest.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 23, 2014, 08:06:17 PM
Pictures taken 11/23/14. Roof trusses are scheduled to be put up in two weeks.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on November 23, 2014, 08:18:54 PM
Great photos, as always.
Thanks
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 23, 2014, 10:17:46 PM
Perfect. I'll be there with my harness..
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 02, 2014, 02:51:41 AM
Car barn as of 12/1/14. Roof trusses going up this Saturday weather permitting.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 06, 2014, 05:14:00 PM
NWS Portland forecast shows area rain, drizzle through today (Saturday 6 Dec), tapering off tonight, assuming work was called off.
How about tomorrow?
Anxious to see this building done!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 06, 2014, 06:47:34 PM
Hi Paul,

Yes, about 1" of snow overnight.  Precip changed to snain around 8 this morning.  No outside work was done at the railroad today. 

Start
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 08, 2014, 04:59:15 AM
Really appreciate the prolific efforts made to show what you guys are continually doing to expand WW&F, like putting up your maintenance garage, #9's thorough rebuild, TOW mainline advances.
The work atmosphere seems comfortably mellow but very dedicated to excellent work.
How do I join yer outfit and get newsletters?

Paul in faraway Albuquerque, former 2926 worker (one more year!)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 08, 2014, 11:12:53 AM
Paul,

The easiest way to join would be to go to the webpage (http://www.wwfry.org (http://www.wwfry.org)) and click on the Donate button.  This allows you to donate through PayPal.  Dues are $30 for an annual membership, $300 for a lifetime membership.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 10, 2014, 11:05:20 PM
The truss erection has been delayed until the Spring.  The weather is too iffy, plus with all this rain I imagine the area is extraordinarily muddy.

It may be work weekend, or later.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 10, 2014, 11:21:02 PM
Wait a few more weeks and the ground will be very solid.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 11, 2014, 09:17:46 PM
Thanks, James.
Have joined up.
Looking forward to WW&F work next spring.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everybody.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 12, 2014, 03:25:48 AM
Thanks, James.
Have joined up.

Paul,

Welcome aboard! If you would like to catch up on previous activities, please see the "Newsletters" section on the "Home" section of this forum. The "Newsletters" section only shows up when a member logs in, so you won't see it until Ed Lecuyer has entered your name in the forum's member list, but that should happen quite quickly.

-John
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 21, 2014, 04:17:23 PM
John...Have done so and learned much about what, and when history, work, that has improved WW&F. Thanks.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 29, 2014, 10:02:19 PM
Car barn as of 12/29/14. James has a report on progress in the December 2014 work planning thread.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on May 26, 2015, 11:20:15 PM
*Breaking News*
The crane to set the roof trusses will be onsite at the Museum on Saturday, May 30.  We need as many people as we can to help out that day. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 26, 2015, 11:47:51 PM
I'll load my harness..
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 30, 2015, 06:37:43 PM
All the roof trusses are up pictures to follow.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 30, 2015, 10:38:30 PM
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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on May 30, 2015, 10:54:12 PM
Brendan - Many thanks for sharing the progress with us!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 30, 2015, 11:22:43 PM
Thos pictures do not do the size of the building justice. Just to stand in the middle with all those trusses overhead, it is huge. Of course, we could tell how long it was walking the rat run back and forth.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on May 30, 2015, 11:33:14 PM
Amazing!!
SH
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 30, 2015, 11:36:33 PM
Well done, everyone! I can't wait to see this in person.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on May 31, 2015, 12:36:20 AM
Wow, that is amazing!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 31, 2015, 12:53:05 AM
Great work, as always. I will be up in two weeks and expect to see the car barn completed by then.  lol.

Ira
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on May 31, 2015, 02:58:50 AM
I really wish I could have been there to help, but I'm kinda glad I wasn't.  I don't think I could have kept up..

My Lord, you guys are FIT!!!!!!

I'm breathing hard just looking at the photos!  I think I need a nap.


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 31, 2015, 10:08:03 AM
Teamwork was the key to the truss work.  Zack and Steve Z. planned everything ahead of time and things went well after the first two trusses went up.  Zack made a jig shoe that fit on the end of each truss so it was set in the correct place.  Zack and James worked the east side of the framing and Steve worked the west side.  The rest of us, Mike, Brendan and I worked the top and had to "catch" each truss as it was lowered down by the crane.  Once it was on the header beams Zack and Steve matched the layout then Zack said "OK" and they would start attaching the truss.  The top crew installed the spacers at the same time.  Mike had the fun job of climbing the ladder (set up on plywood) to install the top braces.  With each new truss we had to install more plywood to work from.  Fred and Bill R. kept us supplied with plywood that Fred had staged before hand.  He delivered it to the end of the building with the tractor and the pieces had to be dragged down through the attic which got long rather quickly.  Leon, Dave B. and Bill F. hooked the trusses on the crane and Dave rope-guided each truss to the correct angle for setting on the building's frame.

It was a looooonnng day but worth every minute.  It's a pleasure working with such a talented crew.  Our crane operator Danny was spot-on with fetching and landing the trusses.  He had to move the crane truck a number of times for placement of the frames.  The trusses are bull strong when secured but have much lateral motion without the rat run in place.  We had to work with "loose" trusses for a few minutes when the plywood supply ran low and the frames just kept coming.

All in all, great work by the edge crew, top crew, ground crew and everyone who supplied us with nails, spacers, 2X6 bracing and plywood.  Next steps: more bracing and then roof strapping.

Start  
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 31, 2015, 03:43:30 PM
An amazing amount of work done.
I apologize if my previous post seemed offensive or belittling, was meant more as cheerleading, did not realize how much was planned.  ???
Again, I'd hire you guys in an instant if needed.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on May 31, 2015, 07:05:45 PM
Paul, I was a little short. I guess the easy part was the crane lifting the trusses into place. I hoped after I said it we didn't lose a member.  I guess we didn't!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 31, 2015, 09:08:42 PM
I wish it was easy as everyone said. I did a lot of climbing yesterday, and paid for it when I sprang fell out of bed this morning. Took some moving to get loosened up. But well worth it. And again, the pictures do not do this building justice. It is huge.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 31, 2015, 09:11:21 PM
Fred and crew...just reviewed the great wealth of construction pics.
Outstanding plus!
Nope, won't quit the WW&F Fan Club. Youze guys are too classy an outfit!
If I ever get East again, I'll definitely drop by.

BTW,  while summer-working once as a C&TS Friend, since  a hardhat once  saved me  from a serious head smash by a carelessly tossed metal seat base out of an old rider car we were gutting, I am a DIEHARD hh fan.
If I donated some to WW&F, would you guys wear 'em?
Boy, would you all look miiiiighty official on Work Weekends, other projects, help raise public awareness, not to mention hopefully saving clonked noggins.  ;)
At 2926's rebuild, my job was to put names and reflective tape on their yellow 'hats per BNSF suggestion; see their website.  
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on May 31, 2015, 09:17:00 PM
 Brendan, thanks for all the pictures, Stewart, your written review of all the work, and Fred, the information on additional work to complete the Car Barn. Thanks to all the volunteers on the truss crew for a task completed safely. I hope the BOD would look at adding insulation under the metal roof, cost for the material and possible longer metal screws.  Again thanks  
  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on May 31, 2015, 11:02:51 PM
No plans to insulate the car barn, this is strictly rain/snow/ice protection and not a heated building.  There'll be space for air flow around the whole structure.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on May 31, 2015, 11:58:57 PM
 James, Thanks for the information about the air flow and no heat.   Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 03, 2015, 03:00:18 AM
Glad to see the trusses "topped out" properly.
Having been there and done that (without getting a T-shirt)THANKS

Is there plans to make some of the "rat run" area cold storage?
Looks to be about 16' X 100' of usable space. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Andre Anderson on June 03, 2015, 04:41:10 AM
Carl,

I would be very hesitant to use it for storage as the trusses were not designed for that, if the engineer did not know that you wanted storage there he would not have added the weight capacity for that. Using it for storage is a slippery slope, you put one thing up there and then two or three more items and soon you have exceeded the capacity of the trusses, you get a good snow storm and the next thing you know the roof caves in on the rolling stock.

