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Title: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 05, 2011, 07:12:00 PM
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Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on November 07, 2011, 03:32:40 PM
Hmmm. That looks like some mighty fine hand-joinery being produced there. And it seems to be fitting together well too. Nice job!
Duncan
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on December 17, 2011, 09:01:12 PM
Is the the reconstruction of the WW&F Reefer Car that will look like the WW&F Boxcar 309 but in its Historic Colors
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 17, 2011, 09:08:00 PM
Matthew,

It will be a reproduction of WW&F 65, a refrigerator car that was labelled (and used for) the Turner Centre Dairying Association creamery located in downtown Wiscasset. It will be displayed at or near where the creamery was located.

-John
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on December 17, 2011, 09:25:05 PM
So what you are saying is that when its complete it wont be staying on the WW&F grounds when its finished
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 17, 2011, 09:34:34 PM
I think it will spend summers in Wiscasset, and then possibly come back to Sheepscot in the winter.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jock Ellis on December 27, 2011, 10:12:00 PM
My father did that kind of woodwork but I'm afraid I know next to nothing about it. Is it called mortise and tenon? How did they connect the ribs and the sides when they were in place. They sure are smiling a lot to be doing all that hard work.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 28, 2011, 08:40:15 AM
Hi Jock,

    The method is called mortise and tenon.  There are two basic types of joinery in wood car construction mortise and tenon and the use of corner irons.  In some cases both are used.  The key to the cars stability is the steel rods that travel through the car body.  Truss rods keep the base frame (end sills and stringers) true.  The cross rods help put weight on the bolsters.  Through rods will be installed next to each stud, these keep the car sides well seated to the frame and plumb.  Top rods will be used as well.  They keep the roof rafters solid to the top sills and give extra support for the roof structure.  When tightened, the top and side rods draw the wooden members into the sills.  After the frame is built, sheathing the car inside and out ties everything together. 

Stewart

     
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jock Ellis on December 29, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
Thanks, Stewart. I've always wondered how you kept them together laterally. I knew drilling and tapping into wood is less than adequate but I never considered rods next to each stud. Back in the day (as they say) did the RR personnel charged with the maintenance  of such cars tighten the nuts on a regular basis or when cars began to have a noticeable sag? What does the WW&F do (WWWW&FD?)?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 29, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
Some of the rods inside the car can't be tightened after the sheathing is applied. The wood will shrink a little, but not enough to allow the mortise and tennons to separate, while the rods hold everything together.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 29, 2011, 09:11:08 PM
We are working from original Portland Company plans which show all the rods to be installed as construction progresses.  There is a lot of unseen steel in wooden cars.  As to rod adjustments, (as Mike noted) hidden rods are all tightened when they are installed and the nuts peened over.  No further attention is given them unless there are heavy repairs to the car sides.

A car in regular service would need the truss rods drawn after a time.  Cars, especially flats could have a noticeable sag.  The cross rods may need a bit of inward adjustment but not as much as the truss rods and not as often.  The shop crew would normally make adjustments and repairs to cars that have been bad ordered.  The important thing with truss rods is to wind them in evenly so each rod has the same tension.  This keeps the frame from racking as the car travels over switches and uneven track.  It's hard to say how often the truss rods would need adjustment, it depends on the type of car and what it carries.  My guess would be once a year for cars used on a weekly basis.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 01, 2012, 07:40:40 PM
Here are a few pictures I took yesterday. Detail of the Mortise and tennons for the walls.

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Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on January 02, 2012, 08:31:23 AM
We are working from original Portland Company plans which show all the rods to be installed as construction progresses.  There is a lot of unseen steel in wooden cars.  As to rod adjustments, (as Mike noted) hidden rods are all tightened when they are installed and the nuts peened over.  No further attention is given them unless there are heavy repairs to the car sides.

A car in regular service would need the truss rods drawn after a time.  Cars, especially flats could have a noticeable sag.  The cross rods may need a bit of inward adjustment but not as much as the truss rods and not as often.  The shop crew would normally make adjustments and repairs to cars that have been bad ordered.  The important thing with truss rods is to wind them in evenly so each rod has the same tension.  This keeps the frame from racking as the car travels over switches and uneven track.  It's hard to say how often the truss rods would need adjustment, it depends on the type of car and what it carries.  My guess would be once a year for cars used on a weekly basis.

