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Title: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 04, 2012, 12:10:54 PM
I would suspect you don't want too many visitors until proper restrooms are in place.  Most real tourist sites do not expect their guests to use a Porta-Potty.  That's always been the Achilles heel of the WW&F.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 05, 2012, 05:33:14 PM
And thankfully, with this much needed project underway now, the museum will soon be able to start thinking/looking of and for ways to really try to attract more people, tour groups, etc.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on June 07, 2012, 06:31:07 PM
I would ask that the "Restroom" project be separated out from this topic.  The restroom construction is a major project and it deserves to be covered with its own progress reports and photos.  I know that my wife has been waiting for years for a real restroom.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 08, 2012, 04:03:55 AM
Many have waited many years for real restrooms, and it's nice that it's finally starting to come together. It is truely amazing how much the railroad has grown and achieved over the last several years. And with current plans for a roundhouse, car barn, etc. the railroad will have many more things to keep visitors wanting to come back. Even more so, hopefully the railroad can extend as far north as we can go, and go south as far as we can where ever those two points may be.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 08, 2012, 08:35:02 PM
Restroom work is awaiting the permitting process to go through.  Once that happens we can jump to it.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 14, 2012, 07:46:10 PM
How long the permit process usually take?

Jeff Schumaker
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 14, 2012, 08:28:03 PM
A lot longer than we were expecting.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 14, 2012, 08:38:36 PM
Doesn't that always seem to be the case? :)

Jeff
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on July 15, 2012, 08:54:48 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7251/7574269522_5665474de8_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 15, 2012, 09:05:47 AM
All the sewer pipes are in the ground and will be tested Weds. and next Sat. the 4 Ft. ditch will be dug for electricty and water to be brought from the house. after that more crushed rock will be added then insulation and rebar after that.then the cement can be poured. There's still plenty of work to be done by those who enjoy work.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 22, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
Here's a couple of photos from Saturday's work.  The first shows Steve Z working on leveling out the stone base, the second while the donated excavator was digging the trench (actually filling it in by the time I got there).  Way down at the bottom was a layer of heavy clay, which was even hard for the back hoe to deal with.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on July 23, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
  James,  The progress on the new restrooms is just great.   Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 25, 2012, 08:47:57 PM
This may have been answered before, but what will the exterior of the restrooms look like?  Will it have some sort of "rustic" appearance, rather than the usual cement block "highway rest stop" look?  It would be nice to have it "fit in" with the other nearby structures.  I love the restrooms at Clark's Trading Post. It is part of their Victorian main street, and is made to look like a bank, built out of substantial looking granite blocks, etc.  The windows have gold leaf lettering to complete the image, and they even include humorous sayings such as, "Make a deposit with us", etc.  Once inside, it's a state of the art dual sex restroom, with baby changing tables, etc. And spotlessly clean, I might add. Which is another thing to remember. Once in operation, any restroom has to be kept spotless at all times.  Nothing turns visitors off faster than dirty sanitary facilities at an attraction. 
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 30, 2012, 07:12:09 PM
Here are the results of Saturday's work on the restroom project. 
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on July 31, 2012, 10:39:19 AM
Great shot James. It looks to be almost ready for concrete although I suspect a bit more prep is still in order.
Duncan
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 31, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
I am sure that there is electrical service for lighting, but does anyone know if there a communications conduit for a low-temperature alarm circuit?
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 31, 2012, 12:01:05 PM
There is an electrical conduit as well as a water conduit buried in the ground.  I think the electrical conduit is pretty sizeable.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 31, 2012, 07:39:13 PM
I'm pretty sure that according to electrical codes, you cannot put electrical conductors and telecom/alarm conductors in the same conduit.

-John
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 31, 2012, 10:17:53 PM
Is this a rest room or "Mission Central"?
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on August 01, 2012, 12:54:35 PM
Is this a rest room or "Mission Central"?
Only for the purpose of knowing when the temperature in the building falls too near the point where the plumbing might freeze.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 01, 2012, 06:25:44 PM
Our bad.  :(  We didn't even think about a telecom conduit. 
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on August 01, 2012, 08:11:48 PM
Our bad.  :(  We didn't even think about a telecom conduit. 
It was probably discarded on the thought that no one needed a "throne phone."  ;D
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on August 01, 2012, 08:32:08 PM
"Throne Phoning" is becoming commonplace.  You hear it in public restrooms all the time.  Will you have a baby changing station, as is becoming ever so trendy? 

I'll also repeat my earlier question:  What will the outside of this building look like?  Will it be "rustic" or more like the traditional highway rest stop? 

Handicap accessible? 

And, again, keeping it spotlessly clean all the time will be the most important thing once it's complete. Nothing turns people off faster than finding a dirty restroom facility, whether it be a gas station or a National Park site.  I note that many stores have a "check off sheet" posted in each lavatory, and some employee has to check various things and sign their name to it.  That means they're serious about cleanliness.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 01, 2012, 08:37:24 PM
There's room for a baby changing station on both sides.

It will be handicap accessible, the last stall on each side.

As to what it will look like, I'm not really sure.  It won't be a concrete block building, if that's what you're asking.  Wood construction, like most everything we do.

Cleaning is something we haven't addressed yet.  I agree it will need to be spotless.  We will be able to take hoses to it if needed.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on August 03, 2012, 11:52:00 AM
accessible, the last stall on each side.

Actually....that is a pet peeve of mine. Having spent a lot of time in wheelchairs and on crutches. Making a handicapped person walk to the last stall makes things even more difficult. The handicapped stall should be the first one.
Keith
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 03, 2012, 12:17:13 PM
The rest of the styrofoam and re-bar was installed and the concrete foundation pad was poured today.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on August 04, 2012, 10:05:33 PM
What is the estimated date of completion for the rest rooms? 

Once complete and functioning, will bus tour groups be encouraged to visit the museum at long last? If so, that should increase visitorship and the bottom line quite a bit.

Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 05, 2012, 03:35:53 PM
No estimated completion date at this time.  We will be encouraging bus tours to come by once it is finished.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 05, 2012, 05:20:08 PM
Zack removed some of the forms from the concrete pad today.  Zack and Steve Z. have worked up a list for the needed lumber.  A small bit of it is already on hand.

Stewart   
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 06, 2012, 07:08:11 PM
Here's a picture of the foundation.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 08, 2012, 08:22:12 PM
Thats what I like to see. Puddles where the floor drains are going to be. Very nice. Can't wait to help with the building.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 08, 2012, 08:49:16 PM
That's because the floor drains don't have the drains in yet, they are covered over. 
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 08, 2012, 09:33:52 PM
A load of framing lumber has been ordered. Delivery is scheduled for Saturday.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on August 09, 2012, 09:01:10 AM
I tried a baby changing station once.










It did not work as I kept getting the same baby back!
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on August 09, 2012, 11:59:08 AM
Bad!
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on August 09, 2012, 12:35:23 PM
This is one of those projects that inspires the saying if you build it thay will come. But if you hope to get tour busses to come then you will need to have staff there all the time not just on weekends but also week days as tours want will want to be able to show up any time. This could be as little as three people say someone to run the 52 with a coach with a conductor and some one to man the bookstore/station. Just a thought. Also school groups for field trips thay will want to come on weekdays.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on August 09, 2012, 01:58:44 PM
We have already had a small amount of tour bus business and other special events, but always with adequate notice. I'm sure that any experienced tour operators will provide a couple weeks' notice so that we can be ready to receive them, even on weekdays.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 25, 2012, 08:38:15 PM
Zack continues to make progress. He is hoping to put the roof on during the work weekend. Lets hope for great weather.

The south wall. Everything infront of this will be an open porch.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3842.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on August 25, 2012, 10:42:04 PM
  Mike,   The picture shows progess begining made on the restrooms. Question, is the floor sealed with some type of sealer?  Thanks for the update.     Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 26, 2012, 07:16:21 AM
The floor is not sealed yet.  It will be sealed or get tile once the walls are up.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 01, 2012, 07:34:04 PM
  James,  Thanks for the progress report on the walls and porch post construction.  Again thanks to the volunteers, have a great labor day holiday.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 05, 2012, 11:26:43 PM
I wouldn't jump the gun yet about making the museum open 7 days a week in the summer. Maybe something more along the lines of how we have been doing it, such as accepting tours during the week, but with advanced reservation and notice. It has been my experience, tour groups are a huge part of the tourist industry now, however, I don't believe the WW&F would get enough to stay open like that. Tour buses are hard to arrange, and are even kind of rare. For example, Conway Scenic gets about 60 tour groups a year. Not much, and honestly about 40 of them are in the fall. So if I had to estimate, I would say that the WW&F would probably get around 6 per year. Not bad, and if arranged and scheduled properly, steam crew could also be lined up, if that's what the group should want. I would probably say though, that most of our buiseness, if opened on week days would come from drive ins just passing by, which is where the railcar comes into play.

The bathrooms are a huge plus to the railroad, and will make our guests much happier. It is absolutely amazing to see what the WW&F was yesterday, what it is today, and what it will be like next year.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 09, 2012, 09:03:36 PM
 Stewart,  Thanks for the update on the progress of roof rafter being installed on the restrooms.  Thanks go out to the black thumb gang.    Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 10, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
You're welcome Fred.

As mentioned in the September work thread, the roof trusses went up last Saturday.  The plan (weather permitting) is to install the plywood  sheathing next Saturday.  Once the roof sheathing is all set we'll put the tar paper and shingles on.  The shingles may be done during the Work Weekend.  Other things on the list include installing permanent wind braces on the corners and setting the blocking for nailers.  The nailers hold the external board-and-batten sheathing.  Interior wall studs will be built when the roof is on.

Today, the cover boards arrived for the porch beams.  Also, Zack and Steve got the edge and center bead lumber for the porch ceiling.  It's in the cellar of the Percival house.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 10, 2012, 05:40:25 PM
The windows were delivered Saturday - but to my house!  Probably because as Treasurer my address is on the bill. 

Caused me a bit of confusion, because I have some windows for my house on order.  I thought too many were delivered.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 14, 2012, 04:33:12 PM
Restroom construction progress on 9/8 and 9/13:

I have a couple of progress photos for the restroom building, hoping I can figure out how to post them.

When I went to Sheepscot Monday the 10, I took the first picture, showing the east side of the restroom building with the 19 roof trusses put up by the volunteers by 9AM on Saturday the 8th.

When I returned to Sheepscot Thursday the 13th, I took the second picture showing the plywood sheathing Zack Wylie and Steve Zuppa applied, covering the east side of the roof, on Wednesday the 12th.

Oily

Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 14, 2012, 08:13:22 PM
Thanks for posting Steve.  The roof sheathing is now done.  The next things are the pine trim boards and lots of blocking.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 15, 2012, 08:20:02 PM
Today -

The edge boards and trim boards (frieze and shadow) were installed all the way around the roof. 

The sink wall for the women's bathroom is framed in with ports for the plumbing vents drilled.

Hammond lumber delivered all the roofing material; drip edge, ice and water shield, tar paper and shingles. 

Some drip edge and felt/tar paper may be installed in the coming week depending on weather and available volunteers.

Stewart 
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 15, 2012, 09:52:56 PM
  Stewart,  Thanks, your posting the latest progress reports and the pictures by Steve show the great progress made on the restrooms in the last few weeks. Again thanks goes out to all the local volunteers working to see the restrooms to complection.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 20, 2012, 10:54:20 AM
I'm trying, with help from Mike Fox, to post another picture taken of the restroom Mon. Sept. 10, before the sheathing was applied to the roof.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 20, 2012, 11:42:54 AM
Here we go.....

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/IMG_1799_zps994d0e26.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 20, 2012, 11:45:52 AM
Now that picture appeared: It was taken from what will be the front porch, I believe. You are looking down what will be the central hall. Ladies room is at left, gents at right.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 20, 2012, 02:20:18 PM
Thanks Steve,

The central hall is in the front.  The long narrow area straight ahead is the equipment/service room.  There will be a door to close off the service area which will contain the electric panel, water heater and access to the plumbing clean outs.  There will also be shelving for storage of cleaning materials, paper towels, etc.