Andre
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 03, 2015, 09:56:09 AM
As the roof goes up we plan to put in transparent panels for light.  So I'm hopeful that once the bracing all gets in, we can take out the plywood.  With the plywood there the center will be very dark, which defeats the purpose of the transparent panels.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 03, 2015, 11:17:37 AM
Plywood is permanent for stability.  It will only block light from the upper portion of the middle track.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 03, 2015, 02:16:39 PM
Mike

Isn't plywood rather expensive just for stabilizers?

Will there be artificial light in the building at all? Power points?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 03, 2015, 02:19:16 PM
By the way make sure the screens on the side keep out birds
Just sayin'
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 03, 2015, 02:26:33 PM
There is a paste that comes in caulk tubes that keeps birds from roosting
but I don't know how often it needs renewing.
There is also spiky tinsel that does the same thing.

Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 03, 2015, 02:54:49 PM
The plywood was donated and will remain in place.  As to screens, there are plans to have top and bottom screening to keep critters out.  There's also a plan to run pipes for power (for lights) and cables for adding the shed to the campus alarm system.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 04, 2015, 12:22:04 AM
The price (of the plywood) in no way diminishes  its value.
But then it is in a good storage place until it is needed.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 09, 2015, 10:18:24 PM
Had an opportunity for a quick aerial shot.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/Mobile%20Uploads/image_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on June 10, 2015, 05:52:59 AM
Gosh that's impressive.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 10, 2015, 05:04:45 PM
Getting the complete roof on will be a major step.
Walls optional. ;D
Exactly what type metal roofing will go on?
Is shelter trackwork top priority, or mainline work north of TOM?
WSH looks like a nice, quick project.

Best wishes,  Annie and Steve.  :)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 10, 2015, 05:29:46 PM
Roof will be metal - similar to old-style construction - but a few transparent panels for skylights.
Walls will be board & batten to match everything else.
Track should be installed during 2015 Fall Work Weekend? At least one track just needs to be extended in - maybe we will wait on the 3-way stub for the center and west tracks (+ "woods" track.)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on June 10, 2015, 05:55:41 PM
The parts for the 3-way switch frogs will probably ship to Sheepscot next week from Baltimore; hopefully the pieces can be finished up and assembled into frogs in time for the fall work weekend.  But, yes, one track could be extended into the car barn as soon as it does not interfere with the building work itself.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on June 10, 2015, 09:42:18 PM
I would suggest that we put ALL our FWW efforts into completing the car barn and getting the track inside so that all our equipment can be out of the weather before winter.  I know there are many who come to lay mainline track as their primary motivation, but lets just put it aside for this one year and finish stuff at home-base.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 10, 2015, 11:32:24 PM
Actually, no further than the main line can be extended, both can be done. Big crew North, building mainline Friday/Saturday, small crew assembling the 3-way and getting into position. Then Sunday/Monday can be spent laying track in Sheepscot. Very achievable.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on June 10, 2015, 11:34:17 PM
The 3 way will be assembled in September. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 11, 2015, 10:55:39 PM
I compare the car shelter with a similar-sized one the C&TS Friends recently finished.
Theirs is basically an open-wall "pole barn", used old utility poles as columns supporting similar-design, welded steel roof trusses/corrugated roofing.
They then added one long, steel-panel wall for wind protection.
Heavy snow is not a big prob there in the San Luis Valley of southern Colorado.
 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 11, 2015, 11:59:49 PM
Yes, we watched the progress of the Friends shelter on their web site.  Very nice building.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on June 12, 2015, 12:44:25 AM
Yes, the WW&F carbarn and the Friends of the C&TS carbarn in Antonito are very similar designs, though ours is a bit more substantially built. Sizewise, I think the C&TS carbarn may be a bit bigger, but 3ft-gauge rolling stock is bigger than 2ft-gauge so the overall capacity should be about the same, with 3 tracks of about 4 car lengths each.

-Philip Marshall
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bruce Mohn on June 12, 2015, 10:32:06 AM
Saw the note about repelling birds.  I was a groundskeeper for several years in a community with a huge starling problem.  We tried the bird repellent that comes in a caulking tube.  I think it was supposed to act by making the perch hard to grip or was irritating to birds' feet.  In practice it didn't work and the stuff melted and ran.  We also tried constructing hedgehogs of spiky metal wire to dissuade them from nesting.  We had several birds seek out those sites to build nests as the wires gripped the nesting material.

Sorry, I don't have any recommendations.  My only thought would be to make the upper sections of rafters angled by adding metal sheeting and yeah, I know that would be a huge labor and cost.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 12, 2015, 03:55:45 PM
My bro and I built a small horse barn on our property here in Abq years ago, kept wall openings on the hay room side to prevent spontaneous combustion, used good old chicken wire to keep out critters.
Not up to Architectural Digest standards, but worked fine.  ;D
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 19, 2015, 09:38:18 PM
There was a big crew working on the car barn today. Most of the wall to truss bracing has been installed in the building allowing the temporary braces holding the walls plumb to be removed. I believe the temporary braces still at the open end of the building will be removed after the door openings are framed in.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0650.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0652.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on June 23, 2015, 01:57:46 AM
I've forgotten. How long is the car barn?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 23, 2015, 09:40:56 AM
Steve,

It's 110'
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on July 07, 2015, 04:41:00 PM
Folks,
         i just found this part of the web site.

What a great job all of you folks are doing there. Thank you to all the photographers and builders!!
That building will be functional and a pleasure to look at!

It sure is built to last; as apposed to a simple pole structure. Those roof trusses are amazing! They don't call Maine the Pine Trees State for nothing!

I will repeat something I said on another part of the discussion. As soon as the cars start going in sometime in the Fall; people should be able to give car barn tours. The public loves to go on tours. I have been giving them at the Western Railway Museum since 2002 and all you need if a few facts and figures on the cars.

Again great work everybody!

Ted Miles, WW&F Life Member
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 24, 2015, 10:47:27 PM
All the strapping for the metal roof is on the west side of the barn and steady progress is being made on the east side. Barn board was ordered two weeks ago from the sawmill for the siding material and should be onsite at the beginning of September to close the barn in.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0901.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on July 25, 2015, 02:44:41 AM
 Brendan, The total amount of lumber in board feet used in the building of the Car Barn ?  Just think only 10 mouths ago was the start date of such a fine structure.  The work has progress well, over coming rain, snow, and ice was sometimes a matter of just waiting for better weather. Again thanks on the updates and to all the volunteers working on the Car Barn.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on July 25, 2015, 03:47:32 AM
Is there an updated spot where there is a map of the WW&F campus?
I kinda remember one awhile back but lost its location.

You know where buildings are situated, where the TT & Roundhouse will be and the connecting
track. Somehow the descriptions on the photos don't jibe with the way I remember the layout
when I was there.

Granted it was (Holy Cow) 8 years ago.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on July 25, 2015, 04:37:23 AM
Hi Carl,

In the absence of a map, take a look at the satellite view of the property on Google Maps. The image appears to be from the fall of 2014, so it's recent enough to be useful.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alna,+ME/@44.0610152,-69.6243557,127m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4caded7b33a79bb9:0xc7478cd6aed0e353 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alna,+ME/@44.0610152,-69.6243557,127m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4caded7b33a79bb9:0xc7478cd6aed0e353)

The two structures at the northeast corner of the parking lot behind Percival house are the garage and the restroom building. The carbarn now occupies the empty space just to the east of and behind these two.