Stewart

Stewart,
What do you mean by "peening" the hardware to lock it (hex nuts or square)? I know I deal with all sorts of locking hardware when I work on airplanes but I'm not sure about this method.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 02, 2012, 09:12:19 AM
Hi Robert,

     Once the rod is in place and the nuts drawn in, the threads on the end of the rod are hammered over the top of the hex nut so the nut can not back out.  This is the method used when the Portland Company built the cars in the 1890's into the early 1900's.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on January 02, 2012, 12:05:20 PM
I think I know what you mean Stewart, but a pic would be great of you have one.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 02, 2012, 04:51:29 PM
I'll try to take one when we get to that point. But all that the peening does is distort the threads enough so the nut won't back off.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on January 02, 2012, 08:57:10 PM
you take a ball peen machinist hammer and hit the threads with the small round ball end of the hammer to round over the threads
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 03, 2012, 12:48:01 PM
"Buggering" the threads was the word we used to hear. 

Richard
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on January 03, 2012, 04:46:02 PM
Where I learned it, "buggering" was when you cross threaded the nut and peening was, as said, when you mashed the threads
past the nut to prevent its backing off (and removal !)

Ira (Cross thread)Schreiber
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 03, 2012, 05:07:26 PM
My father was an old-time maintenance machinist, and he used the term "bugger" to define both mushrooming the stub of a bolt to lock the threads as well as using a cold chisel to deform the threads so the nut could not be backed off. Either procedure was pretty effective.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 03, 2012, 06:17:10 PM
Interesting stuff here.  I always heard the method described as "peening over" by the old fellows I worked with on the farm some 40 years ago.  I also heard it from the shop man when I worked at the Maryland Midland RR.  Wayne, I agree the "buggering" the threads was a term that was sometimes interchanged with peening.  And, as you pointed out, it also meant deforming the threads to keep the nuts on.  I have seen that done with a pipe wrench.  Apparently the Portland Company used double nuts on rare occasions on some bolts/rods depending on the type of car. (Maybe standard gauge?)  I have not seen it on any of the 2 foot plans so I'm not aware of double nuts being used on the WW&F cars.

This Saturday we will cut and thread the wall rods.  We'll be installing them in the next couple of weeks as we build the box frame so Mike or James should be able to get photos of the rods, showing the ends and nuts.  BTW - The nuts are counter sunk in the cap sill to allow clearance for the roof sheathing.   

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on January 03, 2012, 08:06:54 PM
That is what I thought, mushrooming over the end of the rod. I'm used to safety wire/cable, cotter pins, castellated nylock nuts, lock nuts and lock washers.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 07, 2012, 06:35:29 PM
A very nice day today. Not the best photo angles, but we finally got to a stage in the construction where a little work shows a lot.

Steve Z., J.B, and Milo cutting the rafters.
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Some cut already, with other lumber for the car.
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Getting things ready.
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James and Stewart tightening the rods
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Light dusting of snow for a little scenery
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Before lunch, we had the 4 walls up. James is peening with a ballpeen hammer.
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South End wall
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North End wall
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A couple of the nuts I peened.
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Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 08, 2012, 03:42:08 PM
Where did you buy the kit?
Viking Lumber, Ames Hardware, McMaster-Carr, and our own back yard.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on January 11, 2012, 04:08:39 PM
A very nice day today. Not the best photo angles, but we finally got to a stage in the construction where a little work shows a lot.

A couple of the nuts I peened.
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See, pictures are worth a 1000 words!!
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2012, 07:00:21 PM
A few from Today

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Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 14, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
More great photos Mike!

Today we started by cutting the top rods.  We then installed the west door header, roof rafters and top rods which sister with the rafters.  When that was done we loosened the turnbuckles on the truss rods and got the center of the car lowered 1" to level the sills and stringers.  With the base frame level we then pulled the end frames plumb and installed 2 tension rods and 2 sway braces in each end.   The last chore was to set three roof rails to test fit them to the rafters.  Since they are less than 30' they will be pulled back out for cropping to allow installation with the joints over the rafters.  

Brendan brought the pine planks for the flooring and Steve Z. cut them to length and cut the ship lap joints.  The flooring is now stacked in the back of the AA truck which is the staging area for all new lumber components.  A few pieces of extra lumber have been loaded into boxcar 309.

