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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: Brendan Barry on July 28, 2013, 01:35:33 PM

Title: Syracuse NY road trip / Riveting equipment
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 28, 2013, 01:35:33 PM
Chains and binders, one box of ratchet straps, blocking, and one step ladder heading west tonight. Feel free to speculate on whats coming back east.

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Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip
Post by: Ira Schreiber on July 28, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
1. The NYC Niagara(sp) 4-8-4 long hidden in a Syracuse salt mine.

2. The Kubota Dragon
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 28, 2013, 01:41:20 PM
Ira 32.5 inches too wide at a critical spot.
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Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 28, 2013, 03:47:43 PM
More shop equipment? Another antique vehicle? I wonder what it could be......
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Post by: Dave Buczkowski on July 28, 2013, 04:00:27 PM
At least two new machines for the machine shop?
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Post by: James Patten on July 28, 2013, 05:28:07 PM
You are going to pick up a two-foot gauge Beyer-Garratt.
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Post by: James Patten on July 28, 2013, 05:30:08 PM
Syracuse is about where the Longo's live.  Must be something of Bob's.
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Post by: Steve Smith on July 28, 2013, 05:34:39 PM
Maybe Bob himself? Gosh Brendan, I don't think you'll need all THAT much to hold him down. Well, unless it starts raining hard.
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Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 28, 2013, 06:14:56 PM
Could it be a nice old machine that would help us build railroad stuff??
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Post by: Mike Fox on July 28, 2013, 06:20:46 PM
I was wondering where all my chains and binders went. I hate to tell you, but they won't ride like that. ;)  Well they may for a few miles.....
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip
Post by: Ken Fleming on July 28, 2013, 09:02:12 PM
I know!  Think build your own boilers.
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 29, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
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Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 29, 2013, 11:49:16 AM
Where are we going to put these goodies? Last time I looked, the shop was already pretty stuffed!
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Post by: Alan Downey on July 29, 2013, 12:17:39 PM
Wow. These are giant riveting machines, correct? That's some pretty impressive looking equipment.

Do riveters on this scale still need the fast reciprocating action as on the small riveting guns? Or are they a more powerful one-shot operation?
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip
Post by: Dave Crow on July 29, 2013, 12:42:27 PM
Wow!  Time for the roundhouse with attached backshop...

How thick of a concrete slab are these monsters going to require?  Are they hydraulic or pneumatic operated, and what are the electrical requirements?

I'm not getting my fingers pinched in the next riveting evolution!
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on July 29, 2013, 12:43:28 PM
They look like they could use a little touch up paint here and there
KD
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip
Post by: Ira Schreiber on July 29, 2013, 12:57:14 PM
Riveting, simply riveting.

Ira
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 30, 2013, 11:29:56 AM
I going to give my best shot to describe what the tools do as I understand them. No need for electric for any of these tools just some compressed air. Corrections welcome.

This riveter is for reaching inside tanks or boilers. The tool hangs from an overhead hoist from the L shaped arm with the big chain on it. The wheel located in the middle allows the operator to spin the jaws around in a circle to position the riveting gun and buck on the work piece. The large air piston at the back clamps the tool on the rivet. In operation you would position the tool with the buck on one side of the work piece and the air hammer on the other side, place a rivet in the hole, clamp the tool down on the rivet and work piece, and the operate the air hammer to complete the rivet process.

Air hammer and buck
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The round cylinder with the air line is the piston for clamping the tool down.
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The big chain and bracket is for hanging the tool from an overhead hoist and the wheel rotates the tool around inside the ring the lifting arm is attached to.
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Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip / Riveting equipment
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 30, 2013, 11:49:36 AM
According to the tag this is a 30 ton air press when supplied with a 100 psi. I believe this can be used for riveting or the previous owners were using the press to bend flat bar with a homemade die.

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This is a rolling machine for light flat plate or bar stock. Needs a new base and some tlc. The wheel with the spokes is for spinning the rollers. There is and old car rim welded to the spokes. Probably had a flat belt running the machine at some point. There was a much bigger version of this mill in the shop still in use runnning off and overhead belt.

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Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip / Riveting equipment
Post by: Ken Fleming on July 30, 2013, 09:16:09 PM
It looks like we'll need to build a combination blacksmith shop and boiler shop.  We will need a vertical boiler to power our saw mill.  Now, we can build our own boiler.  The blacksmith forge for heating rivets and smithy for making boiler attachments, etc.  I was given to believe that the roller can handle up to 3/4" sheet.  That's about twice what we'd for a boiler.  The riveter and roller may also be an aid in rebuilding our tank car.  The shop that our "new toys" came from might serve as plan for our "shop".
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip / Riveting equipment
Post by: Alan Downey on July 31, 2013, 11:10:49 AM
Thanks for the explanations, Brendan. And for doing the hauling! It amazes me the sorts of equipment that makes it's way up to the museum. I'm sure it will be great to have these expanded shop capabilities as things come on line, and space becomes available.
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip / Riveting equipment
Post by: Stephen Hussar on August 05, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
Thank you, Brendan!

SH
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip / Riveting equipment
Post by: John Kokas on August 06, 2013, 06:50:25 AM
Gee, this kind of equipment wouldn't be destined for use in building #11 would it? ;)
Title: Re: Syracuse NY road trip / Riveting equipment
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 06, 2013, 02:00:08 PM
First thing's first- we've got our eye on the B&SR tank...

Jason