The roundhouse is going to go right between the shop and Percival house, with the turntable facing the road. In fact you can see the roundhouse lead track already in place in the satellite view, so just follow it down past the carbarn site and it will take you to the right spot, next to the northwest corner of the shop

I hope this helps,

Philip
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on July 26, 2015, 02:39:05 AM
Carl, back in Oct. 2009 I downloaded a pdf file that Ed Lecuyer had posted, just where on the Forum I don't recall. But it was Pages 3 and 4 of what I think was the WW&F 5-year plan as of that time. The title on Pages 3 & 4 was "Project Site Map:Multi-Phase/Multi-Year Plan.

The lefthand page, page 3, had a map showing the locations of all the planned (as of then) buildings & the turntable. I think the map may have been one that Frank Knight drew. The map didn't show the garage for the tractors, I presume because that hadn't been planned yet. Nor of course the Whitefield Section House.

The trouble with my file is that the drawing is super tiny. I wonder whether Ed might be able to post that map again, in a size that wouldn't cause terminal eye strain.

Ed, are you reading, I hope?

Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on July 26, 2015, 02:52:25 PM
Carl, To see that map, you can try this link to the pdf file containing the pertinent section of the WW&F Long Range Plan:

 http://www.wwfry.org/projects/WWF_Site_Plan_Phase1.pdf

Then go to page 3.

To get there I had to install free version 11.0.10 of Adobe Reader on my Mac
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on July 28, 2015, 03:19:11 AM
Steve S

Thanks
For some reason I pictured the Car Barn as running the long way more East West.
And the Turn Table further north

I just upgraded to Snow Leopard so it opened OK

Phil
Your link did not work for me
and when I Googled and Binged it seemed to be older Sat. Shots.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 28, 2015, 08:55:24 PM
As requested, here is a current campus map showing the planned improvements:

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/SheepscotCampus.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mark Spremulli on July 28, 2015, 09:56:55 PM
Could someone please refresh my memory, What is/will the woods track be used for?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 28, 2015, 10:21:30 PM
Could someone please refresh my memory, What is/will the woods track be used for?
Most likely access to storage for rail and other track material, and quite possibly a loading track.

I would like to point out that Prebles will no longer be a station, it will become a substation  ;D
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 28, 2015, 11:33:21 PM
Mark,

I would like to see the woods track used for material storage. Possibly having the southern end of it filled with gravel so a truckload of rail could be unloaded to a rail pile. Then, when needed, a flat car could be loaded from the same pile. It would save some time unloading the trucks. Other items, like switch stands and bridge timbers and such, could be stored there too. And Joint bars. We have a bunch of joint bars that could be sorted and stored there. Too much stuff scattered around, making some places look cluttered. Out of sight, out of mind.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 29, 2015, 12:42:01 AM
I would like to point out that Prebles will no longer be a station, it will become a substation  ;D

Don't worry about the name just yet, I was on the Case before we bought it. ;D

I see a disturbing trend here. James and Mike are joining the [rank] ranks of Fred, Marcel, Ed, and John Stone as punsters.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on July 29, 2015, 12:48:05 AM
Man, what a great map! It even shows Barry Lane. Thank you, Ed!

Maybe it would be good to show on our website?

John, you forgot to include the great punster from Colorado!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 29, 2015, 12:49:06 AM
Using the Woods track for material storage may not be such a great idea. It was my impression it was to be a location to put such items as spare trucks, push cars, etc. Storing rail there would require some clearing and grading, wouldn't it? And as for storing bars in that area, I would want a fenced area. Bars are too easy for nefarious characters to steal, especially if they are adjacent to the parking lot. We don't want to make larceny at the museum easy!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on July 29, 2015, 01:27:09 AM
I represent the punny people and I feel short circuited. I know that's shocking, John.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on July 29, 2015, 02:38:12 AM
Thanks Ed - the map now resides on my desk top - eventually it will lead my WW&F pictures
I do admire a good punster - like poets they see words in a different light
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on July 29, 2015, 03:17:19 AM
Rather than "woods track", maybe "team track" is a better choice.  We could have a loading dock that could be used both for materials handling.and loading our heavy equipment.  I seem to remember a fork lift.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on July 29, 2015, 05:32:13 AM
Could someone please refresh my memory, What is/will the woods track be used for?

For storing WOODS, of course!  ;D
(Sorry,... I'll be quiet now.  :P )
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on July 29, 2015, 05:42:14 AM
Rather than "woods track", maybe "team track" is a better choice.  We could have a loading dock that could be used both for materials handling.and loading our heavy equipment.  I seem to remeber a fork lift.
(Ok, I lied, so sue me)
I was thinking something similar just now while reading (the more serious posts) this thread.
I've seen a few examples (some of which remain extant) of ramps/platforms with any variety of pedistal/jib or small boom cranes mounted thereon. Perhaps such an arrangement (scaled properly for 2' cars) should be considered? If not for the Woods track, perhaps another location on the campus?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 29, 2015, 09:49:14 AM
Wayne, I kind of thought that the trucks may fit in the new building. And as far as access to things like Joint bars, I think getting them closer to where someone may see them will prevent them from walking. Where they are now is not exactly a safe location either.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 29, 2015, 10:40:16 AM
Lawbreakers are lazy by nature. They won't have the ambition or energy to lug joint bars a quarter mile to the nearest road, but if they are next to a parking lot it's another story!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 29, 2015, 10:43:46 AM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on July 29, 2015, 12:44:39 PM
Perhaps a small, lockable storage building for the joint bars built on a platform with a jib crane....  :D
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 29, 2015, 01:34:05 PM
I think a small (22') shipping container would be best for track parts storage.  Dry, lockable, and solid floor where you could palletize a lot of stuff such as joint bars and buckets for bolts and spikes.  A larger container would also handle hand tools, jacks,  etc.  the best part is that they're portable so no structures have to be built.  I could see a small one off to the side of the woods track with another at either Alna Center or end of track to support further construction.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 29, 2015, 03:10:53 PM
We could build it to look like an old boxcar...
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 29, 2015, 06:37:46 PM
Mike,

I don't think we need to build anything, some of our more "artistic" painters could do a paint scheme to make it look like a detrucked boxcar or MOW car.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 29, 2015, 06:42:04 PM
For some reason, "container" seems to be a dirty word in Sheepscot. I've advocated for one for several years now, receiving stony silence in return. And I'd hate for the new section house to be cluttered up with track materials. It's supposed to house tools and the handcars.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 29, 2015, 07:45:38 PM
My recent sentiments exactly. Containers...20', 40', are rugged and very lockable, with the padlock area enclosed in a  hand-sized steel theft guard, no way to cut or hacksaw a lock. 8)
2926 has a half-dozen, used for storage, tools, machine shop work.
How about a trailer/lowboy 'transfer dock' at the end of the woods track, as have the Silverton Northern, C&TS? Was this not the original track purpose?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 29, 2015, 08:02:35 PM
An excellent map, but can only print its left half. ?
Figured out how to change sizing, center the subject.
Never mind.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 30, 2015, 01:58:12 AM
Car barn 7/28/15 picture taken from the machine shop door.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0749_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 30, 2015, 02:45:22 PM
As far as I know, the container idea was presented to the board for approval. The board took it into consideration, but was assured with the new building we would be gaining space for storage. So for now, that idea was turned down.  But it is not a dead issue yet.  We really need to catch up with the storage, getting our precious items under cover. After these two buildings are finished, we will have a better idea how things will fit.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 30, 2015, 04:42:14 PM
I'll try to make the case once again. At least in my opinion, a container would help reduce the clutter that seems to exist in every building we currently have. The car house should be utilized to house rolling stock. The shop should be used for restoration and construction of new rolling stock. Track tools and the handcars and other small rolling equipment should go in the Whitefield section house. The other stuff that we have accumulated, such as shop equipment we have no current use for, seasonal equipment like the propane heaters, items salvaged from the shingle mill currently in the garage, the spare Brookville engine and transmission, extra chain hoists, Halloween items currently upstairs, etc. etc. would best be stored out of sight and out of mind in a container. As long as a list was prepared of items stored therein, we'd know what we have. I can't make it any clearer than that!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 30, 2015, 04:51:16 PM
An excellent map, but can only print its left half?