Next we will true the ends to the side sills and install end and intermediate braces.  These go in before the belt rail.  There are short tension rods that go from the corner posts to the end braces.  These (among other parts) will be cut next weekend.

J.B brought two friends along who, along with Gordon spent a good part of the day working on Car 65's couplers.  Much was accomplished.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 14, 2012, 09:44:26 PM
Since I received an email question I thought I would post the answer here.

The large white paper hanging from the workbench shelf in Mike's 3rd photo is the set of Portland Company plans we are using to build the milk car.   The plan is for a typical WW&F boxcar so we are following the design except for two features.  (1) There were two windows we must build, one on each side, to the right of the doors.   (2) The doors were plug style instead of the standard sliding door.  

The original car 65 was converted to a TCDA milk car by the WW&F shop crew in Wiscasset around 1913.  We are not aware of any as-built plans for the car but we have some good photographs and Wolf-Jobst Seidlers CAD plans to use for reference.  See pages 49 - 51 in Volume IV of Gary Kohler & Chris McChesney's Narrow Gauge in the Sheepscot Valley for images and plans of the original car.

Stewart    
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on January 15, 2012, 08:51:27 AM
I am not sure that these cars had a window on either side!!!  Only one side as the stove occupied the general location on the other side where the window would have been.  That is why for many years nobody thought they had windows at all!  All the early "known" photos were of the non window side of the car.  It was not until more recent years that photos of the window side started to surface.  Check into this before you make two windows.  
The single window was just for ventilation and to give the guy in the car who tended the stove in the winter time some light.  (I don't think it had much at all to do with spotting cars or picking up the cans on the fly as I have heard some others say.)  Since we are already thinking of using some lighting in the car, let’s build this the way it really was - one window.  I believe there is power down in the area but perhaps we could look into a small solar panel to run the modest lighting in the car.  (I'm thinking of a small panel on a metal post near the car someplace.  There are no obstructions in that area to worry about and it should get 100% sun all year.)  If we just had one window on one side, and the access door that was on the opposite side was left open for the public entrance, there should still be adequate lighting - especially with one single energy efficient light in either end of the car.  Just something to consider.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 15, 2012, 01:16:58 PM
As someone who has a small solar system at his camp, I have some reservations about solar systems. While the output under full sun is very satisfying, the output on overcast or rainy days is considerably reduced. This is solved by having batteries, but they have their own headaches. I suppose highway departments have somehow solved all the problems with the solar-powered roadside signs. I wonder how they do it.

I think that the most reliable lighting would be roof windows!

I gather from your comment "Since we are already thinking of using some lighting in the car.." that we contemplate people walking through the car rather than just having information posted on the outside. Can someone elaborate on this?

-John
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 15, 2012, 01:19:55 PM
In reference to the plans, we had them rolled up out of the way, or would lay them on the temporary floor of the car. I just stuck them up there so while I was laying out the rafter locations, I had a quick reference, and didn't need to worry about stepping on them.

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on January 15, 2012, 02:42:55 PM
John, how much of a system would one need to power just two light bulbs?  A motion detector to turn them on when people were present may cut down on power usage?  If it were slightly over designed would it still present the issues you mention?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 15, 2012, 03:16:19 PM
Hi Eric,

     Regarding car 65's stove, it was in the southeast corner of the car.  I don't know if the car was ever turned (probably not unless it went around the Weeks Mills wye) and all the photos show the stove being in the corner with the stove pipe coming out right above the R in the name Turner which was painted to the left of the doors.  There is a clear photo of the south half of the car showing the stove pipe near the end.  See page 50 of NGSV Vol IV.  

     As to the windows Chris and Gary researched the car when the book was written and concluded that there were windows on both sides.  Quote from page 49 of NGSV Vol IV which shows a full side view of car 65;  "Although not seen in two of the photos, the one above clearly shows the crewman window found in all the cars, and in fact the sides were mirror images."  This means that both sides had windows to the right of the doors.  That is one of the things that Zack based the design on.  

Stewart    
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 15, 2012, 04:40:05 PM
John,

     The plan that Steve Z. worked out with the town is to have the car open everyday with display photos, maps and information inside. As you know, the car will be sitting along side the shore edge of the pier.  Visitors will be able to walk from the pier right into the car since the car's floor will be at the same height as the pier.  The subject of the display and the type of lighting is being researched. 