The doors to each restroom will be off the front hall with (as Steve noted) Ladies at the left and Gents to the right

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 20, 2012, 08:18:24 PM
Nicely done Steve. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Mike
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 21, 2012, 12:00:45 PM
This week -

- Steve Z. installed the drip edge, ice and water shield, tar paper and shingles on both sides of the roof.  Stewart and Leon helped a bit. 

- Zack installed the vent pipe and extended it through the roof so the shingles could be dressed around it.

Next to be done -

- Wind braces need to be installed at the corners then the blocking can be nailed in. 

- The sink wall needs to be built in the men's room. 

Stewart

 
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 23, 2012, 07:56:15 AM
Not much work was done Saturday due to other activities but Zack and Josh R. met to plot the electrical service in the restrooms. 

The ridge vent will be installed when the weather clears.  That will complete the roof.  Staging will be removed this week so the wind braces and blocking can be installed.  Steve Z. will probably do some of this during the week.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 23, 2012, 03:19:10 PM
  Stewart,  Thank you for the up date, is the heat in the building going to be electrical or someother type?    Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 23, 2012, 05:02:15 PM
Photo from yesterday, showing the roofing done in the last week:

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/restrooms-9-22-12.JPG)
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on September 23, 2012, 05:19:10 PM
Excellent! Thanks for the pic, James...
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 30, 2012, 06:05:05 PM
  James,  Your update on all the work completed in the pasted week on the restrooms, plus setting the grade for the Car Storage, Roundhouse, run throught track, and turntable and work on the parking lot.  Thanks  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 10, 2012, 09:14:24 PM
Here is a picture of the restrooms from Monday October 8.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 13, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
How about before and after shots.

March 6, 2010


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_22432_zps86ff9427.jpg)


October 13, 2012


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4014_zpsef5f7257.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 14, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
Nice comparison shots Mike.  The biggest changes since the last post are;

(1) All the ceiling strapping was installed.
(2) The front hallway was framed in.  This includes the doorways to the ladies, gents and service room. 
(3) Ceiling light fixture back boxes and wiring installed in both rooms with wiring roughed into where the breaker panel goes. 
(4) Outlet and switch boxes installed in both rooms.  There will be an outlet by the sinks in each room as well as one on the front porch.
(5) A set of metal shelves was put in the service room.  They will eventually be secured to the wall for storage of paper and cleaning products.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 14, 2012, 06:28:24 PM
(4) Outlet and switch boxes installed in both rooms.  There will be an outlet by the sinks in each room as well as one on the front porch.
Are there power feeds for electric hand dryers, presumably on the outside walls opposite the sinks?

-John
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 14, 2012, 06:49:45 PM
There will be if there isn't now.  We did decide to use electric hand dryers instead of paper.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 23, 2012, 11:13:00 PM
 James,  The actual start of construction of the public restrooms was during the spring work week-end ?  The progress made to date is really great, look forward to each update. The many pictures from all the different work threads shows all the hard work.  Thanks   Fredl. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 24, 2012, 07:10:13 AM
I suppose that you could say the start of construction was the spring work weekend.  On that weekend, the forms for the concrete pad were made and installed.  However because of Car 65, it took until August to get insulation and rebar installed and the pad poured.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 23, 2012, 11:44:13 PM
The battens and trim on the east  side of the restroom. Taken Saturday 11/17/12.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on November 24, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
Brendan,  The picture of the outside of the restrooms is just great.  The material on the front porch is some type of insulation?   Thanks Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 24, 2012, 05:33:43 PM
Fred,

Yes, the material on the porch is insulation panels.  They are being cut to fit in between the ceiling joists.  Once in place, the cover insulation will be blown in on top of them.  This will give the building an insulation factor of about r30.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 30, 2012, 08:50:12 PM
Battens on the south end...

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8233807204_86a8464bbb_b.jpg)

Zack and Steve planning the next move...

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8209/8233790550_3ecb22b324_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on December 02, 2012, 12:33:21 AM
  Stephen,  Thank you for the great pictures of the progress on the restrooms. Seeing the interior shot explain how the insulation boards were installed.  Thanks again to all the volunteers.    Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 02, 2012, 08:48:42 AM
Slight correction to my previous post -

The insulation value factor for the walls is R30.  The ceiling insulation will be in the R50 to R60 range.  Should be able to heat the building well with the two wall mounted heaters.  One for each room.

Stewart

Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 02, 2012, 07:16:56 PM
With that much insulation, you may not hear the train come in.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 02, 2012, 08:27:03 PM
That's OK Mike. I don't think they're planning to run the track through the restrooms.  ;D
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 02, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
That's OK Mike. I don't think they're planning to run the track through the restrooms.  ;D
This reminds me of a Vaughn Monroe song of many, many years ago - "The Railroad Comes Through the Middle of the House."

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/vaughn_monroe/in_the_middle_of_the_house.html (http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/vaughn_monroe/in_the_middle_of_the_house.html)

-John
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on December 15, 2012, 05:10:40 PM
 Stewart,  Thank you for the update on Itchy and Scratchy installing the foam insulation.  Also, information on the parking lot work, looking forward to next week-ends Christmas trains.   Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 15, 2012, 05:32:11 PM
The progress on the restrooms is really excellent. I think I asked someone about this particular issue before, but I don't recall the response. Will the urinals in the men's portion be the waterless variety? From what I've seen, they are being installed at roadside comfort stations, campgrounds, etc. because they reduce the quantity of water entering the on-site sewage systems. I've even seen them in restaurants and public buildings.
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 15, 2012, 06:15:48 PM
Wayne,

AFAIK the urinals are the regular water flush type.  Of course the newer ones use less water.  BTW the front door went on today so we can heat the building to work inside.  Also, Steve Z. and crew finished the west side battens.  When the door was on, he finished the front as well.  It looks nice! 