The map is not optimized for printing. For that you would need to use an image editor to adjust the resolution, etc.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 31, 2015, 01:37:57 AM
Thanks, Ed. On my Windows 7 Print Preview I discovered using  the Shrink To Fit feature, reducing the subject just enough until all of it  was included.
What'll they think of next?  ;D
 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on July 31, 2015, 02:15:20 AM
I favor Wayne's container proposal. When I inspect journal boxes on the cars in the shop, all the junk in the way is a pain in the you-know-whatsis.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 21, 2015, 07:25:12 PM
Today about 40' of roofing went on the east side.  It's a LOT of work lifting, setting and fastening the tin and clear panels. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 23, 2015, 11:19:25 PM
Roof progress pictures as of Saturday.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0072.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0075_1.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0077.jpg)

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on August 23, 2015, 11:54:50 PM
Lookin' good.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on August 24, 2015, 02:10:45 AM
  Brendan, Thanks for the great pictures of the car barn roof, many a screw which takes a great deal of time to install.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 24, 2015, 04:46:05 AM
Wow!
Very nice, especially those sporty-looking skylight strips.

Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on August 25, 2015, 06:53:04 PM
Those clear sections are sealed up nice and tight with proprietary goose grease in a tube. Apparently Fred M. has a source for this hard to find commodity.
I'm ready to do another 60' next Saturday!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 26, 2015, 02:10:56 AM
Looks like you Roof Rats got it down. Very nice work.  :)
Is the plan to finish roofing, then put up siding, subgrade, lay ballast, hang doors and run track to and inside, ASAP?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 26, 2015, 10:00:44 AM
Paul, the upcoming Annual Fund Drive request (mailing on or about August 31) will include funding for doors and siding for the car barn, as well as track material for the tracks inside and out.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on August 26, 2015, 01:21:01 PM
It has occurred to me that it would be very nice to have finer crushed stone in the carbarn up to the top of the railhead so that we could have a large indoor space for events at times. This would give us a safe, comfortable walking surface and would be useful for many purposes.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 26, 2015, 04:38:09 PM
James...look for my check.
Steve...a practical idea.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 29, 2015, 09:39:32 PM
Roof progress down the west side.

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Concrete form for the east door footing being back filled.

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Filled with concrete.

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West door footing being poured.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 03, 2015, 03:42:31 AM
Forms for the door post footings were stripped this week.

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Grading is being done on the west side of the car barn. The grade has been cut down about 2 feet on average to keep the water from draining into the building. After the staging comes down the area under the staging will be cut down.

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The Kubota on the stock pile of material that's been removed.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on September 03, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
Was the formwork removed below grade as well?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 03, 2015, 12:06:45 PM
The tapered part of the forms were left in place.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on September 03, 2015, 12:20:16 PM
Okay, just curious.  Thanks for the progress updates!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Looks like we have a bunch of fill material for the first washout at TOM.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 04, 2015, 02:04:38 AM
Anything in the works toward getting roll bars on the Kubota?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 04, 2015, 03:23:27 AM
Impressive dirtwork, apparently done without grade staking or level and rod.
Looks great, Mike.
Little Case the Ace is a jewel.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 04, 2015, 10:42:52 AM
I had nothing to do with the piles this time. That is Brendans project. He and I have talked and the fill generated by this clearing will be used in the area of the soon to be built 3-way to make sure there is room enough.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 11, 2015, 07:40:04 PM
Today, the intrepid carpentery crew set the east door posts. The job was a bit tougher due to the mud where the roof tin has not been finished.  The rest of the building is fairly dry after this mornings rain.  Zack hopes to install the 6X6" door headers and more roof tin tomorrow before we all get busy with the afternoon Mass Bay RRE charter.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 16, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
Pictures of the north wall framing progress over the last two weeks.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 18, 2015, 05:16:52 PM
A busy scene.
Great pics. Thanks.
Heavy door verticals, purlins and knee braces look like they'll do the job stiffening that end of the barn.
Questions...
<It appears the tracks/approach grade will run downslope to the building. Any thought to installing, say, a full-width "cattle guard" drop inlet just outside the doors, draining to both coming bypass side ditches?
<It looks like the coming doors will not cover the knee braces, will have a missing-corner, custom-look fit similar to the those on the shops building.
   Nice.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 19, 2015, 11:21:56 PM
More west side roof went up today and more staging came down.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 20, 2015, 10:57:42 AM
Forgot to mention. I played around with Brendans new Lazer Level. I set it on where I though was the high spot, which was the center bay, 45 feet in from the doors. I went around with the sensor, and every door was an inch lower, as well as the sides and the entire south end. There are a couple of spots where the water is standing in the pics that is about a half inch low. But not bad for doing it by eye and feel. More staging was removed yesterday, and a plan was formed for ditching and shedding the water away from the building.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 20, 2015, 01:58:23 PM
Wow, the only thing constant is change.
I can't wait to see the progress in a few short weeks.
Great going one and all.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 20, 2015, 07:52:41 PM
 Mike, Looking forward to pictures of the water drainage solution and thanks for the update on the floor level.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 20, 2015, 09:44:28 PM
Work done today - Sunday, Sept. 20th

* The carpentry crew removed more staging on the east side, clearing the way for earth work and sheathing installation.  Some of the old 2X6 railing boards and 1X2 brace strapping was re-used.  (see below)

* Percival garden shed: The shed was moved over to sit along side the woods track grade yesterday (see James report and Brendan's photos for more info)  Inspection of the building revealed much rot along the back side of the roof structure and the roofing is in bad shape.  Some of the old staging 2X6 boards were used to rebuild the roof edge framing and the 1X2 strapping was applied as a shadow board.  Not only does the work repair the roof framing but the edge will be out a bit further, better protecting the back and sides of the shed.  Flashing (left over from the WSH project) will be installed tomorrow and new rolled roofing will be laid by the end of the week.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 20, 2015, 10:39:56 PM
Great work. Yes, eyeballing grade work to +- one inch is pretty dang close!  ;D
With FWW 19 days away, looks like the heat's on to get the car barn done, ready for track.  :D
Go for it.
Can't wait to see 9's "new" complete cab.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2015, 03:34:40 PM
Car barn work tomorrow will include grading the ditches where I can, installing a culvert, and plotting out the tractor shed.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 25, 2015, 04:00:32 PM
Mike...what and where will be the tractor shed?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 25, 2015, 07:02:40 PM
A tractor shed? You're kidding me! What is needed is some sort of shed to store all the stuff cluttering up the shop and the garage. More and more keeps showing up!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 25, 2015, 07:36:23 PM
Popular or not, best thing is to lease/buy a 20' container, a 40-footer for more, secure storage.
Paint it green, hide it back in the pines by the woods track.
Next.  ;)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 25, 2015, 08:12:17 PM
Today the rest of the roof trim was put on. Only 30 ft. of roof to put on, hope we can get some of it done Sat.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 25, 2015, 09:45:33 PM
 Fred, It was great to hear about the roof trim being finished. I know the local volunteers will come out help if they can.  Hoping for good weather and enough helpers to finish the roof. Looking forward to next roof report. Thanks, Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2015, 10:40:20 PM
The tractor shed is going to be to stabilize the west wall of the car barn. It started out as a storage area, and then we got the dozer. So now it will keep the dozer dry. Plus storage.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 27, 2015, 05:32:56 PM
Mike, It is great to hear about the tractor shed and storage area being added to the west side of the car barn. The BOD idea of one area for both the dozer and storage solved several pressing needs. Great news that work on the car barn roof is finished on the east side.    Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 28, 2015, 11:38:57 PM
Part of car barn siding order was cut at Copeland Lumber's sawmill today with the rest to follow tomorrow. The siding will be up at the railroad next week in time for the work weekend.


