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Title: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on November 03, 2008, 03:15:56 PM
Work on #9 has gone pretty slow since last spring, what with all the outdoor activity during the warm season and the need to run steam every weekend.  The pace should pick up now that we are back inside for the winter.
 
My understanding is that the boiler is about ready for tubes over at Boothbay Railway. In the shop at Sheepscot the major frame break around the left front driver pedestal has been repaired, and the frame around the slots for the spring hangers have been reinforced. The new rear frame side assemblies have been riveted together. The piece that will tie the front and rear frame together has been cast (successfully, this was the second try) and awaits machining. Repair has begun on the right front frame in front of the driving box pedestal where the piece that goes under the cylinder casting bolts to the main frame had been 'working' and loosened up. This will also get a new, longer binder to better reinforce this joint. The pivot castings for the equalizer bar and brake rigging are in the process of being bored for bushings.

Major overhaul of the cylinders has not started, as they will need boring and the left side will get a sleeve. The rest of the running gear will also get an overhaul as needed.

I would expect that much of the work on the frame will be done this winter, and a lot of smaller stuff will get some attention. The third Saturday of the month has traditionally been #9 day.

If you search back through the forum topics you should find some pictures and descriptions of a lot of this work.
Our goal is to have as much of the original machine as possible while having a reliable locomotive that will pass any anticipated future regulatory requirements.  
 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 30, 2008, 12:57:00 AM
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How is #9 doing so far in the WW&F's steam shops?

Probably not too much different than the last time you asked.

Restoration is a slow, tricky business. It doesn't happen ovenight. A team of people don't descend upon a historical object and have it restored in a week in front of TV crews and wild crowds chanting "Move that caboose!"

For example, when I was last at Sheepscot, Jason pointed out a pile of parts - some small, some much larger that all needed to be cleaned. Cleaning involves using oil or another solvent along with a wire brush and determination to wipe off 100 years worth of crud. Between myself, my daughter and my niece, we cleaned a total of 5 parts in the hour or two we were at it. Dozens more parts are left - and those are just the ones that need cleaning. Many more need to be rebuilt or reconditioned.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 06, 2008, 04:38:56 PM
There was a good report on #9 in the Nov/Dec newsletter that just was sent to our members. Have you joined yet?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on January 01, 2009, 01:33:50 AM
I have tried to find info on the overlall size of 9 in the forum but couldn't find a thread that held it so here are my quetions.

what is it boiler diameter, boiler length, total length and width, cyclinder size, wheel dia. and any other info you may have.  thanks.

Tom C.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Bolton on January 03, 2009, 03:03:43 AM
Lets see, its has 33" drivers, overall length is 25' 6", height is 9' 9", roughly 6' 6" wide, and wheel base is 16' 2". Atleast thats what I have found in books. Boiler and cylinders in not sure.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on January 03, 2009, 02:10:47 PM
Don't know the accuracy of the link (http://www.narrowgauge.iform.com.au/wwf-9.html (http://www.narrowgauge.iform.com.au/wwf-9.html))

Built: June 1891
Cylinders: 10-1/2" bore x 14" stroke
Driving wheels: 33" dia.
Total weight: 36000 lbs.
Tractive force: 5363 lbs.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on January 04, 2009, 08:41:06 PM
How much weight of a train can #9 pull up to on the front and rear couplers? ::) ??? :)

The same for both ends! :P

Actually, the #9 is shown in photos pulling many more cars than WW&F has onhand at this time. Sufice it to say she'll probably pull about any train WW&F might care to assemble once she's finished.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on February 22, 2009, 02:47:44 PM
It's been a while since the work on #9 has been reported on here, so I'll start by a brief description of last Saturday's (Feb. 21) work:
Boothbay is getting to 'crunch' time on the boiler, and remaining work involves finishing pieces for the throttle assembly so it can be assembled into the steam dome along with the dry pipe. A new throttle body and valve spindle has been cast and machined. It is a copy of the original but cast with 'code-worthy' materials. Several other pieces are needed, the biggest of which is the piece which makes the right angle turn from the dry pipe up into the throttle. This 'elbow' has a number of assembly and safety requirements, so is being machined out of a roughly 6 inch diameter solid chunk of steel. Assembling all this stuff in the dome is complicated by the inability to get underneath the throttle, so everything has to be done from the top, including making the steam-tight joint to the dry pipe in a way that satisfies 'what-if' fail-safe concerns. The large lathe can handle the turning and boring of this piece. Fortunately, the lathe was moved early in the morning into it's new place in the shop extension and wired up so that that piece could get started.
Other parts include the bell crank which turns the  corner for the throttle rod and pushes up on the throttle valve spindle to open it. This part also has to be made from traceable material, and so of a piece of the remaining steel from the dome flange is being used. This was torch cut to rough shape (basically an 'L') and then machined to required thickness and shape.
Also needed is the stem which reaches up through the valve spindle from the bell crank. Again, a large piece of the correct material is being 'whittled' away to create this part.
We have the original Portland Co. drawings for these parts, so as much as possible they will be duplicates of originals.
Unusual and notable was that 3 machinists were simultaneously working away at 2 lathes and a milling machine.
I believe that some pictures were taken, and Jason Lamontagne may want to add a comment about the progress on the boiler at Boothbay shops.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Win Nowell on February 22, 2009, 04:36:07 PM
Thank you, Gordon, I was wondering how things were progressing during the winter.

How about the chassis? Any progress there?

It sure looks like the carpenters have been kept occupied this season. Everyone looks about frozen in the photos. And rightly so with the winter we have had to endure.

Win Nowell
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on March 01, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
Machine shop pics from Sat. 2-28-09. Ed and Jason worked the lathes on different parts for No 9's new throttle...

old throttle, new throttle...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/oldthrottlenewthrottlesm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/EdGatsmlathesm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/JasonbiglatheNo9throttlesm.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 02, 2009, 02:28:23 AM
The picture of the big lathe shows exceptional care in choice of shutter speed - the faceplate is moving, but Jason is not. Usually, achieving a stationary Jason requires a shutter speed of at least 1/100th of a second, a speed that might stop the faceplate.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 11, 2009, 01:19:49 AM
The boiler is nearing completion at Boothbay.  The tubes are in, all rolled and nearly all beaded.  We still need to weld on studs for miscellaneous attachments, install the throttle and associated parts, and install plumbing.  We fully expect to be done within a month- save for some plumbing components which are on order and are further out than that. 

We look forward to having the boiler in Sheepscot this summer as an incentive to make some headway on the rest of the project.

The frame work right now is held up by the need to machine the frame casting.  This piece is large and awkward; for some time we considered hiring it out or asking for a shop to donate the machining of it.  In the end- we don't want to do either as we want to ensure that it will fit properly- doing it ourself will allow ready measurement of the existing frame that it must fit, and that the design intentions are properly carried out.

Sooo- I'm now geared up to tackle this project.  It will take 6 set ups on our Cincinnati mill- as the mill is 2" shy of having enough lateral travel to do the job in 3 set ups.  We've held off due to a number of jobs that have required the vise on the mill- including the railcar bearing blocks, some No 9 dry pipe components and other. 

The goal is to finish machining the frame casting- and then resume with the No 9 work days in earnest.  The first work that can be done will be the assembly of the frame as a whole.  We'll then focus on cylinder boring and sleeving, after which we'll be on to bearings and wheels.  That should all be doable this year.

Just an update for update's sake...

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on March 14, 2009, 01:27:21 AM
In keeping with the theme of this thread, No 9 progress, here are a couple of pictures from the Boothbay shop of the new boiler... photos were taken today, 3-13-09. Enjoy!

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/fireboxcorner2sm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/Jasonfireboxcornersm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/fireboxandtubeendssm.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on March 14, 2009, 02:29:18 PM
What will the hole that he is drilling in the mud-ring be for? Drain/flush cocks? Or a rivet/bolt? Also, is there a reason why only the crown sheet has threaded staybolts on the top of the fiebox? I guess it is just how that area was built.

Rob
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on March 14, 2009, 02:36:12 PM
Thanks Steven!

I'm really impressed!  It truly looks like it could have come off the Portland Company's shop floor.  Wow!  For many locomotives the effort and attention to period detail and practices would have been overkill.  But for a locomotive with the pedigree of #9, its totally appropriate.

Thanks to all you guys who were determined to do it right!


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on March 14, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
Also, is there a reason why only the crown sheet has threaded staybolts on the top of the fiebox? I guess it is just how that area was built.

Rob
Rob,
All of the staybolts are threaded, you can tell that because they have been drilled with "tell tale" holes. What you are looking at, on the top of the wrapper sheet, are "Flexible Stay Bolts." They are a ball and socket affair and the "threaded" piece you see is a removable cap that allows access to the ball portion of the staybolt. The stays in the side sheets are threaded, and then the heads are riveted over. The tell tales are drilled so that should the stay bolt break in service, a small amount of steam will escape alerting the engine crew to the broken stay.
Keith
P.S. The boiler looks magnificent!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on March 14, 2009, 09:25:17 PM
So it begins as a threaded rod with nuts on both ends then heated and shaped with the rivet gun? I gather they use the bolt to pre-tension the construction and then lock it by riveting? Never mind, I found my answers. Now to do some reading................

And yes, the boiler looks very nice.
Rob

(http://www.psrm.org/faqs/boilers/fig40.jpg)
(http://www.psrm.org/faqs/boilers/fig41.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on March 15, 2009, 12:43:40 AM
More No 9 work today with studs being cut and threaded in the shop...

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/Gordonatsmpress.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/handsthreadingsm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/SteveZcuttingsm.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 15, 2009, 01:01:28 PM
Hello,

Yesterday's shop pics look great-

The holes I were drilling in the mud ring are for patch bolts.  These are alternatives to rivets on mud ring corners, where the tight radius inside the firebox does not allow room for a rivet.  A patch bolt is threaded about half way through the depth of the mud ring, then headed into a countersunk hole which will be prepared on the outer sheet.  There will be 8 on our mud ring.

The flexible crown stays were not on the original boiler, but are used here as an alternative to crown bars (which were employed on the original boiler).  ASME still allows crown bars- but with stringent stiffness requirements for which there was extremely limited room on this small boiler.  We also called the FRA inquiring whether crown bars are legal with them (the rumor is that they are not)- their engineer in DC could not find such a law but could not say with certainty that there may not be some old ICC rule against it. 

So the flexible crown stays allow for a flexible crown sheet as the crown bars essentially would have done.  BRV bought the flexies, sleeves and caps pre-manufactured of code material from the Strasburg Railroad- what a great resource those guys are for staples of the steam locomotive industry but oddities anywhere else.  They just want to help all they can...

In Stephen's photos you can also see the home-made bronze washout plugs we had to make.  The code doesn't tell you you have to make them yourself- but no one supplies them of code-accepted bronze material.  1+1= ...   As such we made them longer and heavier than standard bought plugs to simulate the look of older plugs and give them more life.

Boothbay has been great to work with us to make this boiler something to be proud of, instead of something that just makes steam.  We're now pushing to get it out of their hair- they have a great many other projects fighting for attention and floor space.  It'll be a great incentive having the boiler at Sheepscot Station to hammer out the rest of this project.

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 15, 2009, 01:08:14 PM
Oh-- the flexies are only on top of the wrapper sheet because the crown sheet is flat.  It is flat because the original was supported by crown bars.  We didn't want to change the firebox shape at all- to keep the tube pattern the same.  So we support the new crown sheet with an array of 35 (5 rows by 7 bolts/row) vertical bolts. 

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on March 15, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
In the first of Stephen's excellent pictures, to be clear, the binder bar for the front right driver pedestal is being drilled. The new binder bar will have a 'toe' on the front to catch the lower frame member and squeeze it up tight against the pedestal. The problem with the original was that the lower frame member was 'working' against the main frame where it is bolted, and we are reinforcing this joint to stop it from moving around in service.
Also, the original bar did not have a taper on the slots to capture the pedestal sides, so that feature is being added.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on March 16, 2009, 01:01:52 PM
Here's another photo taken over in the Boothbay shop which shows the inside of the boiler through the hole for the dry pipe in the front tube sheet...

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/insideboilertubesbraces_sm.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Vincent "Lightning" LeRow on March 16, 2009, 02:44:24 PM
wow, it looks so.... clean...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on March 16, 2009, 04:56:12 PM
The pictures of the boiler really highlight the effort and workmanship that has gone into the making of a wonderful restoration.
Duncan
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on March 16, 2009, 05:10:14 PM
Are there any methods/products to prevent the internal corrosion of the raw steel in the boiler? How do you go about cleaning scale out?

Rob
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on March 17, 2009, 12:10:49 AM
While I don't know the specifics of #9's new boiler, commom practice is to have plugs in the mud ring and front tube sheet, where scale can be washed out. And yes there are anti corrosion products that can be added to the feed water.  There are a lot of pro's and con's to their use in a locomotive or traction engine,
they must be used properly to be effective.
Mike Nix
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 17, 2009, 01:42:12 AM
One rule I got from George Hart, you don't put water in your boiler that you wouldn't drink.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Bolton on March 17, 2009, 02:54:58 AM
You can over treat your water though. I've seen proof. On the NH&I when I fired for a photo charter the engine foamed like a  :-X with the treated water from New Hope but when we threw a load of hydrant water in her at Wycomb she turned into an animal! Steamed completely different and stopped foaming. It wasnt the first time thats happened either.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on March 17, 2009, 10:50:57 PM
You don't want to drink water from the faucets on the sides of the loco tanks at WW&F. You may get a mouth full of boiler treatment.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 17, 2009, 11:07:28 PM
You don't want to drink water from the faucets on the sides of the loco tanks at WW&F. You may get a mouth full of boiler treatment.
It would, however, prevent boiler scale in your bladder. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 18, 2009, 03:00:50 AM
Eric,  You made my point.  That's why some railroads used town water when it was available.  They would have a water crane connected to the town water supply.  Clean (no minerals) water that is good to drink is also good for boilers.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on March 19, 2009, 12:01:11 AM
Deep well water that you can drink is used at WW&F.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jock Ellis on March 23, 2009, 04:02:31 PM
Gordon,
Were those improvements to the driver pedestal something they didn't know about in the 19th century when these engines were built? Or were they something thrifty Maine master mechanics omitted?
Also, I noticed in one of the pictures that someone was wearing a long sleeve shirt while using a lathe. Down here in Hotlanta, GA, my machine tools teacher warned us against such a practice and an A machinist at work told me of a machinist at his church who had a mangled arm from wearing a long sleeve shirt that got caught. I know that it is a tad colder in Maine, but bad safety practices are bad safety practices wherever they are used. Please excuse me for preaching, but I'm on our machine shop's EHS safety committee and get a little paranoid. We were one of only six factories worldwide in GE Energy that had no OSHA recordables last year.
Jock Ellis
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on March 24, 2009, 01:03:04 AM
The problems with the front right driver frame were likely because of the way that #9 and similar Portland Forneys were designed from the get go. That is, the load of the train passed through the boiler to the cylinder saddle to the frame. This put a lot of stress on the entire boiler/smokebox/cylinder saddle/frame intersection. Add in the forces from the engine's movement over the track, and the piston thrust which tries to stretch the frame, and the result would appear to be that the two 3/4" bolts holding the frame parts together weren't sufficient and failed to keep things from working, or moving relative to each other in service.
My understanding is that this arrangement worked well enough on the smaller Forneys, but as the size moved up, problems surfaced, and the frames were designed to pass around the firebox so that the frame bore the train's load. We're implementing that design on #9's frame in this rebuild.
It looks like on the left side the lower frame member may have been replaced because the part that the bolts pass through is thicker than the right side piece and the joint was still tight. On the engineer's side, when we disassembled things the two bolts which held the lower frame member to the main frame were clearly worn. The holes through the front of the pedestal had been repaired with a threaded plug which was then re-drilled to the correct hole size for the two bolts, and there was also a 'U' shaped clamp which attempted to hold the lower piece up tight against the main frame.
We would like to replace the entire lower frame member, which is essentially a long 'T' shaped piece of 2" X 2" wrought iron. However, the long bolts which hold it and the main frame together with the cylinders are thoroughly rusted in place, and we fear removing them might damage the cylinder casting.
I don't know why the old mechanics didn't try a longer binder to catch that front frame piece. It seems to be an easy way of reinforcing the joint in the most effective direction, which is the direction of the piston thrust when it tries to stretch the frame. Otherwise we are trying to reduce the stress on the two bolts and increase the stiffness of the joint. There will be a plate on either side all bolted through with dry-fit bolts.
Here is a CAD drawing that shows this part of the main frame in grey, and the lower frame member in light green. The new binder and the reinforcing plates are in red. The cylinders are to your right. The bolts aren't shown but I hope you can get the gist of what I'm trying to describe.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-10/1221509/9FRAME_11_11_2.jpg).
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Nyle Buxton on April 09, 2009, 03:13:17 AM
It appears that things are coming together quite nicely. The boiler is almost done and the repair to fix the flexing problem with the frame is well underway. So what other work needs to be done to #9 to get it back on the track and FRA compliant?
  From what I've been reading the WW&F is treating the railroad as a "restoration" , hence all work on the locomotives, cars, structures is done to replicate the work as though it were being performed in the 20's. I'm under the assumption that if a part was made as a casting or forging  in the 20's, the news ones are to be made the same way. To what extreme are you carrying this through? Does it apply more to parts that are easily visible, such as drive wheels and truck sideframes or does it pertain to everything? and how will this bear on the construction of #11?
   Just like the locomotives built in the 1920's used newer advanced methods of machining and production compared to those of 1880, today the industry incorporates CNC equipment to produce many parts that were once  cast or forged. Seeing as #11 will be the newest steamer (A 2010 production of a late 20's locomotive)will any of these newer methods be applied to it's production?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 09, 2009, 11:12:28 PM
We have tried to be very careful with philosophy, all the while maintaining a level of practicality. 

On No. 9- this shows with a boiler with a shell that is all butt-welded, but which has riveted mud and door rings, riveted braces, threaded and headed stays- all of which is certainly not the norm nowadays.  Incidentally- the contract was let out with many of these items being the modern standard- welded stays and braces, for exampe-- Boothbay should get due credit for offering these old-fashioned extra niceties without price change- as the amount of extra work wasn't completely outrageous and they were interested in helping our historical efforts.

It also shows on No 9 with the cast steel frame extension piece- the theory was not only the technology available at the time, but the general approach that we believe Portland Company would have taken, based on their locomotives built after No 9 (namely- Bridgton & Saco River No. 5).

We are doing welded repairs to No 9- in fact they are replacing rather mediocre gas-welded repairs that existed from Sandy River days.

On No. 11- a few of us have been carefully developing our project philosophy- to ensure that we don't approach various parts of the project arbitrarily.  We've got time- so we're trying to do this right.  That starts with a "project mission statement," and a project plan which follows it, that will define how decisions are made.  This document is underway- when the time is right, it'll be released as a whole.

No 11 will come in due time--  for now we are whole heartedly focused on No 9.

see ya
Jason

 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Nyle Buxton on April 10, 2009, 01:22:19 AM
 Jason,

  Thanks for the quick reply. Yes Boothbay has done an awsome job on the boiler, taking the extra steps of riveting just adds to the finished product.
  So what's next on #9 after the frame repair?

  On a side note...   Currently I am building a Mikado in 1-1/2 scale but have found that it is not quite as large a scale as would like. I have been toying around with building in 15" or 16" guage but there are few places near Long Island to run something this size. Then I happened upon WW&F and several of the other Maine 2 footers that are being restored and think 24" would be just right....not to mention that your restoring a once working railroad, a bit of history, rather than an imaginary railroad built to go around in circles. Being on Long Island it's a bit of a haul to come up there and help with #9 but if I can be of assistance in it's restoration from down here on the Island I'd gladly give you some of my time. BTW I'm a machinist and metal fabricator by trade.

 NYLE
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Zuppa on April 10, 2009, 09:37:08 AM
Nyle,
There are many ways to help out the museum from a distance. The most obvious, of course, is to send money. If you're not already a museum member, now's a great time to join. Dues are $30. a year or a lifetime membership for $300. Contact info at wwfry.org. Although the forum is the most immediate way to keep up with museum progress, membership does avail you of a nice eight page glossy bi-monthly newsletter, as well.
Should a trip north from Long Island be in the cards, we have two big trackwork weekends a year. One's in late April and the other is Columbus Day weekend. In addition to these, there's something going on pretty much every Saturday year round. If you come, introduce yourself.
Jason's our Master Mechanic and as such, he would know best if it's practical to take advantage of your talents at your location.
Welcome aboard.
Steve
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 11, 2009, 12:38:17 AM
Hi Niles,

After the frame assembly- we fill focus on cylinder boring and sleeving.  There are some other parts that we'll work on con-currently.

Steve is right on with his thoughts- there are a lot of great ways to get involved. 

Working on some home machine projects could work well- I'd encourage you to come for a visit to get a little personal orientation, and we could discuss specifics there. 

Thanks for your interest- I'd love to find a way to make it work.

see ya
Jason

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 19, 2009, 08:58:01 PM
About 3:00 today the inspection was complete and the new boiler for #9 received its 'S' stamp.

The hydro test was completed in just an hour or so, but the paper work verification took another 4 or 5 hours.

It was a great pleasure to shake the hands of Brian and Jason in congratulations of a fantastic effort. These two fellows have done not only an amazing bit of construction, but have mastered a major paper work and record keeping activity.

Here Tim, the ASME inspector, watches Brian apply the stamp to the backhead (http://plsntcov.8m.com/BRV/Stamping_001.JPG)

Then Jason abd Brian checked out the stamp. (http://plsntcov.8m.com/BRV/Stamping_003.JPG)

And finally a close up of the new nameplate and stamp. (http://plsntcov.8m.com/BRV/Stamping_004.JPG)

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on May 19, 2009, 11:06:51 PM
A great day for Boothbay and our Museum!  Congratulations to Brian and Jason for this great achievement!

- Bill
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on May 20, 2009, 12:56:21 AM
Congratulations Guys!!!

Serial #1, you don't see many of those!


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on May 20, 2009, 02:36:59 AM
Congratulations Jason and Brian and everyone who helped with this boiler.  I know how proud you guys must feel on such a milestone accomplishment.  I hope that this is the first of many boilers and complete locomotives which will come out of this shop.  I had a walking on air experience this weekend, so I know how you guys feel.

Bernie
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on May 20, 2009, 01:27:43 PM
This is exciting news! Will the number 2 Boothbay Railway boiler be our #11?
Dave
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 20, 2009, 04:10:51 PM
No, Serial Number 2 was already used for a major rebuild boiler for Boothbays #7.

Id like to see the next boiler be for the fire engine we have at BRV. Its fully restored, ready to run, except for a boiler. If some kind benefactor ever drops some money on us I think that would be a neat project.

But a boiler for a #11 would also be a great project. If we can just drag Jason a little way into the 20th century so it can be more welded and less riveted and threaded. :-)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on May 20, 2009, 08:54:15 PM
Ron, it would be nice if the ASME would re-institute the "L" stamp. Putting a "Stationary" stamp on a locomotive just seems wrong.
As to riveting and threading....when you are a museum you are supposed to preserve the technology of the past, not just the outward appearance. Now if they were building a steam boiler for a non-museum railroad, then welding would be the way to go.
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on May 21, 2009, 02:33:48 PM
Please add my name to the lengthening list of those who have been impressed and encouraged by the 'can do' attitude of the crew at Boothbay. There were many hurdles to leap, and none proved to be too high, not even the pile of paperwork!!
The display of artistry, imagination, knowledge, and energy that was required to build a locomotive boiler from scratch without too much help from modern technology shows a true dedication to and understanding of history. Channeling those 19th century engineers and craftsmen isn't easy.
A big thank you to Boothbay Railway Museum; Brian, Jason, Ron, those who I don't know, and also for the foresight of Boothbay's management for taking a risk.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on May 22, 2009, 07:50:55 PM
 Just courious what is the complete final cost going to be?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on May 23, 2009, 12:17:01 AM
The quoted price of the boiler was $60,000, divided in 3 equal payments (beginning, middle of the project, and end). 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 24, 2009, 09:47:22 AM
To all the "Gang" who worked on #9's boiler, a hearty Well Done !!!!!!! 
As one who has done this work in the past, it is a tough, dirty, frustrating, not to mention knuckle-busting job that many would give up on after only a couple of days.  OUTSTANDING  8)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Nyle Buxton on May 26, 2009, 03:31:28 AM
Congrats on a job well done !!!!  But that was just the practice round for the future #11 and maybe even a #12 (#6) in the far off future.   ;)
  For those of us who have not experienced or performed a hydro test, what is the proceedure? What pressure is the boiler brought to?  and what kind of paper trail is involved along the way in the building and then test of the boiler?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 27, 2009, 01:58:07 AM
The hydro test is fairly simple.

Every external valve is attached and closed. Each of these valves is considered part of the boiler and must meet spec and be part of the test. The boiler is totally filled with water- no air space at all.  Nothing is connected beyond any valve except a water pump to supply the test pressure.  It is then pumped up to a pressure of 150% of working pressure- in this case 210 psi. It is held there while the inspector looks around for any leaks. He went over it pretty thoroughly, even crawling under it to get inside the firebox. After a few minutes at the high pressure it is lowered to working pressure- 140psi- and held there as long as the inspector wants, about an hour.

The boiler is required to be warm, as I recall over 70 degrees, We had a kerosene heater blowing into the firebox door for a couple hours to get the whole thing up to a suitable temperature.

The paper trail is extremely complete. Every piece of material that went into the boiler must have orders and invoices showing its exact origin, and each piece must have a certificate that it meets whatever spec is appropriate. Each piece of metal that came into the shop was logged in, and assigned a 2 character code. Each piece was stamped with the code. As a piece was cut off the stock to use it was first stamped with the same code, then cut off and used.

If you look at the boiler now you will see lots of yellow paint marker circles about 1" dia. These identify the code stamp. You can go back to a file and find the exact source of that item, and its certificate that it meets spec. Once the boiler has been approved and stamped these numbers are no longer important- the boiler now has a serial number and an S stamp that certifies all its pieces met spec.

Basically the inspector had to be satisfied that every item in the boiler was made from an approved material, with a clear spec. He actually did this review at several stages during construction, and initialed every order, spec sheet, and drawing.

He also looked at every test report, like the Xrays of welds and the stress relieving to verify the tests were done, and signed.

In addition BRV had to develop a written procedure for every operation. These procedures were part of the early work to get the certification. The inspector was frequently checking to see that these procedures were correct, and were performed correctly. It cost BRV over $30k to achieve this certification, including purchase of a set of spec documents that fill a shelf about 4 feet long. These get updated every 3 years, and more inspections, to the tune of over $10k.

Code work is a very detailed, and costly process. But in the end we have great assurance that every item in that boiler met all the specs needed to insure its safety.

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Nyle Buxton on May 27, 2009, 03:16:19 AM
Ron,
 
 Thankyou for the info on the hydro test and paperwork, very informative. Does BRV have the capabilities in house to do the weld X-raying and stress relieving or was that equipment brought in for the job on a as-needed basis?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 27, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
Xray was contracted to a company that comes on site with portable equipment.

The main stress relieving of the entire boiler shell and firebox was done in Pennsylvania. Brian and Jason drove it down and waited for it to be done- an overnight process. There is no furnace big enough any closer.

For a small area of work, like in a repair we have ceramic electric heaters that can be placed on the surface. We have temperature monitoring equipment and a laptop program that collects the data and controls the rate of heat and cool.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John A. Craft on June 03, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
About 3:00 today the inspection was complete and the new boiler for #9 received its 'S' stamp.

(http://plsntcov.8m.com/BRV/Stamping_004.JPG)


Those that can, do.

Everybody else just sits around and talks.

Congratulations!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 13, 2009, 09:41:47 PM
The new boiler was delivered this afternoon.  It's now sitting in Bay 1 on the concrete floor.  Additionally, the large casting that will connect the front and rear frames has finally made it up on the milling machine, where little chips are being cut off the ol' block.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 14, 2009, 12:08:24 PM
Moving the boiler out of the BRV shop...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/leonjoemikebigdoorBRVsm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/ontraileratBRVsm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/boilerjoewboothbaytrainsm.jpg)

True story. As we crossed over the tracks and passed by Red's Eats in downtown Wiscasset, through my open window I heard a man say to his son, "hey, that was a boiler for a steam locomotive..."

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/boilerpassingredseatssm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/boilerbackinginsm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/No52pullingboilersm.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/zacksteveleonboilersm.jpg)



Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on June 14, 2009, 12:56:16 PM
  To all Involved 
Nice job on building and gettind the new boiler to Sheepscot. Now with the boiler on hand I guess it's get hot time on the running gear. Will the old smokebox be atteched before or after the boiler is set on the running gear?
                                                                                                                                     
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on June 16, 2009, 02:05:39 AM
Great photographs!  The one of the boiler passing Red's Eats brings to mind the story I heard of # 9 departing Wiscasset for Connecticut many years ago - I heard the loco was loaded on a standard gauge flatcar near the current location of Red's - can anyone verify that?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 16, 2009, 01:36:08 PM
Bill,  Engine 9 was loaded on a flatcar on the Wiscasset Grain Company siding.  The structure, which appears in the photos of engine 9 being loaded was near the present location of Red's Eats. 

Thanks for the photos Stephen.  The new boiler arriving at Sheepscot ... what a great day!  I see the boiler even has the gauge brackets on top of the firebox like the original.  It sure is beautiful.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Nyle Buxton on June 17, 2009, 04:44:57 AM
 While getting my daily recommended supplement of WW&F yesterday, I came across the mention of a "large casting" for #9 being milled in the shop. Today as I was browsing Railway Preservation News, another recommended daily supplement, I came across the same "large casting" with an explanation that it is a frame connector, to tie the front and rear frames together , eliminating stress that used to be placed on the boiler. There was also a nice CAD drawing of the casting.
  What are the chances of getting WW&F's own professional photographer (Stephen Hussar) to get some photos as the work is being performed on this casting ?
  I know that photo's have been taken of #9 as it was disassembled, and then as the frame was being repaired, boiler built, boiler delivered, etc.   Do other photos exist of #9 as the work has been progressing (that I have not seen on this site)?
 A thought....
perhaps these photos and future ones could be put together as a book documenting the rebuilding of #9 from start to finish, with  explanations, drawings , diagrams, explaning the rebuilding process in cronological order. We all hear about locomotives being rebuilt around the country ( very slowly) but most of us don't have access to the real behind -the-scenes work that goes into them.  Just a thought......

 Maybe the same could be done for the building of #11.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 17, 2009, 11:02:08 AM
Nyle,

The website does have a page for the #9 project (under the Projects header I think), but I'm slow to update it.  Namely I've been thinking about updating it with the boiler arriving, but I think of it at the wrong time of day, ie when I'm not home sitting in front of my computer.  There are a small number of pictures on the #9 project page.

I did a nearly complete photographic record of the engine before it was disassembled.  I say "nearly" because there were some hard to access places that I should have pictured but didn't, and forgot all about once the engine was apart (such as the "beehive" weld repair on the frame).
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on June 24, 2009, 01:41:19 AM
I have to show my ignorance, but what is the contraption on the back end of the firebox at the bottom? In one of the first pictures there is a lever on it. Also wondering if the studs that are on the boiler were welded in place or they were "shot"?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 24, 2009, 11:02:27 AM
The contraption in the back is the blowdown valve.  I think it's quite a bit larger than the original.

The mudring (around the bottom) was riveted.  There's a few other riveted things. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on June 24, 2009, 02:35:48 PM
I also noticed the blowdown on the backhead of the new boiler was that the original location or was it installed there for some other reason. Most times blowdowns are placed on a sidesheet usually on the firemans side. With it on the backhead when the valuve is opened to clear the mudring all the sedament and all will shoot out at the truck under the tank which will make a big mess back there. Unless the discharge is plumbed out to the side.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 25, 2009, 12:36:02 AM
The Blowdown is in it's original location. Can be easily piped off to the side after the boiler is installed.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on July 09, 2009, 04:50:44 PM
This is the big casting which will wrap around the firebox and connect No 9's front and rear frame sections...

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/bigcasting2sm.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on July 12, 2009, 02:04:20 AM
   Steve,    The picture of the casting is great.  Look forward to the picture of the casting upon completion of the machine work.  The casting will really increase the strength of the engine frame, also add weight to the engine.       Thanks;   Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 18, 2009, 02:14:59 AM
Also how much will it cost to finish the rebuild of #9?

I do not think there are any major expenses left, now that the boiler is complete. All it takes is time to machine the last casting, refurbish the cab, and reassemble the locomotive. (There may be other tasks too. Maybe Jason can give us a run down if he has a chance.)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 18, 2009, 03:48:27 AM
I am sure there are other people who have better information than I do, but I'll mention a couple of things. As I recall, one of the cylinders is damaged. Depending upon the repair technique used, there might be some additional expense. Also, I do not know what the current state of the bearing blocks is. There might be some additional casting work necessary there. When it comes to reassembly, there is certainly a lot of work to be done. Some of this work involves installing the vacuum braking system, which has a molded rubber diaphragm that probably needs replacement, and installing the various elements of the electrical system and steam distribution system, some of which might require replacement or rebuilding. As each part of the locomotive is reinstalled, there is a good chance that repair or replacement will be required. Thus, while the major expense, the boiler, has been taken care of, I expect that there will be a number, a large number, of small additional expenses discovered as the reassembly process goes along.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Nyle Buxton on July 25, 2009, 05:23:20 AM
  Stephen, Thanks for another great photo!!  Great to see the progress!!

Having been in touch with Jason I know that one if not both of the cylinders need to be bored and sleeved. I am currently working on building a portable boring machine so that the work on the cylinders can be performed. It will also work on #10 if it's cylinders ever need to be done and also on the future #11 cylinders.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 25, 2009, 12:35:30 AM
The Frame has been flipped since the previous photo so here are some more.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9%20Frame.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9%20Frame1.jpg)

Ed is hiding behind the Cincinnati, working on a pattern
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9%20Frame2.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9%20Frame3.jpg)

The Steam dome was also installed by Zack today.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/Steam%20Dome.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on October 25, 2009, 02:45:05 PM
The Steam dome was also installed by Zack today.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/Steam%20Dome.jpg)

Thanks Mike!

Sure looks nice there.


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 04, 2009, 12:17:49 AM
Hello all,

I'm planning a No 9 work day this month, Saturday, November 21.