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 15, 2012, 07:23:23 PM
I don't want to start a pissing match here, but from what I've read, waterless urinals have the potential to save as much as 40,000 gallons of water per year per unit. That's a lot of water not to pump out of the ground and run through the sewage system. Is it too late to consider going waterless?
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 15, 2012, 08:56:02 PM
I don't want to start a pissing match here, but from what I've read, waterless urinals have the potential to save as much as 40,000 gallons of water per year per unit. That's a lot of water not to pump out of the ground and run through the sewage system. Is it too late to consider going waterless?
I recognize that number; it's what you read right in front of you as you use the product (at least in the Kennebec rest area). I think there is some maintenance requirement involving the magic little cartridge. At any rate, I'm sure that our resident master plumber has made his choice.

-John
Title: Re: Public Restrooms - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 16, 2012, 03:58:20 PM
We've actually already ordered the fixtures.

We can certainly consider the waterless types for future upgrades.  Right now the goal is get the darn thing operating!
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 23, 2012, 09:02:45 PM
Thought some may like to see the interior. A week ago, the insulation contractor, Itchy and Scratchy, sprayed the walls and ceiling with expanding foam insulation. Gray in color, and dried quickly. The pictures were taken Saturday morning, before Josh R. did some more electrical work.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4065.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4066.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4067.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on December 23, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
  Mike, Thanks for pictures of the foam insulation great job by Itchy and Scratchy. Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 29, 2012, 06:50:47 PM
No camera today, just the phone. So the pictures are a little fuzzy.

1st sheet on the ceiling. We started on the mens side. Caught Fred in action.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/2012-12-29095548.jpg)

1st sheet installed on the wall, mens side.

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Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 29, 2012, 07:11:04 PM
You've heard of the "hole in the wall gang" ... well this is the hand on the wall gang!  ;D
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 29, 2012, 07:24:03 PM
Surprised Fred didn't favor us with a song. "Waiting for the screws to go in"
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 29, 2012, 07:42:07 PM
Fred rather sing:
"Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey"
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 29, 2012, 08:45:32 PM
Mike, that wouldn't be a favor.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 18, 2013, 02:05:52 PM
This week Zack installed a good bit of the cold water feeds in the mechanical room.  The pipe coming into the building feeds the water tanks then goes down along the wall to where each fixture goes.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on January 21, 2013, 12:42:33 AM
  Stewart,  Thanks for the update on the water line and water heater being installed plus the addition work on finishing the dry wall. Some time back there was mention of tile being installed on the floor and lower areas of the walls is that something that is going to happen?  Thanks again for all the hard work and the updates.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 21, 2013, 12:50:17 AM
Last I heard the tile man was coming, but not until March.

-John
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 21, 2013, 08:25:30 AM
Yes, it will be a few weeks before the tile goes in.  This is due to a number of things including wall prep and painting, electric fixture installation and the contractors schedule. (You try to hold off on tile and get everything done that can be done first so you're not walking on the tile floor) The walls were sanded by Dave B. and company Saturday so painting can happen fairly soon.  When that's done Josh R. will install the ceiling lights. 

The tile will cover the floor and rise up the walls 4'.  When done we'll put cardboard on the floor to protect the tile when we bring the plumbing fixtures, partitions and counters in.   

The next big part of the project is to install the hot water feeds to both rooms.  Zack may be working on that today.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on January 22, 2013, 09:17:41 PM
I was playing with my iPad on Saturday so I thought I'd taking a shot of Zack installing pipe in the service closet to give those of you who can't get to Sheepscot a look at the new bathroom. I apologize for the bad quality it was one of my first photos with it.
Dave
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab33/dbuczkowski/ZackinBathroom_zpse9a96ffb.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Zuppa on January 23, 2013, 07:40:27 AM
The rest of the sanding was done yesterday and the walls and ceiling were primed. The ceilings will get painted today and the doors and window trim ordered.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on January 23, 2013, 08:19:46 AM
Steve, the restroom building stays pretty toasty with all the insulation?
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on January 23, 2013, 10:45:08 AM
Dave;
Zack has propane heaters going inside. It's so warm you could grow tropical plants in there!
Dave
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on February 04, 2013, 09:59:18 PM
  Stewart,  It was great to hear of the progress of the water line being installed and window trim applied. Looking forward to March, having the tile installed along with the plumbing fixtures.  Is there a great deal of work to finish the basement in the house?    Thanks Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 04, 2013, 10:16:53 PM
Most of the top coat painting on the walls and ceiling is done. The inside looks nice.  Steve hung the three interior doors today.  He prime painted them as well.  Window and door trim will follow. 

Work to be done in the Percival house cellar includes:  moving the existing water tank, running the new water line to the well pump feed and installing a new filter output pipe that connects to the feed over to the restroom building.

Zack is planning on working on the piping this week, possibly on Friday prior to the Board meeting.

Stewart   
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 08, 2013, 07:03:59 PM
Yesterday, Zack worked on the filter line piping in the Percival house cellar.  The filter is now connected to the restroom feed.

Steve Z. added door trim and painted top coat on the interior doors and trim.  The hallway looks real nice.  It's mostly finished now except for the ceiling light fixtures, light switches and tile floor. 

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 19, 2013, 09:00:47 PM
Steve Z. got more painting done today.  He worked on window trim, etc.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 22, 2013, 04:20:14 PM
This week Zack finished installing the propane heaters in both restrooms.  Each one has a new vent/flue to the outside, located under the windows.  The Dead River Fuel Company man came out to inspect the heaters and spec a storage tank and feed lines for the heaters.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on February 23, 2013, 05:07:22 PM
 Stewart, Thanks for the update on the propane heaters.  The hotwater heater is it also propane?  Do the propane heaters have power backup systems in case of power lost?  So many little projects to finish just takes time.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 23, 2013, 05:19:31 PM
The water heater is propane so a gas feed will be run into the mechanical room.  The room heaters are on the outside walls and the feeds will be run along the outside of the building.  They do not need a power feed.