Loading up the log deck.

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Log deck inside the mill.

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Carriage and saw blade.

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Log going through the mill.

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1,000 board foot lift of our lumber coming out of the mill on the green chain.  The lifted is then banded and picked off the green chain with the loader.

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Half of our order of siding material. Each one of those lifts contains a thousand board foot of lumber and weighs about three thousand pounds.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 29, 2015, 12:42:28 AM
Great set of pictures, Brendan. Thank you!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 29, 2015, 03:48:17 AM
Amazing...siding while you wait!  ;D
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on September 29, 2015, 05:24:01 AM
I don't suppose the RR ever did it - but has there been any thought of building a shed with bark on
boards? Down in CT many years ago I saw more than a couple of sheds where the logs were not squared.
The logs were just cut one way - and applied bark side in and bark side out, alternating.(vertical)
These may have been scabs off a larger timber - but they seemed to be 8 - 12 inches wide.
And memory may not be serving me well for it was 65+/- years ago. 

Just to show how it was done when money was very short.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on September 29, 2015, 10:15:52 AM
That is too cool, Brendan! Thanks for the great pictures, too!
SH
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 29, 2015, 10:42:09 AM
Good pictures B.  Dean has a nice mill.

Carl, 

As you said, the buildings you saw in CT were depression era / WWII structures made from scrap.  The WW&F had one building made of rough / bark boards built by the railroad's last owner, Frank Winter.  He set up a saw mill in the Wiscasset upper yard to work lumber from logs brought down from the Palermo area.  There are no known photos of the inside of the mill but a number of 1930's images show the mill on the west side of the mainline. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on September 29, 2015, 12:50:42 PM
Nice photos, Brendan.  And thanks to Dean for cutting the boards for us.  I assume Yeti will be doing the hauling north to Sheescot?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 29, 2015, 01:56:22 PM
I had an alert on my phone this morning, warning of potential flash flooding in Lincoln County, which Alna is part of. First I thought, "great, here comes the mud". Now I am thinking it will be a great test for what ditches I have so far around the car barn. My only regret is I did not get the culvert in I wanted, or the perforated pipe north of the doors. That has to get done this weekend, or I will be working under the tracks...
I have ditched the west side up to the staging sloping it to where the culvert will go, with intentions of installing it last weekend. But decided to get the East ditch done as much as possible. Now it looks like I may be working in the rain this weekend. That is ok. Removes all doubt about where the water runs...
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 29, 2015, 02:49:43 PM
That's some nice looking wood.  What species is it or is it a mix?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 29, 2015, 03:03:13 PM
Mike...the dozer and you are so essential to getting the car barn done with proper drainage sitework.
Rain be damned, well done.  ;)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 29, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
John, white pine is what they are sawing.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 29, 2015, 04:17:14 PM
White Pine eh!  A shame that I'm down in PA.  I've got a whole stand of white pine to take down but no way to get it to Maine.  Probably 2500-3000 board feet by my conservative estimate.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 29, 2015, 09:14:47 PM
Offhand, I know the perfect place to store those siding 'lifts' out of the rain!  ;)
Hope the coming storms mostly bypass the WW&F.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 29, 2015, 10:30:00 PM
Hope the coming storms mostly bypass the WW&F.

Actually Maine really needs the rain.  It's been pretty dry all summer long - great tourist weather, not so much for farms.  I think we were on the edge of a drought, but not after tomorrow.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 30, 2015, 03:38:16 PM
Currently (Wednesday 9/30 12:35 EDT) weather radar shows heavy rain yellow from Freeport to north of Augusta, moving NE, with no other precip to the SW, will be cloudy but dry until next Monday and Wednesday.
Hopefully.
And Hurricane Joaquin, still near the Bahamas, may curve NE off the New England coast.
Let's hope.
My wx story, and I'm stickin' to it.  ;)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 30, 2015, 07:25:30 PM
Alna has gotten about 5" of rain since 4:00am this morning.  Not sure how the mainline is but the lower yard isn't too bad.  Upper yard is very muddy and there's a pond on the west side of the car shed that goes about half way inside.  Ditch/culvert work will fix this.  The older ditch along the east side of the roundhouse spur is doing well but there's lots of pooled water along the east side of the car shed, again ditch work will cure this. 

Roads:

Rt. 218 northbound has a washed out shoulder up by the Head Tide church.

Rt. 194 northbound has 6" of standing water just south of the town bridge.

The Cross Road has 4" of rushing water crossing both lanes just west of the power lines.

Rain is letting up as of 4:00pm so things should calm down overnight. 
The good news - the new roof on Harry's garden shed kept the building nice and dry inside!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 30, 2015, 07:41:20 PM
Here's hoping the almost-done car barn roof is just as tight, that Mike's coming ditches will drain away and handle any more water.
Again...per SNL's  Roseann Roseanna Danna-"If it ain't one thing, it's another!"
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 30, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
The ditch on the east side of the car barn will be finished as soon as I can determine the exact location of the coal bin. And also did not want to ditch where the stone will be dumped just yet. Dump trucks and ditches do not always get along. The ditch will run from the southeast corner of the car barn under the roundhouse lead track to the ditch by track 7. The west side ditching problem will be solved, as Stewart said, by installing a culvert to carry the water under the woods track. Also, some drainage pipe will be installed under where all 3 tracks will enter the car barn.

The woods track is the dividing point as to which way the water flows. Currently, everything from the woods track grade east drains to the culvert that goes under the bay 3 switch and under the yard. I am making what I can go north of the Sheepscot tool shed. Lack of trees is going to contribute to the mudding and ponding, which is why I want the trees around the woods track.

I am hoping the backhoe attachment for the tractor is up to the task of digging, because that is all we have for now.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 30, 2015, 11:33:58 PM
Mike is the plan to remove the backhoe from the Mitsubishi tractor to the John Deere ?  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 30, 2015, 11:36:17 PM
The Mitsubishi lost the backhoe almost the day it arrived.  For a while it was on the John Deere but was removed about a year ago. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 30, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
We took the backhoe off the itty bitty when it arrived, because the mitsubishi was not big enough. It was installed on the John Deere, but with us having the excavator, it was not used. So it was removed and the grader blade installed.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 01, 2015, 04:07:28 AM
Storm timing couldn't have been worse. Good luck in cleaning up what damage occurred.
Update--looks like rain damage looks minimal, thank goodness.
I would hope the remaining car barn roof work will be done this Saturday, west wall staging removed so Mike can get on with ditching and culvert work, WWF prep work done.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 03, 2015, 11:02:25 PM
Car barn west roof is done, plus Mike's grading:
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I decided to put down a ceremonial first tie, right by the door.  There was a piece of heavy rail nearby, so I stuck that on top of it:
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I make no claims about the correctness of its location.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 05, 2015, 09:22:49 PM
Today, the carpenters installed most of the purlins in the south gable.  Since it's fund drive time I'll point out that the crew is rather frugal.  Most of the 2X4's are from the old staging and all the screws used to set the purlins and backers in place are ones that had been removed from the staging.  Fred and his demolition relocation crew kept all the screws in a sub sandwich container from the Alna Store.  The system worked well today although the crew started thinking about lunch at 9:30 am.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 05, 2015, 09:46:42 PM
It would be nice if the Bobcat we had at the Spring Work Weekend was available this fall to transport ballast and other materials into the new carbarn, at least until the last track goes in.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 05, 2015, 10:54:54 PM
The bobcat is not available. We'll just use Fred's tractor.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 06, 2015, 04:52:22 AM
I'm hoping all the floor 'greenery' will be grubbed out before ballast goes down. Don't need squishy sub-grade, weeds growing in there.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on October 07, 2015, 04:53:45 AM
"Start"
"As you said, the buildings you saw in CT were depression era / WWII structures made from scrap."