The work will focus on the boiler and smokebox:

Move smokebox into shop extension.
Remove old, rotten liner from inside smokebox, prepare for replacement liner.
Fit and install new liner, if we can get it by then.
Fit new smokebox ring.  Fit smokebox to boiler.

Also, there are numerous brackets to fit to the boiler- to be fitted around fillet-welded studs. 

No 52's plow is on the same work flat as No 9's smokebox; it be nice to get this in and painted that day since we'll be moving stuff around to get to it anyway. 

I'd like to gauge who'll be there- please send me an email or respond here if you can make it!

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 08, 2009, 01:02:00 AM
More shots from today. Zack was busy again, this time adding the sand dome.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9%20Boiler2.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9%20Boiler.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9%20Boiler1.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 08, 2009, 01:22:38 AM
Thanks for the pics Mike.  The new boiler looks like a Portland Company product with the domes installed.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on November 09, 2009, 01:47:27 AM
 Jason,  If the smokebox with its related items are installed on the boiler in November, will that mean the next step is to finish the frame so that it can be added to the boiler?        Thanks    Fred L. kuhns.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 17, 2009, 02:06:40 AM
Hello all,

The project can be thought of in two subdivisions now- frame work and boiler work.  I hope we can carry these on simultaneously, to some degree anyway, through the winter and spring.  The frame, including assembly, cylinder work, and running gear work, is by far the larger of the two.  It's fair to say the frame will not be ready for the boiler until well into next year.

The boiler work, which for now will remain the focus of the work days, includes smokebox repair and installation, and the application of a myriad of mounting brackets on the boiler.  Most mounting brackets will require some modification to fit around the fillet welds attaching the studs to the new boiler.

This weekend's work will focus on smokebox repair- if things go very well we may get to fitting it by the end of the day.

Work should be well underway by 8:30 am. 

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 22, 2009, 03:48:06 PM
Photo taken 11-21-09

No 9's new boiler waits patiently alongside, while the liner is removed from the original smokebox...

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/danasmokeboxandboiler_sm.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Fortier on November 22, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
Some shots of the smokebox before work got underway:

(http://home.earthlink.net/~wfortier/WW&F/091121-4855.jpg)

(http://home.earthlink.net/~wfortier/WW&F/091121-4856.jpg)

(http://home.earthlink.net/~wfortier/WW&F/091121-4857.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 22, 2009, 09:09:00 PM
How "original" is the smoke box? In other words, was it replaced at some point by the SR&RL or KC?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Fortier on November 22, 2009, 10:19:09 PM
How "original" is the smoke box? In other words, was it replaced at some point by the SR&RL or KC?

Barring some sort of calamity, wouldn't a smokebox be capable of several decades of service?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Vincent "Lightning" LeRow on November 22, 2009, 10:29:02 PM
Honestly, I doubt the KC or WW&F had any money to spare on smokebox repairs..
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 22, 2009, 10:56:59 PM
I agree with Vincent. The only place it would have been able to be replaced would have been on the SR&RL. KC and WW&F would not have invested the time or money to do something like that. Just quick repairs, like can be seen in Bills Photos, and with the patch being cut out in Stephens pic. Interesting, some of the repairs they made, as can be seen in Bills 3rd photo with the welded patch on the outside. Character marks.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on November 24, 2009, 03:37:30 AM
There was some mention of a "smokebox liner" earlier in this thread.  Would that be that piece inside the lower front of the smokebox that's best illustrated in the middle photo of Bill Fortier's?   
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bruce Mowbray on November 28, 2009, 02:02:55 PM
Bill,
 Yes, you are correct. Liners are put into areas of the smoke box and or boilers to increase strength of a sheet. Usually they are used when a large hole (saddle or dome holes)  or many holes (such as staybolt sleeve holes) are put into a sheet. The liner will make up for the "missing" material. In the case of the liner in the #9 smoke box, that area of the smoke box is often cinder cut and ends up being worn pretty thin. A liner is often placed there as a replaceable piece. I am surprised that the liner does not go back to the area where the saddle bolts up. This is often a week spot where a strengthening liner would come into play. I may be wrong, but it looks like a crack radiating out from one of the corners of the saddle opening. Perhaps it would be a consideration to extend the liner back to cover this area.

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 28, 2009, 04:10:33 PM
Thanks, Bruce! Here are a few more pictures from the shop...

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/DanaLeonlighttorchsm.jpg)
Dana and Leon tweaking the mixture...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/BobGgrindingsmokebox_sm.jpg)
Bob Gabriel grinding away on the liner...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/Davidonbigdrillpress_nolight_sm.jpg)
David Fletcher on the big drill press...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/Jonathangearsbucket_sm.jpg)
Jonathan St Mary re-building the Brookville's transmission...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Fortier on November 28, 2009, 05:13:15 PM
Quote
I am surprised that the liner does not go back to the area where the saddle bolts up. This is often a week spot where a strengthening liner would come into play. I may be wrong, but it looks like a crack radiating out from one of the corners of the saddle opening. Perhaps it would be a consideration to extend the liner back to cover this area.

There appears to be a doubler ("liner" was throwing me for a while there) bolted to the outside of the smokebox in that area. Are there any pictures of the interior before the saddle was removed?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 09, 2009, 07:49:32 PM
Hello,

I'll be at Sheepscot this Saturday, Dec. 12, to continue on No. 9.  This is short notice I know- I'll also figure Sat. Dec. 19 a work day, as a second priority behind crewing Christmas trains.

I don't think it's been mentioned yet here, but we've decided to replace the smokebox.  After last session's exploratory surgery, we've concluded that patching the original to an acceptable level would leave too little of it to be worth saving.  About the top 1/4 could be used, and within that area, a patch would be needed where the stack attaches.  The box was originally 5/16"; half way up the circle it is only about 3/16" thick.  Removing this area would remove much of the original character that we were hoping to save.  We plan to cosmetically restore it and re-attach it to the original boiler- possibly re-riveting.

The new smokebox of 3/8" material arrived today, along with another 1/2 circle of 3/8 plate, and the smokebox to boiler ring.  The smokebox front ring is coming next week.  The new smokebox will be butt-riveted (per the original design, believe it or not), with all attachments riveted.  The second half-circle will be the outside (visible) liner.  This prep work will be the focus of the upcoming sessions. 

We are in the planning stages of making new axles- and should be on to that shortly. 

Hope to see some of you there on one of the next two Saturdays for No 9!

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on December 10, 2009, 03:55:58 AM
  Jason,  The news that the old smoke box is to be retured to the old boiler is great.  The old boiler and smoke box will make a great exhibit in the new visitors center / museum.  A way to explain the building of the new number 9's boiler and smoke box, plus saving a part of history.      Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 12, 2009, 11:47:09 PM
Here are a few pics of the new Smoke Box. I took the photos with my phone so sorry about the quality (or lack of).
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 12, 2009, 11:48:05 PM
Here is the other photo.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Fortier on December 14, 2009, 03:13:48 AM
Grind 'n' find, dye 'n' spy.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on December 22, 2009, 06:58:25 PM
From Kevin's pic I see that the spacer ring for the smokebox instillation is being fitted. How is the inspection of the frame going?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 13, 2010, 12:41:19 AM
Hello All,

I'm planning another No 9 work day this Saturday, January 16, and tentatively again the following Saturday, January 23 (I'll confirm that next week- perhaps based on interest).

Planned work is focused on the new smokebox- mainly laying out and drilling holes to rivet on the many attachments.  There is also work on the forward frame- though this is somewhat limited until I finish the welded repairs.

The machining on the frame casting is also awaiting those welded repairs- as the fit of the casting to the forward frame relies on the finishing of one of the welded areas.

For those curious- Bill Fortier has been machining pieces of what will eventually be door latches for No 9's firedoor.  The original latches are threaded into the original boiler- the new pieces will have feet, which will fit over studs which are welded to the boiler.  He's been working on these steadily (every weekend basically) and is proving his worth as a machinist.

Additionally- I'll be hyro-testing No 10- which will require some help as well.

I'd appreciate some feedback on who plans to attend- and who'd be interested in the following Saturday.

Thanks,
jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on January 19, 2010, 04:07:40 PM
More pics of the goings on in the shop...I've got video of Hans working on No 9's frame, grinding and needle scaling years of grime away...but no still images, sorry!

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/cylindersfrontsm.jpg)
Meanwhile Bill continued machining parts for No 9's firebox door assembly...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/BillFsmallmillsm.jpg)
Jason welding on the rear ring of the smokebox...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/JasonweldingSBringsm.jpg)
Tom worked on No 10's valves in preparation for a hydro test...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/Tomvalvessm.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 20, 2010, 01:00:41 PM
Steve's wonderful photos not only document the work being done but inspire the rest of us who were not there last weekend.  The projects are a great example of what the WW&F volunteers can do.  Our mission to run steam is the best way to show people what the original railroad was like.  The shop fulfills the mission too.   Its not just a good place for restoration, it's a great example of what the machine shops at Wiscasset and Phillips were like a century ago.  Some of the technology is newer but much of the work is done as it was back then.   I look forward to seeing engines 9 and 10 being steamed up, as they sit next to each other in the yard.  That will be a great day for the shop crew and every member of the WW&F Railway Museum.   
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hans Brandes on January 20, 2010, 05:20:48 PM
Steve,

My thanks to you also for taking the time to come up and document this project. As inspiration, I have the painting of #9 on the wharf in Wiscasset hanging at home. Rebuilding a locomotive is a lot of hours doing a lot of dirty jobs. WW&F planned well and the shop there is wonderful to work in. There is space, heat, light, compressed air, gas for the torch, tools. This should not be taken for granted or taken lightly. A good shop opens the doors to being allowed to do this kind of work. The WW&F shop is a realy gem. Yes, it will be a wonderful day when both #9 and #10 can ply the main line.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 21, 2010, 11:41:28 AM
Hello again,

We will be having another work day this Saturday, January 23, 2010.

I'm hoping to keep the smokebox project moving along- this will be the major focus.  There are several small tasks involved with this that should keep us busy.

If that grows to be self-sufficient I may go back to weld on the frame. 

The hydro on No 10 needs to be done as well. 

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 24, 2010, 12:39:43 AM
Hi all,

We had a fun day today on No 9- with a 10 man crew working most of the day.  Work focused on the new smokebox, with side efforts on the firedoor latches and hydro-testing No 10.  Good progress was made on all efforts.  No 10 had no troubles with its hydro, the latches are nearly complete, and the smokebox has both front and back rings properly fit.  Both smokebox cinder cleanout castings had their old rivets removed and were prepped for re-installation.  Lastly a platform for mounting the flat-bottomed mag. drill on the round smokebox was made.  The next step will be to drill rivet holes- I haven't counted, but I think we're in the neighborhood of 100 rivets to drive, including remounting the orignal smokebox on the old boiler.  Quick summary of crew: Joe Fox and girlfriend Dawn, Hans Brandes, Jonathan St Mary, Bill Fortier, Leon Weeks, Mike Fox, Paul Crabb, Dave Fletcher, John Robertson, Zack Wyllie and myself.  And- we had everyone busy pretty much all day! 

Fun to have such a busy shop- thought I'd share it.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 16, 2010, 12:28:30 PM
Hi all,

I am planning another work day on No 9 this weekend- Sat. Feb. 20, 2010.

I've eluded to this but I just realized I've never really announced it.

We plan on focusing on the smokebox again- finishing the prep on a few pieces, and then drilling holes. 

If there are surplus people there's still work to do on mounting boiler brackets, and I could use some help on the frame.

Hope you can make it!

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 16, 2010, 11:16:02 PM
Hello,

I'm planning another work day for this coming Saturday, March 20, 2010.  Work will focus on smokebox drilling, boiler bracket mounting, frame grinding, along with some work on the press we're restoring, and perhaps some lathe alignment work. 

We had a good day last Saturday getting started on the press restoration and large lathe alignment. The press will be used for No 9 axle work (and No 11 at some point), and the lathe was needed to locate the eccentric positions on No 9's axle before disassembly.  This was done last weekend.

Lot's of fun-- hope you can make it!

see ya
Jason


Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 17, 2010, 11:43:45 AM
Jason, is the press you mention above the portable wheel press donated a couple of years ago? If so, have you figured out what parts are missing?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on March 17, 2010, 01:32:14 PM
Wayne;
I don't know when it was donated a couple of years ago because I has never seen it before Saturday but it is on wheels and a little bigger than a Radio Flyer wagon (but packs a 60 ton punch). We moved it from outside (on 1157) into the new section of Bay 3 on Saturday. Dana and Mike immediately started taking it apart and draining liquids including some oily water. I'm not sure if they determined all that was missing.
Dave
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on March 17, 2010, 10:52:35 PM
The press is a Watson Stillman crank pin press, circa 1910 or so. The gauge on it reads up to 60 tons. We have all the parts for the press itself, and there are two extension arms that must hold the wheel in some fashion. There is no strongback to support the wheel around the pin itself. Jason will be creating that part as well as extending the width to fit around the drivers.
See the attached picture for an older (1902) version.
We found there was plenty of water and ice in the cylinder, along with some corrosion on the internal unfinished walls of the cylinder, but the important areas were rust free, including the 4 /1/2" diameter ram. The pump and check valves were also in pretty good shape.
The main seal on the ram was leather(!), in a "U" shaped cross section, the open end towards the pressure. It was in pretty good shape considering it's age, but we couldn't know if it would seal so we removed it. It is similar in design to a modern hydraulic ram seal, so similar that a replacement of the same dimensions was found in McMaster-Carr and ordered. The seal on the pump was pretty much gone, but from the dimensions of the piston we believe that it can also be replaced pretty easily.
Dana did a yeoman's job of cleaning the junk out of the main hydraulic fluid reservoir, so we hope that once the seals are in and some more cleaning done that it will work as built. Mike tackled the pump and that looked nice and clean.
Jason and Brian took the gauge over to Boothbay add determined that the it could be calibrated.
Steve Z. got in a workout on freeing up the 4 screws that raise and lower the cylinder on it's carriage.
I'll let Jason chime in on the 'enhancements' that he has planned.  
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 17, 2010, 11:59:39 PM
As for enhancements- we're looking for a bit more width to handle drivers, and a bit more tonnage to assemble some driver applications.  Usually it takes a lot more tonnage to remove than to apply a press fit- so while we're hoping to be able to remove press fits- we're not holding our breath.  

We've got a design worked up for the width extension, as well as a potential manner in which auxiliary jacks could add 40 tons to the press.  I'm currently going through the mechanical design of both the additions and the existing structural parts to see if we can safely get away with this- we won't be able to get the 100 tons at full width that I was hoping for (36" clearance to clear a 33" drive wheel tire with flanges)- but 60 tons will work at this width.  A wheel no more than 28" diameter (this is the wheel center diameter for No 9 and No 11) will allow for 100 tons.  This is preliminary- so don't shoot me if I go in Saturday and declare that the math won't allow for this work.  

Several parts will need to be made- mostly of 1" X 6" Bar.  The final product will be very handy as it will sit horizontally, with the legs side by side, so the crane (which is right over it) can easily drop a wheelset right in.  The press can then be screwed up or down to match whatever wheelset is in there.  

Since Gordon figured out what this thing is- I've gotten an appreciation for its historical value.  We don't want to do anything that will harm or modify the original machine.  We don't want to over-pressurize the cylinder or excessively load the wings cast into it.  

Our immediate need is to remove No 9's drive wheels from the axles- this press project, while valuable, might not be speedy enough for that need, so we may find an alternate method.  This weekend will tell us more...

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 18, 2010, 12:50:57 AM
I think you'll find, the way the pump is designed, it will take many pumps to build one PSI. This was not designed for speed, but going slow with little pressure increases everytime may be the way to go, and hopefully something can be seen going wrong before it actually does. Going to be something to see when it's working again.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 18, 2010, 01:40:47 AM
Thanks to Gordon and Jason for their explanations of this machine. I helped unload it in the rain a couple of years ago, thinking at the time it was some sort of portable wheel press. Actually, what's often referred to as a wheel press is actually an axle press. Having helped and operated a full size wheel press, I might suggest that this machine may, just may, have the power to remove wheels. If the wheel is heated a bit, it may expand enough to allow the axle to be moved, and once it starts moving, it will keep going, right out of the wheel center. And as Jason notes, it's often easier to seat a new wheel or axle than move the old.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on March 19, 2010, 03:58:02 AM
I think somewere I saw a discussion about removing axels from wheels and it was mention that it is best to remove the tire first as this releaces some compression on the axel hole. But I guess you guys already know about that.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on March 22, 2010, 12:51:43 AM
I think somewere I saw a discussion about removing axels from wheels and it was mention that it is best to remove the tire first as this releaces some compression on the axel hole. But I guess you guys already know about that.
I think it may have been rypn.org. If I remember rightly it was 25 to 50 percent more pressure required if you didn't remove the tire.
Mike Nix
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 04, 2010, 09:25:30 PM
Hi Folks,

Just an update on No 9 machine work- to clarify this discussion on axles.  I thought I had mentioned somewhere about the axles being found with cracks by UT in December.  With that we were gearing up to replace both of them- no small task considering the critical nature of locating the keys for proper quartering and eccentrics after the axles were machined.  We proceeded to buy material- a 6ft piece just for No 9 cost pretty near the same as a 20 ft piece- so we got the latter, with No 11 in mind.  Subsequent to that- with some experience at BRV, we had some reason to question the initial UT results- mainly in that there was no discussion with the technician about the various keyways and other changes in geometry along the length of the axle which could affect results.  This entire scenario also applied to BRV's SD Warren Baldwin 0-4-0, which they are working at down there; it's axles were also found to have cracks by UT. 

With this- we loaded all 4 wheelsets onto BRV's trailer and took them to the testing company's lab so the top guy could check.  After checking every axle and crank in multiple ways- he concluded that there were no flaws, and proceeded to explain why the error had occurred the first time.  We are grateful to him for saving us all a lot of work.  Of course, we are grateful to BRV for the transportation and splitting the visit with us. 

At this point- the material for new axles, along with material for No 11's lead truck axle (also planned), had already been sent south with Ed Gilhouley, on its way to Bruce's place.  With the change in plans, and Bruce's complete flexibility (thanks, Bruce), we switched gears and added No 11's crank pins to the list. 

So this message is mainly to clear up those details in case anyone is confused by the tidbits floating around.  And great work, Bruce!

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 15, 2010, 11:38:12 AM
Hello all,

Just backing up the No 9 day I mentioned in the other thread for this Saturday, Sept. 18, 2010, and creating a dedicated work thread for it.  As mentioned- work will focus on rivet hole drilling and smokebox mounting, hopefully to allow for a Great Big Riveting Shin-Dig in a month or two.

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on October 11, 2010, 06:10:30 PM
Now that the steam operations are over and the days are getting shorter and cooler; I wonder if any work is starting up again on the #9?

The front of the locomotive and the smoke box was the last thing I heard mentioned here on the discussion board.

Will it be possible to reuse the steam and sand domes from the original boiler on the new one?

Has the new section of frame for the front of the locomotive been completed?

Thanks for the updates!

Ted Miles
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on October 12, 2010, 02:02:00 AM
From what I saw over the past weekend there was a fair amount of work being performed on #9.  Marcel and a 2nd person were stripping down the cab to bare wood and he took the time to give several people a detailed history on the locomotive and its adventures through the years.  Gordon, Jason and others moved the underframe out of the machine shop into the new section of track 2 and with the suggestions of a new member who had rigging experience at Bath Iron Works, the frame was carefully flipped upside down so additional inspection and work could be done. 
I'm sure someone far more qualified than myself could provide accurate details on the project's status.
 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 16, 2010, 02:20:46 PM
Hello,

Planning on working on No 9's smokebox project this Saturday, November 20, 2010.  Once again it'll be hole drilling, smokebox mounting, more hole drilling. 

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 21, 2010, 05:40:46 PM
Pictures from Saturday... tune in next time for drilling and riveting!

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/drillingforashcleanout_sm.jpg)
Leon provides downward pressure on the drill...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/handwrench_sm.jpg)
bolting up the original cinder blowout fitting onto the new smokebox...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/hoistingsmokebox_sm.jpg)
Stewart hoists, while Noah helps guide the smokebox into position...
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/342468/boilerwsmokeboxwide3quarter_RP3sm.jpg)
snugly coupled together, waiting for rivets...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on November 24, 2010, 12:26:43 AM
Do I see a row of rivits along the top centerline of the smokebox? Just wondering how the stack will interface with these if in fact they are on the Centerline.
Also wondering if since the frame rails are seperated if there is any thought to making a tracing of one, assuming they are identical, to be used as a pattern should a replacement ever be required. (Rick Sisson suggestion)
Will the frames being seperated allow for machining the area where the new casting will be attached? I understand this area has been "hand worked" up to this time.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 24, 2010, 02:49:29 AM
I believe the smokestack sits behind that short row of rivets...and the headlight about where the rivets are.

Stephen
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on November 24, 2010, 03:55:21 AM
What is the item being drilled and bolted up?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 24, 2010, 10:47:25 AM
Oh that? That's the "ash cleanout blowout thingy"  ;)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 24, 2010, 10:58:17 PM
I've always called it a cinder pocket or cinder blowout pocket, but perhaps Baldwin or Po Co had a better name.  A hot water line (from the boiler) comes into it to blow cinders that have collected in it out.  There's another opening toward the top of the smokebox which allows access for a hoe to be used to rake cinders into the pocket, which is at the dead bottom of the smokebox.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 17, 2011, 01:35:08 AM
While not really announced- this past Saturday, Jan. 15, 2011, was a solid No 9 workday, happening to fall on our old 3rd Saturday of the month cylcle for this work.  I'd like to re-establish this pattern.  Next month's 3rd Saturday of the month is the new 'winter work weekend,' and we do have No 9 plans for that day.

James already summed up the work, but perhaps a review for the sake of this No 9 Work thread.  Saturday Gordon did well to keep my efforts going on machining the rear frame extension casting.  This piece is now on the horizontal mill, getting finished in the front area where the forward main frame will bolt up.  This is fairly tedious work because of a number of corners that need to be reached into and finished. 

In the mean time several of us made a solid effort on the smokebox effort- Red Heun, Bob Gabriel, Stewart Rhine, Bill Reidy, and myself worked on drilling and laying out holes for the rear smokebox connection, leaving only 8 holes left.  Dave Buczkowski and a fried of Red's (whose name escapes me) worked on bolting down brackets on the boiler itself.  At the end of the day- mostly for fun- we mounted the vacuum brake ejector and handle, along with a copy of Ellis Walker's newsletter article on that subject, on the boiler. 

On Friday, prior to this work, Jonathan St Mary also made good progress with several boiler mountings.

Hope I didn't forget anyone...

We have hopes of riveting the smokebox next month- during the winter work weekend.  One more day prior to then will have the holes drilled.  If we can get all the pieces in place- we'll have a riveting party that no one will want to miss!

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on January 17, 2011, 03:09:21 AM
The guy cutting the plate for the brackets on the band saw was Todd Musial, a new guy like myself
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Todd Musial on January 17, 2011, 10:33:06 PM
Yes, I attempted to cut the brackets, but the band saw was not nearly as ambitious as I.  Nonetheless, I had a great time, enjoyed myself, and I am eagerly anticipating my next visit. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on January 18, 2011, 01:20:44 AM
I was wondering if we could use the mag drill on the bottom 8 holes of the smokebox. Since the chain fall won't reach underneath theboiler I was wondering if we could possibly hook up two engine hoists (car). One on each side of the boiler with chains slung off each boom to hold the weight of the drill. Another thought maybe even use one of those heavy duty nylon straps, with tensioner, wrapped around the top of the boiler with the ends hanging down to support the drill. 

This is all new to me, I'm sure  you guys have done this in the past, just throwing in my 2cents worth and kicking stuff around
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on January 18, 2011, 02:40:02 AM
I was thinking of trying to use the Mag Drill inside the smokebox for some of them...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on January 19, 2011, 12:33:58 AM
It appears that the holes are set up to be drilled from the outside.
All the measuring was done and punches made with outside measurements, may have something to do with rivet distance being the same ...not sure
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 19, 2011, 12:59:40 AM
The 'rough' plan in my head was to drill through from outside to inside by hand with a small, sharp drill bit, so the rivets will be (and look) correctly located on the outside.  With pilot holes on the inside, the mag drill can (hopefully) be set up inside the smokebox shell to drill down through the pilot holes.  The system isn't perfect but the exact location of the holes isn't all that important structurally. 

Depending on how this works, we may switch to hand drilling from inside or mag drilling, somehow, from outside.  Another day should easily have the joint prepped for riveting.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 20, 2011, 12:13:44 AM
Great news. Today the new frame arrived and the cylinders came back from the machine shop. Lots of machining to do to the frame yet but we should see some reassembly start this year. Pictures will be coming soon.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 20, 2011, 01:49:28 AM
As promissed, The cylinders
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/Cylinders.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jock Ellis on March 03, 2011, 05:26:20 AM
Is there an estimated date of completion?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 03, 2011, 01:03:40 PM
I don't think anyone can nail down a specific date but the #9 project is at the top of the priority list.   Work on the frame and smoke box will resume as soon as the weather gets better.  It's been cold, around 0 most mornings, making work in the shop extension difficult.   

   
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 07, 2011, 08:35:58 PM
A few pictures from the shop Saturday. All the pieces will start to fall into place shortly. Jason said about another day's worth of Machining on the casting (frame member around the firebox) and it will be ready to attach to the rear frame. The front frams will need only light touch-ups, hand filing and sanding, because the mthod used to cut it was very accurate.

Front frame and various parts await attention.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9Front%20Frame.jpg)

Rear frame sections have been moved from bay 4 where they were built a year or more ago to the extension of bay 2. They are currently upside down. The whole frame will be flipped once it is together. From the front (boiler) side
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9Rear_Frame.jpg)

From the rear.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9Rear_Frame1.jpg)

And finally, the cab. Not much has been done to it recently, but you get an idea of what still needs to be done to it.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1225939/9%20Cab.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on March 07, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Thanks for the update and pics!

I was thinking (a very scary thought in and of itself) would it be cost effective, and do we have the rights to make a tee-shirt and a poster with blueprint design of #9? Sort of like an architectural print kind of thing. Maybe sell them on line and at the store and put the money toward 9.

They could have a completed picture of 9 superimposed over the print with a caption something like “A Blue Print of History" or something appropriate. I would imagine the same could be done for 11 "Rebirth of the Legend" or again something catchy

Just a thought...maybe a bad one but hey, I can't let these thoughts die of loneliness

Red
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 08, 2011, 12:58:09 AM
Our standard t-shirt for many years is a stylized 3/4 drawing of #9 under steam.  The blueprints for 9 belong to the Maine Historical Society.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 09, 2011, 12:23:49 PM
A quick poll regarding the next No 9 work day:

How much participation will we see if this month's No 9 work day is the 4th Saturday, March 26?  In other words- how many folks could attend this?

This is also the day of the rules review, which will occupy a period of everyone's time in the middle of the day. 

I'm not particularly free on March 19, and am debating on arranging work and alternate managers, or shifting the day to the 20th or 26th.  The nature of the work will be an initial effort at frame erection- something I'd really like to be present for, however a fair amount of prep work, and continued drilling on the smokebox/boiler attachment could commence without me.

Immediate upcoming work:
1.  Finish machining casting, hand-work on casting (less than 1 day)
2.  Zack to set up rear frames in position
3.  Move casting to Bay 2
4.  Assemble, level, clamp in position rear frames to casting.
5.  Drill, temp. bolt, ream, make fitted bolts, drive fitted bolts to this attachment. (10 bolts)
6.  Prep rear of forward frame to mount on casting.  The extent of finish work on the forward frame is yet to be determined, but an initial inspection shows that not much will be necessary.
7.  Attach forward frame to casting- same process as above (8 fitted bolts).


Concurrent work:
1.  Drill 8 more bolts for smokebox attachment.
2.  Rivet smokebox to boiler (could be 2 days of riveting)
3.  Prepare boiler for movement to bay 2, move boiler. 

Thoughts on the next work-day?
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jock Ellis on March 21, 2011, 01:28:49 AM
Is the cab 100 percent wood? give that one day to finish frame to our set up guys and they could have it finished in a week or so. Or maybe longer.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 25, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Getting this thread restarted.

Work on 9/24:  Jason and Mike worked on frame layout and squaring.  A couple of alignment problems were uncovered, aggravating but considering we are making a nearly brand new frame, stuff happens and it is amazing the care Jason takes to make sure its as close to perfect as possible.  Smokestack work continued and I want to thank whomever removed the piece of snapped stud from the connector hole as I could not find anyone who knew who worked on it over the last week.  Happy to report the stack saddle to the smokebox is now completed with all stud holes cleaned out, retapped, oiled, and the rivet holes were also finished.  The stack connector ring is 90%+ finished with only one old rivet left to remove.  Aggravation abounded as we went through plans A, B, C, D, & E and still it would not budge - next week we'll try another method and hopefully finish this part. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2011, 10:21:43 PM
The alignment issue is nothing big, by the end of day I had pin pointed it to one location that Jason will take care of. The set up of the laser was the hardest part. But persistence pays off.

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 25, 2011, 11:43:52 PM
The lazer, offered by John McNamara turned out to be a wonderful alignment tool.  Maybe we'll keep the diesel a while longer as a way of saying thanks to John...

Thanks to you guys for doing the set up and finding that last bend while I finished the day on the railcar.

Upcoming work remains focused on the frame.  The second side frame will be faced, drilled and slotted.  A cross-frame will be made to span the side frames midway from the casting to the cylinders.  Then the cylinders will be applied and the secondary frames.

There are other side projects- such as the stack project- proceeding as well. 

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 05, 2011, 07:29:34 PM
(http://stephenhussar.smugmug.com/photos/i-TbHLJPt/0/L/i-TbHLJPt-L.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 06, 2011, 12:34:32 AM
Images were taken at the end of the day Monday, October 31st. Yes, I was there on a Monday! :P

(http://stephenhussar.smugmug.com/photos/i-h5Mf4MQ/0/L/i-h5Mf4MQ-L.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2011, 12:23:39 AM
Not exactly the same angle as Stephen's, but close. See what has been done.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/100_2916.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 29, 2012, 01:26:43 AM
Jason continues to make progress. He is doing the tedious job of boring the holes pictured to the proper size, by hand. This is his last hole he has to do for this particular step that is pictured below.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/100_3062.jpg)

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 04, 2012, 11:23:50 PM
From today, but representative of the work we did yesterday.

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/9-frame-on-side.JPG)

Jason, Paul, Rick and Steve working on #9.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 06, 2012, 03:06:17 AM
Now that the guys are out of the way.....

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3129.jpg)

I have more photos of other parts of the frame. If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll post them.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on March 06, 2012, 03:31:25 AM
Here's a different view from the end of the day Sunday.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 07, 2012, 12:51:46 AM
I figured I'd get a few shots. Once the frame is complete, some parts will be harder to see.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3130.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3131.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3132.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3133.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3134.jpg)


These are some temporary braces to keep the frame true while separated from the rear frame.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3135.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on March 08, 2012, 12:52:46 PM
Someone asked for an image of No 9's builder's plate, not sure who that was, but here it is:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7045/6964128573_f5f9799b23_b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on March 08, 2012, 04:45:19 PM
Is that the real plate, or a replica?

Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 08, 2012, 05:02:02 PM
It's a replica.  The real plate no longer exists.  I believe the plate for #621 (ie, SRRR #4) does exist, and a copy was made of that, the "1" removed and another "2" added and a casting made of that.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 11, 2012, 01:01:49 AM
The rear Frame was flipped and set onto the rear truck today. One of the mine car frames was used to hold up the front.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3156.jpg)



Then it was switched to Bay one, right behind the boiler.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3157.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 25, 2012, 12:08:27 AM
We made good progress today. Lifted the boiler 3 feet in the air. Only 3 feet you say? Wait until you see the photos. It is a long way off the floor. Great teamwork, planning and discussions about the lift as we did it really made it work. And we did it safely.
   Rick and Paul will continue tomorrow with Jason, and should be able to finish getting the rear frame in place around the boiler. This will also be blocked up to the boiler.
 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Rick Sisson on March 26, 2012, 01:42:54 AM
Some photos from this weekend (hope this works!):

Mike grinding off bolt heads insdie the rear frame using the rail saw (Saturday morning).
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/ricksisson/WWF_20120324/DSCN0195.jpg)

Jacking the rear frame upward (Saturday afternoon).
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/ricksisson/WWF_20120324/DSCN0203.jpg)

Jason grinding stubborn bolt heads inside the rear frame (inside the firebox) (Sunday morning).
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/ricksisson/WWF_20120324/DSCN0210.jpg)

The rear frame is finally positioned, the boiler is cross leveled, and the saddle position is located in the smokebox (Sunday afternoon).
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/ricksisson/WWF_20120324/DSCN0219.jpg)

We're glad to have this work behind us!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 26, 2012, 02:42:02 AM
I don't quite understand. The pictures are great, and I understand that the bolt heads were a clearance problem, but how can one maintain the functionality of the bolts if the heads are ground off? Are the threads of the bolts the major element of their functionality? Are the bolt heads only reduced in size rather than completely eliminated?

-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 26, 2012, 11:16:30 AM
The bolts are fitted with countersunk heads; only the first 1/3 of the thickness of the bolt head was needed for the countersunk depth in the frame, so the remaining head thickness protruded annoyingly into the space left for the firebox.  These heads would have cleared the boiler plate itself, but not the mud ring rivets.  In the end, thanks to the cleverness of Saturday's jacking crew, Mike, Rick and Paul, the only protrusions needing trimming were these bolt heads.  Going into the weekend, I fully expected a lot more trimming to be necessary than what these guys were able to get away with. 

It's a lot of fun to see parts coming together.  The forward frame should follow within a few weeks.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on March 26, 2012, 05:17:33 PM
Seeing as I still don't know how to get the pictures to show in the post (I will get Rick to tell me tonight) here are links to a couple other pictures on Photobucket. No matter what for #9 and those of us involved this was an "uplifting" weekend!
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/SlidingRearFrameFwd3-24.jpg)
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Differentapproach13-25.jpg)
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/TrimingBoltHdsfromdifferentdirection3-25.jpg)
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Everythinginplaceandleveled3-25.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on March 26, 2012, 05:28:21 PM
At the end of the day on Sunday as the pictures show the rear frame is in place. But in addition the rear frame  and boiler were leveled both front to back and side to side. So all is in place. Rick and Jason established the ceterline of the smokebox as well as the front to back position of the "saddle". I believe today (Monday 3-26) Jason was going to continue with establishing the position for the bolts that attach the saddle to the smokebox along with the cutout for the steam and exhaust ports.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on March 27, 2012, 10:52:59 PM
Scenes from Monday, March 26th, 2012

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6120/6876117480_5d876cd436_b.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6107/6876015510_3ece593e3d_b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on April 08, 2012, 02:34:59 AM
No 9 and forward frame reunited...

