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Title: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 13, 2008, 04:14:40 AM
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Mike Fox wrote:
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All,
I just had a thought. Vern Shaw built the handcar this year and was just posting in the car storage topic when this idea came to me. How about a replicated Head Tide Section house to put the handcar in. I see the handcar being used as a table or what have you while at the museum. A replicated section house would be a nice place to keep that. And keep it looking nice. Any thoughts on this??
Mike

Stewart Rhine replied:
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Mike,  Back a few weeks ago this was discussed on one of the threads.  It is a good idea.  I suggested that we build a section house on the East side of the mainline in the level area just North of the water tank.  A larger one would house the handcar, air car, and fire car. A jigger track would be run from the house out to the East rail of the main.  The area would be planked over to aid in turning the cars.  Wayne has a plan to build a handcar turntable which would enable the crews to turn the heavier cars.

James Patten replied:
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Vern's handcar is only the beginning.  Vern has plans on building another handcar, plus taking the parts of two velocipedes and making ... two whole velocipedes out of them.

Then there's Leon's railcar, which once it arrives and gets wheels will need a place to live.  This first railcar is one much like the SR&RL #2 owned by the Owl's Head Transportation Museum.  Leon would like to build a second one when he's done with this, much more like the Sewall inspection car.

So we need to think ahead for storage for these.

Joe Fox replied:
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Any locomotive, such as the inspection car that Leon is building, should go in the round house when and if it is built. Until that point, the car would need a place to live. However, like James and Stewart have said, the work flats and the hand car(s) can go in a building much like a section house like my dad has suggested.

Joe

Mike Fox replied:
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Wayne has suggested something largher than Head Tide might be in order. Like the one in Whitefield. Unless there is another picture of one someplace, the only photo I could find was the one by the Iron bridge.
To me, this does not look larger so it cannot be the right one. I'm sure we can come up with something that will fit our needs and look authentic at the same time. Guess I'll have to do some research.
Mike

Wayne Laepple replied:
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I don't have any adequate way to scale it out, but just looking at the door on the Whitefileld section house, it looks to be at least half again as big as the Head Tide building. It looks like its about 10 or 12 by 16 feet to me. But maybe it's because the Head Tide building is entered from the gable end. The Head Tide building may be "deeper."

Either one would be large enough for the handcar and the two velocipedes, since the outriggers are removable. Eventually, the Model T should have its own building or live in the roundhouse.

Stewart Rhine replied:
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The section/handcar house could have 2 doors with 2 jigger tracks.  If the building was 14X16 with two tracks, you could store one car behind the other and everything would be on the rails.  The only problem with this arrangement is when the car you need is behind another car and a double move is required.  The 2 door handcar house would allow storing 4 cars or the spare set of trucks under cover.  It wouldn't be prototypical but we could make it look good.  A higher roof pitch would allow space for storing parts or supplies, like oil for the air car, on shelves above the cars.

Wayne Laepple replied:
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If the drawings of the Head Tide section house on page 90 of Volume I of "Narrow gauge in the Sheepscot Valley" are accurate, the building is 10 x 16 feet. The building at Whitefield seems to be about the same size, but is configured differently. Do any drawings exist of that style? Either one would be able to house two handcars and two velocipedes. A leanto could be attached to one side to shelter the pushcars. I'm not certain the compressor car and fire car could be swung on the lightweight turntable, however. It's basically a wooden "H" with strap steel on the wheel bearing surface and not meant for heavy-duty use.

Sections houses often featured a bench across the back or along one side, where the trackemen could repair their tools. Tools were stored in racks or stacked neatly in the corners. Since we would have a tool house just across the tracks, perhaps only rarely used items should be stored in the section house. Let's try to keep both places neat and uncluttered!

James Patten replied:
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We believe that the Head Tide section house still exists.  Just to the north of the Horse People's house (the cape at the corner of 218 and the road into Head Tide) is a house with two outbuildings, one or both of which might possibly be original railroad buildings.

Incidentally, this house (and property) are for sale.

Wayne Laepple replied:
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Sounds like it's time for some industrial archeology disguised as a house-buying trip!

Joe Fox replied:
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If you guys give me all of the materials that you would like to use, such as the size of the wood, and any type of material, the size of the building, and I can give you guys the ruff estimating figure. Talk to you later.

Joe

Stephen Hussar replied:
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Sounds like it's time for some industrial archeology disguised as a house-buying trip!
This is a very small house in need of some serious TLC. I believe the asking price is around $100K...

And speaking of extant railroad buildings, while driving up to Albion we noticed that all the old structures along the ROW in Whitefield have either fallen down or been bulldozed. One of these was rumored to have been used by the WW&F as a machine shop.

Wayne Laepple replied:
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Steve H. told me earlier today he'd try to get a couple of photos of the alleged Head Tide section house this weekend. Wouldn't it be cool to retreive it after all these years and put it back in service, albeit at Sheepscot? (At least for now.....)

Allan Fisher replied:
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It is the bigger of the two shanties at the Gray House, and is no larger that 10 X 14 if that.

I have been inside , and I doubt any of the original wood is still inm the building as it was rebuilt about thjrity years ago and also 5 years ago.

Stephen Hussar replied:
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I believe a small amount of ROW is included in the parcel. And the roadbed is right behind the house.  (http://images/smiles/icon_smile.gif)

Josh Botting replied:
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We looked at the depressing little house last year about this time.  The house is terribly small with a very low cealing, and is very over priced.  The agent claimed that the small building was built as a temp home for the people while building the house.  But I don't know, it looks oldish, but you never know.  30 yrs ago is about when the house was built.  The property line is to the center of the ROW.  There was however little land associated with it, and whats there is rubish filled.

BM1455 replied:
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The overall size of the original sectionhouse was 10 X 16 or there abouts so Alan's guess is very close.  When rebuilt they probably just re-used the sills and floor.  (Perhaps the beams as well?)

Perhaps we could get a member interested in this lot but as previously mentioned, the house needs a lot of TLC.  We tried last year but to no avail.  One issue is that the site may also be on the location, or close to where the original station was, which would rais other issues about keeping the house there.  The asking price is currently way too high....dreamland price.  If this lot could be had more reasonably it would be a good aquisition for the organization's long term success as it could provide a good end point or terminal location.
EL

Wayne Laepple replied:
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So are you guys saying, Josh and E., that the section house remains don't resemble the original building any more? If so, I guess this thread ends and we can move on to a discussion of building a replica of Head Tide or some other section house.