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 15, 2012, 05:21:35 PM
Will the car be manned at all times that it's open?  Who will be responsible for that?  Sounds as if that could become a chore in itself unless there's a ready supply of dependable volunteers.

What about off-hours vandalism protection?  I can imagine it would be a nice "canvas" for graffiti artists to practice on. 

I remember how the famous old schooners were ravaged by weather and vandals until they collapsed into kindling wood.  Obviously the TCDA car is smaller and more easily monitored, but the dangers still are present. It would be a shame to see all of our hard work building the car be destroyed by bits and pieces, or by a fire some night.  Hopefully all of this has been taken into consideration.

Richard
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 15, 2012, 06:11:32 PM
The boxcar will not be manned.  We'll have to open it and close it up everyday.  Several of us travel by it daily on the way to work.

The car will be next to the creamery platform near the waterfront, which is also the home of several take-out food vendor shacks.  There's nobody in the shacks at night, and I haven't heard of any vandalism going on with them.  During the day there are people around all the time.  I don't think there'll be a problem.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on January 15, 2012, 07:25:54 PM
Suart.  Perhaps you are corect about the two windows.  Not sure where I got it stuck in my brain that there were windows only on one side but it has been there a while. :-\  All I had to do was look at the milk car I made in SN2 about six years ago to confirm....
Any way, the idea of power to the car in some fashion is a good one so long as it is not a great on-going expense.  I would like to hear more from John M. regarding solar options as I have to think we would not be drawing much power with just two bulbs.  (If two bulbs is all that is realy needed)  John was correct as I was thinking of the highway style solar panels.....
The other option is that if it is near the food stands, there must already be power in the area.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 15, 2012, 07:40:28 PM
There is power available because of the food stands - but then we need to pay for utilities.  This is intended to be a zero cost operation.  With the two windows, and the open door there should be plenty of light.  It won't be open when there won't be light, and I think the period of operation is Memorial weekend to sometime in September, so we don't have to worry about early sunset.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 15, 2012, 08:24:14 PM
James, I hope you're right about the lack of vandalism in the area. Maybe folks up there are less inclined to that sort of thing than down here.  I can picture something like that here in Beverly.  You'd have to repaint it every other week.  The "taggers" are unbelievable.

The interior photos, displays, etc., will have to be really "tamper proof" if no one is going to monitor them while open.  Again, down here, half the stuff would be gone in a week if there were any way to get at it.

I know everyone thinks I'm eternally negative, but believe me, I've seen too much crap go on to just assume everything will be hunky-dory.  I hope it is, but you have to plan for the worst.

Richard
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 15, 2012, 08:27:11 PM
Eric,

     IIRC Steve may speak to the town rep about getting a power feed in the car.  If we can get it at no cost then motion sensor lights could be installed in each end.  If there is a monthly electric bill then, as James noted there may not be any 120volt light fixtures.  Another possibility is with solar.  There is a new type of flat panel collector that would not be seen on top of the car.  It feeds small batteries that can be hidden.  This application is used for lighting on the new passenger car on the EBT that the Friends built.  Of course the initial cost and maint costs will decide what is done.  I think once car 65 is complete and we roll it out for the first time we'll have a good idea how much light gets to the ends of the car with the windows and one side door open.    

Stewart  
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 15, 2012, 08:38:42 PM
Richard,

     I just saw your post and understand your concern.  As a person who drives through Wiscasset often I think the car will be ok in that spot.  It is right across the street from Red's Eats in a very visible place by the public pier.  I have never seen anything, (buildings, etc.) get "hit" around there.   If we worry about the displays we could place a small fake security camera inside the car to make the kids think twice.  After hours and after dark there are folks who sit on the pier to watch the boats or get a cool breeze.  The Lincoln County cop cars often sit down there too, watching for speeders coming across the bridge.  They would be sitting right next to car 65.  A few years ago Maine Coast RR, later Maine Eastern had rolling stock and locomotives sitting down there and they were not tampered with.  Car 65 will be right near the center of the well traveled area so I think things will be fine.

Stewart     
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on January 20, 2012, 09:29:50 AM
Will the trucks that going to be used on #65 be good enough for at least some some photo sessions at the museum?  It certainly be nice to see #65 in an all freight and/or mixed train photos before heading off to Wiscasset.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 20, 2012, 10:03:29 AM
Yes the trucks will be good enough for photo sessions.  We were going to put in oak blocks instead of springs, but given the price of springs we'll put springs in and have some left over for a future car.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 21, 2012, 08:56:00 PM
Todays progress.