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5040/7055421757_b6cc8f8017_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5112/6909332266_d8486bc04f_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5195/7055422063_554559ca3a_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5454/6909332326_50c94bb2d8_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5038/6909332398_30f9b3fe23_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7251/6909332080_6fb1e5c4ba_b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 08, 2012, 11:44:28 AM
Great photographs Stephen, thanks for posting them.  It's nice to see how the frame was moved.  I missed it, working at AC all day.

Stewart
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 25, 2012, 12:30:01 AM
Been meaning to mention that Marcel has been spending a fair amount of time in the last 6 or so months scraping paint off the cab.  His goal is to start painting soon, because the paint requires a certain temperature to cure, which is only available in the summer.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 25, 2012, 02:12:56 PM
We are cautiously hopeful to have #9 running by this time next year.  Notice the underlined words - we cannot promise to have it out by then, but things are looking like it's possible.

There's still lots left to do: cab painting and repair, drive wheel installation (including shoes, wedges, boxes, etc), tramming, all the little parts and pieces have to get put back on the frame, tank repair (if needed), prep and installation, ashpan, steam chest and valve work, pistons, brakes, vacuum brake apparatus, steam piping, water piping, and there's probably more I'm not thinking of.  I should take a photo of the shelves in the machine shop which have all of #9's parts, which would give everyone an idea of how much there is still to do.  When the shelves are empty, the end will be near! (of course the shelves will then get filled with something else.)

This whole process has been greatly accelerated by Jason being able to spend 1 day a week on the project - not just work, but management of the project so that other volunteers can be productive when they show up.  This was made possible last year by two generous people, and thankfully both of these have stepped up to the plate again and re-funded his employment.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 26, 2012, 12:42:40 AM
Here's some photos of the #9 stuff on the shelf, taken last year.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 26, 2012, 12:13:31 PM
Another reason we hope to have #9 in steam next year is that 2013 will be the 80th anniversary of the last time she ran on the WW&F in 1933.

Stewart
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Thor Windbergs on July 27, 2012, 04:55:07 AM
Hello There Narrow Minded People in Maine,

The restoration work on the No.9 is very impressive, for all the integration of planning, reverse engineering and modern engineering and adaption all being pushed through with mostly volunteer labour.

Here in Germany were are also involved in extensive restoration of 60cm Locomotives and are going in new directions with fabricating new boilers completely from weldments that look like a patchwork instead of the classic boiler plates that were formed on large presses with dies such as throught sheets. I would like to see some more detailed pictures of the boiler firebox inside and out before it gets covered up with cab and lagging. Are there drawings or experts that I could exchange with, I know the boiler was done in Booth Bay but who did the engineering and design, was the boiler certified to ASME or local Maine Boiler Code since WW&F is not an instate railroad?

It would also be interesting to see a few more details about the new frame spreader around the firebox.

Thanks guys, keep up the good work. I am already preparing my family for a family vacation to Maine Narrow Gauge country in 2016 for the Convention, by then my son will be 5.5 years old and should get a kick out of it, but I might need help from the locals to find activites to interest my wife...happy wife makes for fun vacation...

cheers
Colorado Narrow Gauger in German Exile
Thor
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on July 30, 2012, 11:00:08 PM
Great thread...You Guys Rock!    Nice job!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on August 30, 2012, 08:10:01 PM
Keep up the great work on #9. I can see the engine is (slowly) coming back together. Are they any hopes that #9 will be completed for her 80th Anniversary next year? If not likely then I understand that these things take a lot of time and money to restore. Keep up the good work. :)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on September 18, 2012, 10:48:53 PM
Photos from Keith Taylor. Thanks, Keith!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8298/8001264510_d33ef1f7c9_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8435/8001265268_05617caf16_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8031/8001265918_06b1c873bc_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/8001266512_82dacc56fe_b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 19, 2012, 02:06:26 AM
Keith, re the top picture: I puzzled over why the length of square tubing looked like it had been sliced through, then soldered back together a tad off center. Finally realized it's an optical effect caused by the crossing of a tram wire between the tubing and the camera.

Thanks, Stephen for getting these on the Forum.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 19, 2012, 02:10:35 AM
Hello all,

The pictures taken by Keith and posted by Stephen show our tramming jig, used to create layout marks on the unfinished shoes and wedges, indicating precisely what dimension to machine them to in order to properly align the drive wheel axles.

The axles must be aligned first and foremost to each other, being parallel and in line.  Secondly, they must be in line with the center of force from the cylinders.  They should also be aligned with the long axis of the locomotive- in this case defined as the rear truck center pivot.  

These measurements are chiefly based upon tram lines- 0.012" diameter music wire provided by Keith Taylor- running horizontally through each cylinder bore all the way to the rear beam.  These lines are aligned vertically and horizontally with the bore, centered on the truck pivot at the back end.  This part of the process is a standard approach in establishing an average locomotive centerline.

The next part was an innovation we came about through Keith- from a friend of his who had made such a rig some years ago for SP locomotive 2472- a pacific based in California.  After chatting with this fellow, Don Michelleti, and reading the source of the original idea-- an old International Correspondence School handbook on Shoes and Wedges (sent to me by Don)-- we set out to design our own, two-foot gauge version.  For lack of a better term, we've all been calling it the "whirly-gig."

The traditional method here involves framing squares, straight edges, and 6 hands at once.  Our whirlygig offers several advantages- all stemming from the fact that once the rotating arm is aligned perfectly square to the tram lines, it can perform all the tram layout functions with only slight changes in configuration.

The photos as shown were taken yesterday- just before the whirly-gig was ready for use.  Today I finished the set up, aligned the rotating arm and made the first layout marks for the rear driver.  It's a lot of fun.

In prep for this, Gordon Cook spent much of Saturday arranging and aligning the music wire tram lines- a task in itself.  

Regards,
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on September 19, 2012, 02:36:39 AM
Amazing.....
...it all looks so,.. so....   
... CLEAN! :o   ;)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on September 19, 2012, 02:51:32 AM
Thanks, Jason!

-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 11, 2012, 01:23:12 AM
A picture from the end of the work weekend, with the floor frame in place.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 11, 2012, 10:40:44 AM
Hey James,  any chance of a picture of the installed stack as well?

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 11, 2012, 12:06:17 PM
Jason,

How about these?

Dave

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/WWF%20Work%20Weekend%20Oct%202012/CopyofNo9progressmid-day100712.jpg)

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/WWF%20Work%20Weekend%20Oct%202012/CopyofStackmountedon9100612.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on October 11, 2012, 01:43:41 PM
Excellent! Thanks, Dave.

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 11, 2012, 03:13:39 PM
Thanks, Stephen.  You were definitely missed.  However, your night photo shoots would have been rained out!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on October 11, 2012, 03:25:00 PM
If we could get a half ton of coal, we could have a Harvest moon train ride!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 14, 2012, 12:01:17 AM
Candid Courtney took this for me Saturday of the work weekend, Oct. 6th.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4010_zps8e56e586.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 22, 2012, 11:39:20 PM
Johnathan St. Mary asked me to post these from today. He writes:
"Jason asked the the attached pics get to the forum under the #9 thread.  It took all day, primarily making new fixtures for the big lathe, to get the main driver set from #9 onto the lathe, ready for the work needed on the journals.  Jason can explain better than I."
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 23, 2012, 12:39:43 AM
Hello All,

It seems that there are a myriad of small steps in order to accomplish one medium step that, with other steps, allows you to accomplish something noteworthy.  It occurred to us today that we should make a stronger effort on reporting some of our day by day efforts on No 9, and talk about some of those small steps.

We last reported on tramming efforts.  The result there were a series of reference marks laid out all over the shoes and wedges which allow us to know precisely where to finish machine the same.  The marks themselves don't, however, directly indicate where to machine- instead, the tramming allows us to know the exact distance from the centerline of the cylinders to the reference mark on each shoe.  To know where to machine the shoe- we must know the design distance from the cylinder centerline to the axle centerline (that's easy-- from the Portland Company elevation drawing), and then subract off the distance from the axle centerline, in the bearing box, to the side of the bearing box that wears on the shoe.  Here we have a snag...

In an ideal world, the axle is centered in the box- but we are using old crown brasses (bearings) that must be re-bored to the new journal diameter.  Once that is done, we can measure the dimension previously spoken of.  Ok-- off to re-bore the crown brasses.  But wait... the journals haven't been trued up yet. 

Well, we have a big lathe to true the journals-- simple.  A couple of years ago, Bruce Mowbray corrected a head stock alignment problem on the lathe- a big project but now we should be ready to go.  Except that the tool post riser is cobbled up and has caused grief in the past.  So another little project-- Ed Gilhooley gets all the dimensions, makes a pattern- we have it cast, Ed machines it and voila-- 3 months later, we have a proper tool post riser.  Special credit to Keith for suggesting Loc-Tite to retain our centerbolt, which saved a few more steps.

Our drivers should go right in- except that we first have to make a center to go in the chuck.  That was this morning.  Just after lunch we discover that the tailstock center won't receive our live center-- someone (a long time ago) had bored the sleeve a little too big for standard Morse Taper 4.  A little more searching brought us to another tool holder, which after some modification, finally received the live center.  Up go the wheels.  Now we need only find a way to drive the crank pin, so the wheel turns with the lathe chuck without lost motion, and to modify our tooling so it reaches in to the journal without getting whacked by an eccentric going by. 

Then we'll turn and roll the journals.  Then we'll bore the crown brasses.  Then we'll fit the brasses to the journals and restore the oil grooves.  Then we'll measure the boxes to obtain the axle-to-wear-face dimension.  Then we'll do our math on where to machine the shoes and wedges.  Then we'll machine the shoes and wedges.  Then we'll put it all together!  (Except for the 15 other steps I've forgotten to mention here).

Please understand that this is not a long complaint; on the contrary this work is a lot of fun and is very rewarding.  Working through the various problems and working on re-assembling a machine that was last assembled in 1891 can't be beat.  We felt, though, that it'd be worth sharing a little of the day-to-day for the "masses" to enjoy.  Hope you enjoyed!

In other (but equally important) efforts, Eric Schade has spent the last couple weeks finishing up the deck frame project started at Work Weekend by Dave Crow and crew.  Leon Weeks has been working on, and test-fit today, stand-off rings that will hold the boiler jacket at the correct distance from the boiler shell.  Also, Gordon C. has been working on getting or tram reference numbers into some reasonable sort of order, while Jonathan St. Mary has been spending Mondays helping me with a number of No 9 mini-projects.  Ira Schreiber got a great start mounting the hand brake shaft, as well.

I hope I didn't forget to much; questions are welcome.
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on October 23, 2012, 10:33:50 AM
Well done all! And Jason, thank you for explaining this fraction of the overall restoration process.
The unititiated often chastise restoration efforts -complaining that they're taking too long. We often hear the
term "can of worms" used to describe a comprehensive rebuild, but most people just don't undertstand
that practically every square centimeter of the machine needs attention...and that takes more than time,
it takes incredible patience and persistence. We are SO fortunate to have such talented people
in our midst who love this type of work!

Stephen
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 23, 2012, 11:17:31 PM
Right on, Stephen! And thanks so much, Jason, for taking the time from your busy schedule to fill us in.

The description also makes it clear why it is well to refrain from announcing any specific target dates for completion of this or that step along the way.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 16, 2012, 01:49:14 PM
This week #9's entire frame got attention.  The main frame had been prime painted two weeks ago and the paint set up well.  Warm weather allowed the finish coat to be applied on Monday.  The main frame is now gloss black.  Much planning went into the frame project.  Jason researched paints and got special metal paint plus a can of hardening agent.  Mixing the paint is a bit tricky but the agent sets the paint up faster and hardens the finish.  It's good to see part of the locomotive with the final coat of paint.

Later in the week the tail frame was cleaned and prime painted.  The paint set up well in the warm temperatures.  If there are any more warm days we may try to apply the finish coat to the tail frame but the days are getting short so this part of the job probably won't happen until #9 is moved into the machine shop.

Stewart   
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on December 01, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
Jonathan and Jason with No 9's drivers turning on the big lathe...

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8233792626_7e0b6f9f42_b.jpg)

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 01, 2012, 04:21:52 AM
Wonderful shot, Stephen. Thanks!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 02, 2012, 01:18:27 AM
what can barely be seen is the counterweight counterweight spinning around. No, it is not a typo. Jason and Johnathan had to make a weight to counter weigh the drivers counterweight. They were trying to balance the wheels to get the center to turn true. It worked.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 04, 2012, 03:06:41 AM
Will try to post a picture taken today showing the clamped on counterweight Mike referred to in the previous post.

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/WWandF%20Dec%203%202012/IMG_1843_zps079d6065.jpg)

 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 04, 2012, 03:10:16 AM
And just to the right of the clamped-on counterweight, and above the flanged tire, is about 1/2" of the hair on top of Jason's head. He was in between the wheels. You'd think after all the trials and tribulations involved that some of that hair would have turned gray, but I saw nary a gray one.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 04, 2012, 04:01:45 AM
Wow not much left of the counter weight we started with a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 10, 2012, 04:54:26 PM
The firebox support system on No. 9 must bear a load of about four tons, two tons per side. Also, it must accommodate a boiler expansion from cold start to operating temperature of nearly ¼ inch. These requirements called for some interesting engineering and machining to create the system.

The chain of transmission of the load starts with the eight threaded studs—four per side—that are welded  to the firebox outside sheet. The first picture, taken before assembly of the boiler and frame, shows the four studs on the left side projecting horizontally from the firebox outer sheet.

The next picture—Fig. 1—shows how those four studs fit into the system on the left side of the engine. The forward stud of the four is labeled A. The load transmission sequence is: stud A to surrounding sleeve B to angle iron C to frame D.

Fig. 2 shows the spacer E that is welded to the angle iron to keep it clear of the staybolt heads and the fillet welds anchoring the studs to the firebox. The spacer has cutouts—not visible in the picture--to clear those welds. Four hex nuts F and lock washers G force the sleeves B tightly against the angle iron to fasten the system firmly to the firebox. The fastening force is multiplied by the use of tapered exterior surfaces on the sleeves (actually pipe thread taper) and a matching taper on the holes in the angle iron (the latter formed by a pipe thread taper reamer). There's more about the sleeves later, since they required some special machining.

The boiler is restrained from vertical movement relative to the frame by the sandwiching of the bottom leg of the angle iron between the frame and bar H. That bar is secured by cap screws I tapped into the frame and kept from working loose by lock washers J. By the looks, this arrangement would seem to interfere with the angle iron sliding on the frame to accommodate boiler expansion, but in this case looks are deceiving: Hidden within holes milled through the short leg of the angle iron are three thimbles, each very slightly taller than the angle iron is thick. Bar H rests on those thimbles, not the angle iron, so the latter is free to slide. Since boiler expansion requires the angle iron to move relative to the frame and spindles, the holes milled in the angle iron are slotted to prevent interference.

For lubrication of the sliding joint between the angle iron and the frame, a pair of grease applicators (fitting K, pipe L) are tapped into the bottom leg of the angle iron. These applicators of course move with the angle iron, and hence bar H must have the slots visible in Fig. 1 to avoid interference.

Back to those tapered sleeves B: Each one had to be custom machined to fit its companion stud. The reason: It wasn’t practical to weld the studs to the firebox with high precision, and hence any variance of a stud from nominal position was accommodated by custom boring the hole in each sleeve just the right amount off center to match its particular stud.

Should it be necessary, some day far in the future, to temporarily remove the boiler from the frame, woe be unto any volunteer who fails to mark each sleeve for its matching stud!

Many thanks to Stephen Hussar for converting files so I could post them to the Forum.

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/WWandF%20No%209%20Firebox%20Support%20System/IMG_0660_zps5ec3e54c.jpg)

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/Firebox_Support_System_Fig_1.jpg)

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/Firebox_Support_System_Fig_2.jpg)




 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 10, 2012, 05:17:43 PM
Great post, oily!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 10, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
My thanks to Ed Lecuyer for fixing whatever I did wrong with Fig. 1 and 2 that made them invisible to some.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 10, 2012, 10:07:37 PM
Steve,

You've given the best explanation of how the back boiler mounts work.  As noted, since the front (smokebox) end of the boiler is set hard to the cylinder castings, expansion works towards the firebox end.  There is a frame mounted waist plate mid way back which has some give but the area where the boiler expansion is the greatest is at the firebox.  The mount system took quite a bit of design work with a number of people offering concepts for Jasons design.  I've been there to see it all go together but your description says it much better than I could.  Your post is a good indication of the type of design/engineering that goes into a rebuild like #9's.

Thanks!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 10, 2012, 10:36:46 PM
An inherent but important feature of the upper leg of the angle and the spacer behind it is the elimination of virtually all bending stress in the boiler studs; because the spacer is firmly seated on the wrapper sheet well above the row of studs, they really only see shear and tension from nut torque.

Thanks Steve for providing a record and explanation of this important step!

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 10, 2012, 10:53:01 PM
Did any other locomotive have this feature? If I remember correctly, I had to drill 2 different size holes. And out of all the holes, only 1 needed a little honing to get it to line up the way Jason wanted.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 10, 2012, 11:31:11 PM
MISTAKE ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!

I notice I wrote that bar H is secured by cap screws F. WRONG! It's secured by capscrews I.

Sorry 'bout that!  ::)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 10, 2012, 11:42:26 PM
MISTAKE ALERT NUMBER TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The lock washers under capscrews I are labelled J, not G. (as in "Gee, maybe by New Year's Day I'll get all the mistakes corrected.)

Where's the icon showing a tomato red face when a feller needs it?  >:(
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 11, 2012, 12:27:20 AM
Steve,  as a Mechanical Engineer I could easily see the problems associated with this type of mounting.  I commend you for your process of simplifying and detailing all the considerations that went into the design so that the non-engineer could understand.  Extremely well done!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 11, 2012, 02:21:12 AM
John, thanks for the compliment, which I accept for the Team, which is as follows:

Jason: Manager of Explanation Dept.
Stephen Hussar and Ed Lecuyer: Image Technical Dept.
Me, Oily:Supt. of Typos   ;D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on December 11, 2012, 02:21:37 AM
Steve, a very good explanation that a non-engineer can (almost) understand. My question is how expansion was handled (if at all) on the original permutation of No. 9?
Dave
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 11, 2012, 02:24:49 AM
Dave, good question! Here's hoping the Mgr. of Explanation Dept. (see above) can come through for us again.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 11, 2012, 12:06:28 PM
On #9's original boiler, there was no fixed frame connection between the front and rear couplers.  The boiler was attached the frame in the back (through the firebox side sheet) and to the front frame at the front of the firebox.  The two frame halves did not connect.  The boiler was the connection.  So expansion simply shoved the rear portion of the engine back slightly.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 11, 2012, 03:35:23 PM
The frame isn't what needs to expand and contract, James. It's the boiler that moves as its heats up. On the original design, there was no provision for such movement to take place, since the boiler was fixed to the frame at the cylinder saddle/smokebox interface, as well as at the firebox end. I'm not sure how expansion was accommodated. The new design allows the boiler to grow unimpeded. This must not have been a big problem on smaller locomotives, since many saddle-tankers and smaller tender engines did not have any provisions for horizontal movement of the boiler. Larger and more modern engines had pads that fitted into shoes on the frame near the firebox to handle expansion. The waist sheets under the boiler, by the way, supported the boiler and were able to move relative to the boiler's expansion and contraction.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on December 11, 2012, 04:08:09 PM
Will these mounts be treated in some fashion to prevent rust in the future? (between the sandwiched parts and the boiler)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 11, 2012, 05:08:54 PM
Perhaps I didn't explain it correctly.  On the orginal boiler, expansion of the boiler moved the rear of the engine back, since the rear frame was attached directly to the firebox sides.  The engine now has a frame that goes from one end to the other, so we have the slide plate that holds up the boiler and allows for the sliding action.  The original frame was two, unconnected pieces, and the boiler supported itself between the two halves.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 11, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
To expand on James answer and satisfy Wayne's question, the boiler support at the back of the forward frame was an expansion joint.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2012, 09:21:11 PM
But back to my original question. Did any other locomotive have this feature? Not just WW&F locos, because I doubt any of them had it.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 11, 2012, 09:40:05 PM
As far as I've seen, any locomotive with frame rails running along side the wrapper sheet had a similar arrangement... Angle iron bolted to the boiler with some sort of hold down arrangement on the lower leg of the angle.  Sometimes this was fancier than others.  Wiscasset 7 had this arrangement as did all the Baldwin engines with wrap around frames. 

I suspect most builders wouldn't have bothered with the sleeves (they would have relied on drilling the angle to match the studs and friction). 

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2012, 10:45:15 PM
You just like machining. ;D But the sleeves will keep the nuts from binding the angle.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 12, 2012, 02:19:41 AM
Mike, here is a hastily drawn sketch, photographed with my digital camera, showing two arrangements, one above, one below,  whereby the tapered sleeves would not prevent the nuts from drawing the angle iron tight to the spacer and firebox wrapper sheet. These are supposed to be sectional views formed by a vertical plane passing through the axis of a stud. I don't know whether No. 9 has either arrangement exactly, but it should be something similar. I did draw the tapered sleeves a little wrong. I don't believe they have any shoulder on the straight part of them.
(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/IMG_1900.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 12, 2012, 03:12:43 AM
Robert Hale posted a Question
Quote
Will these mounts be treated in some fashion to prevent rust in the future? (between the sandwiched parts and the boiler)

I'm not sure, but I doubt it would be necessary. The right hand counterpart to the mount shown in the pictures I posted is right where the reverse lever pivot and quadrant are located, which will of course be in the cab of the completed locomotive. So the left hand mount will also be in the cab, hence protected from weather.

I do recall from riding on No. 10 that water was being splashed on a balky injector on the fireman's side from time to time, so I guess it's not guaranteed that water wouldn't get on the left-side mount, if, as is likely, No. 9 will have a left-side injector for the fireman.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 12, 2012, 04:56:39 AM
I worked on the tank today, removed the two sumps, the outer coal board guides the inner guides are riveted on angle iron and the two wrought iron hold downs for the front of the tank. Squeezed as far into the tank as I could go found a few cubic feet of rodent nest, rust, and some coal. Stewart and I figured the coal has probably been in the tank since the 30's. The inside was painted with black paint over the orange primer in spots I'm guessing this was done in CT and not Sheepscot. Next is needle scaling any skinny volunteers for the interior.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 12, 2012, 06:09:16 AM
I think we should save the coal to put in the firebox during the first steam up.  That would be a good connection between #9 running on the original WW&F and the museum.  

Stewart
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on December 12, 2012, 02:36:45 PM
Excellent idea Stewart!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 12, 2012, 04:09:33 PM
Jonathan St. Mary asked me to post:

As I'm sure you are aware, Jason and I have been tweaking the big lathe for weeks now, trying to get to the point where we could turn and burnish the journals on the driver axles for #9.

Previously, we showed the counter-counterweights which balanced up the wheelsets.  Since then, we have adjusted the tailstock, fabricated a new headstock center, re-geared the drivetrain to get a much slower feed rate, and fabricated our latest specialty tool, the journal burnisher.  With all the tweaking, Jason was able to turn the journals to an acceptable roundness without an undue amount of taper, and a finish good enough to burnish.  The pics are of our new journal burnisher in use.  It seems like this part of the project has taken forever, but the lathe tweaks will speed up any more work done with the machine.

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/IMG_0064.JPG)

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/IMG_0065.JPG)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on December 12, 2012, 06:35:27 PM
Robert Hale posted a Question
Quote
Will these mounts be treated in some fashion to prevent rust in the future? (between the sandwiched parts and the boiler)

I'm not sure, but I doubt it would be necessary. The right hand counterpart to the mount shown in the pictures I posted is right where the reverse lever pivot and quadrant are located, which will of course be in the cab of the completed locomotive. So the left hand mount will also be in the cab, hence protected from weather.

I do recall from riding on No. 10 that water was being splashed on a balky injector on the fireman's side from time to time, so I guess it's not guaranteed that water wouldn't get on the left-side mount, if, as is likely, No. 9 will have a left-side injector for the fireman.

So since this mount will be mostly out of the weather a coat of good paint when assembled should suffice to prevent rust. I just have an eye for these things since I work on airplanes and corrosion is a real issue. Now, for the grease for the sliding plate, what is the type of grease normally used for steam locos?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 12, 2012, 11:55:11 PM
I'm not sure paint will last...the wrapper sheet of the boiler gets pretty hot.

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 13, 2012, 12:07:12 AM
I would suggest several coats of carbon black powder mixed with warm linseed oil, with a good "baking" between coats.  Worked in the old days..........
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 13, 2012, 02:37:04 AM
Jonathan, thanks for the pictures and text on burnishing. Do you move the carriage along the ways with the tool in contact with the journal, or do you do one section at a time, backing off after each zone, shifting carriage and then moving the tool to the work again for the next section.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jonathan St.Mary on December 13, 2012, 02:59:05 AM
The tool is brought in against the journal at one end, and appropriate pressure applied.  The feed is then engaged, and the rollers move to the other end.  The rollers mash down the peaks from the cutting tool and push them into the valleys.  The result is quite a smooth finish.  A YouTube clip shows the action:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zPkkpH1K1I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zPkkpH1K1I)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 13, 2012, 03:53:31 AM
What I've learned from that very YouTube clip is that letting the full width of both bearings on the journal doesn't produce a high enough localized pressure to yield the surface finish sufficiently.  As such- the first attempts (made as described above) significantly improved the finish- but didn't approach the mirror you see in that YouTube clip.

Next time I'm there I'll kick the burnisher at a slight angle so just the corner of one bearing engages; the angle will only be slight to give a good entrance angle on the bearing corner, and to keep the force on the bearing mainly radial (and not axial).  Each journal will be done in two set ups; as such the tool Jonathan made Monday (seen in his photos) won't require any modification.

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 13, 2012, 08:21:03 PM
Thanks very much, Jonathan and Jason--good explanations. I can see how turning the burnishing tool even a very slight angle will reduce the area of its contact with the workpiece, giving an increase in pressure without having to increase the force with which the roller is pressed against the workpiece. That's making the laws of mechanics work for ya instead of agin ya.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 21, 2012, 08:43:28 PM
This week new brass came in to make driving box bearings.  Jason worked in the shop 3 or 4 days on the project.  Jonathan helped with machine work on Thursday.   Eric S. worked on cleaning the drivers which have now been moved into the machine shop.

Stewart 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Schade on January 05, 2013, 07:30:47 PM
jason at the lathe (...er i mean mill) machining journals last month:
(http://www.shearwater-boats.com/numberninejason.JPG)
one of the eccentric straps:
(http://www.shearwater-boats.com/numberninevalveyoke.JPG)
one of the drive wheel sets (front engineers side I think):
(http://www.shearwater-boats.com/numberninedriver1.JPG)
old work---repaired crank:
(http://www.shearwater-boats.com/numberninedriver.JPG)
the eccentrics between the rear drivers:
(http://www.shearwater-boats.com/numbernineeccentrics.JPG)
date stamped on the tire of one of the drivers.  several tires were so dated each with a different day.
(http://www.shearwater-boats.com/numberninedate.JPG)
today I spent some time sanding the tire edge and the counterweights as well as scraping some old paint and gunk off around the spokes and other nooks and crannies.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on January 05, 2013, 07:45:27 PM
Tiny correction...that is not a lathe Jason is running, it is a vertical milling machine.
 :)
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on January 09, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
Has the boiler been fired up yet? Also, not sure if it was answered, but as far as lubrication goes, what types of specialized greases and oils are used on the steam locomotives?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 10, 2013, 12:28:54 AM
Kevin Madore was down for Victorian Christmas and has recently posted this photo to Railpictures that he took that day.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=420473&nseq=2 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=420473&nseq=2)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 14, 2013, 02:32:24 PM
Jonathan St. Mary asked me to post:

For the past couple of weeks, we have been concentrating on getting the crown brasses fitted to the journals on the driver axles.  One brass had to be completely replaced, and the other three rebored.  Once the machining is done, the individual brasses are hand scraped to fit their particular journal.  After fitting, each box must have its sides machined flat and parallel, so that the box will slide up and down in the frame bearings without binding.  The picture shows the set-up used to machine the sides of the boxes.  One side is machined flat, then the box is flipped over, and the second side made parallel to the first. 


(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/IMG_0077.JPG)

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/IMG_0078.JPG)

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/IMG_0079.JPG)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on January 15, 2013, 03:30:54 AM
Jonathan and Ed, thank you very much for the pictures of milling the driving boxes.

Jonathan, the photos have triggered a couple of questions I hope you or Jason can answer:

About how wide is the scraper used to scrape the brasses, or if more than one width is used, what's the range?

In the turning and burnishing of the driving axle journals, how much was the diameter reduced?

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 24, 2013, 02:59:54 AM
During the past weekend progress forged ahead on several projects regarding #9.  Saturday saw Jason and Gordon occupied with running gear calculations.  Wes was occupied on the lathe making up bearings for the equalizers.  My father (who after several years has finally had his first visit) And I began by grinding a flat surface on the transitional casting at a 45 degree angle to the frame.  This was in preparation for drilling holes so that the washout plugs could pass through the casting.
Sunday work continued on this front along with grinding several bolt heads flush with the surface of the forward frame to avoid clearance issues with the drive wheels.  A point of historical interest occurred on Sunday when I asked my dad to go out and measure the old frames for locating the stirrup steps into the cab.  He returned noting there were two sets of holes on each side which would have worked for the stirrups.  I sumissed that the steps must have been moved at some point.  Sure enough Jason confirmed Monday that after the locomotive was wrecked on the Sandy River, the cab was rebuilt with the doors and hence the stirrups moved back several inches.
Monday saw the pilot backing plate leveled and centered.  Holes were then drilled and tapped in the forward frame for this.  The plate was temporarily installed pending final installation along with the pilot beam.  Jonathan and Jason were busy at work in the Machine shop on driving boxes.  Josh was also working throughout the weekend on recreating #9's electrical system.
Thanks to everyone for a great weekend.  It looks like we may have found another volunteer in my father, who claims his favorite bit of work was cutting and burning Saturday Morning.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 25, 2013, 12:13:00 AM
Stephen --

Thanks very much for that detailed report of your work over the past weekend. I enjoyed it very much. Glad to know you've gotten your dad interested in helping out. I was never able to make my father understand my enjoyment of such activities, even though he was a skilled maintenance machinist.

Wayne Laepple
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 30, 2013, 09:06:14 PM
Monday, I worked for a couple of hours on parts for Ichabod. Johnathan was milling #9's bearing boxes, and I noticed this was done Saturday, presumably by Eric Schade.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/9Wheels.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Schade on February 01, 2013, 08:39:48 PM
my hands are still that black color! ;D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dan Shelley on February 04, 2013, 12:18:01 AM
Jason, the guys at OCC won't know how to use little lone start it. Great work

Eric, Great work on the wheel paint job. Gasoline will clean your hands up nicely.

Thanks guys for all the great progress photos

Dan
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on February 04, 2013, 02:04:23 AM
Jason, the guys at OCC won't know how to use little lone start it.
?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 19, 2013, 12:41:43 AM
"There's a hole in my bucket dear Liza..."

Since nobody can fit into the hole in the tank anymore, Brendan and company made a larger hole in the top of the tank - see picture below.  They then removed the cross braces that they could reach.  There's more in the wings.  Somebody gets to crawl in the hole and needle scale it.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 19, 2013, 12:45:07 AM
Somebody gets to crawl in the hole and needle scale it.

Double hearing protection will be needed inside there. Imagine the echo. Wow.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 19, 2013, 01:23:01 AM
You can wrap a packing blanket around the sides to cut down the vibration/noise a bit.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on February 19, 2013, 02:26:56 PM
Don't forget respiratory protection and forced ventilation!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 19, 2013, 06:18:34 PM
Tank report. Everything that needed to come off the tank is removed. Most of the external needle scaling was finished this weekend. Holes were drilled through the tank sheets to check for sheet thickness in suspect areas, the worst spots still have plenty of sheet thickness. The holes will be welded back up later. You can see from James picture we cut an access hole into the top of the tank to clean the inside out. We cleaned the side of the tank by the access hole out and then took out the internal braces to reach the other side. There is still 4 small braces up in the water legs to come out and then a couple areas need to be needle scaled before sandblasting. One 5 gallon pail of rust and mouse nest was removed.