Mike Fox replied:
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Well going by that building is out then if has been extensively remodeled. So starting back with the approx 10X16 figures for the head tide section house, it does not seem big enough for what everyone wants to put in it.  How big would it need to become to be useful to us? I think a 14X20 built to look like the original accept with 2 tracks should give room enough for about 4 items. Maybe more. I think it is agreed the ideal place for it is just north of the water tower. Plenty of room once the tank is installed on the water tower. Any thoughts??
Mike

BM1455 replied:
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I actually like the idea of just sticking to a replica of the Head Tide building for now.  First of all, we are starting to have the yard area become a urban planning zone with all of the proposed construction that people are talking about.  One of the things visitors/ railfans always say about us is that they like our museum because we are not just "collecting" buildings and moving them to our headquarters area, a la Sheepscot.  Another issue is that if we make a replica, we could someday move it to the original location if we can get there.  (I think that if we realy want to, we could get there)  Finaly, I have been involved in the veloceped project for a long time.  I have heard of a/the hand car project for almost as long, and the same goes for the railcar.  None of these things has moved along very quickly to say the least so why get building large structures that will change the yard area drasticly for things we don't know we will even see for years?  The veloceped was made for us in the mid 1990's and it still is not done.  (10 years of no progress beond what the guy who generously made it for us back then was able to do himself)  Vern has made one handcar and it is great but when will the other be built?
This is not intended as any slam on any one who is involved in these projuects.  It is just to point out that there is a huge laps in time between when these klinds of projects get mentioned, and when they actully get done.  By the time they are a reality there may be better places to but one or two of these things besides Sheepscot.  (How about a top of the mountain handcar/ section house, or some other place like the real railroad would have done instead of making a small city at Sheepscot.)
EL

Wayne Laepple replied:
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I'm all for a replica of the Head Tide section house, which was 11 x 16, according to Stewart, who found that information on the ICC valuation report. If it is located north of the water tank on the east side of the main track, it can house the handcar and the two velocipedes, as well as some of the tools currently kept in the tool house. I envision it as a place to keep items not used on a regular basis, such as the insta-tracks and the rail bender and some of the track jacks. On operating days, the doors could be opened and the handcar rolled part way out for viewing by passengers. And in the future, it could be loaded on a flatcar and taken back to Head Tide! Personally, I wouldn't be in favor of putting a "working" section house at Alna Center or Top of the Mountain for fear that unauthorized visitors would break in or set the place on fire or shoot it full of holes.

Josh Botting replied:
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My recolection of the "section house" was that there was a hodgepodge of floor, sitting directly on the ground, not necessarily makeing it to the walls.  From inside it was clear that the walls were supported by a random slection of stones, the lumber didn't look particularly old, however I was only there for a few mins.  There was definatly a new and old section of the building.....

Stewart Rhine replied:
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I still like the idea of a 14X20 two door, two track section house.  It would be a scaled down version of the SR&RL's Phillips freight house with the doors at each corner of the front.  The doors would slide towards the center so both could be open at the same time.  Each end would have a window for light.  Shelves would be built in the back and over the car storage area.  If the flooring was 2X6 or 2X10 hard wood, cars could be placed anywhere inside the building.    Roll the cars up the jigger track and into the building then position them on their flanges.  Plank over the junction of the jigger tracks and East rail of the mainline for easier turning of the cars.  This would give us a good building for most of our smaller cars.  As I said before, why place a 5 foot high car in a building like our engine house.  It's a waste of space.

I agree with Wayne.  Any building up the line that looks like it holds tools or equipment will get broken into - or worse.

BM1455 replied:
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This idea was posted twice by people and has some merit but...

"I agree with Wayne. Any building up the line that looks like it holds tools or equipment will get broken into - or worse"

....have we had any trouble at Alna Ctr even with a publicly accessible road into it?  None that I'm aware of.  The top of the mountain is on private property so I doubt we would have much trouble there.  It is also a long hike for vandels who usualy are quite lazy.  There are other locations available like perhaps at the proposed siding near cockeye curve.  This would be a very safe place for a tool house once we have the freindly neighbors we think we will soon have.
EL

Stewart Rhine replied:
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Hall's would be a good place for a WW&F style 11X16 section house - especially if we build the siding.  Once we have more than one handcar one could be stored there.  One handcar should always be kept at Sheepscot.

I am not opposed to seeing a section house at Alna Center or on the TOM siding.  I think it would be useful and look great.   The Top of the Mountain area is remote and would probably be safe but I wouldn't put anything in there that is valuable or can't be easily replaced.

Mike Fox replied:
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The only problem I can forsee about putting a handcar in a section house outside of Sheepscot is this. If someone should break in and get the handcar out on the line and no one know about it until it's too late. We don't run fast enough to turn it into splinters but I bet the paint could get scratched if left on the main in a poor spot.
Mike

Wayne Laepple replied:
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As inventive a bunch as we seem to be, I'll bet we can (a) come up with a way to secure a handcar so it can't be removed from the building without knowing the secret password, and/or (b) figure out some way to lock the mechanism so that even if it is removed from the section house and put on the track, it won't move!

Mike Fox replied:
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Wayne,
I thought of that after I posted. Like BM1455 said, Top of the Mountain would be a good spot for a second section house. Pattern that one after the one that was located by the Iron Bridge in Whitefield. And the one in Sheepscot should resemble an enlarged version of the Head Tide section house. The average person will not notice that it is 3 or 4 feet larger than the original.
Mike

Mike Fox replied:
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With the nice photos posted under the Motor Pool topic, I figured it was time for some more ideas on storage of these little for wheelers. Leon has put many countless hours into that car. And it looks great. I would like to see it kept that way. As well as the hand car. Vern and others did a wonderfull job with that. We should be able to have a building to put them in. To protect them from all things, us.
I don't know how many times I would walk through the shop last year and see the handcar being used for a table or a bench. Hopefully not a workbench but stuff was set on it. I figure if we can get it in it's own building, it will look great for a lot longer period. I would hate to see Leons car in the shop with something leaned up against it.
And I'm not saying this is something that needs to be built this year but we should get the ball rolling so maybe this fall we could get started. Get the floor done before frost sets in in good shape and build it over the winter. Thoughts???
Mike

Wayne Laepple replied:
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If a replica of the Whitefield section house was constructed, it would provide storage space for the handcar and velocipede, and in the winter, the fire car and possibly the air compressor car could be housed there as well. That would free up space in the shop for the Model T railcar. When the roundhouse is built, the Model T could be kept there. Or a small shed for it could be placed on a radial track off the turntable.