Dwight, Fred and JB working on the flooring. The bracing that was installed that morning can be seen.
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A couple of shots after they had gone as far as they could with the flooring.

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The coupler shank after milling , grinding and partway through the drilling.
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Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 22, 2012, 07:54:47 AM
More great pics from our newsman Mike.  Car frame update -

Yesterday we started with truing the east side of the car.  We set the come along at the north end and pulled the roof south to plumb.  It was only out by 1/2 inch so it didn't take long.  We then started at the southeast corner and made the corner and intermediate lateral braces.  As you can see, the side diagonals not only true the walls but are designed to distribute weight from the upper portion of the car to the bolster.  Fred and Dwight spent a good bit of time applying (boiled) linseed oil to the stringers, side sills and joints.  When that was done we measured for true center of the car and set the first floor plank.  Fred, J.B. and Dwight worked south, then north from the center installing planks as far as they could.  They had to stop at the second stud because the west side lateral braces are not in.  The flooring goes under the inside walls so the planks must be cut around the foot of the studs, braces and tension rods.  When the west side braces are in, flooring can continue.  We will then re-tighten the vertical tension rods on both sides so the frame will be ready for construction of the belt rail.

Stewart   
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 22, 2012, 01:33:17 PM
Fred and Dwight spent a good bit of time applying (boiled) linseed oil to the stringers, side sills and joints. 
Harry Percival is smiling.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 22, 2012, 04:53:58 PM
I bet he is. I have worn quite a bit of that lately.

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on January 22, 2012, 05:27:54 PM
Zake and Steve Z. also worked on 65 yesterday.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 22, 2012, 09:00:08 PM
How was the temperature maintained in the original car?  Did they use ice in the summer and have a heater in the winter?  Will there be any attempt to portray this in the replica?

RIchard
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 22, 2012, 10:54:46 PM
Richard,

     According to Chris McChesney, TCDA cars 65, 72 and 73 had zinc or lead ice bins in each end with a drain in the floor.  Ice was cut from Lovejoy pond and loaded in the cars at Albion.   As to heat, there were coal stoves.  We know from photos that car 65 had a stove in one end for a time, the pipe came out by the R in Turner.  At another time the stove was located towards the center of the car, probably because one end got too cold during the worst Winter days.

     As far as I know there will not be any replica heating or cooling in the new car 65.  All space is reserved for display area.  This could easily be changed with the addition of a few "props" depending on the type and size of the display.  Of course any inside things have to be safe and kid proof.  Cost would be a factor as well.  The final decision is up to the BoD as to what is done inside the car.

Stewart   
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 23, 2012, 08:54:50 AM
I would think at least a simple description such as you gave me ought to be included as part of the display inside the car, so people would understand how it worked.

Thanks

Richard
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on January 23, 2012, 09:36:13 PM
  Stewart, How often where the three cars used, and was product shipped in both directions on the railroad ?  Thanks for all the information on the car building and the pictures just add so much to the written word.     Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 24, 2012, 07:34:33 AM
Fred,

     Ruth Wiggins wrote about the milk operations in her books.  She remembered the morning trains starting in Albion where the cars 65, 72 and 73 would be iced, loaded with cream cans from the Albion area and a crewman put aboard.  The crewman would ride the milk car(s) to Wiscasset, picking up milk cans along the line.  From her writings it looks like the dairy cars were on most of the morning down trains for 10 years or so.  Car 73 was destroyed in the cream car wreck at the MCRR diamond shortly after it was built so for the next 10 - 15 years cars 65 and 72 served the Turner Creamery.  Cans were shipped full to the Turner Center Creamery in Wiscasset and returned empty to be set out at their stop.  The cans were steam cleaned at the creamery for their return trip.  We have a couple of cans that were used on the WW&F and they are marked for the family dairy that owned them.  The marked cans assured that the milk car crewman would know what station to set out the empties. 