Tank braces installed.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps5f70a45d.jpg)

Without cross braces

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps2e387ee2.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 19, 2013, 09:46:35 PM
Tanks for your effort and report.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on February 19, 2013, 09:49:55 PM
Here is a picture of Brendan in the tank cutting the braces and one showing the tank floor after the braces were removed. (http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/IMG_2301.jpg) (http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/IMG_2303.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on February 19, 2013, 09:56:14 PM
A good part of Saturday was spent getting the Drivers back under #9. This required that the front of the locomotive be raised and much of the supporting cribbing be repositioned and fitted so as to provide good support. (http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/IMG_2289.jpg) (http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/IMG_2284.jpg) (http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/IMG_2292.jpg) But at the end of the day the drivers were under #9 and on the rails. GHopefully it won't be too long before the locomotive is lowered onto the drivers and thus back on its feet.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on February 19, 2013, 10:01:34 PM
Also accomplished was the drilling out of the casting for the installation of the two front wash out plugs. Once cut the holes required some rework inorder to provide clearance for when the boiler expands. (http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/IMG_2295.jpg)  (http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/IMG_2298.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on February 19, 2013, 10:07:04 PM
Additionally Jason and others worked on the fit up of the shoes and wedges for the drivers. This picture was taken while the work was in progress. I had to leave Monday early afternoon so do not know if the fit up was completed. (http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/IMG_2299.jpg) You can also see I need to learn how to make my pictures show smaller in size. But I feel it's a major accomplishment I got the uploaded to photobucket (although not wher I wanted) and was able to post them to the forum.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 19, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
Thanks to Paul, Brendan, James and Mike for their reports and the great photos. I can hardly wait for April to see the progress in person, and I trust there will be plenty between now and then! Good job, one and all.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 19, 2013, 11:14:25 PM
Monday evening the front pilot beam was bolted to #9 to help mock up the locations of various brackets for hole drilling in the smokebox. The beam has to come back off we didn't have all the hardware to attach the beam permanently but the front end looked a little more complete. The cab steps were bolted to the frame and the back steps were straightened out to bolt on. Steve P. was still working when I left and believe he was going to do more today.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 19, 2013, 11:37:30 PM
Steve P. worked on #9 all day today.  One job was drilling the holes for the clean out cover on the smokebox.   This is the port and lid on the enginemans' side where you put the rod when sparking the engine.  I think Steve will post a report when he gets home.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 21, 2013, 02:14:52 PM
After my arrival late Sunday afternoon, I spent about an hour going over work the work that had transpired earlier in the day and on Saturday.
Monday Morning I began die grinding the access hole for the washout plug on the fireman's side of the boiler.  This consumed a most of the morning.
Following an excellent lunch, JB and I measured drilled and installed the cab stirrups.  Milo provided encouragement.  I began to work on the stirrups at the rear of the locomotive.  Finding them to be out of square, Brendan and I heated them with the rosebud torch and made some adjustments.  Interestingly, the next day I found punch marks on all of the stirrup bends from when they were first forged.  The torch burnt all of the paint and dirt out of them, making them very obvious.  As mentioned below, Brendan and I put up the pilot beam temporarily to measure for the smokebox braces.   Monday night I laid out and wrote procedures for drilling the ash cleanout casting on the smokebox, smokebox-pilot braces, and the rear stirrups.  I also located Dave Crow's punch marks for the handrail stanchions and marker light bracket.
Tuesday I proceeded to drill the previously marked holes to the proper dimensions using the mag drill.  The ash cleanout casting and marker light bracket were both temporarily installed.  Jason stopped by to discuss the progress Tuesday afternoon, and it was decided to replicate a smokebox patch on the firman's side of the locomotive.  This patch is necessary because it maintains the dimensions of the original smokebox and will prevent the need to make modifications to the both the smokebox-pilot brace and the front running board bracket.  It also maintains the historical character of the locomotive while it operated on the WW&F.  I spent the remainder of Tuesday evening measuring and producing this patch.  It was rough fit by Tuesday evening, although it will still require some grinding and adjustment.  It also will need holes located and drilled before the patch is fitted.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 05, 2013, 02:10:47 PM
Some pictures from Monday.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps3233ff38.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zpsce0ae79f.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps67c754f4.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps560c293c.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 05, 2013, 05:11:59 PM
Thanks for the photos Brendan,

We set the forward pair of drivers.  Took a bit of lifting and repositioning to get them in the frame pockets and get the wedges in.  The binders need a little work on the T bolt holes, then they can to go on.   After the front binders are set we can jack the rear drivers in place.

Stewart 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on March 05, 2013, 06:00:59 PM
Nice Work!

Somehow, I was expecting the locomotive to come down, rather than the drivers to go up.  I suppose the benefit of this arrangement would be if any adjustments need to be made, you need only raise and lower 1 set of drivers rather than the entire locomotive.

Steve
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 05, 2013, 06:39:06 PM
Hi Steve,

There's a lot more control lifting the drivers up into the frame. Brendan made the wheel lift assembly and four of us, (one per jack) lifted together so we could keep the wheelset level and guide the driving boxes into the shoes and wedges.  This protected the brass from damage.  When both driver sets are in, springs and hangers can be installed, then the locomotive will be lowered to the rails.

Stewart
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 05, 2013, 10:33:37 PM
I can attest to Stewart's claim that jacking the drivers up into the frame is a lot easier than lowering the frame. The last engine I helped re-wheel was a Pacific (4-6-2) with 80-inch drivers. The boiler and frame were lowered onto the wheels and driving boxes by a 200-ton overhead crane, and it was a scary, scary operation. We had to hold the boxes in alignment in the frame as the boiler and frame came down. I would have preferred a drop table and pit, but there wasn't one available.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 06, 2013, 01:59:19 PM
[Mod Note]
The ensuing discussion regarding Steve Smith's experiences on the railroad has been combined into the "A Few Stories..." thread:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=1192.0
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 10, 2013, 01:13:56 AM
Much progress today with construction of wheel casters for #9's drivers.  Because the engine is blocked up off the rails we placed a set of small wheels under the rear set of drivers on Friday.  The wheels act as support casters which allow the drivers to be turned but keeps them from settling and crushing the oil cellars and pads that are in the base of the driving boxes.  We didn't find any more wheels Friday but this morning Mike and Ed went shopping.  They came back with the set of wheels from the portable gantry crane that's back by the tool shed.  Mike and Ed made another caster set for the forward drivers and they turned easily!  The movable drivers allow for more parts to be installed where the crank pins have to be lined up.

Stewart
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 16, 2013, 11:28:51 PM
A few shots of #9 with it's wheels in place.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/2013-03-16_154127_zps0eee6743.jpg)


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/2013-03-16_154307_zpsbfa86e02.jpg)


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/2013-03-16_154328_zps24f1257b.jpg)


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/2013-03-16_154425_zpsdf070666.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on March 17, 2013, 03:07:10 AM
Thanks, Mike! Exciting to see the great progress the volunteers are making.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on March 17, 2013, 01:51:24 PM
Thanks Mike!

Your pictures are wonderful to see!


Best Regards,
Glenn Christensen
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on March 19, 2013, 11:27:50 PM
Wow great pics and amazing progress

Thanks
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 20, 2013, 12:01:45 AM
Maybe next time I will actually have my camera with me. My phone only takes ok pictures.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on March 20, 2013, 02:12:35 PM
Or you could ask Candid Courtney to come along maybe? I bet she'd remember to bring the camera. :D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on March 31, 2013, 02:05:11 AM
Keep up the good work guys, Im starting to see the light slowly appear at the end of this tunnel
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stuart Tomlinson on April 07, 2013, 07:59:50 AM
At Statfold  in the UK we turn our frame up sie down so the 10 ton crane can lower the wheel set in and out. Its easy that way, the boiler then goes in when the frames are finnished.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 14, 2013, 12:51:27 AM
Here are some shots from today with my camera. The flash really helps highlight the underside.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4206_zps1a20a06d.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4207_zps34147126.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4208_zpsb52b540d.jpg)

An overall from the west side of track 2

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4210_zps98f4f183.jpg)


Leon has been working on these rings for the jacket.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4209_zpscaca2f05.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 14, 2013, 12:07:04 PM
Good photos Mike.  The second shot shows the re-installed eccentrics and the third view shows the rear cylinder head.  The pipe coming from the cylinder is a temporary piece to get measruements for setting the crosshead guides.

Stewart
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on April 14, 2013, 02:14:00 PM
What type of insulation is used under the boiler jacket these days, since asbestos is long out of the picture?

Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on April 14, 2013, 05:40:59 PM
Spun rock wool?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on April 14, 2013, 05:52:06 PM
Please elaborate.  Is it like the pink stuff you put in your attic, or is it a solid material.

Seems to me I've seen some sort of "styrofoam-looking" blocks being used for this purpose.  Do you have an illustration?

Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry Church on April 14, 2013, 07:06:09 PM
Mineral wool is spun from slag or rock instead of glass like the pink stuff. It has a higher melting point than fiberglass.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 14, 2013, 08:08:50 PM
We indeed will be using wool insulation, as we did with number 10.  The jacket standoffs that Leon is making accounts for the fact that this wool blanket is a lot less stiff than the old hard block insulation; with the standoff rings the jacket will squeeze up tight on the rings and remain circular and rigid.  This has been a tedious job for Leon as we place the rings exactly where the old jacket seams were, which coincide with some annoying obstructions like the sand dome.  He's doing a great job though.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on April 14, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
 Jason, A picture of the back of the fire box, has a metal shaft with what looks like a wheel attached, please describe use. Thanks  Fred Kuhns
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 14, 2013, 10:42:28 PM
That's the hand brake shaft and wheel conveniently located so as to crack your funny bone every time you throw a scoop of coal in the box...  It is in its historic location.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on April 14, 2013, 11:53:00 PM
Thanks for the insulation explanation.

Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on April 19, 2013, 01:38:39 AM
Leon Weeks has been fabricating what I'll call stand-off rings for Number 9. They'll create space for insulation between the boiler and the boiler jacket. This ring is just behind the smokebox. When the boiler jacketing is applied it will contact the outside surfaces of the rings.

I imagine that getting the diameter of those rings just right must call for much patience on Leon's part. Or is he maybe a wizard at adjusting the bending rolls correctly on the first try?

 (http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/Shpsct%204%2018%2013/IMG_1967_zps24881f31.jpg)

 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on April 19, 2013, 01:40:40 AM
On Monday, April 15th, Brendan Barry worked on No. 9's tank. It's in Bay 2, tipped 90 degrees backward. This picture shows the top, with a square cut out for access, later to be welded back in. The circular fill shute has been taken off. Those items near the top of the picture are resting on the rear wall of the coal space, which would normally be vertical.


 (http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/Shpsct%204%2018%2013/IMG_1969_zps27e32f08.jpg)


For this picture the camera was just inside the temporary access hole and pointed steeply upwards. The darker area at left is the left-side wall, and the steeply inclined "stripes" are actually stiffeners—normally horizontal--for that wall.

The lighter area at the right is the bottom of the section of the tank that's to the left of the coal space, and the round opening is for water flow to the injector on the fireman's side of the locomotive.

Let's hear it for Brendan for tackling this work!

 (http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/Shpsct%204%2018%2013/IMG_1972_zps4a8f217c.jpg)









Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 21, 2013, 01:51:14 AM
Monday 4/15 a casting to reinforce the fireman's side cylinder was epoxied in place. The casting and cylinder had to be sandblasted down to clean metal where the epoxy was placed. The epoxy is to fill the voids between the castings, mechanical fastners will also be installed.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/5b858b60-63ac-4a25-b415-49bcd3679550_zps415c8d5e.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/39032c29-1c4d-46c9-94c5-79a89295e0c9_zpsa584ac4d.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 30, 2013, 04:23:26 PM
Tank update, the interior of the fireman's side was needle scaled where needed and ground to clean metal around the bolts holes. New pieces of angle iron were cut and drilled to replace the original coal bunker board brackets that were badly corroded. The fireman's side water sump was bolted back on and the bolts were tack welded into position inside the tank. All of the bolts through the tank will be fully welded on the inside to become studs so when the inside of the tank is coated there will be no breaks in the coating. A start was made on brackets to reinforce the coal bunker extensions on top of the tank. In most places around the top of the tank the piece of T angle the extensions are riveted to is corroded away.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0375-1_zps3d77da42.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 30, 2013, 10:32:13 PM
Brendan,

You sure do nice work, as a fabricator ... and a reporter!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 07, 2013, 11:40:02 PM
Leon spent a good part of today installing and setting the boiler bands.  The look nice and fit well.  A bit of adjustment with shims will be needed in a couple of spots before the jacket is applied.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 12, 2013, 02:12:29 AM
The July/August 2013 Newsletter featured a very in-depth article on the quartering needed to complete the restoration of #9. For the benefit of our followers (who are not members) we are pleased to provide the article via the following link:
http://www.wwfry.org/pics/SteamLocomotiveQuartering.pdf (http://www.wwfry.org/pics/SteamLocomotiveQuartering.pdf)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on August 12, 2013, 03:45:53 AM
Are any photos available of the quartering machine or whatever is going to be used to get this job done?  How many months has this set the number 9 project back?  I wonder what the next hidden glitch will be?

Bernie
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on September 04, 2013, 01:51:00 PM
Quartering machine...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7394/9670023317_24f950de05_o.jpg)
And a sneak peek at what No 9's replicated "Russia Iron" jacket will look like...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7403/9669973125_2b52b7f966_o.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 04, 2013, 02:06:54 PM
Quartering machine...
I think that fell out from under my car the other day - then was kidnapped by someone obsessed with "Steampunk."

Nice job on both fronts - can't wait to see it all in person soon. (Fall Festival, I hope.)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on September 04, 2013, 02:55:02 PM
That quartering machine is so impressive! I can just see it as an exhibit in one of the world's hallowed science museums. You know, with a legend such as,
"Early calculating machine by Babbidge, 1889"

or maybe, "Model used by Kepler to formulate the laws of planetary motion, 1576"

Maybe this will someday be in the National Rail Museum in York, England.   "Quartering machine, Lamontagne et al, 2013"
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on September 04, 2013, 03:00:46 PM
Looks like a movement in a tower clock.  Really looks precise and ready to attack.  How does it determine true quarter and how does it work?  That is one super job.

Bernie
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on September 04, 2013, 09:30:09 PM
I have a grandfather clock with what they call "triple chime movement" and it closely resembles that quartering jig. Good luck with that job.
Duncan
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 03, 2013, 12:41:43 AM
Dean Copeland sawed out a new oak pilot beam and all the oak planking for the cab deck at his sawmill. The new pilot beam is the correct size going off the Portland Co. prints. The exsisting beam is to big and doesn't line up with the deck plate on the frame rails and the brackets that mount between the pilot and smoke box.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 03, 2013, 10:52:15 AM
Hi Brendan, is the oak seasoned, or do we need to wait before mounting it up? See you next week. Dave Crow
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 03, 2013, 03:57:20 PM
Fresh out of the log Dave. Pilot beam should be good to go on upon arrival and the deck boards we can let dry until we need them.

Picture from Dean
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps6def680e.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 08, 2013, 12:58:00 AM
One Copeland Lumber Company universal cut to length Portland Company forney replacement pilot beam was delivered today.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/99c9d628-7c2b-4258-b447-a4cf42a39322_zps9713465a.jpg)

The Kubota is useful for more than digging holes. Also good for removing oak beams from Suburban roofs.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/30f97e67-d0a4-4dcd-b9fa-5f9b60580109_zps30f7e1ca.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zpsddc8adf3.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps6c2c7e3a.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 08, 2013, 11:01:02 PM
Guess we will need to get the lights working if you are going to continue with those late night antics....Don't want to hold up progress because of darkness.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 09, 2013, 01:10:50 AM
The beam has been cut down to length. The steel plate clamped to the beam bolts into the engine's frame rails and backs up the pilot beam. The coupler pocket bolts through the beam and backing plate sandwiching the pilot beam. The reason for the new pilot beam is the pilot beam and pilot that were on the engine are believed to have been put on the engine when the engine was in CT. The pilot beam was too tall and wide. The pilot deck plate did not fit and the brackets from the smoke box to the pilot did not line up. The new pilot beam is based off the Portland Co. drawings and measurements off the deck plate.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bca178f9-f731-44ed-9f26-ab24918a7ff0_zpsffd2590a.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 09, 2013, 01:29:32 AM
Nice!  Guess we should put some linseed oil to it fairly soon.

Start
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 09, 2013, 01:42:59 AM
Good old fashioned cresote is the only way. ;D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on October 09, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
It looks good... Can't wait to see it again with this new beam... But if it's been found that no. 9 doesn't conform to the basic Portland Co. specifics after this many years, then would it hurt to have an over-sized pilot beam  ::)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 09, 2013, 04:05:14 PM
#9 lost its Portland Company specifics many years ago.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on October 09, 2013, 05:45:50 PM
It looks good... Can't wait to see it again with this new beam... But if it's been found that no. 9 doesn't conform to the basic Portland Co. specifics after this many years, then would it hurt to have an over-sized pilot beam  ::)
Possibly not....but from what I have read in the above posts....No.9 never ran with the pilot beam that it came to Sheepscot with as it was put on by the Ramsdell / Monypeny folks. There is no telling what sized pilot beam it may have had when running on the WW&F, so it makes sense to go back to the last known size...that being what it had on the SR&RL RR.
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 09, 2013, 06:58:42 PM
Dylan, part of the problem with the beam that came with No. 9 from the Ramsdell's farm appears that it prevents the diagonal stays from the smokebox to the beam to be in the proper position.  I seem to remember trying to figure out the proper geometry when marking drill hole locations in the smokebox last year.

I believe Jason told me the existing beam sticks out from under the pilot deck plate and that it should be flush with the front of the plate for protection of the wood.  If Brendan and Dean had not donated a new beam, we would have cut the existing one down to the proper size this coming weekend.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 09, 2013, 08:13:42 PM
Another thing, the old pilot beam is checked so even if it was cut down to fit the plate it wouldn't look as good as a new beam.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 10, 2013, 12:40:07 AM
The beam that was on the engine had a spacer block behind it for some reason that caused the beam to stick out to far. I think if we had removed the spacer block and cut the existing beam down, we would have been into a situation of overlapping hole locations for the pilot to smokebox brackets. Anyhow most of the holes were drilled in the new beam this evening.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps65af156b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 13, 2013, 02:49:59 AM
  Brendan, The drill press pictured made a hard job much easier.  Thanks for all the information provided and look forward to the beam being attached to the engine.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on October 15, 2013, 03:22:23 PM
I saw the pics of #9 outside and it was impressive. Got a question though: When does the boiler time start? (for the FRA inspections).
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on October 15, 2013, 03:30:32 PM
I saw the pics of #9 outside and it was impressive. Got a question though: When does the boiler time start? (for the FRA inspections).
The WW&F doesn't currently come under FRA jurisdiction, so the clock doesn't start at all.
The FRA regulations are as follows:
(a) General. Before any steam locomotive is initially put in service or brought out of retirement, and after every 1472 service days or 15 years, whichever is earlier, an individual competent to conduct the inspection shall inspect the entire boiler. In the case of a new locomotive or a locomotive being brought out of retirement, the initial 15 year period shall begin on the day that the locomotive is placed in service or 365 calendar days after the first flue tube is installed in the locomotive, whichever comes first. This 1472 service day inspection shall include all annual, and 5th annual, inspection requirements, as well as any items required by the steam locomotive owner and/or operator or the FRA inspector. At this time, the locomotive owner and/or operator shall complete, update and verify the locomotive specification card (FRA Form No. 4), to reflect the condition of the boiler at the time of this inspection. See appendices A and B of this part.
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on October 15, 2013, 03:40:04 PM
I saw the pics of #9 outside and it was impressive. Got a question though: When does the boiler time start? (for the FRA inspections).
The WW&F doesn't currently come under FRA jurisdiction, so the clock doesn't start at all.
The FRA regulations are as follows:
(a) General. Before any steam locomotive is initially put in service or brought out of retirement, and after every 1472 service days or 15 years, whichever is earlier, an individual competent to conduct the inspection shall inspect the entire boiler. In the case of a new locomotive or a locomotive being brought out of retirement, the initial 15 year period shall begin on the day that the locomotive is placed in service or 365 calendar days after the first flue tube is installed in the locomotive, whichever comes first. This 1472 service day inspection shall include all annual, and 5th annual, inspection requirements, as well as any items required by the steam locomotive owner and/or operator or the FRA inspector. At this time, the locomotive owner and/or operator shall complete, update and verify the locomotive specification card (FRA Form No. 4), to reflect the condition of the boiler at the time of this inspection. See appendices A and B of this part.
Keith

Ok, so there are still required state boiler inspections? Just curious.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on October 15, 2013, 03:52:23 PM

Ok, so there are still required state boiler inspections? Just curious.

Robert....yes the boilers on the WW&F come under Maine State jurisdiction and are subject to periodic testing and licensing.
All of the engine crews are licensed by the State or Maine.

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 15, 2013, 04:04:08 PM
While we are not under FRA jurisdiction with respect to steam, we still plan to follow the 1472 day rule regarding boilers and tubes.  This will probably start when the State boiler inspector comes to inspect #9's boiler once the engine is complete.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on October 25, 2013, 10:34:46 PM
Here (I hope) are a few pictures of #9 being re railed and moved to Bay 2;
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Lowering%20No%209/Lowering.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/Lowering%20No%209/Lowering.jpg.html)
Ready to be on the rails:
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Lowering%20No%209/Rerail.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/Lowering%20No%209/Rerail.jpg.html)
Coupling up for move outside
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Lowering%20No%209/CouplingUp.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/Lowering%20No%209/CouplingUp.jpg.html)
Outside:
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Lowering%20No%209/Outside1.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/Lowering%20No%209/Outside1.jpg.html)
Fully Outside:
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Lowering%20No%209/Outside2.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/Lowering%20No%209/Outside2.jpg.html)
Now in Bay 2
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Lowering%20No%209/Bay2.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/Lowering%20No%209/Bay2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 27, 2013, 12:15:13 AM
Compare these photos to the one above. Marcel finally got the roof to a level he can work on it. He was busy today removing ash from the tongue and groove joints.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/9cab1_zps94b3149d.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/9cab_zps0692ce1b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on October 27, 2013, 06:16:02 PM
Wow! Great pics!  Thanks

You Guys are have done amazing work! I wish I was a $illionaire and was able to be the Patron so none of you had to work and could play WW&F all the time
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 27, 2013, 06:33:41 PM
  Mike,  What type of material will the new roof be on the cab? Great pictures of all the work going on at museum. Thanks, Fred L. Kuhns               
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Marcel Levesque on October 27, 2013, 09:17:02 PM
As little as possible will be replaced of the roofing material.  Most of the lumber is very viable except for the bolt anchor points.  Much of the surrounding wood in this area is rotted and very soft.  The existing t&g pine boards will be reused in different locations to use as much as possible and to keep structural integrity, basically to keep the roof panel from racking and to provide new material at the anchoring points.  It is not a good idea to have many joints next to each other.  The area on the engineers side showing repairs done previously will be reused or redone exactly as it was before disassembly.  There is some Douglas Fir in this area and will be reused.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bruce Mohn on October 30, 2013, 12:54:38 PM
What color was the roof originally?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Marcel Levesque on October 30, 2013, 02:14:16 PM
At the time I began working on the roof it was covered with very thin strips of canvas with an orange coating and was worn thru on a large portion of one corner.  In the process of seperating the roof from the verticals the attachement bolts had a thin layer of tin underneath the washers.  I could not see any remnants of paint on any of that metal, but I believe when the loco was built the roof was painted a shade of red oxide but again I am not sure of that.  If anyone has any accurate info please jump in.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on October 30, 2013, 05:04:36 PM
At the time I began working on the roof it was covered with very thin strips of canvas with an orange coating and was worn thru on a large portion of one corner.  In the process of seperating the roof from the verticals the attachement bolts had a thin layer of tin underneath the washers.  I could not see any remnants of paint on any of that metal, but I believe when the loco was built the roof was painted a shade of red oxide but again I am not sure of that.  If anyone has any accurate info please jump in.
From what I have seen on other locomotives from a similar era...I would guess (note this is just a guess) that the roof was covered with stretched canvas painted with red oxide. But.....no matter what color it starts out, a trip or two up the line and it will be black...
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 31, 2013, 12:34:31 AM
Based on some of the engines I've worked on over the years the progression went from painted wood, to stretched canvas that was painted and sealed over wood, to painted sheet tin over wood, to finally steel sheet with a wood interior under-layer.  What time period we wish to replicate would govern the type of roofing finish we apply to the engine.  Since we are replicating early 20th Century railroading I would recommend wood (sealed) with an adhesive top coat followed by stretched heavy canvas and topped with a really good iron oxide based paint.  I would suggest a "marine" grade to better handle the elements over time.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 31, 2013, 12:48:13 AM
We have a constraint in the lease for Number 9 in that it must look like it did when it was on the WW&F, for those 6 months in 1933.  This includes the cab.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 31, 2013, 01:43:49 AM
But -- does anyone know exactly what No. 9 looked like and what color it was during its WW&F days? All the photos are black and white, and I don't think any show the cab roof in any detail. As Keith noted above, after a handful of trips on our line, the cab roof will be black no matter what color it gets painted.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 06, 2013, 12:09:11 AM
Jason asked me to post this video, taken today, showing the progress being made on the quartering of #9's crank pins.
http://youtu.be/C46HkS29VmM

Lookin' good!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 06, 2013, 12:16:14 AM
Boy that runs well ... like clock work.  Kind of reminds me of the motorized tuning assembly on my Zenith radio.  I hope there will be video of the quartering machine turning the crank pins. 

Start
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on November 06, 2013, 12:33:48 AM
Well, one good turn deserves another.

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 06, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
As groans are heard across the valley ..............
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 17, 2013, 12:30:09 AM
Quartering machine in action.

http://youtu.be/kuX9uFQeA6o
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 17, 2013, 01:52:45 AM
Some pictures.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on November 20, 2013, 01:57:13 PM
I believe on Saturday (Nov 16) 4 cuts each being .006 in. were made. Controlling the machine's speed is difficult, you might have noticed the speed variation in Brendan's video, as the air motor speed is controlled by turning the handle to which the air supply in connected. The handle apparently doesn't have position (speed) stops. Perhaps a valve can be installed in the air supply line and be used to regulate the speed. Also some long small allen wrenches would make cutter installation and adjustment much easier than using the fold up wrenches we used on Saturday. But the machine worked very well and it is fastenating to watch in action first hand. It is quite an accomplishment to have built the machine and now having it working so well.
Paul C.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 20, 2013, 04:48:46 PM
Jonathan and I were able to work past both of those issues on Monday.  Realizing the machine could handle a higher cutting speed, we ran the air motor faster- the handle is must less sensitive at higher speeds and therefore easier to control.  Each cut took about 10 minutes after this change.  Also, we replaced the socket head SET screws with socket head CAP screws to hold the tool- this brought the Allen wrench size from 0.050" to 3/32".  We also bought a long t handled Allen wrench- tool adjustment is now worlds easier.

We finished the first pin Monday.  We'll do a little better than one pin per day.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 20, 2013, 04:57:24 PM
We finished the first pin Monday.  We'll do a little better than one pin per day.

How many pins do you plan to do?

-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on November 20, 2013, 05:51:16 PM
We finished the first pin Monday.  We'll do a little better than one pin per day.

How many pins do you plan to do?

-John
All of them! (4)

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on November 20, 2013, 06:55:49 PM
Will new brasses have to be made, or can they be babbit-lined to fit the turned pins?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on November 20, 2013, 07:30:55 PM
Will new brasses have to be made, or can they be babbit-lined to fit the turned pins?
I belive the plans call for new rod bearings.
Keith



Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 20, 2013, 10:42:28 PM
If Jason and crew, whom have my deepest respect for because they're doing it the right way, will build new brasses to insure a tight fit and proper alignment.

Well done guys - the video is awesome!  Keep doing it right, even if it takes a little longer.  Quality is job one!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 21, 2013, 11:54:17 PM
Next pin was going to be tomorrow but will need to wait for my bronchitis to settle down... Hopefully we'll continue Monday.  I won't be able to be at the RR at all till then.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 11, 2013, 03:34:53 AM
Jason and Jonathan working on the fireman's side rear driver Monday 12/9/13.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on February 05, 2014, 02:58:13 PM
Here's a bit of video of the process...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofewm4EOUR0&feature=youtu.be

Stephen
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 09, 2014, 02:51:03 AM
Pictures from today 2/8/14. I'm going to post the pictures and Jason is going to add the captions. Hopefully we can do this on a regular basis to keep everybody updated on number 9's progress.

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General overview

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and a shot down the steam dome.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 09, 2014, 03:23:52 AM
Ok- I'll try to keep up.

Pics 1-5 show the new rear truck swing links.  When we got the engine in 1995, it sat too high by several inches.  Harry and Zack arranged and had made new hangers around '98, which helped a lot.  Turns out- the length that they figured on was based on no 9's then bent frame; when applied with the now new, straight frame, we one again found the engine too high in back.  So, we made new ones again.  The original hangers had pins running sideways, weakening the bar and necessitating a much heavier bar than otherwise needed.  (They were 1 1/2" by 3").  This time we opted for a thinner, 1" bar, which we pinned through the end of the hanger.  To trap the pin, we "mortised" a slot in the hangers to receive a nut.  Jonathan St Mary was a major part of this job, and gets extra credit for taking the time to neatly radius all 8 ends of the 4" wide bars.

Pics 6-7 show a tidy little strap that Eric Schade and I forged up to hold the hand brake reach rod off the truck.  The original solution?  Let it ride on the truck- bending as the truck swung for curves.  There's also a little forged hanger at the front of this rod (not pictured) to keep it running true.

Pics  8-15 show the various components of our grate shaker.  This got tricky as the original shaker location is now blocked by a frame crosstie- this crosstie used to be bolted to the boiler backhead but got moved back a few inches as part of the frame/boiler separation redesign.  This required a new shaker location- nicely figured by Gordon Cook and others at the fall work weekend.  We then had to devise a way to make up for the new lateral offset in the gear.  We ended up pivoting a bar from the mud ring on the engineers side, through the shaker bar (forged up from 3/4" round bar), and out to and in line with the shaker.  Works nicely- good group effort with Eric, Jonathan, and myself pushing this along. Also seen are the new ashpan slotted mud ring studs that Jonathan made.

Pics 16-17 show how much of a smithy Eric is becoming- both are forged handles which will ultimately actuate the damper doors on the ashpan.  Portland company arranged these front and back- with solid side walls on the ashpan, with pull out trays on the bottom to dump.  We will reproduce this design of ashpan- fitting around the grate shaker apparatus we added.

Pics 18-20 show the new rear jacket standoff made by Leon.  This is the most decorative of all the standoffs as it will be seen in the cab.  It is thicker around the radius to clear the flexi stay sleeves and caps.  This also accentuates the keyhole look a bit.

The remaining pics show a smokebox effort- today Gordon C and I started figuring out the header, steam pipes and spark arrestor.  Most of it can be rescued- including the screen, believe it or not.  You can also see the templates for the boiler jacket that Wes Carpenter has been charging ahead on.

We've had other shop help as well- JB Smith, Greg Klein, Zack, Keith Taylor, Ed Gilhouley, Brendan, who am I forgetting?  Just yell at me...

Upcoming- we have been focusing on rear end work so we can give Zack the ok to deck the rear frame.  That should commence shortly.  We will focus on side rods, jacket template , front end, and will be thinking about a steam test.

Thanks, Brendan for the pics.  Let's keep it up.

Questions are welcome!
Jason

(Edit:  grammar, and picking 'an' for Brendan- first version had both that and 'en' just to cover all the bases...)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 22, 2014, 11:25:24 PM
Today,

The new pilot beam was cut to length in the garage.  The beam was then taken over into the Percival house cellar and cleaned up.  The next step was to coat the beam with boiled linseed oil which was done by lunch time.  The beam will stay in the celler for a few days so the oil can soak in and a second coat will be applied, probably next weekend.  Once the oil treatment is complete, the beam will go to the shop and drilling holes will be the next step.  There are quite a few holes needed including the ones that fix the beam to the locomotive and the front coupler pocket to the beam.

 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on February 23, 2014, 12:12:59 AM
Great pics and update. I really appreciate it

Thanks
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on February 25, 2014, 02:24:52 AM
Really neat photos. Very nicely explained. You guys are certainly a talented bunch!
I have a couple of questions; first, what is that red handled valve in the side of the boiler, just behind the smokebox? I think it shows best in photo 22.
My second question is: Are you restoring the vacuum brake system? I'm guessing yes.
Thanks for the hard work. It'll be great to see her run!

John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 25, 2014, 12:07:00 PM
I believe that the valve in Photo 22 is part of the sparking mechanism for the smokebox.  Steam gets inserted into the smokebox to help clean it out.

As for the vacuum brake system - yes we are planning to restore it.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on February 28, 2014, 04:51:45 PM
I'm a little slow responding, but thanks for the info. I had read about "sparking" the engines but didn't put two and two together and come up with a valve location!
Does #10 have a self cleaning front end? I don't recall seeing her "sparked".
As for the vacuum brakes, I never realized how wide spread the use was. I found some pictures on line of the Boston, Revere Beach & Lynn Railroad and low and behold, there is a brake exhaust muffler sticking out the cab roofs of their Mason Bogies! I believe the Pennsy's Waynesburg and Washington also used the system.

John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 28, 2014, 05:03:02 PM
#10 does not have a sparking system.  So I'm rather curious as to see how #9's sparking will work, and what kind of a mess it makes afterwards!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on February 28, 2014, 05:09:09 PM
Well, at least it will be a historically correct mess! Hopefully without any lineside fires of historic proportions!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on March 01, 2014, 11:17:35 PM
So thence, henforth, #9 would forevermore be known as "Old Sparky"? :D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 10, 2014, 09:24:52 PM
No. 9 photo updates from 3/9/14. Jason will be along with the commentary.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 11, 2014, 12:37:45 AM

Pics 1-3 show the meticulous boiler jacket template that Wes Carpenter has been working on.  A fine job worthy of commemorating with reproduction Russia Iron.  After the templates are done, they'll be traced onto the iron sheets, which will then be test fit, polished, and treated.

Pics 4-7 show some backhead trim work, including installation of the gauge cock trough.  Eric Schade did this work, including some fine forgery for the mounting system.

8-11 show the retaining system for the rear boiler jacket standoff made by Leon.  It is mounted to the water glass mount (which is in turn bolted to te boiler) at the top, and to the boiler expansion mounts at the bottom.  This work was also done by Eric.  

Pic 12 shows the last of 7 jacket standoff rings made by Leon.  These have been a slow, tedious project for which only Leon is suited.  This one is mid-fit-up.  

13-14 show the firedoor finish work- started by Bill Fortier and wrapped up by Eric.  Note the forged hinge pin head and reworked (but original) handle which no longer can strike the water glass drain.  Bill is currently working on a pattern for a fire door liner , which will be out of sight but is necessary.

15 is a close up of an ashpan door handle forged by Eric.  I showed him the Portland Company drawing, and some stock, and said can you make this?  This was the result- unassisted.  I should have had Brendan take a pic of the drawing too...  I love details like this- not functionally necessary but a fitting tribute to the way this machine was put together the first time.

16 shows the other ashpan door handle, which is original.  17 shows the jacket standoff bottom mounting bracket.

Zack and crew have been given the green light to deck, after which Marcel and Galo will have a green light to cabify!

Our main focus lately has been side rods- Jonathan, Eric and I all tackling that task.  JB has been doing some prep work on some cylinder cock parts, and has been helping prep no 10 for the season.  Joe Fox has been in helping on no 10 (weekend crew), while Jonathan carried some of that no 10 work further today.  I got to order new parts!

Busy shop of late...

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on March 11, 2014, 06:57:59 PM
What a tremendous tribute to the mechanical talents of the members of the museum crew. Great job!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 25, 2014, 02:05:14 AM
Number 9 pics from 3/22/14. Jason will add the commentary later.

I'll start with some general over all shots.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 25, 2014, 05:34:37 PM
Hello,

Pics 1-4 show the new brake beam Zack made for the front of the truck- the back one was retained.  They were substantially different in design anyway- and the front one as we found it held the brake shoes to an improper alignment.  