Stewart Rhine replied:
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Wayne has a good point.  As most everyone knows the discussion has been towards building a new handcar shed / section house when the water tank is complete.  That means that the new handcar shed could be built this Fall.  It would go just North of and on the same side as the water tank.  There are plans (somewhat rough) for a replica of the Whitefield section house and these will be presented to the Board this year.  If the Board agrees with the plan as proposed, the shed will be built.  The question is when.  Part of the "if" in this project is funding.  Ira has already said he will persue the NRHS Grant if he is appointed by the Board.  There aren't many projects that $5,000 would take from start to finish but the car shed is one.  It will be a big advantage to have the shed to house the handcar and velocipede, and the fire car, air car in the Winter.  As I have said before, you don't store a 5 foot tall car in an 18 foot stall if you can avoid it

Mike Fox replied:
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I talked with Zack today and he feels the same way. Whitefield seems to be what he likes. A single door structure for the hand car and Velocopede when they are done. I like the looks of the Head Tide sectionhouse myself and I think it would work good for this pupose but that is my own opinion. Either way, this would be a welcomed addition to our storage options.
Mike

Stewart Rhine replied:
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Mike, I like the head Tide building too but the Whitefield shed is a better fit for Sheepscot.   The Head Tide shed would work well at TOM or at the Head Tide end of the line.  I think it will be built too, just not sure where or when.

Mike Fox replied:
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Stewart,
The reason I like it is because the of the roof. I like to be able to walk into a building without the rain dripping on your head from the eaves. I believe both buildings are the same size though the door at headtide looks taller. But after looking at both buildings and knowing what is desired, Whitefield will give us more options.
Mike

Stephen Hussar replied:
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There is absolutely a great need to have more indoor storage space, especially for the handcar, firecar, and compressor car, but isn't the view looking north getting crowded? Could the current section house be moved to a spot further up the ROW (like TOM)? And this reproduction Whitefield building take its place in the yard? (across from the water tank) Not that this would be all that aesthetically offensive , but I'm just curious what everyone thinks...

Mike Fox replied:
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Steve,
The way Zack was talking yesterday, I am under the impression you won't be able to see it from Sheepscot. It will be North of the water tower and I think the water tower will hide it pretty well.
Mike

Wayne Laepple replied:
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Having seen a sketch plan of the site, Mike is correct. The new tool house would be out of the line of sight from Sheepscot, set back from the track and hidden from the south behind the base of the water tank. In my opinion, it would be nice to someday relocate the Sheepscot section house across the track to a position just north of the new building.

Joe Fox replied:
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In my opinion, I think that the section house should stay where it is, because that is near the location it was originally.

Joe

Stephen Hussar replied:
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In my opinion, I think that the section house should stay where it is, because that is near the location it was originally.
Joe
Very good point -- I'm sold!  (http://images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif)

Stewart Rhine replied:
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Joe has the right idea.  I see this way - the current tool house is our only original WW&F  structure.  It should stay where it is for a number of reasons.  First, it was originally at Sheepscot.  Also, it is safer in the yard than out along the line.

The new handcar shed / section house will fit well into the location just North of the water tank.  As Wayne said, you won't be able to see it from  the yard because of the water tank.  It was common practice to pair buildings on the WW&F.  The original Wiscasset yard had a number of job-related buildings next to each other.  We are recreating the same thing at Sheepscot.  Of course the car shed can be moved at some point in the future if that becomes necesary.

As to comparing the Head Tide and Whitefield section houses.  They were about the same size but Head tide had the short side to the tracks while Whitefield had the long side to the tracks.  The Whitefield structure fits better with the available space next to the water tank.  Mike has a point about getting wet.  Maybe we can have a small tin rain gutter over the door.

Wayne Laepple replied:
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While the Head Tide and Whitefield section houses were about the same size, the Whitefield building offers more usable floor space. The Head Tide building had double doors that hinged inward, reducing the floor space available. The sliding door takes up no floor space when opened.

As was mentioned somewhere above, perhaps some day we can build a replica of the Head Tide building and situate it at Halls, Top of the Mountain or at Route 218.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 06, 2015, 03:20:51 AM
Hi Everyone,

This past week I spent some time studying the photo of the Whitefield Section House in Two Feet to Tidewater. Based on that image I came up with dimensions of 13x17. After thinking about it 12x16 would certainly be more straightforward to build. It would be great to be as faithful to the original structure as possible. Stewart, does the ICC valuation report mention any dimensions for Whitefield?

Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 06, 2015, 01:38:12 PM
Hi Steve,

The ICC valuation missed the section house so there's no data in the survey.  A few years ago Zack scaled the structure using the shingle sizes as a guide. He figured the dimensions including the height.  Your 12X16' sounds right.  There were some rough plans and a lumber cut sheet made by Zack back then.  There was also a Whitefield Section House thread on here (or was it on the previous forum?) so there should be more information.  Dave B. and Stephen H. were in on the plans and may have some info for you.  I'll look through my old notes as I thought I had a copy of Zack's info.

Start
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on January 06, 2015, 02:08:20 PM
Hi steve;
I went back to 2010 in my emails and found this materials list sent to me by Wayne. In his email he noted that Stewart had prepared drawings for a 12 X 16 building.

Materials list for Whitefield section house      4-21-2010

4 -- 6x6x16 sills
4 --  4x4x8 corner posts
70 -- 2x4x8 walls studs and roof joists
40 -- 1x12x16 wall and roof sheathing
2 -- 30 x 36 6 over 6 windows
192 sq. ft. -- 2-inch hardwood tongue and groove flooring
559 sq. ft. -- roll roofing for walls and roof
559 sq. ft. -- cedar shingles for walls and roof
12 ft. -- galvanized door track
3 -- door rollers
45 sq. ft. -- ¾-inch tongue and groove for door
16 ft. -- aluminum ridge vent

Keep in mind that there is a Whitefield Section House Fund with money already in it. Presumably James has those numbers.
Dave
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 06, 2015, 02:46:37 PM
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I found and combined the original Whitefield Section House thread. I'm glad to see that this idea is being re-visited.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 06, 2015, 03:38:46 PM
Although the big push, building wise in 2015 will be the car storage building, I think a small building for our 4 wheel cars is still needed. Dave, thanks for the materials list, it's a big help!  I have not found any drawings for the Whitefield SH and they may have been lost when I moved.  If they don't turn up I'm sure Steve P., Steve Z. and Zack can figure the framing, etc. fairly easily.  The biggest change I see is that there are now more options where to put the structure.  When the discussion began, everyone thought the building should be on the mainline near the water tank.  Now the upper yard spur gives us another spot (between the two switches) where the shed can go.  The BoD can decide on a location and the word can go out that the WSH project may happen this year.  Mention of it in the newsletter, on the forum  and on fb may bring in a few more $$ for the project.

2015 is gonna be a great year for the WW&F!