     At some point in the 1920's the two surviving milk cars were rebuilt as regular boxcars.  The WW&F must have decided that another milk car was in order and rebuilt car 509 as a reefer.  It served unil the end of operations, being part of the consist of the last train in 1933.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Erik Z. Missal on January 24, 2012, 06:54:12 PM
Is there a list of farms that shipped on the railroad? How were the cans that survive marked? I often run into milk cans at auctions and the flea market.
Erik
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 24, 2012, 08:44:08 PM
Erik,

     I'm not aware of any surviving dairy shippers list.   The best source may be Ruth Wiggins books as she knew a number of families along the railroad.  If anyone has information on dairy farms served by the WW&F please send me a pm.  There were two types of cans shipped to the Turner Center Creamery in Wiscasset.  The first type were owned by the farmers.  The two cans in the museum collection are that type and both are from farms that shipped milk from Alna Center.  Both cans have brass tags sweated onto the handles, stamped with the farmers names; Everett Albee and E.S. Trask. One of the cans has a brass I.D. number on the shoulder.  Farmers used I.D. numbers to track the use of their milk cans.  There are photos of the cans on page 100 of Vol. VI of Narrow Gauge in the Sheepscot Valley.  

     The other type of can was of similar style but owned by the Turner Center System and marked with their company logo.  Brass tags were applied to the shoulder of the can with TCS (intertwined) in large letters.  Underneath was the word REGISTERED.  Another brass tag was attached to the neck and marked "FILL TO THIS LINE".  These cans may have been used on the WW&F as well as the Maine Central.  Finished products of milk, cream and butter were shipped out on the MCRR and the company cans were sometimes used for this purpose.

Stewart  
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 24, 2012, 09:05:54 PM
The two cans in the museum collection are that type and both are from farms that shipped milk from Alna Center.  Both cans have brass tags sweated onto the handles, stamped with the farmers names; Everett Albee and E.S. Trask.
I might add that members of these families still live in the Alna Center area.

-John
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Allan Fisher on January 25, 2012, 01:43:16 AM
The cans I have seen had two numbers on them - the top number was the milepost of the station, i.e.Sheepscot 5, Head Tide 13, etc. , and the lower number was the farmer's number.

In talking with old timers, most of the farmers in Alna used Alna Center Station to leave and retrieve their cans. Almost every farm over 60 acres had two or three cows, and therefore shipped milk not needed to the Creamery - Based on many discussions I would estimate that there were 3 farms leaving cans at Sheepscot , and 8 farms leaving cans at Alna Center. in the teens and early twenties.
The output of each farm was probably no more than one can of milk and one smaller can of cream only every three or four days.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 28, 2012, 08:20:06 PM
Another day. More done.
West Bracing was installed and we finished the floor as much as we could.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/100_3058.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/100_3057.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/100_3061.jpg)

Finally the couplers were rivetted.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/100_3055.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/100_3056.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 04, 2012, 07:23:29 PM
Yet another fantastic day.

I worked on the parts and pieces to the south coupler. Got those ready and while there was still plenty of help. We installed it. I took photos to hopefully show what goes into one of these.

While I was getting the parts ready, Stewart and Zack worked on a rod.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3069.jpg)

Coupler assemby.
Spring with the plates I modified
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3071.jpg)

Cheek Irons (with the vertical holes) and cheek plates against the beams.
The plates that can be seen on the top of the beam are used to hold everything together. I thought I had gotten a picture of that, but my camera was cold and not acting right.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3072.jpg)

Coupler assembly ready to install
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3073.jpg)

Finished coupler
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3074.jpg)

Also we finished the floor on the south end.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3075.jpg)

Stweart and Zack did another rod
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3076.jpg)


And probably the coolest picture of the day. Jason welding on the truck frame. Stephen H. Could have had a great shot here, but mine came out good I think.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3080.jpg)

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 05, 2012, 09:00:34 AM
Mike,

     I'm glad your camera batteries held up.  Ya know ... It's good that you didn't go to the Big E show because of everything you got done last weekend.  The coupler install went well because of all the previous work on the new strap, rivets, spring plates and cheek iron straps.  It took 5 of us to set the coupler.  Mike set the spring and spring plates in place and the coupler was ready to go in.  We used two cranes with straps on the knuckle and back towards the spring.  Dave B. ran the south crane and I ran the north.  We started the coupler into the draft gear pocket and then leveled it.  Leon adjusted the angle of the coupler and Zack and Mike were under the car to guide it up in between the cheek irons.  The top cheek plates were installed and the hard part was getting the shank/spring plates into the travel space.  Zack and Mike called out for a bit of lifting or turning and with mechanical advantage the coupler went in.  The base cheek iron straps were bolted in and everything was drawn tight.  The process took about 20 minutes.