Pic 5 shows Zack in the beginning stages of decking.  The two original outer deck planks will be retained- while all the center ones will be replaced with oak.  The brake beam needed to be done first.

Pic 6 shows the cylinder jacket template made up by Wes.

Remaining pics show running board brackets on smokebox fitted up by Steve Piwowarski.  These represent our long and winding smokebox saga.  At first we thought we'd reuse the original.  After having Ed G remove it from the old boiler we found it down to about 1/8" thick almost half way up, and changed our minds.  Upon having a new one made, there was some debate on reproducing some of the original patches.  We decided to skip them- choosing to reproduce only the liner which is necessary for stiffness.  Later, when applying parts such as these running board brackets, we found that some of those patches were necessary for fit up.  In the photos you can see the bracket on one side is shaped to fit over the step created by the edge of the liner, while the other side wants no step.  On that side you can see the "patch" we subsequently decided to reproduce so that this bracket, and the smokebox braces (similarly custom shaped for a patch on one side only) can sit.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 04, 2014, 02:50:19 AM
Photo update from 3/31/14.

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picture 8

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picture 9

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picture 10

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 05, 2014, 11:18:25 AM
A discussion on the Fulvous (frivolous?) Whistling-Duck (http://www.birds-of-north-america.net/fulvous-whistling-duck.html) can be found at:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2234.0 (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2234.0)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 06, 2014, 12:17:49 AM
New Decking

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on April 06, 2014, 04:01:34 AM
Woodworkers of W.W.& F. great job on oak floor just looks ready for the cab.    Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on April 06, 2014, 02:34:40 PM
will metal cover it or does the coal get shoveled off the wood?

Tom C.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 06, 2014, 03:51:32 PM
A steel floor goes in the cab.

Start
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on April 06, 2014, 08:35:42 PM
Was the original deck oak as well?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on April 07, 2014, 10:27:47 AM
Gentlemen, this looks awesome!! Philip, some of this decking is original, Stewart can describe better than I...

Stephen 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 07, 2014, 08:35:49 PM
The Portland Company spec'd oak decking in some of it's plans.  Number 9 had ash decking when we brought it back to Maine in 1995. We believe that some (or most) of the wood was not the original from 1891, due to rot and damage from accidents.  The wood under the tank was in bad shape so the only pieces we were able to re-use were the outer/edge planks.  The edge planks are important because they are the most visible, are mortised for the cab verticles and drilled for the tension rods.  The edge planks were restored by removing some of the paint, light sanding and the application of linseed oil.  They will be painted black to match the cab and tender tank.

The next step is to cut holes for the two tank sumps (one on each side), the ashpan door lever and the blow down valve control.   
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on April 07, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
The Portland Company spec'd oak decking in some of it's plans.  Number 9 had ash decking when we brought it back to Maine in 1995. We believe that some (or most) of the wood was not the original from 1891, due to rot and damage from accidents.  The wood under the tank was in bad shape so the only pieces we were able to re-use were the outer/edge planks.  The edge planks are important because they are the most visible, are mortised for the cab verticles and drilled for the tension rods.  The edge planks were restored by removing some of the paint, light sanding and the application of linseed oil.  They will be painted black to match the cab and tender tank.

The next step is to cut holes for the two tank sumps (one on each side), the ashpan door lever and the blow down valve control.   

Thanks for the information, Stewart. I was curious because I thought railroad car builders in the 19th century tended to use other hardwoods such as ash and maple more frequently than oak, but I didn't know if this was true for Portland Company practice as well. What woods were used for the cab walls and pilot?

The decking looks amazing by the way.



Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 08, 2014, 03:01:20 AM
The locomotive did not have her original cow catcher/pilot.  The pilot seen in the photos from the farm and early days at Sheepscot was built in CT after 1936.  Note: Ash was the favored wood for pilots and the pilot beams were usually oak.  Number 9's cab has various woods but I believe the side frames are white oak.  I have not worked on the cab so Marcel could give you a better idea of the various species used. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on April 08, 2014, 09:27:22 PM
Very interesting. Thanks again Stewart.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Galo J. Hernandez 3rd on April 13, 2014, 04:00:32 AM
The cab is constructed from native White Ash "quarter sawn" and the fill of the panels is Poplar, the roof bead board a mix of spruce,pine and Fir.Galo 3rd.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Schade on April 22, 2014, 12:09:53 AM
we reainstalled the side rods after fixing the crank pins, re machining the brasses and making new bolts, shims and wedges.

here is a little video of the process:

http://youtu.be/4URC9YpCYPk (http://youtu.be/4URC9YpCYPk)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on April 22, 2014, 01:22:40 AM
Great work everyone! I know this is the result of many hours of exercising both mind and body and the results are wonderful to behold. Congratulations!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 27, 2014, 09:44:14 PM
Over the Spring Work Weekend, #9 got a lot of attention.  Among the projects were (A) the re-attachment of the builders plates, (B) test fitting of the cab front steel where the cab meets the boiler, (C) test fitting of the cab side panels, (D) test fitting of the running boards, (E) work on the firebox door seal and (F) filling and sanding of the screw pockets/holes in the top plate of the rear buffer beam.  Thanks to everyone who spent time helping to bring the locomotive closer to operation.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 23, 2014, 12:37:21 AM
The last few weeks have been very productive for the #9 crews.  Among the projects: 

* Pilot - The Harold and Alan Downey came up from TX and spent 3 weeks building a new pilot for the locomotive.  The first few days were spent building a new wood shop on the second floor of the shop building.  Their work with wood and the restoration/repair of the iron parts was fantastic.

* Front end - Rick Sisson worked on the steam delivery pipes.  Stephen Piwowarski worked on the pilot/smokebox brackets, running boards and brake release assembly.

* Jason, Jonathan, Brendan and a few other folks worked on a number of pieces including the vacuum brake system, tender tank and front cylinder plates.

* Cab - Marcel has spent a good bit of time repairing the roof, using epoxy to fix damaged wood.  The aim is to keep as much original wood as possible while making the cab solid and safe to last another 100 years.   
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 27, 2014, 04:18:34 AM
Number 9's new pilot built by Harold and Alan Downey.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0819.jpg)

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New running board made by Stephen Piwowarski.

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The water tank upside down in bay 2 for some welding in the bottom of the coal bunker. The welding is being to done to build up thin spots in the tank. Once we're done welding we will move on to sandblast and paint.

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Marcel is in the background working on the cab roof.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on June 28, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
Thanks for posting the pictures, Brendan.

I noticed that someone has also done some forge work on the cylinder-pilot support, and it looks great!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 28, 2014, 08:56:55 PM
Hi Alan,

Yes, Jason has worked on the pilot toe bracket.  It needs more work before being painted and installed, we'll have photos when it's on.

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 25, 2014, 04:52:44 PM
Pictures from a couple of weeks ago.

Injector placement and plumbing is being worked on. The bracket holding the fireman's injector is an original Portland Company part. A bracket for the engineers side is being made in the shop.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0660.jpg)

Work on modifying the pilot brace has been completed. Just waiting on a coat of black paint for installation.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0664.jpg)

Pilot to smoke box braces are in.

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Welding is still underway on the tank. Most of the tank is structurally sound except for the bottom joint in the coal bunker.

This is what the joint between the bottom and side sheets should look like. Note the nice thick side sheets riveted to a piece of angle iron. Bottom back corner fireman's side for reference.

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Joint between side and bottom sheets in the coal bunker.

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Welding under way to build the thin spots back up. The tank is wrought iron and was sealed with tar in the seams. Welding is difficult between the wrought iron, thin spots burning through, tar trying to burn back out, and you just can't get real clean metal. What seems to work best is make a 1st pass grind the pass clean and cover the 1st pass with a second pass keep everything water tight.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0658.jpg)






Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Thor Windbergs on August 12, 2014, 06:56:21 AM

Hey guys as I mentioned on the Facebook page "There are brand new copies of this injector type branded "Comodor" available in Brazil, in 6 sizes 1/2" to 2". If you need more let me know and I can contact my Brazilian ABPF connections." Included is a picture of a larger original Metropolitan injector with a brand new 3/4" Comodor that I brought from Brazil in 2009 and traded to Bernie Watts of Backshop Services for 9 1/2" Air pump parts. There was a good article showing alot about these injectors in the May/June 2005 Live Steam & Outdoor Railroading Magazine of which I have a pdf if someone wants to back channel me. From which the 8N should be 1" pipe fittings, which should feed 600ga/h over a 2ft lift by 80lb Steam pressure, says sized for 65-80hp engine/boiler...

I see that you are installing the vacuum brake systems again, this makes it pretty unique as I don't any other narrow gauge using original Ames Vacuum brake equipment. Do you or any one know of sources for these parts, steam ejector, brake cylinders etc. The South African and English may still have use vacuum but it is much more complicated and too large for just an engine and two cars of existing 2ft applications.

Is it planned to have the same simple Ames Vaccuum equipment on the No.11? If so does anyone have the information to design and make patterns for the ejector and parts? That is a project that could be useful to many small operations worldwide which I'd like to help research and develop.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 14, 2014, 09:43:51 PM
Much work has been done this week, especially with the injector piping.  Please go to the museums' facebook page for photos and to find out who put in A LOT of time on the project.  Hint: His name begins with J but it's not Jason  ???
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Andre Anderson on August 16, 2014, 05:59:02 AM
Much work has been done this week, especially with the injector piping.  Please go to the museums' facebook page for photos and to find out who put in A LOT of time on the project.  Hint: His name begins with J but it's not Jason  ???

Stewart,

Could you please post some of the photos here as some of us don't have a face book account and with out one they will not let look at the photos.

Andre
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on August 16, 2014, 05:25:32 PM
Much work has been done this week, especially with the injector piping.  Please go to the museums' facebook page for photos and to find out who put in A LOT of time on the project.  Hint: His name begins with J but it's not Jason  ???

Stewart,

Could you please post some of the photos here as some of us don't have a face book account and with out one they will not let look at the photos.

Andre

Andre,

Writing as a member of the facebook illiterati <grin>, I can understand why you think you need an account.  I first tried to find it on facebook and it did seem to insist that you sign up before letting you in.  Fortunately, that is not the case.  My best method to view the WW&F facebook page is to go to the official WW&F website, and click on the facebook icon (the lowercase white f in a blue circle), and it takes you right there.  Click on any picture to view the whole album. 

Harold
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Andre Anderson on August 16, 2014, 05:56:40 PM
Thanks Harold for the info on how to see the photos. :)

Andre
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 16, 2014, 10:40:00 PM
Hi Harold,

Thanks for helping Andre (and many others).  You gave the best advice.  We suggest that online visitors go to the WW&F website and look around then navigate to facebook, that way you'll get news and photos from both places.   Both museum sites have great information and each place has unique posts, some that the other does not. 

Thanks again,

Start
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bruce Mohn on September 07, 2014, 01:07:38 PM
Hi Folks:

I've been following the restoration thread for #9 for some time and am very impressed with the work being done.  I've read some posts that suggest that #9 might be ready for service in 2015.  I do realize that these things are subject to change without notice, but wondered if you might have a more concrete idea of when this could be expected to happen.  I am doing some long range planning for a trip to finally see the museum, hence the questions.

Thanks very much for sharing your efforts!

Best,

Bruce
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 07, 2014, 02:03:19 PM
This week -

* Brendan threaded the lower boiler drains and installed the bronze plugs.  

* Steam header pipes were installed in the smokebox.  The blast pipe was test fitted and Jonathan made a new stand off plate for the blower nozzle.  A new blower nozzle and supply line were test fitted.

* Jason and Jonathan had filled the boiler last week.  They heated the boiler (between 70 and 100 degrees) and ran a hydrostatic test up to a pressure of 140.  The test went fairly well with most of the new steam connections holding but there were some leaks.  

* Tank - Brendan has been working on the internal braces. New flat stock arrived this week and Brendan is making new braces using the old pieces as templates. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 08, 2014, 12:55:36 AM
This week -

* Brendan threaded the lower boiler drains and installed the bronze plugs.  

* Steam header pipes were installed in the smokebox.  The blast pipe was test fitted and Jonathan made a new stand off plate for the blower nozzle.  A new blower nozzle and supply line were test fitted.

* Jason and Jonathan had filled the boiler last week.  They heated the boiler (between 70 and 100 degrees) and ran a hydrostatic test up to a pressure of 140.  The test went fairly well with most of the new steam connections holding but there were some leaks.  

* Tank - Brendan has been working on the internal braces. New flat stock arrived this week and Brendan is making new braces using the old pieces as templates. 

This is good news. How much tweaking needs to be done?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 08, 2014, 01:09:29 AM
Repairs to new steam plumbing have been completed and retested.  We have some repairs to make up front on both an original cast iron steam pipe and in the steam passage of the cylinder/saddle casting- both due to casting flaws that likely blew through as a pin hole and grew when originally in service.  Repairs are underway already.

BTW Brendan was chasing pipe threads on existing washout holes of the boiler- as we did for all 9 washout openings.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on November 13, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
A new pattern for Number 9 number plate that reproduces the plate used by the WW&F.    Compare with the historical photograph from the WW&F roundhouse machine shop.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on November 13, 2014, 07:15:49 PM
Here is a better comparison, both from a similar oblique view:
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 13, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
And - when we want to pretend that it's SR&RL 6, we just flip the number around!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on November 13, 2014, 07:57:29 PM
When they are cast, you should have extras made in aluminum to sell in the gift shop.  Again, super work coming out of Texas.

Bernie
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 14, 2014, 07:05:59 PM
That's lovely -- great work!

FWIW, I believe her original Portland Company Sandy River RR #5 number plate is at the Phillips Historical Society.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 14, 2014, 09:21:41 PM
Mod note.
A discussion regarding the prefered method/materials for reproduction builders/number plates is now:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2356.0 (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2356.0)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 20, 2014, 12:30:28 AM
Number 9's new ash pan has been installed.

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Plumbing work.

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Engineer's injector.

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Fireman's injector.

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Hydro testing has been ongoing to check for and correct leaks in the piping.

Torpedo heater is used to get the boiler warm.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0359.jpg)

Original Maine Central hydro pump.

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Number 9's boiler pressure gauge. The small gauge above is the vacuum gauge for the brakes.

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Block off plates were made for the steam inlets into the valve chest so the cylinder casting and wishbone pipes could be hydro tested.

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The blocked off steam ports are under the square tubing.

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Unfortunately when the cylinder castings were pressurized a hole was discovered in the fireman's side casting. The hole is under repair but the pilot and cinder clean out had to be pulled off for access.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 20, 2014, 12:48:14 AM
I really like the pins that are used to hold the ash pan in place. Easy removal. Looks like more fine work from the machine shop
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on November 20, 2014, 02:34:50 AM
Sorry about all the bolts!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 22, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Dry hydro- including steam passages in cylinder castings.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 25, 2014, 03:20:36 PM
There's coal in the firebox and pressure on the gauge.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on November 25, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
Fantastic!!!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on November 25, 2014, 05:48:32 PM
I'm definitely looking forward to photos!  Will anyone make a recording of the first whistle blow?  Brendan?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on November 25, 2014, 06:28:27 PM
Jason can this be fixed by simply tapping the hole an running a bolt in or is the break a crack?
                                   Paul
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on November 25, 2014, 07:02:14 PM
Paul, I believe Jason has already fixed the hole in the cylinder casting.  That is what was meant by the comment, "Dry hydro - including steam passages in cylinder castings."  He had managed to make the repair.  However, I guess we'll have to wait for Jason or someone else up there, when they have time, to explain the repair process.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 25, 2014, 07:30:17 PM
Jason explained it to me so let me see if I can explain it to others.

The cylinder casting is not a solid casting, but is hollow in places.  Jason estimated the location of the leak from the outside, and drilled a hole into the outer casting.  He was pretty close to the leak in the pipe, so he widened the outer hole.  He then drilled into the live steam pipe portion of the casting and did another test.  He missed the leak by a little bit, but figured he could probably block it.  So then I think he tapped it, put a plug in it, epoxied around the plug, then somehow stuck some goo from the steam side to seal it.  Since he couldn't reach the leak from the bottom very well, he did all this through the hole in the outer casting, I think.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 26, 2014, 12:48:18 AM
As a tease - here's a photo (from Stewart, presumably) from today's steam test.

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More information can be found at http://www.wwfry.org/?p=391 (http://www.wwfry.org/?p=391), which contains a link to the Facebook post also.

Unfortunately, I got there too late to catch any action!  Stupid work.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 26, 2014, 01:27:41 AM
Work is the curse of the leisure class!

This is excellent news, James. Thanks for the tease. I went to Facebook and checked it all out. Kudos to all those involved.

What a great Thanksgiving present!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 26, 2014, 01:39:21 AM
The photo shows Rick and Jason testing the vacuum brake master valve.  Even though it hasn't been used in over 80 years it worked perfectly!  Eric is seated on the deck as he applies graphite to the backhead.  He did the smokebox as well and both look great.

Start
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on November 26, 2014, 02:48:50 AM
What a moment. Many have waited for this and some who has passed will never hear it.
It is a tribute to all both past and present.
Harry Percival would be beaming.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 26, 2014, 08:40:08 PM
Pictures from the first steam up. A note about the pictures. I use photobucket to host my pictures and photobucket's picture resizer is not being cooperative today. So some pictures are big and some are small.

Just after lighting the fire.

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Adding  more wood.

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Look inside the smoke box. The copper line feeds the blower nozzle and you can just see the top of the blast pipes.

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First scoop of coal.

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Second scoop.

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Blowing down the water glass.

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Only place you can see a Portland Company locomotive hooked up to a computer.

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Coal smoke in the air.

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View from the car barn staging and the first tine the safety popped.

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Blowing out steam passages in the cylinder castings.

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Setting the valves to blow out exhaust passages.

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Open the throttle and

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you get rained on.

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Second whistle of the day.

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Rest of the pictures.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on November 26, 2014, 10:16:35 PM
First, I gotta say that this was a real exciting day. If you go back to the first post in this thread (made in 2009) and page through the years, you can get a proper sense of the work, thought, effort and dedication of everyone who has contributed. At the head of that list is our CM Jason, whose fanatical obsession with detail and to get it right has been the 'pilot truck' for us all. For someone who saw this engine snoozing away in a shed in Connecticut 50 years ago, far from home, it will only be exceeded by the first turn of her drivers under her own power.
We were hoping to be able to measure the vacuum created by the exhaust and blower in the smokebox, but unfortunately the transducer wasn't sensitive enough to measure the vacuum we were able to achieve. Next time we should be able to get some measurements. The idea is to be able to adjust the components in the exhaust system to improve the draft and being able to actually measure the vacuum should make this much easier. A laptop allows the recording of the vacuum in real time while under way.
However, we may not need a lot of improvement on 9. Steam issued from the open whistle valve about 55 minutes after the fire was lit. So the boiler would appear to steam pretty well already. No. 10 might benefit from whatever we can learn, as that engine can be difficult to fire at times due to its small boiler.
Impressive was how well the steam-up went. The major issues were with the injectors. The N type Metropolitan on the fireman's side didn't seem to want to work, but after some tightening and experimentation we found out it worked really quite well. It is just very different than the dual tube types we are used to. The engineer's side is a dual tube but it was fussy and needs some attention.

I'm sure Jason will tell us more.


Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chris McChesney on November 27, 2014, 03:15:43 AM
Good evening and what a Happy Pre-Thanksgiving we have been given!

Long time reader, first time poster.  Yup, I was on the old Forum "back in the day," but then the busy-ness of having kids set in and I've just been a "lurker."  Yes, I admit it -so sue me.  ;)

Anyway, I have been a member since the early days and I am so proud of all the work I have been watching with great interest for all these years.  I have read every issue several times -is that wrong?!  I've been up to Sheepscot many, many times and had quite a few memorable cab rides etc. 

I am thankful for all the volunteers, their hard work and dedication!

This is one of the WW&F Ry. Museum's "Best Days Ever!"

Chris McChesney
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 27, 2014, 05:32:31 AM
Whistle video.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/th_IMG_24041.mp4) (http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_24041.mp4)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on November 28, 2014, 04:40:39 AM
I can't get it to open.  :-\
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on November 28, 2014, 11:06:24 AM
So beautiful seeing her come alive.
Mike
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 28, 2014, 03:12:33 PM
I can't get it to open.  :-\
I right-clicked and chose "Open link in new tab." That worked.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 29, 2014, 01:10:51 AM
Another awesome milestone, noteworthy enough to make me edit the thank you letters. Great work by all involved. And, we made the preservation news in the most recent (January 2015) Trains Magazine.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bruce Mohn on November 29, 2014, 01:25:47 PM
Is there sound with the whistle video? I can open it and have adjusted the sound icons, but nothing.  Great pics and great news that the reconstruction is moving along so well.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 29, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
There is sound and it was working when I just clicked on the video.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 29, 2014, 03:06:42 PM


For Jason,
 Is the whistle in the video the new whistle that was just cast for #9 ?
dwight
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on November 29, 2014, 03:44:25 PM
Hey Dwight,

For once- I actually have the "inside scoop", despite my proximity. Jason and I had planned for the bell to be cast horizontally in the mold, and designed a pattern with a balanced core as such. It was cast a few weeks ago, but the metal was cooling too quickly to allow for the casting to form without large voids. So Gordon talked with the foundry, and they wanted to have the pattern modified so that the bell would be cast vertically, along with some changes made to the core box design. Gordon then kindly sent the patterns back to Texas, where I finished making/modifying all of the wooden bits yesterday. And I've go one foot out the door to go cast the plaster core boxes today. We'll try and get the patterns and core boxes back up to the foundry as soon as we can.

Congratulations to everyone involved with #9's restoration and steam testing. It was a wonderful bit of news to compliment Thanksgiving this week.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 29, 2014, 06:08:30 PM
Two different whistles were tried during the steam-up. The first one had an issue with the lever, making it very difficult to blow. I don't think we had used this first whistle before and I don't recall anyone relaying its origin.

The second whistle was the one that #10 wore briefly a few months ago. It is just as loud and shrill on #9 as it was on #10.

Neither whistle is unique to #9; and as Alan noted, neither whistle is the one #9 will wear when she re-enters service on the WW&F.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 02, 2014, 04:03:38 AM
Number 9 was fired up today for more testing and to supply steam to clean Number 10's tubes.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on December 02, 2014, 04:17:25 AM
Wow! The yard is sure looking BUSY these days... :D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 02, 2014, 04:52:32 AM
The second picture in the series certainly shows a big difference in boiler diameters between 9 and 10.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on December 02, 2014, 02:46:58 PM
John;
Agreed! I just stared at the second picture. I hadn't seen them side by side before. Walking by them in the machine shop just doesn't give you the perspective that Brendan's photo does.
Dave
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on December 02, 2014, 03:27:57 PM
Walking by them in the machine shop just doesn't give you the perspective that Brendan's photo does.

You'll notice it more once 9's put together. All of a sudden you won't be able to squeeze by places that 9's parked that you would with 10.

We get that all the time in the shop down in Portland when we switch 4 and 7 around. There's a lot less space between the engine and the work bench when 7's in that part of the shop.

The second picture in the series certainly shows a big difference in boiler diameters between 9 and 10.

Keep in mind there's also a little bit of forced perspective going on in that 2nd photo that the 1st one helps to detail. 10's on a lower track and parked further away, so it'll appear smaller. The Lord of the Rings movies used this sort of image trickery to make the actors playing the hobbits look even smaller than they were whenever they had to be on screen with "larger" individuals. The Three Stooges used it to great comedic effect, too, when they stuffed Curly and Larry into undersized/oversized clothes to make them look larger/smaller than they actually were.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on December 02, 2014, 04:58:36 PM
Looking at the photos, I'm just thankful I wasn't the person bucking the rivets for No. 10's smokebox; No. 9's smokebox was a squeeze as it was, both for drilling the holes, as well as bucking the rivets.  Right, Wayne and Stephen H?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 04, 2014, 10:09:34 PM
Forced perspective, track levels, or whatever, there still is a mighty big difference in size between the two machines. When looking at old photos taken up on the SR&RL, the little Portland engines seem just that. . . little. Compared with the big tender engines especially.  So it seems as if the 0-4-4Ts were not as small as we always have thought them to be.  It will be interesting to see the #9 in service out on the line for a real idea of what they looked like so long ago.

Richard Symmes
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on December 08, 2014, 01:21:51 PM
Bill, seeing the two engines together in the same stall, #9 is about 1.5 times the size of #10. The boiler is much larger, wheels bigger, cab taller and a little bigger, and the tank is larger as well. The track height may have a little play in this, but not much. I have an old post card some where of 9 & 10 side by side, and 9 makes the 10 look like a little kid that hasn't hit her growth spurt yet.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 14, 2014, 05:39:48 PM
Article in the Wiscasset Newspaper.

http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/alna-museum-rebuilds-19th-century-locomotive/45091
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on January 14, 2015, 03:26:35 AM
Hi All,

Did #9 have snifting valves? I can only recall seeing them on piston equipped/superheated engines so I guess the larger question is whether slide valve engines incorporated them. I recently read something that suggested engines with balanced valves might have them (I think it was Meyer's Modern Locomotive Construction) but what dictates the choice to apply or not apply them to a locomotive?

Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on January 14, 2015, 12:16:27 PM
Hi All,

Did #9 have snifting valves? I can only recall seeing them on piston equipped/superheated engines so I guess the larger question is whether slide valve engines incorporated them. I recently read something that suggested engines with balanced valves might have them (I think it was Meyer's Modern Locomotive Construction) but what dictates the choice to apply or not apply them to a locomotive?

Thanks,
Steve
Steve, Drifting valves (Snifting valve  is the British terminology)  were used on saturated steam locomotives as well as superheated and piston valve locomotives. All locomotives create a vacuum in the cylinders when drifting. (moving without the throttle open) With a partial vacuum in the cylinders you draw cinders from the smoke box down into the cylinders. In just a quick look in Two Feet to Tidewater is looks like the WW&F had drifting valves on just about everything. Whether No.9 had them or not I can't say...but I suspect it probably did.
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 14, 2015, 12:49:08 PM
As I recall there are no ports available on the steam chest for this purpose- but I haven't studied closely yet.  They've been on my list to study, decide, then make if necessary.

My preference would be to have them.  No 7 had them- my thought was to make a pattern to match BLW's drifting valve, then apply it to 9, 10 and someday 11.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on January 14, 2015, 03:29:54 PM
Some steam locomotives had a single drifting valve located on the steam header in the smoke box and not on the steam chests.
The vent for the drifting valve would then be located on the top of the smoke box above the steam header.

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 21, 2015, 06:27:55 AM
Number 9 update.

Eric has been working on the linkage for the cylinder cocks. The engineer's side handrail doubles as part of the linkage.

Handle inside the cab that rotates the handrail.

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Handrail running down the boiler the curved rod at the front runs down to the linkge under the cylinder casting.

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Linkage under the cylinder saddle. The bent levers under the cylinders will attach to the cylinder cocks.

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The steel plating for the cab deck is being worked on. The water tank's outline is chalked on the deck.

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The two pieces of steel screwed into the deck are original to when the engine was in Wiscasset originally. The little doglegs that stick out to the deck edges are in the doorways into the cab. The pieces that fill in the middle and go under the tank were eaten away by the reaction with the coal dust over the years. A template was made from plywood and a new piece of quarter inch plate has been cut out for the rest of the floor.

New piece of steel cut out for the floor sitting on the green cart. The plywood template is in the background.

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Jason and Jonthan have been working on the cross head guides. I know tram wires had to be run and alot of machine work done to the guides. Jason can explain.

Engineer's side on the engine.

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Fireman's side sitting on the work bench.

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The pistons are back from machining In Pennsylvania

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Wes has started to insulate the boiler. The black piece hanging is a plastic template for the actual boiler jacket.

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There has also been alot of work going on involving the vacuum brake system on the engine. There was a successful test on a vaccum cylinder with a newly reproduced diaphragm. I forgot take a picture but I will get one tomorrrow.



Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on February 02, 2015, 05:02:36 PM
Very exciting to see the progress on #9. It will be really amazing to see #9, 10, & 11 one day steamed up together in the yard and near the roundhouse together.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Rick Rowlands on February 05, 2015, 05:17:53 AM
It appears that the backhead has been painted.  What was used as a coating? 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 05, 2015, 02:05:24 PM
Graphite and linseed oil, just like the smokebox.  Eric did that during the first fire up.  Looks a nice dark grey in person.

Also- no 9 decidedly did not have drifting valves.  None of the 2-foot PoCo locos did when new.  The WW&F had retrofitted 2&3 to include them later in life.  There's no provision on the steam pipe header either- that seems to me to be a larger engine application.


See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on February 05, 2015, 03:21:26 PM
Graphite and linseed oil, just like the smokebox.
I'm glad to see that linseed oil is involved. Harry would be proud. ;)
-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 08, 2015, 02:43:34 AM
Number 9 update

One of the vacuum pot/cylinders for the brakes with a new reproduction diaphragms.The new diaphragm is the shiny black part.

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The pistons have been installed and piston rings have been ordered and should arrive shortly. The pistons are bolted together in segments so the rings can be installed with the pistons in the cylinders.

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Work continues on the cylinder cocks and linkage.

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The cross heads have been fitted and the main rods installed. Measurements are being taken to machine the rod bearings.

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The steam pipe for blowing out the cinder pocket has been installed.

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Cinder pocket

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In operation the crew would open this access hole into the smoke box and push all the cinders into the pocket.

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The cinder pocket viewed through the access hole.

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Cinder pocket viewed through the smoke box door. The blast pipe is in the background.

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The wheel loosens the screw clamp that holds the cover on the end of the cinder pocket.

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Once the pockets open you open the steam valve [red handle] on the boiler and blower the cinder pocket out and any other cinders you push down in the pocket.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on February 08, 2015, 02:31:56 PM
Thank you for the great photos, Brendan! I think I understand for the first time how the cinder pocket is supposed to work. (That little wheel under the smokeboxes of the various Portland Co. Forneys had always been a mystery to me!)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 08, 2015, 07:40:17 PM
I'm not positive, but at that level on the boiler barrel, instead of emitting steam, wouldn't the valve emit hot water?

Steve
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on February 08, 2015, 09:08:07 PM
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a considerable fraction of the water would flash to steam, perhaps even in the pipe on the way to the pocket, owing to pressure drop.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on February 08, 2015, 09:23:58 PM
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a considerable fraction of the water would flash to steam, perhaps even in the pipe on the way to the pocket, owing to pressure drop.
Steve and Steve, Steve S. Is correct, as water boils at a higher temperatureunder pressure, the water will instantly flash off into steam when at atmospheric pressure.
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 08, 2015, 09:58:11 PM
That makes more sense. I neglected to consider the pressure change! Thanks!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on February 09, 2015, 02:09:51 AM
That brings up a question about try cocks. In normal operation, does the output of an under-water try cock instantly flash to steam? If so, that would be very similar to the result of opening an above-water (i.e. steam) try cock. Does enough water come out of an under-water try cock before the instant-flash to give the crew an indication of the real water level?

-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 09, 2015, 02:14:09 AM
Let's see if I can explain the physics.

For a given pressure, when exposed to atmosphere a certain percentage of the water wants to flash to steam, but not all of it.  So with the try cocks, the bottom cock (if submerged in water) will blow out a mixture of steam and water.  The top one, if all steam, blows out just steam.  The trick is hearing the difference. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on February 09, 2015, 02:36:18 AM
Indeed, PV=nRT.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 09, 2015, 03:22:46 AM
Interesting info guys. Thanks! I had been doing a bit of reading since my last post and wound up finding that, according to the source I was reading, it is quite difficult to actually ascertain the level of water using the try cocks, hence the introduction of the glass as a standard safety feature. Interestingly, the same source mentioned that on the Gettysburg, when the fireman were interviewed after "the incident" none of them could accurately describe the procedure for testing the function of a water glass. Uh oh!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 09, 2015, 09:14:06 AM
James is dead on- only a percentage flashes.  At one time I heard oy 17%, but the actual percentage depends on the enthalpy of the water at a given pressure and temperature.  I never bothered to run the numbers at our operating levels but am content to understand the concept and let it explain why, amongst other things, try cocks work.  That's also why the ground is very wet where the boiler blowdown strikes it.  If all the water flashed, the ground would only be a bit wet from condensate.

I've never had trouble hearing the difference between water and steam out a try cock- I think that's just an excuse for poorly trained crews.  The real problem with try cocks is the artificial rise in water level at the back end of the boiler due to steam rising through the body of water and normal water circulation (which is ferociously upward at the backhead).  Thus "riding the edge" on the bottom try cock when under heavy load might actually be "over the edge," so to speak.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 09, 2015, 12:03:53 PM
Another way to view it:  a unit quantity of water at boiling point contains so much energy.  It takes energy to create a unit quantity of steam- far more energy than that held by the same unit quantity of water at the boiling point of that pressure.

  If the pressure is suddenly reduced, that water necessarily boils, as a way of releasing the excess heat, but becasue it doesn't contain enough heat to create an equivalent amount of steam, only a portion turns to steam.  The remaining water gives up excess heat by reducing its temperature to a point just below the boiling point of the new pressure.

Thus the governing factor in how much water flashes to steam is the difference in pressure, or, more to the point, the difference in boiling point and the diference in heat-of-evaporation at those two pressures.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on February 09, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Jason,  Is this the same as latent heat?  When steam gives up heat energy before it condenses?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 12, 2015, 08:13:41 PM
Latent heat is that which is added to change the phase of a substance and, consequently, doesn't change its temperature.  With regard to this discussion- the total heat of the water prior to depressurizing doesn't include any latent evaporation heat.  The final combination of some flash steam and some water represents the same total mass of h2o and same total heat- it's simply distributed differently- including a portion which is latent evaporative heat in the flash steam.  It didn't keep going and all flash because the temperature of the remaining water fell below the boiling point of the new pressure.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on February 13, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
Ahh.  That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 14, 2015, 04:55:47 AM
Castings for number 9's whistle and number plate arrived from the foundry tonight.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_5.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_5.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_4.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_2.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_1.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on February 14, 2015, 11:12:06 AM
Wow, those castings look great even in their rough state.  You should cast a second set and put them for sale in the gift shop.  It will be great to see a locomotive with an original style whistle.  Hats off to Alan.