Today, Zack installed the window hardware (cranks, etc.) We are waiting for the lights to be installed and then the rest of the blown-in insulation can be put in the attic.  Interior door hardware (closers, etc.) will be added after the tile floor is down.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on March 04, 2013, 06:00:29 PM
Propane hotwater heater will run without electric power. When you turn on the hotwater at a sink. The water flow spins a waterwheel that makes a electric spark to light the propane.
dwight
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on March 04, 2013, 11:51:51 PM
Thanks Dwight, that's cool!

Can you, or maybe an electrical/electronics whiz who's a Forum member give some further details on how the spark is produced? I suppose the water wheel drives a generator or an alternator, but for a spark I think something has to create quite a voltage, doesn't it?

 Cars I had from 1950 to 1980 had spark coils, and contact points in the distributor. A cam opened the points at proper times, stopping current through the primary windings of the spark coil. That collapsed the magnetic field created by the primary windings, inducing a VERY high voltage across the electrodes of the spark plug. I remember getting zapped good and proper by the voltage a couple of times.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 08, 2013, 04:15:24 PM
Steve, As you know, the museum still has the type of ignition system you mentioned.  The Brookville, Model A truck and Model T railcar can all give you wake up if you touch the sparkplug lead when the engine is running.

News: Both room heaters are set up and running.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on March 13, 2013, 09:24:56 AM
A couple of pics taken last week. But things are happening fast...the portable propane
heaters are no longer necessary!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8373/8554796190_f659a6615a_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8088/8554796996_dc67c3bcd4_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on March 13, 2013, 10:04:02 AM
Nice pictures Stephen,

Thanks for sharing them with those of us who haven't been there for a while or perhaps haven't been there at all. The guys have put in a great deal of work during this winter to get the restrooms this far. Again, very nice.

Duncan
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 13, 2013, 12:01:39 PM
Good photos Stephen.  The view in the top picture has changed not only with the heaters but Josh installed the light fixtures in the ceiling and switch by the door.  The lights work and are on (for testing) as I type this.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 15, 2013, 04:35:01 PM
Stephens lower photo is now out of date because Josh installed a goose neck light on the gable.  The light is connected to a photo cell so that it comes on at dusk.  The fixture covers the area between the house and restroom building as well as down to the driveway and up into the parking area.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 16, 2013, 07:25:11 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/2013-03-16_153007_zps49a38608.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on March 24, 2013, 03:22:07 PM
 Stewart, The pictures of the progress on the restrooms are just great.  The fact that the plumbing inspector approved of all the work leads only to finish tile and install plumbing fixtures. 
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on April 06, 2013, 09:36:54 AM
  Stewart,  Great to hear that the tile work is near completion or by now completed.  Will be great to have the restrooms on line for the summer tourist season.  Again, thanks to all the hard work of Zack and many others the restrooms are a great step forward for the museum.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 06, 2013, 04:09:51 PM
Wall tile is done (except for grout) and the crew will be back on Monday to grout the walls and start the floor.  I think Zack and Steve picked up the counter tops today. 

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 06, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
I think Zack and Steve picked up the counter tops today.
They're in the small bedroom at Percival House as of 4 pm this evening.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on April 17, 2013, 11:07:04 PM
 Stephen   The picture of Zack working in the restroom is just great.  The tile job turned out very nice along with the paint and the lights.  Thanks again ,  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 20, 2013, 10:04:32 PM
Restroom pictures from 4/15/13.

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Entrance hallway from men's room door. The entrance door is on the left, mechanical room door on the right, and women's room straight ahead.

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Men's room

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Women's room

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Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 21, 2013, 07:50:23 AM
Great pics Brendan.  The 5th view has already changed with some of the fixtures now on the wall and the ADA stall enclosure and door in place.  The stall dividers are dark green and look nice with the gray tile.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on April 21, 2013, 06:15:16 PM
  Brendan the pictures are just great. Stewart thanks for the additional information on fixtures and stall dividers. Looking forward to completion in the next few weeks.  Thanks again for all the updates.   Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on April 21, 2013, 06:24:06 PM
Even from here in Massachusetts, I feel a "whiz" coming on!

Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 30, 2013, 12:09:30 PM
Pictures from 4/29/13.

Women's room

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0367_zpse7c9fa10.jpg)


Men's room

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Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on May 06, 2013, 12:16:26 AM
 Breadan, Thanks for the great indoor pictures of the restrooms.  Look forward to the completion.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on June 01, 2013, 05:22:44 PM
 Stewart,  Hope the restrooms are about ready the first weekend of June is upon us. Look forward to one of your nice signs for the out side of the building. Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 01, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
Eric Schade made the restroom signs.  The facility is probably about a month away from opening due to hold-ups caused by weather, etc.  The holding and pump tanks need to be installed in the ground which requires a good sized excavation.  Right now (with 8" of rain last week) the hole would fill with water.  Things are drying out so we hope to get the tanks installed in the next couple of weeks. 

News:  Fred cut the tree that was in the way of the holding tank site and Zack has installed the counter and sinks in the womens room.  The sinks need to be piped and then Zack will set the counter and sinks in the men's room. The counter brackets have already been installed.

Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 01, 2013, 09:23:06 PM
Will the bathrooms have hot air hand dryers?  Not the old type that takes a half hour to dry your hands, but the new "super jet" ones which dry your hands in seconds.  No paper towels I would hope.

You'll also need "dirty diaper collection facilities" so that they don't go down the toilets and plug up the septic system. (WW&F does not stand for Wipe, Wrap & Flush). Same goes for sanitary napkins, etc.  Most public restrooms with septic systems have large warning signs about those types of things.



Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on June 01, 2013, 09:52:38 PM
Hey Rich,

Be careful, I may have to flag you with the Moderator about the "alternative line name" ......... LOL   Hope that we have addressed that issue though so it won't become a secondary name for us with guests....  Not good for business.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on June 02, 2013, 09:37:45 PM
Stewart,  Thanks for the information on restrooms, weather can slow progress.  Has the museum decide what color of stain or paint for the outside?   Fred L. Kuhns 
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 06, 2013, 07:55:33 PM
Zack has been busy this week. Among the accomplishments, all four sinks now have running cold water.  The drain system is not done so you can't run much water.  The faucets were hooked up for testing.  The good thing is with water in both restrooms, cleaning of the walls and floors can start. 
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 08, 2013, 06:36:45 PM
Today -

Much cleaning was done, including the mirrors, walls and floors.  Zack activated and tested the auto-flush units and water heater.  He then located and staked out the existing holding tank in preparation for setting the new one.  Steve Z. added the base/accent boards to the porch posts.   Coat hooks and door pulls were added to the stalls.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 08, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
Fred,
  To answer your question, last I heard the siding is going to be allowed to weather until fall, and then some sealer will be applied so the building will have a natural wood look. Hope it answers your question and I have done so correctly.

Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 08, 2013, 08:08:20 PM
Thanks for answering the question Mike.  I totally missed your post, sorry Fred.    Stewart
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on June 09, 2013, 02:27:29 PM
 Mike and Stewart,  Thanks for the replies to my questions about the restrooms.  Looking forward to some dry weather, no 4" or 8" everytime it rains, with new holding tanks and pumps on stand by installation can begin with dry ground.  Again thanks to Zack and Steve Z. for all their hard work.   Fred L. Kuhns
   
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 14, 2013, 06:39:09 PM
Much work done  -

This week the new "restroom" sign was installed above the front door and the Men's and Women's indicators put in the front hallway.  Also, Zack went shopping and got soap and paper products.  Today the septic and pump tanks were put in the ground, our contractor started excavating at 6 am.  Zack installed the feed piping to the tanks and connected the leach field lines.  Power needs to be hooked up to the new dual pumps so the rest rooms can be used.  Grading (up to the porch level) was started around the building entrance this afternoon.  
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 15, 2013, 09:39:33 PM
A lady visiting from California commented to Zack that these are the best bathrooms she has seen in a long time, and she had been to several. First day and they are receiving praise already.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 15, 2013, 09:55:39 PM
Yep, the restrooms are open!  80 years after the WW&F quit, the reborn WW&F opens the new building.  Today's work includes the vent pipe for the water heater, door signs, and finished grading of new gravel around all sides of the porch so you can (more easily) walk or take a wheel chair into the facility.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on June 15, 2013, 10:45:48 PM
Everyone should be flush with pride over this event.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 16, 2013, 12:43:50 PM
Overflowing with gratitude.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on June 16, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
Gee wizz, guys!
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 21, 2013, 06:18:45 AM
Work this week -

Our contractor, Jeff along with the help of at least one museum member placed the riser and cap on top of the pump tank.  Jeff then brought in loads of sand and back filled most of the excavation work on the east side.  Only the power line ditch remains.  The power will be hooked up next week, then the ditch can be filled.

A generous donation of stainless steel containers arrived this week.  The containers, with liners will be placed in the ladies room stalls.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 21, 2013, 11:16:26 AM
By the way -

We are in need of a bench to put on the restroom porch.  The bench should be in the "antique park bench" style that seats 3 - 4.  If anyone has a bench that they would be willing to donate, please contact Steve Z., Zack or leave a message on the railroads' answering machine.  We are also going to put a notice/events board on the front wall of the building.  The board will be set up once the parking lot is finished.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 21, 2013, 12:53:25 PM
We are also going to put a notice/events board on the front wall of the building.  The board will be set up once the parking lot is finished.

Suggestion: Use a good old fashioned chalkboard.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 21, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
A chalkboard is ok but we'll need a place for brochures and yard maps.  When people park west of the house we'll have to show them where to go for tickets, etc. so there will be a simple (one page) yard map with the gift shop shown.

BTW - Zack and Steve Z. are installing the interior insulation this afternoon so shelves may go up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on June 21, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
How about a nice LED count-down sign like those recently installed in the Boston subways - "Next train to Alna Center 7 mins."

Just kidding, just kidding! ;D

-John
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hansel Gordon on June 21, 2013, 10:44:39 PM
A chalkboard might not be best, as kids could fool around with it...
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 22, 2013, 03:23:22 PM
You put it high enough that kids can't reach it.

All train depots used to have chalk board train schedules outside the agent's office.  Watch some Western movies. 
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 22, 2013, 09:17:48 PM
You know we could actually put an LED display in the bathroom - it is a modern facility.  Except we forgot to run a communications conduit.  :(
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 23, 2013, 11:17:48 AM
So you put a PA speaker in the bathroom which plays an endless "loop" of information, perhaps interspersed with some appropriate "Muzak".  It would help keep people informed, and folks are used to that sort of thing in today's marketplace.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on June 23, 2013, 01:12:24 PM
So you put a PA speaker in the bathroom which plays an endless "loop" of information, perhaps interspersed with some appropriate "Muzak".  It would help keep people informed, and folks are used to that sort of thing in today's marketplace.
They'll certainly be in the right place for the appropriate reaction to that sort of thing.....
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 23, 2013, 08:43:53 PM
Today's folks use their smartphones in the "can".  So why not listen to recorded announcements about the museum?  What's the difference?

I'm serious.  Keep it light, simple, to the point, and maybe a little humorous too.  What harm can it do?

Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hansel Gordon on June 23, 2013, 10:55:21 PM
I think there should be a soundtrack of #10 playing in the bathrooms!
Toot! Toot!
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 28, 2013, 07:28:04 AM
Yesterday, Josh R. wired the hand dryers and both pumps for the pump tank. This required working in the control unit in the mechanical room and on a new jct box on the pole outside.  A crew of 4 dug the sand out from around the tank riser.  It was so wet that the sand kept slumping back into the hole. We thought we would have to add water to the new tank for testing but when we pulled the cover the tank was filled to the top.  There has been over 4" of rain in the last week and the water got into the tank. Note: Once we back fill the tank riser and power feed ditch the water will run down hill past the tank site and we won't have the leak problem.   When the power was turned on, the water alarm sounded off.  The pumps cleared the tank of 300 gallons in just a few minutes.  Zack is happy with how well the equipment works.