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on January 06, 2015, 04:42:50 PM
Stewart;
I agree it will be a good year for the WW&F!. The reason the WSH has come to the fore is the generosity of Stephen P and Annie. They are planning the building of the WSH as part of their wedding celebration. I'll leave it to them to add more about their plans.
Dave
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 06, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
The best location would be on the West side between the first and second switches, set back from the nearest rail by atleast 10 feet to help with visibility. If a location is determined, we can get the ground prepped before hand to aid in constructing this important and long desired building.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 06, 2015, 05:38:58 PM
Hi Dave,

I was aware of the reason the WSH is back in the news.  I didn't mention it because I didn't know if Steve and Annie wanted it broadcast yet.  Since that ship has sailed here's more news: 

I just found the 4 pages of WSH plans that were drawn 8 years ago.  There's a site plan, floor plan, front elevation and end elevation.  The plans call for a 12X16' structure that has wall headers at 7.5'.  It rests on 4 6X6" pt sills and has 4X4" corner posts.  There is a 6' rolling door.  The roof has a 2' pitch.  We don't know the orientation of the roof rafters so the head room may be a bit more than 7.5' if there's no horizontal beams.  There is a 3X2.5' window in each end and the entire building is covered in cedar shingles.  The shingles will be the most expensive part of the job.

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 06, 2015, 08:20:02 PM
It's about time. I drew the original plan and material list for the Whitefield section house several years ago, and I made the first donation to that project. I'll be happy to see it built wherever it winds up.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 06, 2015, 08:43:55 PM
Hi Guys:

Thanks for all of the information provided so far! As Dave and Stewart pointed out Annie and I are building WSH as part of our wedding picnic the weekend of June 20 and 21 2015. If you are interested in coming to help build the section house consider yourself invited! We're both looking forward to the wedding and are excited to bring people together doing things they love. We'll leave it to the board to decide where to put the building, but to give a some sense of a timeline, I'd like to have the ground leveled (wherever it is going) and the stringers and floor built and in place in advance of the wedding. I'd also like to have the walls framed out and sheathed and the sliding door built. On Saturday we will focus on the following: Raising the walls, installing the door and windows, constructing the roof, and roofing and siding the building.

The link below has some photos of Whitefield Iron Bridge and the section house, some which I hadn't seen before.  There are also photos from the WW&F at other locations in Whitefield on this site.
http://www.mainething.com/ww&f/Whitefield%20Bridge/index.htm (http://www.mainething.com/ww&f/Whitefield%20Bridge/index.htm)

See you there!
Steve and Annie
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on January 06, 2015, 09:59:30 PM
Your moderator, Ed, and I worked on grant proposals back then to fund the project.
Unfortunately we were unsuccessful.
This is a wonderful opportunity to see the WSH come to fruition.
My congratulations.

Ira
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 06, 2015, 11:36:02 PM
Someone asked, above, how much was in the WSH fund.  The answer is $4500.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on January 07, 2015, 12:33:16 PM
Mike,

When you say "west side, between the first and second switches," are you referring to a location off of the North Yard lead, or on the west side of the mainline, between the North Yard switch and the "south" yard switch?

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 07, 2015, 12:50:46 PM
Is the building going to be made out of rough lumber or planed lumber?  I understood it was to be rough lumber, like the original. There's going to be a lot of work on the car shed this coming year, so it may take a special group to do the pre-fab of the section house.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 07, 2015, 01:42:56 PM
Hi Fred,

Yes, we spec'd rough cut lumber with real dimension 2X4's, etc.  The only lumber that wouldn't be rc are the sills/stringers which will be pt.  Everything from the floor up will be authentic rc lumber.  As noted in the earlier post, the big push for 2015 is to get the car storage building under roof but I think we can take a weekend to do the grading and build the WSH floor so it will be ready for the wedding weekend.  I plan to get in the way help set things up.

Start
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 07, 2015, 08:23:24 PM
Dave,

Between the first and second switches in the North Yard. Probably the flat area just north of the access road to the new leach field (Mount Urine).
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 07, 2015, 09:29:09 PM
If I'm understanding you correctly, that area is where the three-way stub switch will need to be installed this summer. That first which is a right-hand switch, meaning the track from it leads right through that area.

There's plenty a flat area to be had; I'm sure we can fit it right in that neighborhood somewhere.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 07, 2015, 09:30:00 PM
Oh, I just got where you meant.on the access road to the Leitchfield, it would be just north of the track I previously mentioned. That works.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 07, 2015, 11:22:16 PM
Just daydreaming, but wouldn't it be great to be able to reinstall the section house back at its original location - of course with appropriate railhead and station along with it.  One can only dream...............
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 07, 2015, 11:22:38 PM
I like the Edaville reference in Mike's post. ;D
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 07, 2015, 11:58:50 PM
I think the location I am thinking will be best for visibility of train crews switching the car barn area, while giving a good spot to put the building. I think it may have to span the ditch, which a new ditch can be dug around the area easily while filling in the current one.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 08, 2015, 02:07:22 AM
If the ditch becomes an issue, perhaps further consideration might be given to the originally suggested location, north of the water tank on the east side of the main line. Just sayin'......
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 08, 2015, 02:39:41 AM
John,

The house will be built on skids, so don't worry. It could be moved when right the time comes :)
I am going to offer but one additional point of view here: section houses aren't usually built in sidings or yards. They are built specifically to store the tools used by a section gang on a section of the mainline.

That being said, as the line gets longer, Sheepscot gets further and further away and harder and harder to get back to if you've forgotten a tool. Might there be some benefit to having a section house with a few basic tools and a hand car located up the track aways, perhaps at ToM?

Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Troy Congdon on January 08, 2015, 11:07:42 AM
John,

(Snip)

Might there be some benefit to having a section house with a few basic tools and a hand car located up the track aways, perhaps at ToM?

Steve

In addition to the benefit maintaining and expanding the right of way, it gives a conversation piece to speak to guests about. If it were placed somewhere that was otherwise "boring" then it would be the focus point of that part of the train ride. If it were placed at the top of the mountain it could give the already non prototypical siding additional purpose. The section house could be moved to 218 when the railroad gets that far and the siding is reverted to its 'proper' alignment. This would again have the benefit if saving long rides for tools but also help quickly populate that part of the railroad to help catch the eye of passing motorists while providing a location for storing theftable display items.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 08, 2015, 12:29:46 PM
I though we were going to use the small station that was brought back to Sheepscot from route 1 last year, for TOM for small tools. Not expensive items! Buildings have been broken into before. Not very often, but it has happened.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on January 08, 2015, 01:05:41 PM
Mike,

Thanks for explaining your proposed location.  I agree that the drainage ditch would probably need to be relocated in order to have a large enough flat pad for the section house.