Bernie
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 22, 2015, 12:19:22 AM
Meanwhile, Greg K. was busy experimenting with polishes and polishers, various grits of sand paper, and different power tools, trying to get the sheets shined up. Here, he has gotten a spot to shine. you can see the reflection of a post in the right hand of the sheet.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/polishing_zpsd21d278e.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 02, 2015, 02:40:10 PM
Yesterday, the #9 crew held a rare Sunday work session.  Jason, Brendan, Randy, J.B. and Greg did more polishing work on the boiler jacket sheets. The sheets will soon be cut to match the templates.  There are photos from Saturday's polish work on the facebook page, the Sunday photos would be similar except the iron has more shine.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 16, 2015, 03:49:59 AM
I noticed the number plate made it onto the smoke box door. Sorry cell phone pictures.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_2611.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_2615.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 16, 2015, 07:04:40 AM
Wow that's beautiful!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 02, 2015, 09:24:20 PM
4 Photos from Jason....
(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/image1.jpg)


(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/image2.jpg)


(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/image3.jpg)


(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/image4.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 02, 2015, 09:28:41 PM
First two pics show Leverett Fernald surface grinding no 9's valves.  Thanks so much to Leverett and Cianbro for this donation!

Next shows Eric's progress on the whistle.  Only a few details left!

Last shows my set up, using a "tool post grinder" to refinish no 9's valve stems.  The "tool post grinder" doubles as the shop's bench grinder...

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 02, 2015, 10:00:04 PM
These parts all look so beautiful it seems a shame to get them oily and greasy.  ;D
-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on April 03, 2015, 01:07:26 AM
That whistle looks great and is unique in its design.  I can't wait to hear it on #9.

Bernie
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 03, 2015, 11:21:19 AM
With that short of a bell (resonator) I think that whistle will be a piercingly shrill screamer.
I wonder what the neighbors will think?

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 03, 2015, 11:38:19 AM
It is longer and larger in diameter than the hooter that was on no 10 last year.  More importantly (to me anyway) it replicates the whistle that was on no 9 for most of it's life, including its time at our railroad. 

Don't think European shrill; think of no 10's hooter from last year as a starting point- it'll be slightly deeper and hopefully without too many overtones.  We'll see...

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 03, 2015, 12:25:23 PM
However... We have noticed that one of the railroads (prior to the WW&F) shortened the bell on the PoCo whistle.  You can see this clearly in one of the photos of the loco on the KC.  This would change the proportion of the whistle bell- and affect the sound (need a sound engineer, here, Gordon, or a pipe organ restorer, Keith).

We made the repro to the original PoCo drawing- ie longer.  It can always be cut, but I hope that it sounds alright as is.

Edit- thinking on it more- I don't see cutting this bell.  Me may cast another to be shorter, and may first experiment with a temporary bell just to see if it's worth it.  This one will stay as is though.  Hopefully it'll sound great.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 03, 2015, 01:09:04 PM
The shorter the bell the higher the pitch. The diameter of the bell determines the timbre of the musical note.
You will probably have to spend some time changing the height of the lip of the bell from the languid in order to get the whistle to speak properly and minimize the harmonics.
Sounds like a great job for Steve P. as he is an organ pipe maker!
The whistle is a beautiful piece.

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on April 03, 2015, 03:49:56 PM
Eric, the work you've done to take the pile of crusty castings and make a finished whistle out of them has been a joy to watch. There were a lot of finicky aesthetic details built into the pattern/casting, and they must have been a nightmare to polish up without making them disappear. I'm sure the result will speak for itself, but it looks splendid as well. By the looks of the progress that's been made in the past week, I hope the spool and plate castings weren't holding you up for too long.

However it sounds, it'll sound right.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on April 03, 2015, 03:54:39 PM
If the whistle is too shrill for modern ears, you could make chambers of different length out of sheet brass and press them into the bell and it would sound similar to the one on #10.  It would take trained eyes to see the difference.

Bern
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 03, 2015, 04:37:08 PM
My hope is to restore no 9's sound as much as look- for better or worse.  If it's just too "for worse," I suppose we'll have this conversation again...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hansel Fardon on April 07, 2015, 05:23:53 PM
Since there seems to be confusion,

The wider the whistle, the louder it gets.

The longer the the whistle, the deeper it gets.

Short & chubby= high pitched (#9's whistle)
Long & skinny= deep pitched
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 07, 2015, 05:40:36 PM
Since there seems to be confusion,

The wider the whistle, the louder it gets.

The longer the the whistle, the deeper it gets.

Short & chubby= high pitched (#9's whistle)
Long & skinny= deep pitched
Not quite Hansel....width does not make it louder. It affects the timbre or "character" of the sound. The whistle's "loudness" is a function of pressure.
The length of the resonator determines the musical note played. The longer the bell the lower the note. Long and skinny will give a low pitch.....but a thin nasal sound. Long and a wide bell gives the deep resonant note. Short and wide gives a high pitched but resonant note.
But to return to your premise...the diameter of the bell doesn't affect how loud it is. The reason you can "quill" a whistle to change the volume is because you are changing the pressure admitted to the whistle by limiting the amount of steam entering the whistle.
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 07, 2015, 05:52:20 PM
Here is an example of a long bell small diameter whistle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfl3hAveRoE
You can hear it is playing a low musical note....but it has a thin nasal sound.
Not the deep rich sound you might hear in a steam boat.
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on April 07, 2015, 06:41:41 PM
AHHH!  A old time trolley car whistle.

dwight
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 07, 2015, 07:59:29 PM
AHHH!  A old time trolley car whistle.

dwight
Yes...a Westinghouse "trombone" whistle. Interurbans and MU cars like the Pennsylvania RR's MP-54's used these whistles.

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 07, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
What I think has been missing so far is a discussion of harmonics, i.e. multiples of the fundamental frequency of the whistle. If the fundamental frequency is 1000 Hertz, there are also some other frequencies present, such as 2000, 4000, etc. These are all pressure waves that need some space to do their thing - i.e. resonate. A wider whistle will provide the space for more pressure waves of varying harmonic frequencies and hence a "richer" tone. A narrow whistle will only provide space for the fundamental frequency without any overtones - hence a shrill sound. The foregoing is a bit of a hand-wave, but I believe it is correct.

Indeed, as Hansel says short and stubby = high pitched, and long and skinny = deep pitched, but I'll add that wide = rich and skinny = shrill.

-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 07, 2015, 08:40:04 PM
Here's a perfect example of what John is saying above. It's Norfolk & Western No. 1281. The N&W's standard freight "hooter" was made from a piece of superheater flue -- just a hunk of steel pipe. But check out the overtones and undertones demonstrated by the engineer's wrist action on the whistle lever. And as a bonus, listen for the Doppler Effect as the engine passes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBm-ONvNhS4
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 07, 2015, 09:09:41 PM
Here's a perfect example of what John is saying above. It's Norfolk & Western No. 1281. The N&W's standard freight "hooter" was made from a piece of superheater flue -- just a hunk of steel pipe. But check out the overtones and undertones demonstrated by the engineer's wrist action on the whistle lever. And as a bonus, listen for the Doppler Effect as the engine passes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBm-ONvNhS4
Wayne....you are not hearing overtones and undertones; you are hearing pitch modulation when the engineer quills the whistle. There certainly are a LOT of harmonics in that whistle and that comes from the steam sheet hitting the mouth of the resonator. A smoother surface would reduce the harmonics. In organ pipes when you want to eliminate the harmonics they glue leather to the lip of the pipe to eliminate the "bite."
 Again my area is pipe organs and having a bigger cross section doesn't necessarily mean more harmonics. A 6" diameter diapason is full of harmonics, yet the same 6" diameter in a Tibia Clausa has virtually no harmonics.
Keith
P.S. I think we are getting a little far afield of the topic No.9! I suggest that Ed move the whistle topic elsewhere. It is a very interesting topic....but not really on topic here.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on April 07, 2015, 09:52:47 PM
Besides, who gives a hoot...........(ducks again)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hansel Fardon on April 07, 2015, 11:32:35 PM
Hey Keith,
I was just trying to dumb it down for those who aren't into whistles.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 07, 2015, 11:37:52 PM
There is a topic in work and events called new whistles for 9 and 10... Perhaps it should move there. 

I look forward to hearing no 9's whistle- Eric basically finished it up today.  Really, with the work that went into it and the fact that it reproduces the historical sound (as much as we know how anyway), it'll have to be REALLY bad to deserve any drastic changes.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on April 08, 2015, 03:46:40 AM
I'm looking forward to hearing this historic sound recreated in all its glory. I've been enjoying this topic from afar and love all of the good information that has gone into it. One thing that I believe has yet to be mentioned is the height of the cut up- that is the distance of the bottom of the bell away from the windway. The higher this cut up is the lower the fundamental frequency or pitch of the whistle. This whistle appears to have a fairly high cut up. That, paired with a relatively short, stout bell should produce a sound rich in overtones, that can be feathered with great variation in pitch. I can't wait.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on April 09, 2015, 01:10:10 PM
Not meaning to derail the whistle conversation, these are just a few shop pictures around No 9.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8797/17086556422_33b0530b2a_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7727/17087348771_e4c8e84542_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7680/17087345901_e57479a507_b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 09, 2015, 02:53:55 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what holds the tapered wedges in place?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 09, 2015, 03:01:48 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what holds the tapered wedges in place?
Friction....just like a Morse Taper holds a drill chuck onto a drill press or a Jacobs taper holds the drill chuck in place on a portable electric drill.

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 09, 2015, 03:04:50 PM
Thanks, Keith.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on April 09, 2015, 07:49:20 PM
Great pictures! What are we looking at in the top two?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 09, 2015, 08:29:38 PM
Piston rod packing glands, with new metallic packing cast by Gordon Cook.  These parts are now installed.

A little correction to Keith's post: the rod wedges are held by set screws, threaded through the wedge keeper (not seen in that photo) into the side of the wedge.  That's Portland Company design; there's enough whipping action that without a keeper the wedge would launch out of the slot.  We needed to make two new keepers; volunteer Phil Bleauvelt made them over the last couple of weeks.

I've asked Ed to post a few photos I took today as well.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 09, 2015, 09:19:16 PM
Jason,

Your mention of "whipping action" reminds me of #10's tendency to throw the tops of the lubrication cellars (?) onto the R-O-W where Clarissa Percival would recover them during her walks. I also remember that Gordon Cook made a reduced size model of the mechanism in his garage in an effort to analyze it. How did we ever solve that problem?

-John M
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on April 09, 2015, 10:15:29 PM
We were actually documenting these in order to compare the two...

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8810/16906426049_66e9e164a9_b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 10, 2015, 12:26:25 AM
3 photos from Jason:


Dry fit for valve boxes:
(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/IMG_0179.JPG)



Dry fit for whistle:
(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/IMG_0180.JPG)



Rod view shows bearing wedge keepers made new by volunteer Phil Bleauvelt, per PoCo design.
(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/IMG_0181.JPG)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 10, 2015, 12:32:40 AM
Thank you very much, Ed!

In the end Gordon permanently attached the caps; the cups are now filled through a small inlet hole with a pump can.  In other words, enough is enough.  We're still finding those dang caps in the ditches...

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 10, 2015, 12:37:44 AM
If you look carefully at the pic no 10's rod ends, you'll see fly-ash has settled all over the bearings, etc.  This got down in between the bearing halves and wreaked havoc on the new (11 years old now) crank pins.  Because of this we fit felt strips between no 9's bearing halves.  You can see it in stephen's picture on the previous page (that taken prior to installation of the wedge keeper).

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on April 10, 2015, 01:49:31 AM
More great pictures! And thanks for the explanations, Jason. It's really great that you experts, on sight, share this wealth of information with the rest of us. I always look forward to these posts. I'm really excited about getting to see her in person (in locomotive?) during the work weekend.

Thanks again,
John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Rick Rowlands on April 10, 2015, 02:20:08 AM
Jason,
The felt strips is a great idea.  I'll have to remember that.
Thanks
Rick
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 10, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
Jason, does the wedge keeper set screw screw into the wedge? If not it is still technically friction holding it in place....just from two directions.
 :)
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 18, 2015, 01:26:27 AM
For your listening and viewing pleasure, here is Steam Into History No. 17. The whistle on this locomotive looks very similar to the one recently constructed for No. 9, so I believe this is about what No. 9's will sound like. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ra-HgpNIFk

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hansel Fardon on April 22, 2015, 11:29:01 PM
Jason decided to put on a better sounding bell. After I learned how to thread a metal rod (clapper), it was put in place of the old bell.

Here's a little teaser! :-)

http://youtu.be/JSloYrhLIow

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on April 22, 2015, 11:35:35 PM
It has a nice ring to it.
Lots of a-peal.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on April 23, 2015, 06:21:16 PM
My Monday 4/20 post re No. 9’s bell vanished—don’t know why. Here is attempt # 2:

On Monday Eric Schade chucked No. 9’s brass bell in the lathe and polished it, with excellent results.

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/Number%20Nine%20Bell/IMG_2550_zpsyzolidip.jpg)


Wish I’d made a “before” picture to contrast with this “after” shot.

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/Number%20Nine%20Bell/IMG_2549_zpsrtl3mopk.jpg)


Eric used polishing compound, fine sandpaper, steel wool and a Scotch-Brite kitchen cleaning pad.

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/Number%20Nine%20Bell/IMG_2555_zpsyn5yszhb.jpg)





Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on April 23, 2015, 07:43:17 PM
Beautiful. Nice work, Eric.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Linc Reed-Nickerson on May 04, 2015, 01:53:25 AM
I've been out of circulation for a while, back surgery, which had a good outcome.  I'm back from 5 months volunteer work at Puffing Billy.  While I was there I lapped in several whistle valve seats.  But it occurs to me the #9 whistle in going to sound very much like the whistles on Na's at Puff.  I hope it is not as high pitched as the Garratt, (G42) which has, as you might expect, a distinctly British sound....

Linc
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on June 17, 2015, 03:08:53 PM
When all this fine work is done, and #9 is operational, do you have any kind of documentary (dvd or such) that shows the start to finish rebuild? I'm thinking of something that could be sold to visitors and others to generate income for the railway.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on June 17, 2015, 03:43:17 PM
I would think that interest in this story would go way out - like to the rest of the rail preservation world!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 17, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Nothing as of yet - but Stephen Hussar has been taking pictures and filming the work on it for many years.  All this can be incorporated into a restoration DVD.  I would think the DVD unlikely to come out in 2015.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Troy Congdon on June 17, 2015, 09:20:27 PM
Something like that would be a powerful fund raising tool for 11. Showing that the group is able to take a locomotive from a pile of parts to completion would instill confidence in donors that funds provided towards 11 would not be wasted and would further give a rough idea of timelines on projects of this magnitude.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on June 19, 2015, 12:01:12 PM
Very nice work done by Jonathan St. Mary - a replica oiler that matches one from #8!

All of the comments on RyPN concerning how to paint the cab...  I feel the use of varnish outer coats give a depth to the finish, similar to the glass on a mirror.  The layers of varnish also protect the paint and lettering from some of the scratches that will occur during use of the locomotive.  Just my two cents' worth.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 04, 2015, 11:24:41 PM
Friday I was at the Museum and Zack mentioned that he had seen the jacket sheets in the back of Jason's truck, after they had been polished.  He said they looked just like chrome.  If we wanted to skip the blueing we could have a chrome engine.

I guessing Jason arrives in Cleveland on Monday, and a few hours later will have fully treated jacket sheets.  I'm looking forward to some pictures.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 08, 2015, 12:41:52 AM
Today our jacket sheets got the oxide treatment.  I know because I got the statement  ;)  Still looking forward to pictures.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 08, 2015, 01:36:37 AM
Here is the teaser pic from Jason.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/Mobile%20Uploads/image_4.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 08, 2015, 11:13:33 AM
That is purdy. Too bad to get it all dirty with soot.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 08, 2015, 11:39:35 AM
Is there any thought that when #10 is due for heavy shopping that we would want to redo the jacketing to match #9?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Greg Klein on July 08, 2015, 03:20:02 PM
Wow!  We put in a good effort ourselves but we never would have been able to achieve those results.  Having it done by folks with the right tools was the right choice.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 09, 2015, 01:03:16 AM
Charter with #9 on Sept 12th!

I just got an email from the Mass Bay RRE annoucing a charter with #9 on Sat, Sept 12th. Looks like the race to completion is on! 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 09, 2015, 02:40:25 AM
Looks like the engine crew will have to wear sunglasses!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 09, 2015, 03:21:00 AM
Charter with #9 on Sept 12th!

I just got an email from the Mass Bay RRE annoucing a charter with #9 on Sat, Sept 12th. Looks like the race to completion is on! 


They say, "We'll be celebrating the anticipated return to service of Locomotive #9, culminating a 20-year restoration to operating condition by the WW&F." They don't actually say that it will be running. They say "anticipated return to service."
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jonathan B. Smith on July 09, 2015, 09:55:44 AM
MBRR (of the Sept 12 charter) has been told that we are hopeful #9 will by then be on line, but that there is no guarantee. 
They are going with a "maybe."
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 09, 2015, 12:07:45 PM
The email from MBRRE (to members? ) does not use the "anticipated" wording. It states that we will be celebrating its return. The document/order form mentions "anticipated".

Seems like MBRRE may want to clarify that email.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on July 09, 2015, 10:35:50 PM
Jason fitting-up the lower sheet on the engineer's side...

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3785/19535786076_acc8d89429_b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on July 09, 2015, 10:46:36 PM
Let's make it a definite positive maybe for Sept.12.

The boiler jacket is outstanding.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on July 10, 2015, 12:19:14 AM
So that's a: "Almost certainly providing all goes well, we hope" for September. Got it.
And yes, the jacket is AMAZING!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 10, 2015, 12:27:41 AM
Can't wait to see #9 completely covered.
Another super job.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on July 10, 2015, 01:03:09 PM
Seriously, #9 will be faster than a spooked moose with that jacket.
 
Also, I wonder how it will photograph?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 10, 2015, 04:39:41 PM

Also, I wonder how it will photograph?

I just hope it doesn't function as a "cloak of invisibility."

-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on July 10, 2015, 06:31:25 PM
Didn't you guys know we finished no 9 last month?  It's been running ever since.

Guess that dang invisibility cloak is hiding it...

There's a great shot on FB showing one of the jacket panels in bright sun- that pic gives a good idea of the outside look and how it will photograph.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on July 13, 2015, 12:07:09 PM
How will you repair the sheet that has the crinkles in it?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 13, 2015, 02:01:48 PM
By hiding it in the cab. ;D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 13, 2015, 02:48:30 PM
I told Jason to get it installed and all tightened up and then hit it with a hammer once. Make it look used.  ;D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on July 16, 2015, 12:42:15 AM
On Monday morning, July 13th Jason positioned a strip of No. 9’s boiler jacketing to reflect natural light, for an iPhone picture.


(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/IMG_2598_zpssw3hez2s.jpg)


(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/IMG_2599_zpsykjo5m7u.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 16, 2015, 07:16:51 PM
Yesterday, 7/15/15, the first and second courses of the boiler jacket were installed. Before installing, the clamps were riveted on, followed by a (temporary) plastic covering on the outside and a generous application of "sheep sweat" on the underside of each jacket piece.

Here's the first course.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 16, 2015, 07:20:45 PM
The second course on the Engineer's side proved to be a bit of a challenge to get on, due to the position of one of the springs, and another part of the running gear. In the first photo, a small part of the plastic has been temporarily peeled back to reveal the color underneath.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 16, 2015, 08:16:00 PM
Two questions:

Is there now a white sheet of some type behind the locomotive?

I'm seriously wondering whether people handling the sheets should be wearing soft white gloves or similar protection against finger prints.

-John M
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 16, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
Is there now a white sheet of some type behind the locomotive?

There is no "sheet" anywhere. I *think* you are referring to the sunlight peering through the (open) bay 4 doors, which is causing my cheapo cell phone camera to make it appear white in the area behind where the tender tank would sit. This is just an illusion.

The other "sheet" is a coating that is being applied against the back/unseen side of each boiler jacket piece to help prevent rust. I forget what it is really called, but we were calling it "sheep sweat" because of its distinct aroma.

Quote
I'm seriously wondering whether people handling the sheets should be wearing soft white gloves or similar protection against finger prints.

I don't think that is an issue. The plastic covering (similar to what covers electronics before removed) is just to help prevent scratches as the remaining appliances are installed.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 16, 2015, 09:53:57 PM
No. 9 is really looking good. My congratulations to everyone working on it. I wish I'd been there this week to help. I hope to get there next week.

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 16, 2015, 09:55:38 PM
I think the white that John is seeing is the insulation.  

This afternoon the entire engine has gotten the jacketing, except for one band.

The plastic sheet, we'll have to take off during every fire up, and put it back when the day is over... :o
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on July 17, 2015, 11:52:48 AM
I saw mention on the Facebook page that the plastic sheeting is protection until the domes have been painted.  Would it have been "safer" to paint the domes before installing the beautiful jacket?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on July 17, 2015, 11:59:39 AM
As it turns out the painting will be as delicate as the jacket installation- with the varnish finish.  We felt there was a greater risk of the edges of the jacket scratching the paint finish than of getting paint on the jacket- as long as we mask.

The plastic is really to protect from scratching during jacket installation and subsequent accessory installation. There was brief talk of the plastic doubling as paint masking, but it's not really good enough- so the jacket will be masked off using conventional means.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 18, 2015, 04:52:56 PM
Am really jones-ing for a shot of the complete installation, as others may also be.  :D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 30, 2015, 03:14:37 AM
An air conditioned paint booth has been setup in the machine shop for painting No. 9.

Tuesday 7/28 the locomotive was being clean and prepped for painting.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0744_1.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0738.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0729.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0733_1.jpg)

Wednesday 7/29 Stewart was working on the areas that needed primer.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0949.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0953.jpg)

Work is continuing on finishing up the welding work on the tank in preparation for sand blasting.

Inside the tank. The yellow hose is a ventilation hose for the welding fumes.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0933.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0947.jpg)

The hole is where the sump that feeds the engineers injector is bolted to the bottom of the tank.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0937.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 30, 2015, 05:21:23 AM
The 'paint booth' setup is extra-clever. ;)
However, the pitting inside the water tank looks serious. ???
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 30, 2015, 01:11:10 PM
Particular thanks to John Stone, who was  a great help to me last Sunday building the painting tent in the shop. There were puns flying right and left, but we got it done. How's the air-conditioning working out, Stewart?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on July 30, 2015, 01:43:45 PM
Looks like Stewart primed the covers on the cylinders; I'm surprised that sheet metal wasn't Russia Iron.

Can't wait to see photos of more and more shiny finish paint!

Any photos of the cab progress?  Brendan, when do you plan to paint the outside of the tank as well as the tank liner on the inside?

Dave Crow
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 31, 2015, 02:54:42 AM
Looking forward to seeing 9 joining 10 soon.
So besides finishing tender tank hardware/ blasting/ priming/painting, mounting...cab assembly/painting/mounting...gauges/brakes/electricals/controls installation/testing...what else?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 03, 2015, 10:12:41 PM
Today -

* We tried the eggshell coat (50/50 paint & varnish) on the headlight plate.  If it sets up as we hope (good finish and coverage) we will apply the eggshell coat to the domes and cylinders on Tuesday since they already have the base coat.  The next step on the domes and cylinders will be the first gloss coat which will be applied on Weds or Thursday.

* The fireman's side handrail was installed today and both ends repainted with base coat. 

* The frame received more cleaning/prep for paint.  It already looks much better after Megan and Erika worked on it Saturday.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 04, 2015, 12:44:00 AM
And... Randy and I worked on driver brakes.  Because we like to stop.  Sometimes.

Randy and Phil Goodwin picked up a do rated switch stand over the weekend; Randy dropped it off today.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on August 04, 2015, 01:40:07 AM
Paul. I think the tank has to sent away of a company to apply a liner to the inside
dwight
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 05, 2015, 01:15:57 AM
Flat black on the domes and cylinders.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0990.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0987.jpg)

Turbo generator partially painted in flat black.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0984.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on August 05, 2015, 02:57:17 AM
Gorgeous!

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 05, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
This is part of what makes the museum so great. This is being done as closely as possible to the original way it was done. Russia Iron, hand painted, hand polished brass. Perfect
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 05, 2015, 11:05:06 AM
Yesterday -

* The domes and cab front plate were coated in the eggshell 50/50 paint varnish mix.  

* Chain eyebolts were installed on the pilot and primer was applied.

* Fireman's side handrail installed and eggshell coated.

* Turbine/generator has been base coated and the eggshell layer has been applied.  Generator mounts on the boiler were painted.

**Note: The #9 thread has set a new record, the number of "reads" is well over 59,000 making it the most popular thread on the forum.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on August 08, 2015, 09:33:30 PM
I just got back home from three weeks vacation and I must say, one of the highlights was spending a day at the WW&F. Spreading the sheet with Wayne Laepple was a particularly rewarding vocation. The puns did indeed get a bit deep!

The photos of the paint progress are great! Can't wait to see the finished finish! And then, to see it get nicely sooted up!

There's some beautiful work happening in the Maine woods!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 11, 2015, 04:30:58 AM
Paint progress as of Sunday 8/9

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0782_2.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0786.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0791.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0795.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0799_1.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0809_1.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on August 11, 2015, 06:51:37 AM
Gosh that looks nice.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 11, 2015, 10:28:27 PM
Cab roof received a layer of Dynel cloth on the roof and the under side has been painted.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1047.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1049.jpg)

Driver brake linkage parts being painted

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1052.jpg)

Interior light fixtures for 9's backhead were cast using 10's light fixtures as patterns. The darker gray housing parts with the numbers written on them are originals from 10.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_0738.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on August 11, 2015, 10:54:26 PM
I am losing adjectives to describe the workmanship I am seeing.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on August 12, 2015, 01:19:34 AM
Absolutely gorgeous work.

I think I can see some boatbuilding influence in that Portland Company cab design. It's like the ceiling of a deckhouse on a ship!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 12, 2015, 10:55:40 AM
A lot of boatbuilding influence has gone into that cab.  Marcel (the primary person working on it) is friends with Galo Hernandez (also a volunteer) who works on boats for a living.  There's a lot of marine-quality epoxy and other materials on the cab and engine.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 12, 2015, 11:06:16 AM
No epoxy on the engine that I can think of- lots and lots of mechanical repairs...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on August 12, 2015, 04:01:32 PM
No epoxy on the engine that I can think of- lots and lots of mechanical repairs...

(Jason, check the fireman's side cylinder repair..)    :-X
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 13, 2015, 01:35:04 AM
Yup- called on that one no less than 3 times today.  Yup...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on August 13, 2015, 03:37:27 AM
Without epoxy what would have been done?
Braze maybe? - would lead have stood up to the temperatures? I know there are some high temp lead alloys.
In later years they just lived with the leak - but what about early on?

Is it in a place that could be riveted? Then smoothed
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 13, 2015, 10:13:00 PM
* Over the last couple of days the tail frame and tender truck has been cleaned and painted on the engineman's side.  The job has taken a lot longer than we thought due to paint damage from re-assembly of various parts.

* The under side of the deck planks on the engineman's side has been painted.
 
* We hope to paint the deck planks and tender truck on fireman's side tomorrow.

* Work continues on the driver brakes. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 15, 2015, 01:27:04 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/0815150911a_zps9uuzytg2.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on August 15, 2015, 03:31:09 PM
Wow, she looks great!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 21, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
This week #9 was moved over to bay 2 to be ready for:

(1) more brake work
(2) rebuilding the cab 
(3) setting the tank when it's ready
(4)  installing the turbo/generator

The tank has been moved to bay 4 to be set up for media blasting.  The media equipment will be set up for cleaning the tank outside the shop.  As soon as it's done it will be rolled inside for coating inside the tank and painting the outside.

See fb for photos of Brendan test cleaning the tank neck.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 21, 2015, 02:06:37 PM
How times have changed.  Back in my school days "media blasting" was called playing the boom box too loud  ;D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on August 21, 2015, 06:58:45 PM
How times have changed.  Back in my school days "media blasting" was called playing the boom box too loud  ;D

We could try that technique but it would have to be pretty loud to get the rust to fall off....
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Dulaney on August 23, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
I've been to a few concerts loud enough for this ...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 23, 2015, 09:08:24 PM
Today, Marcel applied the top coat of paint on the cab roof.  He also worked on test fitting the front cab section on the engineman's side. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on August 30, 2015, 03:22:55 AM
Regarding that groove worn in No. 9's cab by the swinging lantern (shown in the latest pictures on the WW&F website): Reminds me of a story that won grand prize at some annual liar's contest run out in the Midwest:
Fella had a clock that was so old that the shadow of the pendulum had worn right through the back of the case. ;D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on September 13, 2015, 05:28:17 PM
  I" m writing to ask for some help. You all in the rebuild of No.9 cast some new cab light fixtures. Lately I have been volunteering with the local museum here in Tucson Arizona. We are trying to restore an ex Southern Pacific Mogul that sat for many years in a city park unprotected and badly vandalized. Some of the parts now missing are the cab lights. this is where I hope you all will help us. We would like to know if you all would be willing to make some more copies of both the water glass and gage light fixtures. We do not ask you to do this for free of course but would be willing to pay the cost plus if you would be willing to help. I know this may not be the correct place to post this request so if you want to place it somewhere else or remove it I understand but I ask only that you consider my request
                                                    thank you
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 15, 2015, 07:09:11 PM
We cast one extra set in case more would be needed- and we'd be happy to cast another set from these for you.  They are both Pyle national.  I have to warn of two things.  Each time a copy is made, there is shrinkage, and loss in detail (cast letters and such).  Secondly- there are a lot of steps between getting the rough castings and having working light fixtures.  Hinges- latches, interior fixture.  We don't have a lot of time to prepare fully finished fixtures, but would be happy to work out details for providing the rough castings and details of what else is needed.

Feel free to PM me if you're interested.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on September 19, 2015, 04:24:49 PM
How is the tank sand blasting coming? And painting?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 20, 2015, 12:25:03 AM
Interior tank sandblasting is coming along hope to be done beginning of next week.

Marcel fitting cab front up.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1310.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1312.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1314.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on September 20, 2015, 06:41:46 PM
 Brendan, Thanks for the progress report and pictures.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 25, 2015, 02:52:02 AM
Tank sand blasting.

Top of the tank blasted.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1343.jpg)

Bottom sheet in progress and finished.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1340.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1357.jpg)

Work in progress on the interior.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1344.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 25, 2015, 02:54:15 AM
Thanks for the update, Brendan.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on September 25, 2015, 04:04:35 AM
Those pictures and the results they show are wonderful!!

-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Madore on September 25, 2015, 12:53:51 PM
The raw metal exposed for the first time in what....124 years?   Pretty cool!   

I assume that the tank is going to be coated/sealed with some sort of modern material to keep it water-tight and prevent rust/corrosion....is that correct?

/Kevin
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 25, 2015, 05:15:05 PM
Great pics.

Helped keep slag in hopper while ATSF 2926's huge eight-axle tender was blasted. Is not the most fun work, but very necessary.

There's a hard, epoxy-type paint called Rust Bullet, used on almost-done  2926, which arrests light rust and seals the metal as primer or finish coat.
Comes in silver or black.
Expensive, but what isn't?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 04, 2015, 12:03:32 AM
#9's cab pieces getting ready for priming:

(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/DSC_0003_zpsoyue9ruw.jpg)

In the foreground is the cab wall, and the rear two pieces are the rear posts.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 05, 2015, 01:28:14 PM
Will the cab be far enough along to possibly install it during FWW?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 05, 2015, 03:58:48 PM
Marcel was hopeful that installation could begin at FWW.  Depends on painting etc.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on October 05, 2015, 09:04:45 PM
Kevin M.  Brendan posted on  Facebook, the inside of the tank will be coated with  ZRC Cold Galvanizing Compound.

dwight
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 05, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
Spaceman Brendan at work on the tank:
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/IMG_20151005_161447_452_zpsivrozi9e.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 06, 2015, 01:10:06 AM
The water tank is completely blasted in and out.

Coal bunker.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1564.jpg)

Back and engineer's side.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0163_1.jpg)

Original 1930's lettering was found under the 1990's lettering by slowly eroding the paint layers. Measurements were taken to place the new lettering in the same location as the 1930's lettering. I tried but could not find any Sandy River lettering remaining. Interestingly there was more paint layers on the engineer's side than the fireman's side.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0137.jpg)

Original Portland Co. assembly marks were found on the tank side sheets. T's and B's were stamped in the sheets with a punch to note the top and bottom of the sheets. Lines of four dots were punched at the top and bottom of the sheets to indicate where to start the rear corner bends in the tank sheets.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0128.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0146.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0120.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0121_1.jpg)

The white circles above and below the W is where the punched T and B are one the fireman's side. The punch marks to start the rear corner bends are circled above and below the grab iron.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0168.jpg)

A gouge in the tank corner inside the engineer's cab door. Could possibly be from a wreck.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0165.jpg)

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 06, 2015, 02:41:53 AM
Fascinating detective work, Brendan!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on October 07, 2015, 11:35:24 AM
That's pretty amazing.  Very cool to see  all the little details peeking through.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 10, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1010151640a_zpsdxafeagf.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 10, 2015, 08:49:55 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1010151646_zpsdzaehett.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 10, 2015, 08:53:20 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1010151650b_zpsn2edctgq.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 10, 2015, 10:34:56 PM
 Mike, great to see the progress on number 9. Looking forward to seeing the engine out on the main. Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 11, 2015, 02:57:45 AM
Number 9 lives!
All of a sudden there's another steamer on the property.
Great work, Marcel, Brendan and helpers.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on October 11, 2015, 12:32:05 PM
Wow! You guys never cease to amaze!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 12, 2015, 02:35:17 PM
Sure wish I could have been up there!

One question about #9: is the tank not firmly attached so that primer and finish paint can be applied both to the edge of the cab wood as well as to the tank?

Can't wait to see the next set of photos of the north yard.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 12, 2015, 07:14:12 PM
The tank has been attached as of yesterday afternoon.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 13, 2015, 04:59:42 AM
Looks to me like the tank is already primed, needs black paint along with the cab exterior, then lettering.
Add running boards, some piping, a few more things and Voila...the new number 9!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on October 13, 2015, 06:59:35 AM
Not quite new, but rebuilt and restored. But it will certainly look new.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 13, 2015, 11:04:40 AM
Painting is a 5 step process (6 steps for numbers/lettering) consisting of primer, base color, 50/50 egg shell coat, lettering, high gloss varnish and a top sealer coat of varnish. Application time is important with the varnish coats.  The domes took nearly two weeks for the process.  This is how locomotive and car builders got the "20 feet deep" gloss finish in the days before spray paint.