The ditch and riser pit should be back filled this weekend if the rain ever stops.  June has had the second highest rainfall amount (for the month of June) on record and rain is predicted through the weekend.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on June 30, 2013, 11:22:45 PM
Stewart,  I have been out of town for two weeks working on the Cumbres  & Toltec Scenic Railroad.  The news about the restrooms being placed on active duty is just great. Possible to ship a little of the rain out west?  Thanks again to Zack for all his work.  Fred L. Kuhns           
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 01, 2013, 07:46:26 AM
Fred,

I've seen photos of the progress at work session D on the C&TS.  The Friends projects at Antonito and Chama are coming along well. 

Back here in Maine:  Saturday morning Fred Morse and crew built two new benches for the front porch.  The matching benches, (in kit form) were donated by two members for use at the restroom building. 

Stewart   
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on July 05, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
Having now inspected and tested the new rest room building on both sides, Sue and I say "Well Done!" for all the efforts that went into it.  This will be a big plus to attract tour bus traffic.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 14, 2013, 07:06:46 AM
Yesterday -

Zack installed the sanitary containers in the ladies room stalls and installed new stainless steel soap dispensers in both restrooms.  There had been temporary hand soap bottles in both sides, these were the kitchen type and will be used in the Percival house.  The "final" part of the restroom construction job took place when we removed the table saw from the front porch.  The saw is now back in the car shop and whole the front porch is ready to shade and comfort visitors. The porch looks big with all the lumber and tools removed.  Just in time too ... at one point yesterday there were about a dozen people sitting on the new benches and standing under the porch roof.    

The only (structure) job remaining;  this Fall the outside (board and batten) may be sprayed with clear coat to preserve the wood.

Landscaping, especially on the east side may happen later this year.
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mark Hendrickson on July 14, 2013, 10:48:20 AM
It would be nice to see some "Final" pictures. 
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 14, 2013, 11:11:52 AM
It would be nice to see some "Final" pictures. 
See pages 1 (exterior) and 2 (interior) of the July/August WW&F Newsletter, available at the end of this month!  :)
Title: Re: Public Restroom Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 14, 2013, 05:45:57 PM
Pictures are nice but we hope everyone can get to the museum to visit with us and see the improvements in person.
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Post by: Mike Fox on July 14, 2013, 07:47:44 PM
We still have the landscaping to do. Still waiting on the ground to firm up. We will also be transplanting day lilies to the station side of the bathrooms. These are currently in the ditch that will be eventually filled. Other portions of Clarissa's perennials may also be included so they will not be lost during any construction.
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Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 16, 2013, 11:09:53 AM
Last time I checked, the diaper changing stations were not present yet, either.
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Post by: James Patten on July 16, 2013, 11:59:48 AM
I figure eventually the restrooms will get "stage 2" changes, such as the diaper changing stations. 
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Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 16, 2013, 12:11:36 PM
We also need a walk off mat for the front hallway.  That will help keep the restroom floors clean.  Anyone have a (approx 3X5') new or good used one to donate?
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Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 16, 2013, 12:15:58 PM
Adding a diaper station as a "no. 2" change is somehow appropriate.
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Post by: John McNamara on July 16, 2013, 05:01:11 PM
We also need a walk off mat for the front hallway.  That will help keep the restroom floors clean.  Anyone have a (approx 3X5') new or good used one to donate?
I mentioned that to Zack and he said we couldn't have that because of wheelchair access problems. I'm confused by that. I know that small scatter rugs are a problem in older people's homes because of falls and tripping, but I would think very large mats would be OK. I'd like to be able to say, "But the Maine Turnpike rest areas have mats," but they don't. I think further research is necessary.

-John
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Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 16, 2013, 05:45:31 PM
The newer style mats with the stiff rubber backing and solid rubber tapered edge are not a problem for wheelchairs.  I have seen them in ADA compliant entrances, restrooms, etc.  Of course if we get one of those mats it's something else that will need cleaning so maybe it's better to just sweep and mop the floor.  I guess we will know how bad the floor will get after the building is in use through the seasons.

One thing is for sure, electric consumption has increased.  With the new restroom lights, hand dryers, sewage water pumps and well pump running with increased water usage, the electric bill will jump.  We don't know the amount of increase yet but more funds will go to CMP so if anyone wants to make donations to the general fund it will be appreciated.   
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Post by: James Patten on July 16, 2013, 06:11:24 PM
July's bill (which arrives in early August) will have the full effect of the new restrooms.  I second Stewart's plea!
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Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 16, 2013, 09:20:17 PM
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."
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Post by: Keith Taylor on July 19, 2013, 02:37:55 PM
We also need a walk off mat for the front hallway.  That will help keep the restroom floors clean.  Anyone have a (approx 3X5') new or good used one to donate?
I mentioned that to Zack and he said we couldn't have that because of wheelchair access problems. I'm confused by that. I know that small scatter rugs are a problem in older people's homes because of falls and tripping, but I would think very large mats would be OK. I'd like to be able to say, "But the Maine Turnpike rest areas have mats," but they don't. I think further research is necessary.

-John

Having spent considerable time in a wheelchair....I can tell you that negotiating mats can be very difficult. The steering wheels get caught in the mat and you lose the ability to change direction easily, and the rolling resistance is much increased.
The amount of effort required to move yourself with just your arms goes up dramatically.
Of course, just getting to the restrooms over the dirt pathways will be enough of an obstacle....
Keith
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Post by: Steve Smith on July 19, 2013, 10:26:25 PM
Keith, if I interpret pages 14 and 15 of the long range plan correctly, the intent is to make the path to the restroom building accessible to the handicapped, which seems to imply pavement. Keeping such in good repair despite the effects of frost will be a burden, but is clearly very important.