I also think Stephen P. is spot on as well - the section house, prototypically, would be located along the mainline, not in the yard.  I do like Wayne's location, north of the water tank.

Any structure located at TOM would need to have all four walls, with a locking door; while access to TOM, at present, is via a very rough access road, hikers, etc. could cause mischief.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 08, 2015, 02:02:22 PM
The Prebles building is likely going to be used as the central hub for power and telecommunications lines to drop to, from there we'll send buried utilities around the campus.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 08, 2015, 02:11:37 PM
Wasn't there a section house somewhere near the Trout/Carlton Brook bridge on the Mountain grade?

That said, I like the idea of having the Whitefield section house somewhere on the Sheepscot campus, but we may want to build another section house at the original site on the mountain grade.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 08, 2015, 04:00:41 PM
I agree that having a section building elsewhere on the railroad is a good idea if your out on trackwork and have forgotten something.

However general idea of the WHS was to store our hand cars under cover.  So that means it really belongs on the Sheepscot campus.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 08, 2015, 05:09:36 PM
There is some evidence, including photographic, that some sort of structure was located along the main line south of the Route 218 crossing, on the west side of the track. Unfortunately, none of the photos is clear enough to definitively determine its function. Thus a building somewhat similar in appearance and size at that location could be freelanced as a shelter for passengers or it could be a tool house. Recall that back in the day, the railroad was probably divided into several sections about 6 or 7 miles in length, with a section gang assigned to each one. In its waning years, however, only one gang remained to care for the entire 43-mile line. They did not have the advantage of motorized track cars, which may explain why there was a section house at Sheepscot and another at Route 218, so the track gang did not have to haul heavy tools and materials any further than necessary on the mountain.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 08, 2015, 07:32:00 PM
James,

I know that was the plan, but I am not sure that the actual structure dimensions (12x16) could accommodate 2 hand cars back to back. I'm not sure how long the hand cars are but is likely only one (and a velocipede) might fit in there. We usually use the hand cars on one of the yard tracks. I guess we need to know where the hand car operation is going to wind up or if it will stay in the same place.

Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 08, 2015, 08:03:38 PM
Actually, section houses were also found in yards. Bridgton, for example, had a couple small buildings in their yard, for tools and carts etc.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 08, 2015, 08:30:21 PM
Stephen --

Several years ago, I made a scale drawing of the floor plan of the Whitefield section house, as well as the footprints of the two handcars, the compressor car, fire car, etc., and everything fit quite well. Since the building would essentially be a garage for the compressor car and the fire car during the off season, there would be plenty of space. Especially if the place doesn't end up being a dumping ground for various other stuff..... and there will be space at the end of a couple of the tracks in the new carhouse as well.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 08, 2015, 11:11:40 PM
The floor being made of a hardwood is a must. This will allow the cars to be removed from the rail and positioned in the building. The heaviest car an be left on the track. With nothing hanging on the walls, the two hand cars could fit side by side, as well as the two work flats, and still have the track clear for more. Compressor is a little heavy, but that and the mower car could also be squeezed in.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 09, 2015, 12:49:53 AM
I think Mike is on the right track (ha!) suggesting the building should have a hardwood floor.

Would it not be better for the MoW cars to get stored somewhere on track, rather than all crammed in a small building together where they must be maneuvered in tight spaces? This becomes especially interesting if a car needs maintenance. When you consider the crane and other small cars we have now I don't know how well it would work. Perhaps just keep the section house as a home for the handcars and velocipede and find another, more functional home for the MoW cars.

Mike, I see what you said about Bridgton and that makes sense to me, although I don't think those buildings would really be considered section houses then. Just more generally tool sheds or something along those lines. I am certainly not opposed to any of the locations that have been brought up here.

If this is totally out of step with people's thoughts, just let me know, but I think it makes foremost sense for this building to be highly functional and efficiently useable. Shoehorning stuff in would make that impossible. Wherever it winds up being located should be guided by its primary purpose. Once that is defined, it should make locating the structure fairly straightforward.

Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 09, 2015, 02:02:51 AM
Please note that the original plans called for the building to have a maple floor, made of "boxcar flooring," which is 2-inch tongue and groove maple. Once the floor is oiled a few times, it is very easy to move heavy objects around on it. Also, in my note immediately above, I made the point that the compressor car, fire car, ROWMOW 1, etc. would be in there for winter storage. Otherwise, the building would house primarily the two handcars and the velocipedes. The original floor plan even allowed for a work bench across one side, as I recall. The work cars are all about three feet wide and perhaps 4 feet long. 
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 09, 2015, 02:05:12 AM
One more thing -- some section houses I've been in have only a smooth wooden floor, while others have a pair of hardwood "rails" screwed down to the floor directly in front of the door, to accommodate a motor car, I presume.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 09, 2015, 11:06:28 AM
<tongue-in-cheek mode>
Now that we have the crane, maybe the section house can be built with a hinge on the roof, so that we can "pop the top" and have the crane pull out or put in cars in various positions without having to shuffle other cars around.  What do you think?  ;D
</tongue-in-cheek>
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on January 09, 2015, 04:12:06 PM
I like the idea of the wooden rails, as Wayne mentioned other car houses have. Then in the winter time, the hand cars can be moved to the set of "rails" beside the door opening, and roll the mow cars into the building on the door track.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 09, 2015, 07:16:46 PM
I like that idea too. I think this is shown in a couple of the WSH photos too. Sounds like a good plan!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 09, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
It should also be kept in mind that when the carhouse is completed, it will free up quite a bit of track space in the shop building.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 09, 2015, 11:37:10 PM
The WSH plans were submitted at the BoD meeting tonight.  Since they were done 8 years ago, a few changes/corrections will be made but the basic plans were accepted.  The site location was discussed as well and info will go to Steve P. and Mike about site prep.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 10, 2015, 01:21:37 AM
Any possibility that preliminary work could be done during Spring Work Weekend?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 10, 2015, 01:39:15 AM
Spring Work Weekend should concentrate on the ballasting and final track laying at TOM and work on the Car Barn, possibly including some track laying. With the Mid-June wedding planned, we have the month of May and half of June to get things ready. If we start too early, we may finish it before Stephen and Annie can put any sweat equity into it.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 10, 2015, 02:19:20 AM
Annie and I will be up for several weekends immediately proceeding the big day and the entire week proceeding that day, so there will be time enough to get things prepped without impacting the spring work weekend. If it was convenient and didn't jeopardize other projects, perhaps some preliminary ground work could take place.

Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 11, 2015, 01:39:51 AM
A "site walk" was performed today. Ground looks good. Will fit perfectly where discussed. A little grading necessary to level it up a little.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 12, 2015, 03:34:16 AM
Mike,
Was the gravitational field checked in the area of concern? Just curious because if anything unusual was found that would change all of the loadings when using a crane to remove cars through the removable retractable roof structure.  :P
In all seriousness, glad he site walk looked good and glad to hear the WSH should fit as planned. Thanks for taking a look.
Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on May 20, 2015, 11:23:11 AM
To all those concerned:

I'll be up this weekend for wedding "things", including some prep work for the section house. Annie and I will be getting in late afternoon/early evening on Friday and be around through Monday early afternoon.

Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 28, 2015, 01:49:41 AM
Section house progress

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 28, 2015, 05:02:08 AM
You guys could've shown Kaiser Shipyards how to build WWII Liberty Ships faster than two days each.  ;D
Once again, amazing.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on June 29, 2015, 12:21:35 PM
Looks great!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 30, 2015, 10:52:22 PM
Excellent. Great pics, Brendan, thank you!
SH
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 30, 2015, 11:10:23 PM
More work done today:

* Skirt boards installed on 3 sides.  The front was left off due to needed research for the ramp/jigger track design.

* The second set of gable 2X4's were added on both ends.

* Measurements taken for the rake boards which may be installed tomorrow.  If we get the rake baords up and set the shadow boards we may be able to lay the ice & water shield on the roof so the building will stay dry(er).   
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on July 01, 2015, 10:57:19 AM
Linda was kind enough to search the archives and found the following photo which clearly shows the arrangement of the jigger track. Thanks Linda!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on July 01, 2015, 01:38:26 PM
Love the picture, so classic. I don't believe I've ever seen that smaller handcar before. Does it or at least plans survive?
It would be fun to have both types so we could recreate the picture.

Other Questions:
Was the door like a barn door but inside?

Is that a horseshoe over the door?

Were there 'tracks' in the building?

Do we have any idea who is in the picture?

Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on July 01, 2015, 03:15:17 PM
What a neat picture! Thank you Linda for finding it and Steve for sharing it!

The 4-wheel velocipede is very similar to the one from the SR&RL the Phillips Historical Society has on display.

It looks like the "tracks" in the building are just hardwood rails fastened to the floor.

And what's the weight of the rail on the jigger track? It looks really light, like 16-lb or even 12-lb. Were they fastened down in any way or were they just a pair of loose rails that were slid out whenever a handcar was moved in or out?

-Philip Marshall
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 01, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
There appears that there may have been at least two jigger track arrangements. Look at these photos. One shows some sort of ramp (and turntable?) Note also a walkway or platform in front of the door.

In the other photo (which appears to be the same crew as the photo that Linda provided) there is no platform, no turntable, and the jigger track is just the two rails.

Personally, I like the ramp/turntable/platform configuration - it's much more interesting.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 01, 2015, 05:37:52 PM
The platform would be safer to work around.  We need to see where the door is in respect to the height of the spur once it gets lifted and tamped.  When the spur is all set we can build the jigger track and ramp.  The jigger track will probably be a piece of bog track.

BTW - we already have an old horseshoe to put above the door.

Gordon,  Here are a few answers:

* The door was a sliding/rolling door like the side doors on 320.

* There was a horseshoe above the door in later years.

* We believe there was some type of track inside, probably hardwood rails which is what Zack plans to install when the spruce floor goes in.

Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on July 02, 2015, 01:03:02 AM
Gordon,

To address another one of your points someone at some point started to build a replica of that smaller car. Ive seen the handle for it in varying locations within the car shop. There might be more of it somewhere...

Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on July 02, 2015, 01:49:31 AM
Are the wheels on the velocipede stamped or cast?
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on July 02, 2015, 02:10:03 AM
 A great idea to build the section house on such a special week end.  All the pictures and written discussion will be remembered for years.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on July 02, 2015, 10:24:49 AM
Are the wheels on the velocipede stamped or cast?

What I want to know is: Do the wheels on the velocipede go 'round and 'round? 

Velocipede wheels are stamped.  We have a 3-wheeled version regauged from wide (56-1/2") gauge.  It's not complete, however.

Sorry- I do have a 2 yr old!

Jason
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 02, 2015, 10:26:57 AM
Steve P. and Gordon --

I believe the parts you've seen around the shop are/were for velocipedes rather than a four-wheel "Irish mail" inspection car.

Wayne
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 02, 2015, 11:14:00 AM
With regard to the door of the Whitefield structure, the Lackawanna tool houses that I was around for a few years had an interesting locking mechanism. Rather than the usual strap hasp, there was a large staple driven into the door post and a long pin with a loop on the end. There was a hole in the door post into which the pin was inserted, and then a lock was passed through the loop in the pin and the staple. Inside, the pin fit into a hole in the door to secure it.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on July 02, 2015, 03:36:45 PM
Thanks for the answers.
It would appear that the method used to get the handcars out evolved over the years.
On the two pictures in Ed's post, my guess is that the first one is older because of the dress of the crew, more like pre-1900.
Do we know the dates of the pictures?
Are those lunch pails?
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 02, 2015, 07:34:48 PM
What I want to know is: Do the wheels on the velocipede go 'round and 'round? 

Sorry- I do have a 2 yr old!

Jason
Never too late for a second childhood. Enjoy! ;D
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 02, 2015, 07:53:44 PM
Today -

* Some clean up after the rain storm. 

* Rake boards installed on the south end and front. 

Next steps -

* Cut down the rear roof rafters overhang to 4" so the back rake board can be set.

* Install north end rake boards.

* Set shadow boards all around so the flashing and ice & water shield roof covering can be applied.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 02, 2015, 08:04:20 PM
It's a shame we don't have a working shingle mill (yet), a I see from the original section house photographs a very nicely shingled structure.  It will be nice when we can make our own - now there's a school trip experience!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on July 03, 2015, 03:53:20 AM
Jason
You have a 2 year old what?

Cheddar not too bad
Whiskey kind of raw
Bread kind of stale
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Andre Anderson on July 03, 2015, 07:18:42 AM
Jason
You have a 2 year old what?

Cheddar not too bad
Whiskey kind of raw
Bread kind of stale

It took a moment to figure out the joke, ::) then I had a good belly laugh!  ;D
And your right whiskey only two years old is not drinkable.  :o

Andre
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on July 04, 2015, 01:16:00 AM
Some of the older section cars had a metal rim. But used wooden "spokes" for the hub.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 14, 2015, 12:16:40 PM
Yesterday, Steve P., Brendan and Hansel pulled an "all nighter" and got the ice & water shield coating on the roof by around 9:30 pm.  The adhesive is better to work when there's no sun so they decided to work after dark.  Next step will be to apply the rolled roofing.  Not sure when that will be but at least the roof is now water proof.  