Cleaning and prep starts this week but the cab will not get paint until the side panels and front doors are ready.  The tank is ready for primer on the back.  When it sets up the base coating will begin.  We will have photos of the progress here and on fb.

Other parts that need work include:

Feed water system
Vacuum brakes
Cab electric wiring, switches and fuse block  
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 13, 2015, 07:53:42 PM
Are there plans to use 9 for Victorian Christmas runs?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 13, 2015, 08:50:48 PM
We're planning a grand debut next spring- certainly in time for the convention.  Anything else is gravy and unofficial :)

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 13, 2015, 11:25:13 PM
Pictures from the work weekend.

Tank and tank parts in primer. The bottom and inside of tank were cold galvanized and the outside sheets painted in primer.

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Cab parts before assembly.

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Sediment bowls going on tank.

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Cab assembly starting. There were also brackets being forged and installed for the back head lights.

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Tank landed on the deck. The back of the tank was still in white metal and was primed today.

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Cab roof leaving bay 1 and being installed in bay 2.

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Headlight aiming was done front and back.

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Rolled out for pictures and switching over to bay 4 for paint and final assembly.

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Peeling back the plastic for a peak at the jacket.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 14, 2015, 12:27:29 AM
Fantastic photos! I have a question about the rear of Number 9. Some photos show a ladder centered on the rear. Comments?

-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 14, 2015, 04:05:46 PM
No 9 did have a centered ladder.  It did not have a rear headlight.  This leads to our dilemma...

We really need a back up light.  Our first choice is a. A period appropriate light (read big) or b.  A modern (small, inconspicuous) light.  We choose a- along the lines of what they originally would or could have done.

Second choice is location.  Off-center lights were used- but not on the Maine 2-footers that we can see.  Centering both puts the headlight lens at grave risk of being kicked and broken.  The last choice is a centered light and an off center ladder- this seems like the most likely solution that would have played out on the original railroad. 

We intend to use the original ladder holes for the headlight, and have the ladder pinch the fence of the tank.  Thus the tank won't be modified at all and everything will be reversible.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 14, 2015, 04:56:27 PM

We intend to use the original ladder holes for the headlight, and have the ladder pinch the fence of the tank.  Thus the tank won't be modified at all and everything will be reversible.

Jason


Can you elaborate on "pinch the fence?"
Thanks!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 15, 2015, 11:14:36 AM
We'll likely bring the ladder up beyond the top of the fence a bit, and curve it around the back side of the fence.  There, we can use either a couple custom screw clamps or two metal wedges to secure the ladder.

Guess that's high on the list...

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on October 16, 2015, 05:16:39 AM
If you can't do what they did - do what they would have done.

Alternately 2 self-contained LED lights clamped to the ladder ONLY when they are needed
might be an option.

If I read you right - other 2' locos had back up lights but #9 did not.

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 16, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
Jason...by "fence" I'm assuming you mean the vertical  extensions above the tender tank deck.
Centering a permanent backup light sounds best.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bryce Weeks on October 17, 2015, 02:32:58 AM
putting to tank in just the right spot and then laying the cab roof over it was really heart racing and i hated the moments when i hear creaking from the people putting the cab in to postion. the tank went in almost like a glove.with a few minor slides to get it in place.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 17, 2015, 08:26:41 PM
i hated the moments when i hear creaking from the people

People creak a lot when they get older. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on October 17, 2015, 09:18:57 PM
I can vouch for that!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Zuppa on October 17, 2015, 09:36:12 PM
Me, too!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on October 18, 2015, 02:29:54 AM
Me three.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on October 18, 2015, 03:04:09 AM
I think Indiana Jones said it best: "It's not the years, it's the milage!  :-\
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 24, 2015, 10:51:44 PM
Note that this thread has gotten over 70,000 views.  That's an indication of the level of interest in the locomotive.

The vacuum brake pots have been installed on the engine.  There are two.  One on each side of the cab, mounted below the front doors.  Photos will be posted here and on facebook.

Start
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 25, 2015, 04:28:16 AM
As happens when  main projects near conclusion, diverse tasks continue...extending the woods spur, ripping car barn batten pieces, replacing 9's running boards, section house flooring and door installs, ballasting car barn approach track, drilling out fish plates, building flatcar loading ramps for equipment transport, fixing Kubota's engine, examining 67's rebuild needs,  and I'm sure, others.

A  coordinated effort  propelled by lots of energy, skill and commitment.
And I'm sure your large internet audience cheers you on nonstop.
Well done.  :D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 25, 2015, 11:58:31 AM
We had visitors from Canada yesterday.  They stayed for over an hour, touring the shop and riding the train.  I showed them the new car barn and one fellow said "I've been watching the progress on facebook".  The updates on-line help get information to people and we hope they visit.  That is our goal because the internet is fine but there's nothing like seeing the railroad in person.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 25, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Lest it feel left out, there is a third vacuum pot- under the can deck on the fireman's side; it actuates the tender truck brakes.  It was installed some time ago.

The 2 that Stewart referred to were added by the WW&F in 1933 when they added driver brakes.

No credit to take away from Stewart's report- I know he knows it's there and just forgot :)

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 25, 2015, 04:18:48 PM
Thanks Jason,

I should have said "two newly installed vacuum pots"  I posted a photo of the tender truck brake pot a couple of months ago.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 06, 2015, 10:25:24 PM
The running boards and cab grabs got primer paint today.  Top of the running boards should get primer tomorrow and the grab irons may get their top coat so they can be bolted back on the cab.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 07, 2015, 11:53:27 PM
Pictures from today.

The running boards and cab panels are in primer in the foreground.

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Back of the tank with it's final coat of varnish.

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You can see the difference between the flat black on the tank side and varnish on the rear.

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Inside of the tank. Some of the new interior tank braces are sitting on the floor.

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Pictures around the engine.

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Vacuum ejector for the brake system.

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Vacuum pots for the brakes were installed and brake plumbing done a couple weeks ago. The plumbing and pots were then removed for paint.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 08, 2015, 01:01:50 AM
That's actually the tank's first coat of varnish- it gets 2 more.

Primer, flat black, eggshell (varnish/ flat black), lettering, varnish, varnish.

Good picture report!
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on November 09, 2015, 12:28:21 AM
It's amazing to me. After looking at this thread as well as the car barn thread and the yard thread, it not only proves to me that you guys are extremely gifted  layout men, carpenters and machinists, but gifted recreators of history. Thanks
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mark Spremulli on November 09, 2015, 01:18:01 AM
I agree, well done everyone, is there a possibility that we will get a Christmas present this year and have two steam engines for the Victorian Christmas?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on November 09, 2015, 01:41:38 AM
I also agree totally with Craig!  And its looking more and more like it won't be long now!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Rick Rowlands on November 09, 2015, 04:10:36 AM
I am quite interested in the multi step painting of the locomotive.  This is the first time that I have heard of varnish being used on anything other than wood.  I would be interested in learning what type and brand of varnish is being used, as we may be interested in using these products on a project that we are working on down in Ohio. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 10, 2015, 11:30:14 PM
Rick...great to see your group preserving much of Youngstown's serious industrial history; where my relatives worked at the big Youngstown Sheet and Tube mill; where I visited in the '50s...now all gone.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Rick Rowlands on November 11, 2015, 01:09:41 AM
Thanks!  We saved a 260 ton rolling mill steam engine from Youngstown Sheet & Tube and its the centerpiece of our collection.  YS&T made a lot of seamless tubing over the years, including boiler tubes.  Now we are getting into two foot gauge in a big way, and I'm loving every bit of it!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 16, 2015, 12:42:57 AM
Updates.

New inside sections of the running boards were made and installed. The two out side pieces that go in front of the cab are being worked on.

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Cab side panels and grab irons are on.

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Cab doors and window frames in primer. Outside piece of the fireman's side running board is between the doors.

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Coal bunker boards were cut and mocked up.

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Bunker boards in primer.

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New interior tank braces were made and test fitted.

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Tank interior braces on the sawhorses and hanging from the rod coated in cold galvanize. The u shaped board is the bottom coal bunker board in primer before the opening was lined with angle iron. you can also see the running boards in the background flipped over for painting the underside.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 16, 2015, 05:56:50 AM
I've noticed in photos that No. 9 originally had short brass (?) grab irons on her cab on the SRRR, which were then replaced by the current longer grab irons sometime after the 1908 consolidation, so it's neat to see what looks like an extra hole (corresponding to the top of the original shorter grab iron) still there in the cab upright in Brendan's third picture. The original fabric of the engine has so many stories to tell.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 16, 2015, 12:44:53 PM
Actually, that's the hole where the seat bracket bolts on.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on November 16, 2015, 02:47:03 PM
The SR&RL Portlands and Hinkleys seemed to be subjected to multiple cab door configurations. The original short-sided forward portion with the fold-down seat looks the same as the original WW&F 2&3 cabs. Next came the sliding door arrangement, which seems really impractical with snow and ice, let alone the potential for getting pinched. It looks like they originally mounted the rear grab iron for the doorway on the sliding door. I wouldn't want to grab that on the fly! The last/ current arrangement seems pretty good. A little more fixed forward cab for shelter and a return to the swinging door. Also, the original short brass grab irons look cute, but the later, longer thin irons are more practical for crews.

All that said, #9 looks great! You folks really do things right!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 16, 2015, 03:16:14 PM
Yes, the door-mounted rear grab iron on the Hinkleys does look a bit suspect! It's interesting that WW&F Nos. 2 and 3 (as well as No. 8 ) kept the original short brass grab irons right to the end, except in 2 and 3's later short-cab configuration the rear grab irons were mounted on the tank. (Did they drill through the tank to mount them?)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 18, 2015, 11:43:15 PM
The electric conduit and wiring was installed today.

The black box contains the fuses and the light switches are above the engineer's window.

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Conduit feeding the gauge and water glass lights.

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Electrical system was tested with 120v bulbs with a temporary connection to a shop outlet.

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The train signal bell was installed this week.

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The drip oiler for the valve gear eccentrics and driver bearings showed up this week. Oiler and lube line locations were worked on today.

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Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 19, 2015, 01:07:18 AM
In the photo of the "light switches above the engineer's window" can someone explain these two items in greater detail. The one closest to the tee seems rather mysterious.

-John M
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 19, 2015, 01:31:34 AM
There are two rotary switches in series.  The first is on/off.  The second is a selector for front/ rear head light.  The two switches are different and as such have different knob styles.  We figured this as an advantage as you know which switch you're grabbing in the dark.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 19, 2015, 03:58:09 AM
I hate to be the dummy who asks, but is the train signal bell used instead of the large bell or whistle to communicate with the conductor and brakeman?  Or, does it have some other use of which I clearly don't know about?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 19, 2015, 04:08:32 AM
The cab bell is used by the Conductor (via rope running through the coach) to signal the engine crew. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on November 19, 2015, 04:45:56 AM
So that explains the hole in coach 3's vestibules... I'd always wondered about those, so it's nice to get the full story!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 19, 2015, 05:50:22 AM
I think it would be fun to try it out sometime, running a line back from No. 9's cab to coach No. 3. (How many railroad museums are there that even have this capability anymore?)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 19, 2015, 12:07:22 PM
We did this a number of years ago, with #10.  We'd run a rope through the vestibule hole to 10's bell rope.  Unfortunately with no rope holder in the coach we had to use the clerestory window handles to hold the rope up.  And occasionally we'd forget to disconnect the rope when we disconnected the engine from the coach.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 19, 2015, 01:36:02 PM
At least that is not as serious as forgetting to disconnect the hand rail chains, though it would be hard on the clerestory window handles which are irreplaceable.  Perhaps connecting the end of the rope at each end of each car to a magnate that would disconnect before damage was done would work.  Similar to the way fire doors are held open in hospitals.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 19, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
Thanks, James. Does No. 10 have a signal bell as well? I had not noticed that.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 19, 2015, 07:10:12 PM
No signal bell on #10.  We attached it to the regular bell rope.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 20, 2015, 12:07:40 AM
Way back, I believe it was more common to use a leather cord to connect the signal bell from the engine to the cars, as well as through and between the cars. There was some sort of clip arrangement to connect between the engine and the first car and so on through the train. The bell arrangement was succeeded by an air whistle in the cab actuated by a valve in any car in the train. (I remember the distinctive "peep, peep" of the cab whistle.) In some cases, an electric buzzer was used. Amtrak has a buzzer system in its trains, I believe.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on November 20, 2015, 12:35:06 AM
When I started on the Valley RR as a trainman and later conductor we always hooked up the air communication line but it wasn't used all that much. Hand signals were the norm.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 20, 2015, 03:07:44 AM
Buzzers are still used on a number of commuter railroads as well, for example on the Long Island RR and Metro-North RR in New York. They use a simplified version of locomotive whistle signals, e.g. 2 buzzes to proceed after a station stop, 3 to back up, etc. (As an occasional passenger on both of the above roads I think I've heard the 3-buzz backup signal used just once, when the train I was on was forced to make a reverse move because of a track condition ahead.)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 20, 2015, 04:03:29 AM
NM Rail Runner uses a buzzer system for its commuter trains.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on November 24, 2015, 05:47:02 AM
Will the head lamp be wired as in this photo on FB?
Using the handrail as conduit?

Is this why there is only 1 handrail end finial?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 24, 2015, 12:20:52 PM
There is a seperate conduit pipe on the engineman's side that feeds from the turbine to the headlight.  You can see it in the photo of the new running boards, it's just above the handrail.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 24, 2015, 04:09:53 PM
Carl, The engineer's hand rail is turned with a handle inside the cab to open and close the cylinder valves.
In the photo Stewart refers to, you can see a short arm coming off the fount of the hand rail and the curved steel rod that goes down behind the running board to the valves.
dwight
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 24, 2015, 07:32:20 PM
Quote from: Carl Soderstrom
Will the head lamp be wired as in this photo on FB?
Using the handrail as conduit?

Is this why there is only 1 handrail end finial?

For those without Facebook (and reference here) the photo in question:
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12299178_10153365646766871_6877933291253220081_n.jpg?oh=94ed066665b056e03e142d6337dd1cd3&oe=56DF4679)

Carl brings up a good point... you can clearly see a wire running from the headlight to the handrail. I don't see the turbine, though. I guess this could explain the missing end finial on the fireman's side. Obviously, this configuration predates the current electric headlight.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on November 24, 2015, 09:00:59 PM
I don't believe that is a wire. I think it is a hose for acetylene. That is an acetylene head lamp.
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 25, 2015, 01:09:02 AM
Ed, that's the wrong photo from facebook. That shows the fireman's side. I was talking about the 4th photo on facebook. Photo of engineer's side taken from beside the smokebox.
dwight
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 25, 2015, 01:20:13 AM
The photo Dwight is referring to (I think)...

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12274435_10153365648161871_405813782432301679_n.jpg?oh=fc7ca3d2c2891399e138d2557ed010df&oe=56E74F70)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 25, 2015, 01:23:42 AM
Ed, I think you are right.

So the attachment to the smokebox which has the rod going down behind the running board is the cylinder cock valve rod.  It is the handlebar on the engineer's side.  It connects to a lever in the cab.

The pipe below it is conduit for electrical, going to the headlight (out of sight on the right), and you can see where it comes off the generator between the two domes.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 25, 2015, 01:39:36 AM
There's so many levers, you just pick one and pull on it, then hope what you wanted to happen happens.  Usually works out ok...

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on November 25, 2015, 03:06:54 AM
And if'n it don't, ya just go to Plan B, then Plan C……... ::)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 25, 2015, 03:24:14 AM
Number 9 was lettered today with palladium leaf by a local sign painter. Palladium leaf is used instead of silver or aluminum because palladium doesn't tarnish over time.

Lettering after being traced off the stencil.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2755.jpg)

9 on the fireman's side of the cab with the size applied before the leaf is put on. The size is the glue the leaf adheres to.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2757.jpg)

Leaf being applied on the tank.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2766.jpg)

Finished product.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2768.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2761.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2762.jpg)

Eric made the tank ladder today. The original ladder was centered on the tank but we are putting a headlight in that spot using the original ladder mounting holes. The new ladder curves over the tank and bolts onto the tank access hatch.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2785.jpg)

Doors and windows are being installed in the cab. The running boards are all on and were painted after the pictures were taken.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2752.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2750.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2775.jpg)

The new oiler was fitted in the cab and oil lines were run down to the frame.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2790.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2791.jpg)

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on November 25, 2015, 05:52:41 AM
I was referring to the old picture -
But it is good to see the new picture-

And yes, since no generator (unless the lamp was converted to battery) it most
likely would connect to a Prest-o-lite acetylene  tank in the cab.
I was still selling Prest-o-lite to plumbers in the 70s - and I see they are still available.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 25, 2015, 06:54:50 AM
Outstanding!
9 is now an official locomotive.
Finish-work on a project is always satisfying, exciting.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 25, 2015, 07:32:17 PM
Great ladder Eric, am sure the engine crews would like you to make another one for #10.
dwight
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on November 25, 2015, 08:43:31 PM
I can't WAIT for the official, out-in-the-sun, unveiling!!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 25, 2015, 08:46:56 PM
Is the new lettering going to receive a clear coat over the top?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 25, 2015, 09:42:43 PM
Two more coats of varnish on everything, including the lettering.  That's been the plan...

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Madore on November 26, 2015, 02:07:45 AM
Man, that locomotive is a work of art.  I will never know how you folks are keeping track of all of the little details that need to be attended to.  You have put so much time and TLC into her, it will almost be a shame to get her dirty.....but I'm so looking forward to seeing her under steam.   There's something about 19th century engines.  Only a small handful can still move under their own power, and an even smaller number ever actually haul revenue trains.

Kudos to you all!!

/Kevin
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 27, 2015, 11:45:24 PM
1st of 2 coats of varnish was applied today. Can't wait to see it outside again.. Lights off...
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1127151514b_zpsko23w0my.jpg)

Lights on...


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1127151515_zpsnbsivyjs.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 28, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Here's a picture of the lettering after the varnishing.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/9-lettering_zpsw2tpecwv.jpg)

I really think this brings out the character of the lettering.  Hard to describe but the leafing appears to have a bit a bumpy look about it.  I'm assuming that's a function of the underlying surface being not quite smooth.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 28, 2015, 10:35:10 PM
I believe that effect is more on account of the leafing process.  The alumititaniunubtanium metal foil sheet is not applied to each letter as a whole sheet.  Instead, it is repeatedly stuck to the size at different angles and over different areas.  This results in each character having a number of different facets, all reflecting light a little differently.

I suppose surface roughness can't be discounted- it probably accounts for some of the look.

In any case- the look is decidedly different than a painted letter.  

We strongly suspect the original lettering was silver or aluminum leaf.  As with the varnished paint scheme- we want the loco to look like it did, as opposed to having the modern look obtained with modern products and approaches.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 28, 2015, 10:53:31 PM
The old leafing process is great by me; really gives the finish character.  Harry is probably grinning from ear to ear.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 29, 2015, 01:54:29 PM
I'd like to develop two lists related to the No 9 restoration for eventual inclusion in the newsletter, as a matter of providing a record to the membership.  I'm inviting the readers here to help flush out those lists.  The first is a general list of major restoration activities arranged by year.  A first cut is below.  The second will be a component by component accounting of the finished, restored machine.  I hope to generate a first cut of that, from which we can work, this or next week.

Here's the first cut of the annual list.  I may be in error in some areas- feel free to point them out.  Also, more detail here would be great.  I thought this might be a fin community activity for those who've been paying close attention.

Thanks!
Jason

No 9 restoration by year

2006:  document and disassemble
2007:  rear frame prep, old forward frame assessment and repair
2008: old frame work, new rear frame
2009: casting.  Receive new boiler.
2010: new smokebox.  domes and casings on boiler.  forward frame manufacture
2011: frame and boiler assembly
2012: tramming
2013: crank pin machine
2014:  steam plumbing, deck, rear truck, rear brakes, grate motion
2015:  drive gear and final valve work, jacket, cab, tank, front end
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on November 29, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
This is a fantastic idea. A few things to point out-

I'm not sure if by "front end" you mean the smoke box internals, or the pilot area- but the latter (both?) was tackled in 2014.
I'd also suggest that the "brass bits" be mentioned in 2015 (bell, number plate, whistle).
The care and dedication which has gone into the paint/finishing process also makes it a significant part of what's occurred in 2015.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 29, 2015, 07:04:15 PM

No 9 restoration by year

2006:  document and disassemble
2007:  rear frame prep, old forward frame assessment and repair
2008: old forward frame work, new rear frame
2009: casting.  Receive new boiler.
2010: new smokebox.  domes and casings on boiler. New forward frame manufacture and fitting.
2011: frame and boiler assembly
2012: tramming
2013: crank pin machine
2014:  steam plumbing, deck, rear truck, rear brakes, grate motion, pilot and associated parts.
2015:  drive gear and final valve work, jacket, cab, tank, front end (internal), brass trim (bell, number plate, whistle).
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 29, 2015, 07:05:18 PM
Great, Alan, thanks- just what I was hoping for!  Not sure how to handle the updates- perhaps I'll just continue to copy and paste as suggestions come in.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on November 30, 2015, 12:07:31 AM
Here are a few No. 9 restoration work dates, the first from memory, the others based on some pictures of the work I annotated and saved on my computer:

2005 summer—Jason taking measurements inside the original smokebox

2006—Design of the transition casting linking front and rear frames

Design of rear frame

Late 2006—Disassembly of No. 9

December, 2006—Forming backhead of No. 9’s new boiler (at Boothbay Railway Village)

January 20, 2007—Separation of No. 9’s smokebox from boiler—with grrrrreat difficulty

2007—design of the new rear frame

2007—Rear frame fabrication

2007—Boiler shell and firebox exterior annealed

May 2008—Riveting rear frame







Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 30, 2015, 12:48:08 AM
Do you want to count from when #9 first arrived?  I seem to recall

1995 or 96 - rebuild rear truck and some in-cab bits.
late 96 - first run on compressed air.  We ran it a few times in 97
1997 - ultrasound of boiler and condemning thereof.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 30, 2015, 01:32:08 AM
When did No. 9 actually arrive back in Maine?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 30, 2015, 01:44:37 AM
February 1995.  If memory serves it was the Friday before the President's Day weekend.  The next day was the 100th anniversary celebration of the first W&Q passenger train to Weeks Mills.  The governor was there.  I remember it being cold.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 30, 2015, 02:02:58 AM
We'd love to have him back- now Senator King- for the formal dedication in the spring.  Yet to send invites- we'll see.

I'll update again in the morning.  Worth noting- in Maine there's an official way to "condemn" a boiler; this didn't happen to 9's old boiler.  They simply said they'd never issue a certificate for it.  Guess there's more than one way to skin a cat.  Or a PoCo locomotive...

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 30, 2015, 02:05:50 AM
Or is it a PoCo Loco?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 30, 2015, 02:07:11 AM
So after we test it we'll have some PoCo Loco MoJo...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 30, 2015, 02:30:03 AM
Since PocoLoco sounds like a rock group, I presume it would be a heavy metal group.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on November 30, 2015, 01:47:08 PM
2008 - rear frame riveting

2011 - rear frame joined to frame casting.  The smokebox was drilled for riveting to the boiler at SWW and the actual riveting to the boiler was Fathers Day weekend 2011.  Uniting front and rear frame via new casting.

2012 - work on locating the hand brake staff and handbrake rod and chain in relation to the rear frame, bracing of rear frame, grate shaker linkage begun.

2013 - reuniting the frame with the boiler; tender truck brake work and new swing hanger links made to level the rear frame.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 30, 2015, 05:12:15 PM
2007-2008 - Cleaning all the various parts, eccentric rods, etc. (I have cherished memories doing this with my daughter Emily and Niece/Godchild Rebecca.)

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 30, 2015, 11:28:55 PM
Final coats of varnish are on the tank and cab. The tank ladder was mounted.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2806.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2818.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2822.jpg)

Tank top and coal bunker area received black paint.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2829.jpg)

Number plate is on.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2820.jpg)

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 01, 2015, 04:38:25 AM
Wow, Number 9 is really coming together quickly.  It is truly Smithsonian quality and a testimony to the mission of our Museum. 

A 'Well Done!" is justly deserved to so many folks who worked so hard for so long to get to this point.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 01, 2015, 12:36:21 PM
What year was it that we went to Boothbay to shape the back head? 2008? That should be included. One of the hotest times I have had in the middle of winter
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 01, 2015, 11:22:27 PM
We had to move 9 over to bay 1 today to pull the steam dome cover off. The white around the windows is masking tape.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2835.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2839.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2846.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2853.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2856.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2863.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2868.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2871.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2876.jpg)



Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 02, 2015, 12:06:43 AM
Great photos, as always.
Thanks Brendan.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 02, 2015, 12:38:41 AM
Looks like the great day is almost here!!!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 02, 2015, 01:07:46 AM
I do hope that #9 will be going to the Mass. train show.  It would be the center of attention......
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 02, 2015, 01:47:20 AM
Unlikely in the near term.  That would involve some negotiation with the owner, and who knows what we'd have to do in order to get approval.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 02, 2015, 04:58:11 PM
I'm curious...why does the steam dome cover need to be removed?

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 02, 2015, 05:06:13 PM
Oh boy...looks like 'add-final-stuff and tweak' time, maybe including setting, checking steam dome safeties.
9 looks absolutely beautiful.
Don'ts forget the backup light.  ;D
We might get a Christmas present steamup!

 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 02, 2015, 06:01:37 PM
I'm curious...why does the steam dome cover need to be removed?

Keith

Just the outside casing not the actual dome cap.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 02, 2015, 06:58:47 PM
I noticed in several historical photos that #9 had "whitewall" tires.  Is that still planned to be accomplished?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry Harper on December 02, 2015, 09:12:28 PM
Please don't do the white walls. That's like drawing a beard on the Mona lisa
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 02, 2015, 09:15:50 PM
Please don't do the white walls. That's like drawing a beard on the Mona lisa
Terry....I am guessing that you (like me) are not a fan of the "American Flyer" look.

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on December 02, 2015, 09:32:09 PM
Really great to see her outside in the natural light! In following the progress over the years, I am simply amazed at how complex the restoration process is. And the fact that there are such talented people available to move that process forward. Fantastic!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 02, 2015, 09:38:51 PM
Quote
That's like drawing a beard on the Mona lisa

I think you meant it would be like painting it blue and putting a face on the front.

Thankfully, I suspect that either scenario is as likely.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 02, 2015, 11:01:56 PM
I've seen plenty of photos of WW&F nos. 2 and 3 with whitewall tires (and white rods and crossheads too), but never No. 9. She definitely had whitewall tires on the SR&RL though.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 02, 2015, 11:36:35 PM
Not that i'm a huge fan of whitewalls, BUT, if we are to do our restorations as "historically accurate" as so many have insisted on this board, then we really can't pick and choose which parts we want to do accurately. (exceptions made for safety and FRA regs)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on December 03, 2015, 12:01:35 AM
CHAPTER XXII.  (Sorry drawings didn't come over.)



THE EAMES VACUUM BRAKE.

OPERATION OF THE BRAKE.
THE Vacuum Brake, as the name implies, is operated by means of a vacuum which is formed in the connections that act the part of the cylinder in the air-brake. With an air-brake, compressed air is made to do the work of applying the brakes by moving a piston to which the brake-lever is attached, the air being carried throughout the train by means of iron pipes and rubber hose: with the vacuum brake the work is done in a similar way with similar connections; but, instead of compressed air being forced inside the pipes and apparatus, all the air is exhausted out, and the natural pressure of the atmosphere is made to do the work.

THE DIAPHRAGM.
Under each vehicle of a train, as seen in Fig. 33, a diaphragm is securely fastened which performs the combined duties of cylinder and piston. It consists of a kettle-shaped casting with a loose disk of heavy rubbered duck fastened over its mouth; the center of the disk being provided with an iron plate, through which passes an eye-bolt for forming connection with the brake-lever. The inside of the diaphragm is connected to the pipe which passes along the train, and has its front end connected with the ejector on the locomotive. 

THE EJECTOR.
The position of the ejector in the cut can be clearly seen in Fig, 34, where there is also a diaphragm to be seen under the deck where it is located when used to operate driver brakes. The ejector is operated on the same principle as the water injector, only it is used to lift air instead of water. A cross-section of the injector is shown in Fig. 34. When the engineer wishes to apply the brake, he pulls the handle 41 (broken off in the cut), which opens the valve B49, and admits steam to the body of the ejector A1. The steam rushes upward round the end of the tube 5, its velocity being accelerated in passing through the contracted opening left round the top of the tube. Passing through tubes 3 and 6, the steam shoots up in the form of a column with a hollow base; the tube 5, which is connected with the pipes and diaphragms on the train, forming this base. The effect of the steam passing out under these conditions is to induce a current through the tube 5, which draws up the valve B7, and sucks the air out of the pipes and diaphragms. A vacuum being thus formed in the diaphragms, the atmosphere presses the flexible ends together. This tendency to collapse is retarded by the brake-rod connections, and the latter receive a pull equal to the combined atmospheric pressure on the diaphragm. The brake-levers are arranged to transmit a proper tension to the brake-shoes for making the brake effective. A vacuum gauge placed on the front of the ejector enables the engineer to regulate the power as he wants it. The brake is released by pushing on the lever 24, which opens the valve 8, and admits air into the brake-pipes. The release-valve attachment is sidewise in vertical section cut through the handle, and is put separate for convenience of illustration.

CARE OF THE BRAKE.
The valve B7 of the ejector needs grinding occasionally; and, if the lift should be too great, the valve will hammer the seat out of shape. Sometimes when waste or other fibrous impurities are sucked through the pipe, they stick in this valve, keeping it away from the seat. The valve, is very easily reached by taking off the cap O4. The steam-valve B49 needs about the same care as any other steam-valve, and its troubles are of the same nature. The shoulder at the top of the tube 5, which is used to obstruct the steam, thereby increasing the velocity of the quantity that passes, sometimes gets cut into channels with the fast moving steam striking it. This reduces the promptness of the ejector's action, but it is a form of deterioration that proceeds very slowly. Care must be taken to keep the drip-valves A and B16 in order, otherwise there may be trouble with the ejector throwing water, or freezing up if the engine stands where that apparatus will get cold in winter.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 03, 2015, 03:41:24 AM
Decided to move the post below from the thread re pledges toward the second lubricator for No. 9, to this work thread for No. 9, hoping for a response:

Any chance one of the picture takers could take one showing the discharge end of one or more of those lines (looks like five of them) from the second lubricator? I realize that may be a tall order, owing to things in the way such as drivers, frame members, poor lighting, etc. I'm curious as to how the oil gets from the end of a line to, say, the waste pocket on an eccentric strap.

Also wondering whether the oil feed will be during operation, or perhaps just during stops.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 04, 2015, 01:34:16 AM
Number 9 was unwrapped today.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2899.jpg)

Oil line pictures. The valve block takes one feed from the oiler and splits out to four flexible lines to the eccentrics. Each driver bearing has it's own feed line off the oiler.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2903.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2906.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74003/IMG_2908.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 04, 2015, 02:47:58 AM
Brendan, your photos are great! Very helpful in explaining how the system works. Thank you!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 04, 2015, 04:06:14 AM
Brendan...Please stop teasing us with these almost-ready-for-steam pics.  ;D 
I can't stand it!
WHEN? 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 04, 2015, 12:23:49 PM
It is absolutely amazing how different this locomotive looks now, compared to when it arrived. All the little things add up. I am proud to have been part of it.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 04, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Not that i'm a huge fan of whitewalls, BUT, if we are to do our restorations as "historically accurate" as so many have insisted on this board, then we really can't pick and choose which parts we want to do accurately. (exceptions made for safety and FRA regs)
Yes....the Sandy River No.5 had white painted tires. (Or possibly aluminum not white) But There is no evidence, that I am aware of, that the WW&F in the depths of the depression spent any money on fancy paint for the tire edges. From the pictures that I have seen...they didn't spend any money on any paint for the engine except for re-lettering the tender for the WW&F and changing the number on the cab.
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Schade on December 04, 2015, 03:51:13 PM
Here are some photos from yesterday's hydrostatic boiler testing...

(http://www.largescalecentral.com/public/album_photo/5c/ef/01/1ec6e_5183.JPG?c=8a21)
the pressure test setup.  this is a small manual pump used to pump a little water into the already full boiler to raise the pressure to 1 1/4 times the operating pressure. 

(http://www.largescalecentral.com/public/album_photo/60/ef/01/1ec72_c6ff.JPG?c=2845)

(http://www.largescalecentral.com/public/album_photo/44/ef/01/1ec56_1741.JPG?c=4722)
Jason crawled into the firebox to look for leaks and check the stay bolts.  he also tapped each with a small hammer and listened for the tone of tightness.

(http://www.largescalecentral.com/public/album_photo/40/ef/01/1ec52_a01e.JPG?c=5d43)
here is Jason working on the throttle packing.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 04, 2015, 08:50:39 PM
A Hydrostatic test, tapping the staybolts, tweeking the throttle gland packing.....this all points to a steam-up in a VERY short time now!!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 04, 2015, 11:15:03 PM
And all the cab windows are in.
That's it. Almost ready.  :D
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 05, 2015, 07:58:40 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1205151452_zpszop3ic6s.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on December 05, 2015, 08:11:00 PM
So, it will be a few days yet?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kyle Irving on December 05, 2015, 08:29:15 PM
To EVERYONE involved in this first class restoration: Congratulations! Incredible work...

How'd she run, Jason? ;)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 05, 2015, 08:46:47 PM
Jason will give a full report when he has a free minute. Expect You Tube video too.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 05, 2015, 08:51:05 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1205151547d_zpsn3snwkbe.jpg)

Alna Center
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 05, 2015, 09:07:23 PM
Oh my goodness!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 05, 2015, 09:09:27 PM
To EVERYONE involved in this first class restoration: Congratulations! Incredible work...

Amen!  Just amazing to see Mike's photos after all the hard work those involved with #9 put in.  My Christmas gift came early for me this year.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 05, 2015, 09:17:30 PM
HOLY TOLEDO!!  Does THAT ever look GREAT!!!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 05, 2015, 09:19:48 PM
Alice Ramsdell and her Father MUST be smiling down from Heaven NOW!!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on December 05, 2015, 09:25:02 PM
OUTSTANDING!!!

What a fabulous early Christmas gift.  Let the celebration commence ...