Just reading Sloane's Age of Barns - reminded me many hinges made of leather.
Don't guess there are many scrap harness parts around ant more - leather hinge probably worth more
than an iron one today.

Would be interesting to see a shed (out house) like that near the Saw Mill.

It has been wet enough here that we have very little Fall Colors - mostly leaves are just falling off.
Title: Car Barn Tracks--Riveting Switch Frogs on 10/7
Post by: Steve Smith on October 07, 2015, 10:25:11 PM
Here Jason and crew were working on the setup before actual riveting began.

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Jonathan has a bunch of rivets toasty warm.

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Quite a toggle linkage. No less than seven pin joints.

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Jonathan feeds a rivet from below. Jason has tongs ready to grasp it.

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He’s got it!

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Frantic jockeying by crew to position the rivet on the die.

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All done. (Sorry…..this camera man missed the actual squeeze.)

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 07, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
Actually the rivet wasn't all done in that last picture. Needed to be peened--I guess that's the proper term--to be flatter like the others already done. I believe that was accomplished shortly after my camera battery quit.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 08, 2015, 09:54:43 AM
Nice to see the riveter in action
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 13, 2015, 10:47:17 PM
Car barn siding loaded up at the sawmill last Thursday along with 3 switch stands we were allowed to salvage from an old industrial property in Massachusetts.

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Sitting in traffic on the Zakim bridge in Boston.

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Car barn progress as of 10/13/14.

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Car barn siding stacked in the yard,

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 14, 2015, 05:01:06 AM
 Brendan, again thanks for safe and just in time delivery of the car barn siding. The pictures are just great, and to see the siding up on the car barn in a matter of days shows the great effort of all our volunteers. Nice to see the effort in stacking the balance of the lumber, will help the drying progress and allow the material to remain stable. Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 16, 2015, 07:17:48 PM
Brendan...Thanks for the detailed photo story of the car shop track and siding work, which continued through substantial rain. Hope your camera didn't blow up.  :D
Also the section house--looks fantastic, can I move in?  ;D
However, its roof looks unfinished. Thought it was.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on October 21, 2015, 02:11:20 PM
Maybe the light passing through the skylights makes it look unfinished.
 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 21, 2015, 02:38:06 PM
I think Bill Sample is asking about the roof for the Whitefield Section House...

Will it have shingles or cedar shakes for the roof?

Dave Crow

PS.  Save three 12-foot pieces of 33# rail so we can machine the switch points; I have three down here in Baltimore already.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on October 21, 2015, 05:26:15 PM
Hey Dave,

It won't have shakes nor shingles. Original images of the building show a roof of rolled roofing which had the seams tarred. This is what the replica has. It has already been installed.

Bill is referring to the clear panes which were alternated between the opaque roofing panels.

Steve
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 21, 2015, 10:44:46 PM
Car barn as of 10/21/15.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 21, 2015, 10:47:45 PM
Hey, wait a second! When did No. 65 come back from Wiscasset?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 22, 2015, 12:13:13 AM
This afternoon.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 22, 2015, 12:15:59 AM
I presume there will be shuffling around of equipment before winter comes. I understood that track one was for the passenger train.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 22, 2015, 12:18:19 AM
Yes, the freight cars are on track 1 temporarily. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 22, 2015, 12:23:42 AM
As soon as we get guard rails in we'll rearrange.  We know where we want everything- just want to able to use the north yard without having to inch through every switch.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 01, 2015, 12:35:02 AM
Battens starting to go up on the south wall.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on November 02, 2015, 12:30:03 AM
That is looking really GOOD!!!!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on November 02, 2015, 02:20:35 AM
 Brendan, The battens look really great adding the finishing touch to the walls. What type of material is the drip cap between the upper and lower level of the wood. The metal staging adds the ability to work at different levels at one time, plus set up is made much easier and faster. Thanks again for the update.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 03, 2015, 02:31:36 AM
Toldya the battens would class up da joint.  ;D
Will match the potty and garage buildings. 
Will the CB be the same, nice gray color?

The side walls, though lengthier, are totally the same height, should go pretty fast. 
Just moving staging will take half the time.
 
Is  the north gable end over the doorways sheathed?
If not, bet it will be sooooon.  ;)

Looks better every photo shoot.
 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 03, 2015, 10:56:42 AM
What type of material is the drip cap between the upper and lower level of the wood.

I believe it is tin or thin stainless steel.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on November 04, 2015, 02:16:42 AM
James, Thanks for the information about the drip cap.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 05, 2015, 01:04:10 AM
Car barn is now 2/3 rds full.

Bay 2

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Bay 1 and 2

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It was pointed out today this is the first time 103 has ever had indoor storage in the cars life.

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Four freight cars and the caboose out on the main. We get number 67 restored we will be up to five cars.

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Different angle from Jason.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 05, 2015, 01:26:29 AM
Thanks for posting the photos, Brendan. It does my heart good to see that equipment all under roof. Thanks to all who made up the switching crew. Well done!

What is the status of track 3?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on November 05, 2015, 01:40:19 AM
That is really gratifying to see!  How much clearance did you guys have on the cupola of the 320 when it went thru the door?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 05, 2015, 01:46:49 AM
Track 3 is only half spiked and the switch needs some work. The caboose has about two feet of clearance.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on November 05, 2015, 03:26:44 AM
I was going to mention that the Feb. 1977 Model Railroader had a construction article
on SS&RL caboose #551. But I see they only look similar not alike. ;)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on November 05, 2015, 03:47:35 AM
Fantastic! A very nice looking structure which should add years to the car maintenance cycle. I'm really looking forward to seeing it in person!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 05, 2015, 03:48:43 AM
Since we might want to use 320 during Victorian Christmas, it should be closer to the door than 309 and 65. Doing this rearrangement now rather than later would avoid having to do the rearranging with snow on the ground.  :)

-John
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 05, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
Car 65 gets truck work before 320 will be needed.  Cars were switched in order of maintenance schedules.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 05, 2015, 11:20:14 AM
Stewart speaks the truth... We also wanted 320's end platforms further away from the open north end of the building.  We tried to think it out carefully.

Jason
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 05, 2015, 02:35:46 PM
We tried to think it out carefully.

Jason
I should have know that was the case.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 05, 2015, 02:40:01 PM
I thought all interior trackwork would be leveled, surfaced, ballasted so that correct door heights could be set, doors built soon?
Also, parked cars now need to be pulled outside for finish-up work, at least one track at a time.
This Peanut Gallery fan would like to know.   ;)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on November 05, 2015, 05:23:40 PM
Not to get too far off the topic, but what truck work is planned for 65?  Going to swap the trucks with 67?  ;)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 05, 2015, 09:07:11 PM
Paul, my guess is the ballast, tamping will happen at the Spring Work Weekend, April 29-May 1, 2016.

dwight
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 05, 2015, 10:46:49 PM
Dave,

#65's trucks have gotten too compressed so the car sits lower than it should.  We need to pull the trucks, loosen or remove the arch bar bolts and re-line the truck frames.  When the frames are true, tighten the bolts and check everything.  Final test is putting the trucks back under the car and seeing how they handle the weight when the car sits and is tracking.

Jason can explain it better but that's the basic problem and repair.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 06, 2015, 06:41:22 PM
Dwight...appreciate the reply, which, IIRC was the plan, along with immediate, high-priority car storage , and a full plate of projects for the winter:  9 steamup, Kubota fix, TOM-north ROW, switch/track work, 67 rebuild, section house finish, etc.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 06, 2015, 09:15:10 PM
a crew will be busy for some time putting all the battens on the south end, than on the long East and West walls. Later there's the high North End above the doors that need the boards and battens.
dwight
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 06, 2015, 09:22:21 PM
Zack and Fred put more battens on the south end today.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 07, 2015, 10:36:47 PM
South end finished and side door installed.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on November 07, 2015, 11:40:57 PM
Very NICE!