Thanks to Brendan, Hansel & Steve P. for going the extra milepost!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on July 15, 2015, 05:56:45 PM
I wanted to thank Brendan Barry too. He was up on the roof with us the entire time. Actually, we finished up (ran out of...) the ice and water shield at around 9:00-9:30. Is the last piece of ice and water shield now installed? We were one pass short.

The rest of the time Hansel and I spent disassembling the nice power hacksaw in hopes of getting it functioning again. It is now much cleaner, but I'd still like to take some of the grease fitting off of the "parts" saw to replace the oil cups which tend to throw oil everywhere... I think we can solve the clutch issue temporarily by putting a piece of sheet brass through the english wheel and using it as a shim between the flywheel hub and the clutch itself. That will get it working. A longer term solution would be to  braze in some brass to enlarge the clutch. That could then be turned. I think it is brass there to provide a clutch wear surface softer than the cast iron.  I'll look into that when I'm up next. For now, the parts are all stowed together, although the flywheel is off the "parts" saw.

Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on July 15, 2015, 11:37:38 PM
Whitefield section house on Monday, July 13, following the efforts of Steve P, Hansel and Brendan well into the preceding night. View from back shows the one pass at top remaining to be done.

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on July 16, 2015, 12:10:40 AM
The section house looks amazing. Congratulations to Steve and all involved! I look forward to seeing it in person sometime this summer.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 16, 2015, 03:06:48 AM
Great work. So, now WW&F runs a night shift.  ;D
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 16, 2015, 09:53:15 AM
* The last row of coating is now on and the i&w shield has been trimmed around the flashing.  Rolled roofing may go on next week.

* Randy donated a complete system of door rollers: track, clamps, rollers, lags and bolts.  Thanks Randy!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 23, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
The rolled roofing is all on and the front staging has been removed.  The next step will be to wrap the building in a tar paper style covering.  When the paper is on, the widows go in and the corner boards are set.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on July 24, 2015, 01:48:08 PM
I want to be there when the widows go in!
 ::)
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 24, 2015, 10:41:20 PM
Rolled roofing on.

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 24, 2015, 12:22:38 AM
The spruce flooring came in today so I hope we can get that installed soon.  When the floor is down we can build the door so the building is sealed to the weather.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on October 24, 2015, 12:45:11 AM
we need a updated photo posted here
dwight
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 24, 2015, 12:55:25 AM
Selected photos of construction progress Oct. 9-12 2015. (From the 2015 Work Weekend thread.)

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(Photos by Brendan Barry)
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 24, 2015, 10:23:00 PM
Ed,  Thanks for moving some of Brendan's pictures over from the work weekend thread.  A good way to see all the progress  in one location. Looking forward to seeing the spruce floor installed along with door. Thanks again, Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 24, 2015, 11:06:18 PM
Flooring arrived yesterday, and Start plans on installation asap
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 07, 2015, 10:37:36 PM
Floor progress in the section house.

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on November 15, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
 Hope Stewart was able to finish installing the floor in the section house. Add the oak rails for the hand cars and the door, secure storage.  The BOD will have to look at planning for a section house at Alma or TOM, for a future arts and crafts center.   Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 15, 2015, 05:27:31 PM
Hi Fred,

Yes, the floor was finished yesterday.  Zack will order lumber for the door soon.  The door will have edge and center bead sheathing like the original WW&F tool house that's near the water tank.

Start
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on November 17, 2015, 12:58:54 AM
 Stewart, Thanks for the information on the door, look forward to seeing it installed. Oh yes, the paint color on the window trim on the south side really looks great.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 17, 2015, 02:44:46 AM
Finished floor and rails set in place for awaiting installation.

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 17, 2015, 05:59:47 PM
Will the coming ramp connection be fixed in place?
Will the "rails" continue to the threshold's outer edge?
Tune in next time.  :D
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 17, 2015, 07:38:59 PM
Rails have been set, they stop just inside where the door will slide.  The ramp will be built when the spur is jacked and tamped to correct height.  Ramp rails will tie into the sill to help guide handcars in and out.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 18, 2015, 10:44:30 PM
Handcars moved into the section house today.

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 18, 2015, 11:02:18 PM
Thanks for the photos, Brendan. The grinding wheel looks right at home with the handcars.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on November 18, 2015, 11:46:50 PM
Really looks great! Are the rails made of hardwood?
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 19, 2015, 12:56:14 AM
Still plenty of room in there for one of the work cars. That wooden work flat would look nice in there.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 19, 2015, 01:26:32 AM
I was thinking it would be nice to clear out the original section house just to clean it out, and maybe store some items in the WSH and the rest back in the original section building.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 19, 2015, 01:39:28 AM
Several years ago, when I wrote to the Board and Stewart redrew my original plans for the Whitefield section house, I suggested that tools and other items used only occasionally could be stored in the Whitefield building. For example, now that we have a power rail drill, the old hand-cranked drill would be a candidate. Perhaps the Insta-tracks. Etc.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 19, 2015, 02:22:38 AM
John, Yes, we used Oak rails.

dwight
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on November 19, 2015, 02:47:30 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 19, 2015, 02:51:31 AM
If we put iron strap on top of the oak rails we will have come full circle to the original tracks when RR's started in this country.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 19, 2015, 11:09:39 PM
How about a shelf high up along the rear wall and maybe a couple of shelves along the north wall?
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on November 19, 2015, 11:31:25 PM
If we put iron strap on top of the oak rails we will have come full circle to the original tracks when RR's started in this country.
Watch out for "Snakeheads!"
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 20, 2015, 12:19:31 AM
Looking at the pix of the Section House with the two hand cars and grinding wheel I think some of the tools like the old hand rail drill will make a great display for the Section house along with freeing up some space in our real tool storage places.  Perhaps a few 'Ground Maps' placed near the Rest Rooms and the Station would help encourage our visitors to 'wander around' to see what will now be a little bit hidden in the Car Barn and the Section House.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 20, 2015, 12:31:43 AM
Bill has a wonderful idea, as it would interpret our artifacts in their natural setting. We might have to add some ADA-compliant walkways, but it would be much better than having people try to thread their way through the shop building.