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 05, 2015, 09:27:25 PM
History being made!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 05, 2015, 09:46:23 PM
This is just thrilling! I am so happy to see this and to have been permitted to perform some small tasks leading to this day. Congratulations to all involved.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on December 05, 2015, 09:48:39 PM
She certainly is a beauty! You folks really know your stuff! I can't wait to see her in person, with or without whitewalls!
I need nothing else for Christmas.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 05, 2015, 10:03:32 PM
Come on, this is CGI, right?   Looks pretty real.
   Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 05, 2015, 10:48:19 PM
Another picture taken just before the first run to Alna center.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 05, 2015, 11:40:48 PM
CONGRATULATIONS GUYS!

Jeff S.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 05, 2015, 11:54:29 PM
Simply breathtaking.
Congrats to one and all.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 06, 2015, 12:17:30 AM
My picture is just a tease. The best shots are to come. There were many cameras there covering several moments through the day. The facebook team also took lots of photos, so be sure to check there as well.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 06, 2015, 01:00:07 AM
  Yesterday's test fire showed some leaks, which we addressed.  We did not test the lubricator yesterday, meaning we didn't try to move it.  Today saw some minor electrical problems, a little running gear noise which we'll chase down, and a few more steam leaks.  The engine is stiff- as expected. 

The whistle, patterns made by Alan Downey, and machined mostly by Eric Shade sounds fabulous.  Can't wait for that promised you tube video.

More details to post as I remember them...

Congratulations to all of us- this was truly a team effort!  Now to hammer that list we made today...

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Madore on December 06, 2015, 01:05:25 AM
Congrats to all!    Wow, wish I had known this was going to happen.  I would love to have see this in-person.

/Kevin
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 06, 2015, 01:17:23 AM
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/DSC_0637.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/DSC_0645.jpg)

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/DSC_0659.jpg)

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/DSC_0674.jpg)

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/DSC_0685.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/DSC_0714.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 06, 2015, 01:28:06 AM
Absolutely gorgeous pictures, Brendan! I love how the paint on the inside of the bell matches the cab roof and also contrasts with the green cab interior. The graphite smokebox is also really pretty.

I can't wait to see the video! (I'm really curious what she sounds like, both stack and whistle.)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 06, 2015, 01:34:38 AM
Great photos.  It is interesting to note that the steam up took place on the very first piece of (outside) track that was laid by Harry in 1991.  Bay 1 was built in 1990-'91 and the track extended out the door shortly afterward.  This is where flatcar 118 was rebuilt back then and where #9 was steamed up today and ... run for the first time under steam power since 1933.  The first move was at 2:45 pm.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 06, 2015, 01:45:12 AM
I am CERTAIN that Harry, along with Alice Ramsdell, is smiling down from Heaven today!!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 06, 2015, 01:59:36 AM
Alna Center with coach three. Forgot the camera had to use the phone.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_3101.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74004/IMG_3110.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 06, 2015, 02:03:50 AM
I am CERTAIN that Harry, along with Alice Ramsdell, is smiling down from Heaven today!!!
When No.9 first moved...it emitted a perfect smoke ring that floated above the locomotive. It was the opinion of many that it was Harry letting us know of his approval.....

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 06, 2015, 02:21:31 AM
I don't mind saying that as I look at these photos and read the comments, I have a lump in my throat, and I think I've got something in my eye....
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on December 06, 2015, 03:29:16 AM
Today was an amazing day and one for the history books. The sound of her whistle sent chills down my spine as we chugged northward thinking about what she must have been like back when she was new.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on December 06, 2015, 03:43:52 AM
This is such an exciting moment to get to see.

Jason was very kind in letting me hear the first blasts from the whistle over the phone. For the last 15 months, I've been silently begging of the whistle to "Please don't sound annoying...please don't sound annoying...". If it sounds the same as it did over the phone, I think I can give a bit of a sigh of relief. I hope I can hear it in-person soon.

Whenever I have the great fortune to be on-site, I always saw folks going the extra mile on their small (or large) part of the project. And it really shows... everything looks really phenomenal. My hat is off to all the folks who've been busting their butts to get #9 under steam again.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 06, 2015, 05:00:44 AM
It is hard to contemplate all the parts that had to be preserved for so long, taken off, cleaned, repaired or fabricated new, painted, put back together, adjusted, tweaked, etc. to get to this point in time.  The dedication of so many for so long has come together today and it is fitting that the first train run on the original roadbed contained both a WW&F locomotive and coach 3.  History really came alive today.

Christmas came early this year and the Victorian Christmas event will be a true Christmas treat for everyone.

Kudos to all the Museum membership for a job so very well done.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 06, 2015, 07:44:43 AM
This event has been so many years in the making. My first visit to Sheepscot was in the summer of 1990, 25 years ago, when Bay 1 was being framed. There wasn't a single piece of equipment on the property yet, and the building didn't even have a roof, but there was already a short length of track in place, and talking with Harry it was clear that he was building a home for No. 9. Now a quarter century later, the dream has been fulfilled.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on December 06, 2015, 11:53:51 AM
Dedication, patience and persistence. Thank you Jason, and EVERYONE who worked to bring No 9 back to life.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/768/22932070673_6535c09f7b_b.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/688/23532509586_f06b597cd9_b.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/743/23476150501_10b0b1c9ac_b.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chris McChesney on December 06, 2015, 12:18:05 PM
I awoke this morning and as usual, sipped a cup 'o joe and checked my email.  The usual:  spam, spam, spam, read that one later, spam, …what!?  First thought -Christmas has arrived early!

This is the day we have been waiting for, for all these years.  How absolutely amazing it is to see her in steam! 

What a beautiful tribute to the countless hours of blood, sweat, and tears that Jason and all of the volunteers of the WW&F Ry. Museum have dedicated in making this dream a reality.

This is another incredible milestone for fans of the WW&F, Maine's two-foot heritage and steam railroad preservation world-wide.

I am extremely proud to be a member of such a world-class and amazing museum.

Merry Christmas everyone!

Chris McChesney 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on December 06, 2015, 01:48:07 PM
Engine Engine Number Nine, steaming down the Sheepscot Line. See her sparkle see her shine, Engine Engine Number Nine.

More to come as I remember the rest of the poem from the famed childhood poem of the Chicago line.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry Harper on December 06, 2015, 01:55:01 PM
Well Done, well done.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on December 06, 2015, 02:20:40 PM
Here is the full poem

Engine Engine Number Nine
Steaming down the Sheepscot Line
See her sparkle see her shine
Engine Engine Number Nine

Built by Portland in '94
She may be old, but far from Sore
For years she sat out in the cold
But now she is big and Bold

 as she whistles through the night
 to some she may seem like a fright
 but if you see her in the light
 she really is quite the sight

Here her coming down the line
She's Engine Engine Number Nine
She may have ridden many lines
But she still has her shine

As she pulls her train with pride
She really has an amazing stride
Sit on back and enjoy the ride
The crew has got amazing pride

Engine Engine Number Nine
Steams down the Sheepscot line
Friends and neighbors join a line
To see Number Nine sparkle and shine
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on December 06, 2015, 02:21:48 PM
You guys just continue to amaze!  Great work! Someone should notify the Smithsonian..really
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 06, 2015, 03:09:23 PM
What needs to be remembered is Saturday was the  FIRST time that WW&F 9 pulled WW&F coach 3!
The coach left the WW&F sometime before 1912 and decades prior to the arrival of No. 9!

Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 06, 2015, 03:59:53 PM
Running in the yard.

https://youtu.be/1_DAagJCW4g
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on December 06, 2015, 05:13:35 PM
Brendan, Thanks for the short video of number 9, the whistle sounds great.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 06, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
First move.

https://youtu.be/U61sfEilTXs
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Schade on December 06, 2015, 08:38:24 PM
My impressions from yesterday's events:
https://youtu.be/iX9Asc0F9uA (https://youtu.be/iX9Asc0F9uA)

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 06, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Nice videos youz guyz!! 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 06, 2015, 10:11:01 PM
Great video, Eric!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on December 07, 2015, 02:04:29 AM
Great videos guys, thanks for the postings.  It is neat to see #9 moving again after all the work done on her by Jason and others.

Tom C.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on December 07, 2015, 06:28:59 AM
Great videos, Eric and Brendon. Really gives a lot of good "eye candy" to those of us far away. And the sounds speak volumes!
And as for the photographs, they are so vivid, I almost feel like I could reach out and touch #9! Thank you Stephen, Brendon and Mike!
Nothing says Maine Two Footer like a Portland Forney and the good folks at WW&F have spoken most eloquently!

Thanks for a job superbly done,

John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on December 07, 2015, 05:32:40 PM
Great job to everyone involved in the restoration!  A couple of questions:

1.  Have you tested the vacuum brakes as well as the handbrake?

2.  Has Dale King provided any feedback as to how No. 9 looks and performs?

3.  Any comments as to what items are showing up on the break-in list?

Dave Crow
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 07, 2015, 09:26:53 PM
Hi Dave, as to your first question. The vacuum brakes work. You can feel them go on in the coach. Hand brake was on when I tried to move #9 with #52. The diesel could not move #9.
dwight
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 07, 2015, 10:27:29 PM
Jason is the holder of the punch list. Nothing major. Just tighten this, move that, etc. I was impressed at how short the list is...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 07, 2015, 10:48:18 PM
In Eric's video I think you can see a vacuum brake application around the 9:08 mark.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 08, 2015, 12:00:15 AM
Are we going to see #9 for Victorian Christmas?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 08, 2015, 12:05:21 AM
Are we going to see #9 for Victorian Christmas?

I'm sure it will be visible for those that know where to look.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on December 08, 2015, 12:11:16 AM
Congrats everyone that has worked so hard towards the end goal of getting #9 running again. I wish I could do more to help out, and if I could I would make volunteering at the museum my full time "job". Great work! I look forward to the double header plow extra with #9 & #10.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 08, 2015, 12:21:51 AM
A couple more test days before we decide on using 9 at Victorian Christmas.  There will be a formal sequence of public unveiling events discussed at the board meeting, Friday night.

Please don't look for double heading very soon.  It's not high on our list...  We do look forward to providing glimpses of the WW&F's hey day, when two train operations were common.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 08, 2015, 12:35:27 AM
Since the first photos went up on Saturday, followed by the videos, I've received a number of congratulatory notes from railfan friends who've never been to Maine and don't quite understand the whole "two-footer" fascination. All are very complimentary of the fit and finish of No. 9.

Incidentally, Trains "News Wire" has a story and three photos.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 08, 2015, 01:10:08 AM
Thanks Wayne, we will have to check that out.

Here's a few thoughts and fun facts on #9 going back in service:

* There's the obvious part that Jason and his dedicated shop crew have done a beautiful job bringing #9 back to life.  It's a project with roots going back to the 1990's.  Jason has had a few cuts and headaches along the way but every few weeks or months progress was made.  He never gave up working towards Harry's dream of having #9 in steam.  Sometimes the problems were big such as the frames being unfit and other times the issues were small, "do we have any rope for the bell?".  Through it all he persevered and there are many people who have helped with the project with thousands of hours spent on everything from boiler design to picking the right varnish.  Jason can much better explain it than I.

A few tid bits:

* Locomotive #9 was steamed up on bay 1's track which is the first outdoor track Harry built in 1991-'92.

* Engine 9 pulled coach 3 on Saturday which is the first time the two have run together.  Coach 3 was gone long before #9 arrived in 1933.

* The passenger extra gave #9 and new milepost.  It's the first time she has been to Alna Center in 82 years.  

There are other special notes about the restoration but I thought I'd post the ones that came to mind last weekend.

BTW - There were 6 people working on #9 today.  Still a number of adjustments, tests and "touch up" to do.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry Harper on December 08, 2015, 01:16:12 AM
With all the great photos and stories the saga of No. 9's re-birth should be made available in book form. (hint)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 08, 2015, 03:04:22 AM
I first saw Eric's great 9 trip video on the Narrow Gauge Discussion Forum today.
9  also got a mention on Jay Wimer's Narrow Gauge Dead Goat Saloon.
Looks like a coming record for WW&F hits also.
How does it feel being international rail stars? 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 08, 2015, 12:40:54 PM
I spoke with Dale about a month ago- he was very complimentary.  Would like another test day or two and will get back in touch. 

Vacuum brakes put you through the wall with about a 3"/Mg application.  Makes me VERY excited for our Eames Auto system...

Shake down adjustments include brake adjustment, drive box wedge adjustment, electrical switch replacement, a few steam leaks, and a smattering of other things.

9 has repossessed its second coupler from 10; we have a locomotive coupler body and knuckle, with no lifting pin, we are retrofitting for 10 this week.

Did I forget any questions?

Jason

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on December 08, 2015, 01:48:10 PM
Hi Jason,

Looks like you covered all of my questions, many thanks!  I, too, look forward to working on equipping the cars with vacuum brakes, too.

Great job on bringing #9 back to life!

Dave Crow
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 08, 2015, 02:24:07 PM
I have a question....

While moving about the yard, especially slowly in front of Sheepscot station, there was a very noticeable "moan" coming from what appeared to be the engineer's side cylinder. You (Jason) were obviously concerned about it at the time, but apparently decided that it wasn't anything major. I didn't hear the sound later in the day, but that may have been because I was not specifically listening for it.

So... what was the sound? I'm guessing it falls into "drive box wedge adjustment"?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 08, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
No, that was a cylinder moan.  I suspect it was piston on bore, but only because the rear head bearing is still a little tight.  That's part of breaking in.  Lots of oil.  It's not a major problem- I noted that it was possible when I assembled that cylinder last spring.

Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 08, 2015, 10:55:51 PM
I am simply CRAZY about that single chime whistle!!! I've decided that I want a recording of it played at my funeral, instead of music! (Hopefully that will still be a long way off!!!)

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 08, 2015, 11:21:34 PM
[Moderator's Note]
A discussion on Eames Vacuum brakes for the rest of the WW&F fleet has been teased out (and merged with a prior topic) at:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2524.0 (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=2524.0)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on December 09, 2015, 12:45:57 AM
No, that was a cylinder moan.  I suspect it was piston on bore, but only because the rear head bearing is still a little tight.  That's part of breaking in.  Lots of oil.  It's not a major problem- I noted that it was possible when I assembled that cylinder last spring.

Jason

I'm guessing that 9 was "speaking" to us as best she could....
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 09, 2015, 01:46:17 AM
No, that was a cylinder moan.  I suspect it was piston on bore, but only because the rear head bearing is still a little tight.  That's part of breaking in.  Lots of oil.  It's not a major problem- I noted that it was possible when I assembled that cylinder last spring.

Jason

I'm guessing that 9 was "speaking" to us as best she could....
If you had been awakened after an 82 year nap you would moan and groan a bit from stiff joints!
Keith
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 09, 2015, 01:48:55 AM
On some of the other forums there are some people claiming that they steamed up #9 in Connecticut during the 1960s.  I find this hard to believe.  If memory serves, 9 didn't come with any injectors or anything that would allow people to put additional water in the boiler, or see how much water is in the boiler, or safety valves for that matter. 
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Allan Fisher on December 09, 2015, 02:44:35 AM
A visitor five or ten years ago told me that he was a young neighbor of Alice's -, and that they did in fact steam up #9 - have no idea whether he was speaking the truth.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 09, 2015, 03:25:25 AM
Was there ever any track laid on the Ramsdell farm, apart from what was in the barn?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 09, 2015, 03:47:56 AM
Photo of #9 was shown tonight on Portland's TV channel 8 at end of 6PM news.
dwight
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on December 09, 2015, 05:51:31 AM
I visited Alice in early 60s and there was no track outside the barn that I remember.
if it was steamed up it did not move.

There is a "Trains" (in the 90's?) article about a couple of young fellows from NJ(?) that lifted #9 from the
dirt - rolled it out and back in the barn over a Labor Day Weekend. Have the Magazine but it is extremely buried.

Carl

Another site said moved in 80s - Tempus Fugit
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 09, 2015, 06:21:02 AM
There is a "Trains" (in the 90's?) article about a couple of young fellows from NJ(?) that lifted #9 from the
dirt - rolled it out and back in the barn over a Labor Day Weekend. Have the Magazine but it is extremely buried.

It's the August 1983 issue of Trains.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 09, 2015, 11:40:37 AM
Dwight, quite possibly my photo, as I submitted it to their U-local photo page..
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 09, 2015, 11:55:02 AM
An old friend of mine down here in Pennsylvania visited Alice Ramsdell in the early 1980's, and she permitted him to bar No. 9 halfway out of the shed so he could take a photo. I've seen his photos, but I've lost track of him.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 12, 2015, 02:47:31 AM
Years ago, while I was the Curator of the Walker Transportation Collection at the Beverly Historical Society, we met regularly every Wednesday evening in a "workshop" environment. Anyone was welcome to come and do research or volunteer at those sessions.  An elderly woman used to come to some of those sessions. She was sort of an odd person but was greatly interested in trains.  One evening we heard footsteps overhead (the collection was housed in the basement in a totally renovated area) and then they were coming down the stairs.  As God is my witness, it was our friend, and she had with her none other than Alice Ramsdell. I could barely believe it.  She spent over two hours with us that evening, looking at photos of the SR&RL #6, and regaling us with stories of her father's plans for it.  I'd heard the stories of her allowing certain trusted folks to "work on" the engine, and "bar" it out for photos, etc. YANKEE Magazine did a story on her about that period of time. 
   One of our Walker volunteers, Russell Munroe, had been down to her farm at an earlier time and took pictures. He told us that the house and all the property was like a time capsule.  She butchered her own animals and all the other farm chores by herself.  What a remarkable person. After the visit that evening, we never saw her again, but I'll never forget that night as long as I live.  I'm sure she would be thrilled to see what finally has become of "her engine".  (It was rumored she once threatened Nelson Blount with a gun when he tried to bargain the engine away from her -- anyone know if that's true?)
   Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 12, 2015, 02:52:31 AM
Richard,

I'd like to reprint your post in the Jan/Feb 2016 WW&F Newsletter, with your byline of course. Would that be OK?

John McNamara
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 12, 2015, 02:55:44 AM
With regard to an earlier post, I believe there WAS a short piece of track under the locomotive in the shed at Alice's farm. I even remember seeing a  photo which seemed to show about 20 feet of really poor track extending out from the door of the shed.  Can anyone confirm that?
   Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 12, 2015, 02:57:29 AM
Sure, John, go ahead and print it. As I say, I'll never forget that night!  Her name still is in the Guest Register at the Walker Collection!
   Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 12, 2015, 02:59:32 AM
Thanks!
John M
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 12, 2015, 12:45:56 PM
Within the last two or three days, I've dug out the August 1983 issue of Trains magazine, in which Peter Rickershauser describes a 1974 weekend visit to the Ramsdell farm, during which he and a friend repaired a short section of track in front of the shed in which No. 9 reposed, then barred the old gal outside so they could repair the track inside the shed. Apparently Alice was so thrilled with their actually showing up and doing the work that she offered them meals and put them up overnight! The piece includes multiple photos of the work underway and two color photos of No. 9, numbered and lettered as Sandy River & Rangely (sic) Lakes No. 6.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Fortier on December 12, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
Within the last two or three days, I've dug out the August 1983 issue of Trains magazine, in which Peter Rickershauser describes a 1974 weekend visit to the Ramsdell farm, during which he and a friend repaired a short section of track in front of the shed in which No. 9 reposed, then barred the old gal outside so they could repair the track inside the shed. Apparently Alice was so thrilled with their actually showing up and doing the work that she offered them meals and put them up overnight! The piece includes multiple photos of the work underway and two color photos of No. 9, numbered and lettered as Sandy River & Rangely (sic) Lakes No. 6.

(http://home.earthlink.net/~wfortier/WW&F/20140622-198308%20Trains%20Cover.jpg)

(http://home.earthlink.net/~wfortier/WW&F/Trains-198308-p23-19740908-Ramsdell%20Farm-01.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 12, 2015, 07:07:06 PM
Thanks for the scans, Bill.

What happened to the box headlight and the "Railroad Crossing" sign leaning against the barn door in the color photo? Do we have those now? I would assume both are ex-WW&F.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 12, 2015, 09:52:10 PM
The crossing sign is from Weeks Mills and came back with #9.  It is the pattern for our crossing signs.  The original is displayed in the freight house.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 12, 2015, 10:58:50 PM
According to Harry's daughter Mary, Harry started going to visit Alice in mid 1970s, probably before this person did.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 12, 2015, 11:39:01 PM
The ultimate "barn find".  Usually we associate such with old cars, but here's the jackpot!  Imagine the odds of it surviving the WWII scrap drives or just having the shed collapse on top of it later on, exposing it to the elements.  Now let's go find the always elusive sunken locomotives in the many New England lakes that are rumored to exist!
   The only one we know for sure exists is the B&M 3666 in the Piscataqua River at Portsmouth. Now who has lots of money and a crane?
 Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 12, 2015, 11:44:02 PM
Thanks, Stewart. I thought the sign looked familiar.

Does anyone know about the box headlight? I'm eager to learn what happened to it, and what its lineage may have been.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 13, 2015, 12:07:38 AM
Some photos from today.

#9 in front of the station, waiting for WMTW to arrive.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/DSC_0004_zpsd6kvtk8z.jpg)

The first trip to Alna Center, before the run-around.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/DSC_0015_zps7byxwf5l.jpg)

The freight trip.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b423/JamesCPatten/DSC_0039_zpsx03fogws.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 13, 2015, 12:39:51 AM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1212151010_zpsw0pvd74c.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1212151031a_zpsarxlxrbr.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1212151438_zpshvsc73cv.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mobile%20Uploads/1212151441_zpsa9peo5v7.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on December 13, 2015, 01:23:43 AM
The ultimate "barn find".  Usually we associate such with old cars, but here's the jackpot!  Imagine the odds of it surviving the WWII scrap drives or just having the shed collapse on top of it later on, exposing it to the elements.  Now let's go find the always elusive sunken locomotives in the many New England lakes that are rumored to exist!

I think that the amazing thing that sets 9 apart from other "lost" or "found" locomotives is that 9 has always had someone sort of looking out for her, in a way. To think, saved first by the Kennebec Central then by Frank Winter and the WW&F, then the Ramsdell's, and finally resurrected by the WW&F Railway's current incarnation. She certainly has led a charmed life!

Mike, beautiful photos- I especially like your artistic use of the puddle. Who'd of thought we'd have this weather in December?!

Stephen
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 13, 2015, 04:03:45 AM
More pics from today.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74005/IMG_3165.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74005/IMG_3159.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74005/IMG_3133.jpg)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 13, 2015, 04:26:04 AM
So, No. 9 finally got to pull Boxcar 309 from the Ramsdell farm, after all these years!!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 13, 2015, 12:37:38 PM
I definitely see some photos for next years calendar !!!!!!   Nice job everyone...........
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on December 13, 2015, 09:10:45 PM
Fantastic photos! I still can't get over how good that boiler jacket looks. The WW&F is two feet wide and larger than life!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 13, 2015, 10:41:23 PM
Hopefully sometime next year they'll have an "SR&RL Day" with the #9 spun around to become #6, and vinyl letters SR&RL on the tank.  Sort of like what was done a few years ago with #10 becoming "Pleasure Island & Western" #5 for a day.   Could even make the #9 "Sandy River" #5 which was its original road name / number before the 1908 merger.
   Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Justin Franz on December 14, 2015, 11:13:28 PM
Hopefully sometime next year they'll have an "SR&RL Day" with the #9 spun around to become #6, and vinyl letters SR&RL on the tank.  Sort of like what was done a few years ago with #10 becoming "Pleasure Island & Western" #5 for a day.   Could even make the #9 "Sandy River" #5 which was its original road name / number before the 1908 merger.
   Richard

To add to the list of future photo charters, a Kennebec Central charter would be fun since I don't think there has been a KCRR lettered locomotive since the 1930s.

Justin Franz
Whitefish, Montana
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on December 14, 2015, 11:41:35 PM
That seems appropriate, especially now that there is some old Kennebec Central rail in service on the WW&F.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 15, 2015, 12:46:27 AM
But how would we simulate a Kennebec Central consist? Put sideboards on the flatcars and load them up with coal? :)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 15, 2015, 02:08:09 AM
Sure, why not?  Use real coal or just spray a load of ballast stone with black water paint. 
   Richard
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 15, 2015, 02:35:00 AM
Think outside the box.
It is a train of empties returning to Randolph.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 15, 2015, 03:27:22 AM
If we're going to do the KC, then we need to recruit some local geezers to portray GAR veterans living at Togus.  Load up one of the coaches with some of them!   Get some old blue jackets and campaign caps and let 'em have at it.
   Richard

PS: Wouldn't the late Linwood Moody love seeing the WW&F and particularly #9 come to life again?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on December 15, 2015, 01:39:53 PM
If memory serves correctly Moody wasn't a big fan of the WW&F or the B&SR.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Justin Franz on December 15, 2015, 05:03:48 PM
But how would we simulate a Kennebec Central consist? Put sideboards on the flatcars and load them up with coal? :)

That is actually exactly what I was thinking; two flatcars of coal, a boxcar and a coach and *poof* Kennebec Central photo freight. Please give ample warning so that I can get a plane ticket home for that one!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on December 15, 2015, 06:41:02 PM
Coach 8, being round-roofed, would look closer to the KC passenger equipment than Coach 3...
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 15, 2015, 07:52:37 PM
If memory serves correctly Moody wasn't a big fan of the WW&F or the B&SR.

Yeah, it's clear in The Maine Two-Footers that he felt mistreated by Frank Winter during his (very brief) employment as Supt. of the WW&F, and he seems to imply the railroad had been mismanaged from the start.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 15, 2015, 07:55:20 PM
two flatcars of coal, a boxcar and a coach and *poof* Kennebec Central photo freight.

But wouldn't the boxcar have to be painted gray?
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 15, 2015, 10:23:58 PM
Quote from: Joe Fox on December 15, 2015, 01:39:53 PM
Quote
If memory serves correctly Moody wasn't a big fan of the WW&F or the B&SR.

Let's not split hairs.  You know Moody would enjoy seeing any of the 2-footers partially rebuilt and the #9 running again!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry Harper on December 16, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
I can't help it! I keep going back and looking at the photos.....  ;D

Considering the quality and quantity of work done I am thinking a classic builders photo is in order - complete with blocked out background. Or, if possible, a photo with the whole restoration crew.

Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 16, 2015, 10:25:32 PM
Funny you should mention, both are planned!

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on December 18, 2015, 07:45:08 PM
If a KC train is to be simulated, with flat cars loaded with coal, shouldn't the Civil War vets be loaded, too? Just channeling Moody.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 18, 2015, 10:46:56 PM
If a KC train is to be simulated, with flat cars loaded with coal, shouldn't the Civil War vets be loaded, too? Just channeling Moody.

Not much left of the vets to load.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 19, 2015, 02:21:16 AM
Especially if they get loaded too often.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on December 22, 2015, 10:21:06 PM
I wanted to personally comment on 9's return after a few days of contemplation of Saturday's activities and after droo.... looking at all the great pictures.

First thing, I think all of us who are regulars at the museum or here on-line understand and appreciate the (choose your favorite ultimate complement) effort that occurs on a regular basis there in Sheepscot.

But most of all, as a practicing engineer for too many years, my admiration for the patience, knowledge, dedication and passion of Jason continues to grow. Acknowledging that he has had the good fortune of a cast of supporting characters who are amazing, the reality is that bringing this type of project to a successful fruition is not just technical skill and obsession, but requires the maturity, confidence, and ability to work with a range of people of all skill levels, and to manage budgets, competing priorities, and changing course when appropriate that one finds very rarely, even at the highest altitudes of corporate structures.

Personally, having visited Ramsdell farm in about 1965 with my high school sweetie (proof is in the archives!), it has not yet penetrated my jaded and gray old head that I was actually at the throttle of 9 in 2015. Fifty years. My kids and grand kids in the cab with me. I think that about sums it up for a lot of us. 

What else can one say? From reading Moody's book over and over as a teenager, to adult with family and personal loss.... to Saturday.  I never would have been able to imagine.

Thanks to Alice, Frank, Dale, Harry, Jason, the list goes on. I, WE, are lucky to be able to have this small pleasure in what sometimes isn't so pleasurable a life.



Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 22, 2015, 11:04:06 PM
I wanted to personally comment on 9's return after a few days of contemplation of Saturday's activities and after droo.... looking at all the great pictures.

First thing, I think all of us who are regulars at the museum or here on-line understand and appreciate the (choose your favorite ultimate complement) effort that occurs on a regular basis there in Sheepscot.

But most of all, as a practicing engineer for too many years, my admiration for the patience, knowledge, dedication and passion of Jason continues to grow. Acknowledging that he has had the good fortune of a cast of supporting characters who are amazing, the reality is that bringing this type of project to a successful fruition is not just technical skill and obsession, but requires the maturity, confidence, and ability to work with a range of people of all skill levels, and to manage budgets, competing priorities, and changing course when appropriate that one finds very rarely, even at the highest altitudes of corporate structures.

Personally, having visited Ramsdell farm in about 1965 with my high school sweetie (proof is in the archives!), it has not yet penetrated my jaded and gray old head that I was actually at the throttle of 9 in 2015. Fifty years. My kids and grand kids in the cab with me. I think that about sums it up for a lot of us. 

What else can one say? From reading Moody's book over and over as a teenager, to adult with family and personal loss.... to Saturday.  I never would have been able to imagine.

Thanks to Alice, Frank, Dale, Harry, Jason, the list goes on. I, WE, are lucky to be able to have this small pleasure in what sometimes isn't so pleasurable a life.

So, as it so happens, I finally managed to put my small donation into the mail today for the annual fund drive.  I struggled to answer well the two questions the long range planning committee posed in the mailing.

I think Gordon captured much of what I had hoped to write if words didn't fail me.

Thanks, and Merry Christmas.

- Bill
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on December 23, 2015, 01:36:39 AM
Gordon has summed up so well my thoughts.

The character of Jason, with a wonderful cast of supporting actors, has made this an award winning production.

The proof steams on.

My congratulations and thanks.

Ira Schreiber
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 23, 2015, 01:45:08 PM
Thank you Gordon and everyone for your kind words.  I see my place as to channel and coordinate resources and volunteer effort, which you acknowledged; that means however that it took all of us to actually pull this off.   From volunteers who put in 2 days a week for years down to volunteers who gave the project a weekend.  Even our paid vendors also deserve a nod for giving the project the attention that we feel it deserves.  Truly- I hope everyone in the organization is proud of this accomplishment.

I never realized (or don't remember you telling me) that you got to visit No 9 as a kid, Gordon.  What a fabulous story, and how appropriate; thank you for sharing!

Merry Christmas everyone,
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 24, 2015, 08:52:10 PM
Almost forgot to thank the "steam crew" for the 1lb Hershey bar for Christmas... Thank you!!!

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on December 25, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
1 lb!  boy that is a treat that will spike ur blood sugar.  Go SLOW! :o

Tom C.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 25, 2015, 06:57:56 PM
I meant to mention a couple of weeks ago:

Credit to Bernie and Wayne, who went through the Sunbeam turbo a few years ago.  31.86 volts.

Merry Christmas!
Jason
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on December 26, 2015, 07:02:32 AM
Jason
Are you using 36 volt bulbs or throttling back to get lower volts

Gud Jule
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 26, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
They are 34 Volt bulbs that I purchased from Aamsco (http://www.aamsco.com/light-bulbs/railway.php (http://www.aamsco.com/light-bulbs/railway.php)) a few years ago. At the 31.86 volts, that Jason mentioned, everything should be fine. :)

-John
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 26, 2015, 07:27:49 PM
The turbogenerator has an adjustable governor that we set to unload at slightly less than 32 volts DC output when we worked on it three years ago.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 11, 2016, 12:15:13 PM
I have tried to figure out what the rectangular white panel is for above No. 9's head lamp.  During reconstruction I thought it was a number board, but they are on the side and no number appeared in the front before she was rolled out.  Since it is an electric head lamp I reasoned it couldn't be a kerosene chimney of some sort.  Could someone enlighten me gracefully so I don't smack my forehead and say "I should'a figured that out!"  Thanks.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on January 11, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
I would guess it's for train number display.  Wishful thinking on a two-footer. "Train number one, now leaving for somewhere to nowhere!"
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 11, 2016, 01:32:03 PM
The headlight is a Maine Central design from when the locomotive was on the SR&RL and the top panel is for displaying the train number.  We have no records of the WW&F ever using the MEC style panel to indicate train numbers.  

Prior to WWI the W&Q/WW&F displayed train numbers with tin numerals on the headlight lense of the road engines.  There are photos showing train numbers on a piece of wire in front of the glass which would display the train number day or night.  
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 11, 2016, 02:39:19 PM
Thanks Ken & Stewart, I knew there was a simple answer.  For us, we have only two directions, Northbound and Southbound.  Of course we now have three locomotives so I guess we could have had a big 'A' and a 'B' on a wire for the Victorian Christmas if we wanted to go all out and further complicate our lives.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on January 11, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
Train numbers would be cool to replicate, however for us that means changing the numbers every trip, or 7 times per day.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 11, 2016, 05:10:03 PM
Train numbers would be cool to replicate, however for us that means changing the numbers every trip, or 7 times per day.
Easily done with an LED display.  ;D (Writer hides under desk, and awaits trip to Whimsical Weirdness & Foolery.)
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 11, 2016, 05:25:53 PM
We put a train number on #10's headlight during one of the picnics, 2000 or 2001.  The number stayed on the engine's headlight all day.  We didn't make another number for the tank light for a northbound train.  I have photos of the locomotive with a number (7?) on the headlight.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on February 03, 2016, 06:16:39 PM
Just make the job of changing train numbers a function of the conductor.  After all, it's "his" train.  Provide a container to hold the numbers as part of the conductor' s kit.
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 12, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
Today, much of #9's brake and steam plumbing was cleaned, primed and painted black by Eric S.  The work looks very nice!
Title: Re: WW&F No. 9 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 09, 2016, 01:14:50 AM
Well, #9 has been running well for 5 months.  While we have been enjoying the locomotives' return to service with extras and photo charters another special thing has happened.   

This thread now has,  drumroll please ...

Over 100,000 views.  It's the first thread be reach the 6 figure mark, leaving the next thread behind by over 20,000 views.  Not only is #9's restoration a big thing but the #9 thread is a big thing as well.  Kudos to everyone who helped bring #9 back to life, supported it and followed the progress on line over the years.  It's quite a mile post for the museum.

 [Applause]

Thank you!