Tom C.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 07, 2015, 11:58:18 PM
An overall of the north yard taken at dusk tonight, so pardon the fuzziness..

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on November 08, 2015, 08:42:53 PM
 Brendan, Great to see the south end finished along with the man door installed. Hope the snow will hold off so the carpenter crew can finish the north end gable before real winter arrives.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 09, 2015, 03:06:57 AM
Betcha the north gable end and big door frames trim are done very soon, with tarps enclosing the openings over the winter.

I keep seeing a puddle on the cb floor between 1 and 2 track.
Please say it's not a roof leak.  ???
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on November 09, 2015, 12:05:56 PM
Paul, it probably is light coming in from the sky lites.

Tom C.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 09, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Hi Paul, you are correct. We do have a low spot with some water.
dwight
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on November 09, 2015, 07:41:28 PM
There is ( was) a roof leak as I had placed a 5 gallon bucket under it to catch the water The leak was between track 1 and 2 and 1/3 of the way from the south wall..

On another note, the Koppel cars would be great for ballasting within the car barn. Just a suggestion. to save carrying buckets of ballast.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 15, 2015, 11:44:47 PM
Car barn as of 11/15/15.

The east side and back wall are finished. The carpentry crew is working their way down the west wall.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on November 17, 2015, 02:20:05 AM
Brendan - I see the tide has come in here again  :P

Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 17, 2015, 04:49:44 AM
Nice work. A handsome building.
Almost done.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 17, 2015, 12:12:57 PM
Now that the staging is down on the south end I can finish the ditch to get rid of that tide. Of course that will be after the dozer comes back south, hopefully before the ground freezes
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 17, 2015, 05:55:05 PM
A man...his machine...always in demand.  ;)
What will Case-y's new home be like? An open shelter?
 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 21, 2015, 09:09:42 PM
West wall done.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on November 22, 2015, 12:17:47 AM
Way to go guys!!  Now for some drainage!

Tom C.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 22, 2015, 12:57:34 AM
Dozer still North...atleast water stays out of the building. All dry inside
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on November 22, 2015, 01:58:02 AM
I figure that next will be the three doors and then finish the North End.  Will that happen before the New Year?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 22, 2015, 06:06:21 AM
Great work.
Where exactly will the dozer shed go on the west wall?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on November 22, 2015, 12:20:38 PM
I think the work will slow down now. The big push was to get the muddy side done. Next Sat. we'll put in purlins on the North end, then boards and battens. Also a door has to be made for the section house. Another thing that will slow us up is the Christmas trains, Christmas and New Year's. After that we can get going again.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 22, 2015, 01:27:18 PM
Paul,

The dozer shed will be a lean-to built in the center of the west wall.  It will be about 1/3 the length of the car shed. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 22, 2015, 06:38:18 PM
No big doors until after the track is at its final height.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on November 22, 2015, 06:51:09 PM
It would be easy to add about 10' of stone to either side of the openings to bring up the track. Then doors could be installed without doing the whole project.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 22, 2015, 09:12:56 PM
Zack's plan is to store for the winter a empty flat car, #118 or#126 in bay 2 of the shop. When the snow gets to deep and stops outdoor work, than the car barn's new doors will be built on top of the flat car. Bay 2 has the overhead cranes to move the large doors around as they are being built.
dwight
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 23, 2015, 12:27:33 AM
Good thinking...build each of the six door 'leafs' indoors on a flatcar, stand  them aside temporarily, re-load 'em,  then easily shunt car over to the cb north yard for door-hanging festivities.
Like Ira's idea--ballast/level cb tracks only at the entries now, then doors could be hung sooner.

Little girl playing in mud puddle is priceless.  
Very Norman Rockwell.  :D
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 30, 2015, 10:23:10 PM
Front wall progress.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 03, 2015, 10:32:17 PM
Outstanding!
A  l  m  o  s  t   finished.
Will cb be wired for lights?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 03, 2015, 11:21:48 PM
Beautiful!!  And I STILL like the idea of the old Kennebec Central rail being used here.  Sort of makes the whole idea come full circle, in a way.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 06, 2015, 01:32:27 AM
Car barn progress this weekend.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on December 06, 2015, 02:25:51 AM
Brendan, Thanks for the pictures of the progress on the north wall over the last several weeks. It is great to see the building totally in closed be for winter's snows. Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 06, 2015, 06:39:47 AM
What a weekend...9 snuck out on a steaming run, the car barn DONE, Case-y back home.
Wowees and applause from the Land of Enchantment!  ;D














Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 27, 2015, 05:08:54 AM
Some pictures of what the car barn and Whitefield section house accomplished. There is no equipment out doors this winter except for Ichabod which is stationed at the north end of the railroad for snowplow swapping duty. When was the last time you saw track seven empty.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 27, 2015, 04:28:33 PM
Thanks for the 'state of Sheepscot yards' pics.
Equipment indoors, two cabeese in the barn. Wow.
And the section house...also needs a door?
Any plans to paint the dark interior  of the depot platform shelter?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 31, 2015, 10:41:22 PM
Seeing No. 51 in the car barn got me to wondering...is it powerful enough to move rolling stock around, one car at a time?  I wondered how useful it could be in moving cars around on the different barn tracks.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on January 01, 2016, 02:27:28 AM
#51 will move one flat car loaded with stone ballast. The flat car has 12" planks along the ends and sides to that more stone may be loaded.  You need a brakeman to man the flat cars hand brake to stop the loaded car.  #51 will slide it's wheels without the flatcars brakes.
dwight
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 07, 2016, 09:41:36 PM
The lumber for the car barn doors arrived this week and Zack started building the first door Saturday.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 08, 2016, 02:04:21 AM
Zack,

I love your work bench.  How lucky are you to have such a great bench upon which to work.  I know there are lots of folks who are looking at those pictures and thinking the same thing.

Bill
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 10, 2016, 12:04:59 AM
Go Zack...great to see cb door builds underway. Yes, an appropriate workbench. God bless flatcars, always useful.
Will the doors be put up during SWW, along with final ballast work there?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 20, 2016, 11:56:29 PM
The first car barn door was hung today.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 23, 2016, 10:37:26 PM
Second door went up on bay 1 this afternoon. Zack is working on the doors for bay 2 now.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on February 23, 2016, 10:41:12 PM
That looks TERRIFIC!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 23, 2016, 11:26:20 PM
I'd say it looks adorable.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on February 23, 2016, 11:51:19 PM
It is simply an open and shut project.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on February 24, 2016, 02:27:02 AM
I suppose whether Ed sends this to WW&F will hinge on...oh never mind.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on February 24, 2016, 02:51:32 AM
Looks great! I think all the puns got used.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on February 24, 2016, 02:59:18 AM
Oh I think we can latch onto a few more.................
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 24, 2016, 02:14:41 PM
Absolutely, a few more doors to get us into the swing of things..
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 24, 2016, 04:56:07 PM
If youz guyz keep this up Ed will lock the thread.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 24, 2016, 05:35:13 PM
Would that be a hasp or barrel bolt?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on February 24, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Really?  I thought it was an "open door policy" on posting on the forum. lol.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on February 24, 2016, 07:38:54 PM
No, these are the "doors of perception." Do a Google search on that phrase to learn about connections to Aldous Huxley and Jim Morrison.
-John M
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 24, 2016, 10:24:52 PM
Doors look superb.
Just need to pry Track One west abouuuuut an inch to center rails in the door cutouts.

C&TS roundhouse uses short wooden bars shoved horizontally into  steel holders to secure their doors.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 24, 2016, 11:37:26 PM
Paul, we use the same method, usually a 2x6 about 5 feet long, with a shim shoved in between one side of it and the door to really secure the door from movement
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 25, 2016, 12:13:09 AM
Yup. Excellent.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 25, 2016, 01:17:02 AM
Randy made door brackets for all the doors today so a set can go on. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on February 25, 2016, 09:24:40 PM
Everything hinges on more puns.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 26, 2016, 12:11:08 AM
No direct puns needed, its just how you frame your comments and keep them on the level.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 26, 2016, 01:19:42 AM
Zack working on the doors for bay 2.