The retirement community where I live has a total of--rough guess--perhaps a mile of asphalt aggregate-paved walkways that have held up rather well in the time they've been in place--I think eight years. Some patching has been required, though.
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Post by: Mike Fox on July 20, 2013, 07:26:21 PM
There are plans for all weather path ways, stopping short of paving them. The last conversation was for what we at work call brown pack, which is a recycled asphalt product. It stand up to weather better than plain gravel, and provides a somewhat solid surface for travel. I have had this in my driveway for well over 10 years, and the only thing that I do is drag it smooth once a year or so, mainly because my driveway has a slope. This type of product would be excellent for the almost level pathways we will have.
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Post by: John McNamara on July 20, 2013, 09:25:56 PM
Returning to the topic of floor cleanliness for a moment, thanks to Zack's comment and Keith's explanation, mats are out. Looking in the ULINE and Northern Safety catalogs, I've found that each offers simple ($25) and heavy-duty ($55) boot scrapers. I think the heavy-duty ones would be best for Alna mud. We should secure them somehow to prevent movement while in use, and also to prevent theft. (The one at my camp was stolen; admittedly it wasn't nailed down...it was screwed down.) I leave that problem to the inventive folks.

-John
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Post by: John McNamara on July 20, 2013, 09:33:29 PM
July's bill (which arrives in early August) will have the full effect of the new restrooms.  I second Stewart's plea!

I've been looking in the Home Depot catalog, and there are some LED replacements for the ceiling floodlights available for about $20. These take only a fraction of the power needed for conventional floods. Also, I was in a Irving station restroom this afternoon that had a motion detector mounted in the center of the ceiling. I came around the corner from the lavatory area into the stall and urinal area and shazam, there was light. Since we have access to the ceiling (admittedly through insulation), it might be possible to install these.
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Post by: Steve Smith on July 21, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Perhaps it would be a good idea to try just a relatively short stretch of path with the brown pack and see how easy or hard it is to propel a wheelchair on it, before committing. I admit I have no experience, but just have a hunch that unless the surface is hard, as with concrete or asphalt road pavement, the rolling resistance to a wheel chair is likely to make it tough for some folks (most folks?) to get wheelchairs to the restrooms. I'm guessing the brown pack is way less expensive, but.......
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Post by: James Patten on July 21, 2013, 04:41:08 PM
I've heard that brown pack, also known as reclaim, can be as good as asphalt.  In fact it is asphalt, just not applied with heat.  Not suitable for highway traffic, but good for driveways and walkways.
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Post by: Keith Taylor on July 21, 2013, 05:20:39 PM
Brown pack would still have to be rolled into a hard surface in order for it to work with wheelchairs.
If you know of any in the area....I will be happy to supply a wheelchair for testing purposes.
Keith
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Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on August 03, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
  James,  The Annual picnic is next week, will the parking lot next to the restrooms be in use?   Looking forward to a large crowd.  With several weeks of use there is some idea of how much effort it takes to keep the restrooms in top shape.  With the large event it will give some ideas of how to lay out walks between buildings.    Fred L. Kuhns
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Post by: James Patten on August 03, 2013, 05:51:25 PM
The parking lot (what there is of it) will be in use, but probably mainly for volunteers and early visitors.  Everyone else will end up parking the way they used to - on the side of the street.
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Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 03, 2013, 07:21:15 PM
Mike and I happened upon an elderly gentleman today who felt the hike from the station platform was too far for his bad knees. He found a unique way to deal with his problem near the machine shop.
KD
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Post by: Mike Fox on August 03, 2013, 08:12:19 PM
Luckily the kids that were mere feet away in front of bay 4 did not see this. And thinking more of it, if someone would have looked out the boiler room window.....
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Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on August 03, 2013, 08:30:02 PM
  James,  Thanks for your quick reply.  Today received the latest news letter, greatly appreciated the pictures on the restrooms. The letter also noted the purchase of right-of-way land. Summer is just a great time for ice cream.  
   Fred L. Kuhns
 


 
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Post by: Bill Reidy on August 03, 2013, 08:48:19 PM
Mike and I happened upon an elderly gentleman today who felt the hike from the station platform was too far for his bad knees. He found a unique way to deal with his problem near the machine shop.
KD

I'm guessing details on this story will not be appearing in Stewart's "A few Stories..." thread.

July's bill (which arrives in early August) will have the full effect of the new restrooms.  I second Stewart's plea!

Any word yet on the effect to July's electric bill?
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Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on August 03, 2013, 09:56:07 PM
Maybe a "Porta Potty" should be retained for situations such as this elderly fellow with the bad knees.
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Post by: James Patten on August 04, 2013, 07:53:31 AM
July's bill (which arrives in early August) will have the full effect of the new restrooms.  I second Stewart's plea!

Any word yet on the effect to July's electric bill?

300 more KwH/$40 higher than June's bill.
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Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on August 04, 2013, 10:52:57 AM
Not bad, considering what you've gained in "good will" alone.
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Post by: Ira Schreiber on August 04, 2013, 01:57:30 PM
Would pay toilets help offset the deficit?
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Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 04, 2013, 02:20:07 PM
I think free admittance, pay to exit...
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Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on August 04, 2013, 08:58:19 PM
Most users will have left a "deposit".

I like Clark's Trading Post restroom facilities, otherwise known as the River Bank. A sign in gold leaf on the front windows says, "Bring your deposits here", along with other not-so-subtle puns.

Richard
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Post by: Jock Ellis on August 05, 2013, 08:05:38 AM
The restroom building is beautiful. The story didn't mention the type of lighting used inside and out but I hope the museum didn't go for old fashioned incandescent bulbs. I would hope that a motion sensor could be installed to cut usage to the time of actual use. We have this in the stairwells at the GE machine shop where I work. The hand dryers probably save more $$$ than paper towel dispensers.
On e again, this is beautiful!
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Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 05, 2013, 05:29:12 PM
The museum used to pay $120 per month for the Sheepscot spot a pot so as long as we stay under under that amount for monthly restroom expenses things are good.  It will take a while to track the costs of paper goods, soap and cleaning supplies so there won't be a good comparison for a while.  The other thing to remember is that the most recent electric bill includes running the air conditioner in the house which draws about 15 amps while the compressor is operating.   
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Post by: John McNamara on August 05, 2013, 07:16:25 PM
There are some nice LED bulbs that could replace the present conventional bulbs in the can lights, but they are still fairly expensive. I don't know if anyone has done a calculation of the break even point.

-John