-John
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 20, 2015, 12:17:36 PM
I would like to see it as storage. Built to get some of the 4 wheel cars under cover, it should be used as such.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 20, 2015, 03:27:15 PM
It would certainly be possible to put the fire car and the compressor car in the section house, at least during the winter months, and there is plenty of additional space for storing little-used track tools and materials. Some heavy-duty shelving on the north wall on the east side would provide space for smaller items as well. If it is used for this purpose, a list of items stored inside should be kept in the Sheepscot section house and in the office so everyone knows where things are!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 20, 2015, 05:21:59 PM
Regarding off-season storage:

There is room for the air car and fire car in the car shed.  Access would be easier keeping the cars on connected rails.  The cars are heavier than handcars, harder work manhandling to turn and get the cars in/out of the section house.  I think only wooden framed cars should go in the new section house. 
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on November 20, 2015, 05:29:42 PM
Smart idea "Start"
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 20, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
I guess you're right about the compressor and fire cars, Stewart. How many wood-framed push cars do we have? If floor space is a problem, one could be turned upside down on top of another.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on November 20, 2015, 08:00:01 PM
As I see it the fire car should always be stored on live rail. Should it be needed the extra time dragging it onto the tracks would be the time the car would be useful in such a case. Stewart makes a good point about the heavier cars.

Really you could probably realistically only fit one other 4 wheel car in there. So in addition to that, I'd like to build some tool hangers that can handle a bunch of tools. Also leave some room for track jacks and what not. To the left of the door ill build a small desk hall mounted desk. This is visible in older photos and Id like to recreate it.

Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 20, 2015, 08:24:55 PM
We have 1, 4 wheel wood frame push car.
 Plus the 1, all steel 4 wheel push car. For you folks from far away, we use the steel push car as our "rail car". A full load is 10 rails. #51 The 1947 1.5 ton Brookville is used to push/pull the rail load.
I would not want to man handle that steel push car into the section house.
dwight
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 20, 2015, 10:14:00 PM
Looks like youze guys got it figured out, just enuf space left for that wood push car.

Great to see:  
< Whitefield, car barn very close to completion.
< #9 also.
< north yard mostly done.
< woods spur coming along.
< TOM-north ROW work started.
< complete Kubota engine overhaul to keep it going reliably.
< dump car(s) restoration ahead.
< boxcar 67 rebuild.
< other car, track work.
< possible linkup with PA machine shop to start #11 construction.
< Victorian Christmas preps, ops.
< other special programs.
Anything else?   ;D
With all  current progress and work involved,  time to establish more Work Weekends?  :D
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 20, 2015, 10:16:37 PM
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With all current progress and work involved, time to establish more Work Weekends?  :D

Every weekend is a work weekend at the WW&F!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 20, 2015, 10:22:17 PM
It now looks like there are Work WEEKS at WW&F.
Go for it, guys. Love it.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 20, 2015, 11:04:35 PM
The aluminum jacks have a permanent home, and the instatrack could also be stored with the jacks, under the water tower. I do like the idea of putting seldom used tools in there.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 20, 2015, 11:16:51 PM
BTW -

The wooden push car is on track 2 in the car shed.  The car delivered the jigger track to the section house Wednesday and then went inside.  A full cut of freight cars leaves about 10 feet, plenty of room for a short 4 wheeled car.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 21, 2015, 09:52:42 PM
The soffit boards went on today and lumber is on the way to build the door.  We already have the hardware to hang the door so we may have the building closed up before the snow arrives.       
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on November 26, 2015, 04:03:51 AM
I have a simple wall desk my father made back around 1960-65. It's made of plywood and stained "maple". It has a dropdown front, a center drawer and a couple of shelves. I'd be happy/willing to donate it for your use. You may restain it to suit. I could bring it up whem I come for the Christmas event weekend.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 27, 2015, 05:00:51 PM
Details, details...How will you deal with the maybe-damaging floor rail gap at the sliding door path? You're probably not going to raise the door bottom  to clear the rail tops, creating a door-wide crack.  ;)
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on November 28, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
I have seen 2 different ways to deal with the gap -
Simplest is just 2 "U" shaped pieces, rail head width inside and
2X gap distance long.(or there abouts) Just laid on when needed.

The other is just flat stock bolted to side of rail on inside end - so it swivels up,
The other end has "U" that lays over the outside rail. Like an "L" with the lower
leg folded back
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on November 30, 2015, 03:49:48 AM
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I have a simple wall desk my father made back around 1960-65. It's made of plywood and stained "maple". It has a dropdown front, a center drawer and a couple of shelves. I'd be happy/willing to donate it for your use. You may restain it to suit. I could bring it up when I come for the Christmas event weekend.

Hi Kevin,

I was hoping to recreate as best possible the original wall desk that appears in the photos we have. I wouldn't discount the idea that the desk could be used somewhere though, so some other area of the Railway might have a use for it.

Steve
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 14, 2015, 03:56:43 AM
Will the rolling door be built and hung before the snow flies?
Am assuming its lumber has arrived.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 14, 2015, 12:06:07 PM
Lumber (edge and center bead) should arrive this week.  There will be enough to build the car shed doors and the section house.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 14, 2015, 03:13:11 PM
A COMBINED order for cb and sh door builds.
Now I get it.  :D
Tnx.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on December 24, 2015, 05:09:25 AM
 Kevin Madore, Your picture of number nine and the section house is one of the best of you shots during Victoria Christmas.  What great pictures of the of number's nine and ten engines.  Merry Christmas to our great Volunteers.    Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 21, 2016, 12:00:25 AM
The section house door was built today and moved into the section house.

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 21, 2016, 12:46:08 AM
Looking good! Thanks for the shot Brendan.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 22, 2016, 11:25:16 PM
Stewart hung the door today.

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Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 22, 2016, 11:53:03 PM
Well done, Stewart!!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on February 23, 2016, 12:27:21 AM
That looks really nice -- well done!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 23, 2016, 12:59:22 AM
More recycled items from the Shingle Mill put to good use. Looks great!
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on February 23, 2016, 01:07:33 AM
Now THAT is COOL!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on February 23, 2016, 01:54:00 AM
Almost time to convene the Hot Stove League  (if its installation is complete).
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 23, 2016, 03:28:55 AM
The finishing touch to Steve and Annie's new Maine home.  It really looks good and I am sure they won't mind sharing the space with some of our people powered rail equipment.
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on February 23, 2016, 03:39:16 AM
Very, very nice. ;D
-John M
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on February 23, 2016, 05:27:52 PM
Please add my congratulations and thanks to Steve, Annie, and all.

Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 23, 2016, 10:10:22 PM
Wow guys looks great!

After the track gets jacked and ballasted during Spring Work Weekend we can build the ramp leading out to it!

Gordon you are welcome. It never would've happened without a great team of people though. Great work all around. Thanks to everyone who helped and offered encouragement. You are all the best.

Steve (and Annie)
Title: Re: Whitefield Section House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 25, 2016, 12:50:18 AM
What happened to the squirrel door? Their winter lease?
You guyzzz.... ;D

Excellent job.