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Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 26, 2016, 03:38:16 AM
Looking at the picture of Zack's work bench I wonder, did new (and I will get the terminology wrong) new end plate castings get put on the flat car truss rods?  Was this to take the sag out of the car and to keep the truss rod bolts from sinking into the end sills?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 26, 2016, 04:35:01 AM
Zack is using car 126 for a work bench. Car 118 needs new end sills and has the truss rod washers sinking into the end sills. The oak for B&SR 67 is getting cut soon and we are going to get end sills for 118 cut at the same time.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 26, 2016, 02:00:52 PM
I spent a good part of last year (two days a week) helping replace the end sill on an 1886-vintage standard gauge combine at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. The sill had cast iron cups into which the truss rod nuts were seated. In replacing the sill, we sistered an 8-inch channel to it and eliminated the cups. It's all invisible since it's covered by the sheathing on the end of the car. At the same time, we replaced the draft sills and the platform knees. The end sill and the two draft sills were fabricated from century-old white oak barn timbers, while the platform knees were new wood.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 26, 2016, 11:04:09 PM
Another door going up first thing Saturday, then Zack can start on it's swinging mate
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 05, 2016, 11:15:37 PM
Two sets of doors are up on the car barn.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_3850.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/DSC_0579.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on March 06, 2016, 01:49:11 AM
That is an exceptionally Good Looking building!!
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 06, 2016, 09:01:05 PM
Zach has done a fantastic job on the doors. Looking forward to seeing more progress photos.

I realize this is jumping ahead a bit, but has any decision been made regarding what color(s) the carbarn will be painted?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 06, 2016, 10:52:43 PM
I realize this is jumping ahead a bit, but has any decision been made regarding what color(s) the carbarn will be painted?

Hot pink, or maybe mauve.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 06, 2016, 11:00:57 PM


Hot pink, or maybe mauve.

Why not chartreuse? I grew up next to a chartreuse house with maroon trim. I think it's only been painted a normal color the past 10-15 years.

Jeff S
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 06, 2016, 11:25:09 PM
I realize this is jumping ahead a bit, but has any decision been made regarding what color(s) the carbarn will be painted?

I asked Start that question a couple of times, but he hasn't wanted to hear any of it, for some reason.   ::)

I may have phrased the question, "What color are you painting the car barn?"  He's led the painting work on the other Sheepscot railroad buildings.  Can't understand why he may want a break.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 08, 2016, 05:34:10 AM
Since the car barn is not a true reproduction of any former WW&F building needing an historicallly correct paint job, and is in the area of the new restrooms and garage, matching their gray walls/white trim would make for a uniform, attractive appearance.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on March 08, 2016, 07:18:30 PM
Black with purple trim just like the new Colorado state sponsored inter-city bus service. It is called
"Bustang"
 
 http://ridebustang.com/
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on March 08, 2016, 09:49:37 PM
My own feeling is that, being a railroad related structure, it should be painted to match the engine house.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Myers on March 09, 2016, 01:47:36 AM
 I agree ,he said coming from left field ,which happens to be in New Jersey. If you've decided on how to paint the future roundhouse..then the carbarn should be the same. Thank you...I retreating to left field .................

Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 09, 2016, 02:01:21 AM
I realize this is jumping ahead a bit, but has any decision been made regarding what color(s) the carbarn will be painted?

I asked Start that question a couple of times, but he hasn't wanted to hear any of it, for some reason.   ::)

I may have phrased the question, "What color are you painting the car barn?"  He's led the painting work on the other Sheepscot railroad buildings.  Can't understand why he may want a break.

Shoot, Stewart could have it painted before the narrow gauge convention. ;D
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 09, 2016, 10:02:21 AM
It is a big building. Bring some brushes to help.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on March 09, 2016, 07:55:08 PM
Or a paint sprayer, but they might not let you on a plane with that! :)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 09, 2016, 09:01:28 PM
How about the local hardware store and pickup a Wagner power painter.  (This is not a paid endorsement :)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 12, 2016, 10:49:27 PM
Door number 5 was installed today and door number 6 is being built.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_3967.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_3964.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on March 20, 2016, 12:22:04 AM
 James , Great to hear that Zack has finished the Car barn doors. Hope he had time to install the north east man door. ZACK, thanks for all your work.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 20, 2016, 01:33:31 AM
Zack working on door trim.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4026.jpg)

Full set of doors.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4033.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 16, 2016, 02:25:29 AM
Zack has finished the door trim and added a second man door at the front of the barn. Leon designed, built and installed the hardware to hold the barn doors open. Zack is working on installing boards around the bottom interior of the car barn to keep ballast out of the vent space.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74002/IMG_4380.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74002/IMG_4384.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 16, 2016, 09:52:15 AM
You can see where the frame of door #1 (door #5??) has been blessed by #9.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on April 16, 2016, 10:07:40 AM
Speaking of the carbarn, are we painting it at Spring Work Weekend?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on April 16, 2016, 12:39:51 PM
OK, I'll bite:
"31"??
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 16, 2016, 02:52:00 PM
I like the smoke stain, gives it character...........
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 16, 2016, 10:30:05 PM
Gawdon, the price was right...we kind of have a joke that this way the fire department knows where to respond, "97 Cross Rd, Building 31"
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 16, 2016, 11:55:20 PM
I'm told these were doors previously used in a location that numbered its doors.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 17, 2016, 12:19:34 AM
Yes John, yet another donation from Fast Freds slightly Used Lumber Emporium. He has everything you need, as long as you need what he has
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on April 17, 2016, 12:59:20 AM
I believe the south end people door is marked # 34.
dwight
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 17, 2016, 11:53:35 PM
Mod's note: A discussion of Marxes of all types has been moved to the Whimsical Weirdness and Foolery section.
-Ed
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 18, 2016, 12:23:59 AM
I was waiting for that to happen.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on November 02, 2016, 03:28:27 AM
Re Brendan's second picture posted March 20

I just was reading Jan/Feb 1985 Narrow Gauge And Short Line Gazette
On page 74 is a West elevation of "Yerington's Barn" Car Storage Building in Carson City NV
Circa 1903 On the Virginia & Truckee RR.

On page 75 is a shot (taken 1937) very similar to Brendan's (It has a 3 way stub switch)  The museum's looks to be an
almost direct copy.

The caption said it was painted Boxcar Red "and had unusual diagonal siding on the doors."
Editor Bob Brown must not have been to New England.

I will see if I can send the images (Scanning is the easy part).

Could this have been a standardized type of building?
 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 06, 2016, 12:13:58 AM
From Carl
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/VampT_CarBarn_zpskketfgua.jpeg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 06, 2016, 02:26:11 AM
If they'd like to make more drawings, we can send them photos of all four sides of our building. ;D
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 06, 2016, 11:09:21 AM
Interesting assembly for locking the doors, similar to the SR&RL.
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on November 08, 2016, 03:57:50 AM
Thanks Mike
You do have photo too, do you not?
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 08, 2016, 11:14:37 AM
Now I have it...

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/Scan%202_zps04eevdrn.jpeg)
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on November 09, 2016, 05:44:23 AM
Thanks again Mike

I just thought it interesting that the two buildings looked so similar 3/4
of a continent apart. 
Title: Re: Car Barn - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on November 10, 2016, 03:56:38 AM
John M

Maybe they would be interested.
It would be a way to pass the word.
At the time Dick Andrews wrote a "Extra Narrow Gauge Junction"
column about 2 foot RRs 

Editor Bob was unaware the similarities but then the article
was 30+ YA.

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