     The spring for the other coupler should be in this week so we'll be able to set the north coupler and finish the floor.  Now that we have a "system" for setting the coupler the next one should go in a little easier.

     The last thing we did was cut the belt rails and stack them on in the car.  (Since the car is framed it has an inside!)

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on February 06, 2012, 11:20:28 PM
I'll try to post a sketch in hopes of explaining why the draft gear Mike has pictured (Feb. 4th post) requires only the one coil spring, which always provides its cushioning action by compression, regardless of whether the coupler is pushed or pulled.

The sketch shows three side views of the internal members of the draft gear. Top view: no load on coupler. Middle view: Coupler in tension (pull). Bottom view: Coupler in compression (push).

The dark rectangles are end views of the spring plates that sandwich the coil spring in Mike's second and fourth Feb, 4th photos. Dimension "M" in the top view is the maximum distance the outer surfaces of the spring plates can be separated. It corresponds to the spacing between either pair of cheek irons, one pair on each side of the pocket, showing in Mike's third photo.

A PULL on the coupler causes it and the drawbar and strap to move to the right, compressing the coil spring against the spring plate marked "C." The "C" stands for constraint, because the spring plate is held stationary by its mating cheek iron. So a gap develops between the constrained spring plate and the end of the drawbar, where shown.

A PUSH on the coupler causes a reversal. Now the spring plate at the other end is the one constrained and the gap develops at its end, as shown. But again, compression of the spring is what provides the cushioning.

In Mike's third photo for Feb. 4, you can see steel bars lying on top of the draft gear timbers. In the fully assembled draft gear these plates are fastened to the bottoms of the cheek irons, and the parts of the spring plates that project beyond the strap ride on those bars; thus preventing the drawbar, strap, etc. from dropping down.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 12, 2012, 07:09:04 PM
This just in ...

     Lots of progress on car 65. Saturday's crew included Zack, Fred, Dwight, myself and (at times) Steve Z. and Jason.  Breaking with tradition we started working on the west side of the car first.   The day began with Zack and crew installing the rest of the corner brace rods.  When they were in Zack put up temporary cheater boards at the base height of the belt rail.  Then we set the rail on them to mark where the studs, diagonals and tension rods pass through.   With the marks in place we took the rail over to be cut.  The process was made easier with Steve Z. notching the rails with his chop saw.  When the stud/diagonal notches were cut we hand-cut the smaller notches for the tension rods.  The rail was then clamped in place and drilled at each verticle.  The bolts were installed at each stud and diagonal with the excess cut off and ground smooth.  The belt rail really makes the side frame solid.  The south belt rail came next but we had to install the cross rod first.  This required drilling in from each corner and hammering the rod through all the upright members to the other corner.  This was the hardest part of the job - so much so that we did not install the rod or b/r in the north end.    

     The belt rail serves two purposes, it provides side support for the studs and gives another nailing position for the sheathing.  I cut steel for the corner and door post irons and Jason heated and bent the corner irons to Portland Company specs.  The corner and post irons have to be drilled so they can be installed where the belt rails meet.

     The coupler spring did not come in so we have to wait to do the north coupler and flooring.  The plan for the work weekend is to install the exterior sheathing if it comes in this week.  Zack will set a ledger board for the sheathing base so we can nail the wood up level.  We will sheath over the entire car except one spot where the coupler goes.  The window locations will be covered and then we'll come back and cut out for the sashes.  This will allow the window frames to be built from the inside which is important since we will have to cut the door post's diagonal brace to make room for the window.  The exterior sheathing will hold the two diagonal sections in place until the window frames are done.

I hope to see some of a lot of you next weekend.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on February 14, 2012, 08:16:58 PM
I asked this elsewhere on the forum but as this thread deals with the dairy car I'll ask here also. I heard that during winter work weekend that sheathing of the car will be started. Is this correct? If so I'll bring my nail apron and my hammer.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 14, 2012, 09:24:52 PM
Hi Paul,

     As I noted in the post above - if the sheathing comes in, the plan is to nail it on this weekend.  There's no guarantee we'll have it since it was just ordered on Monday but I spoke to Zack this afternoon and he thinks it will be on hand.  The good news is that Steve Z. and Zack installed the north cross rod and belt rail today so the entire frame is ready for sheathing (except a small spot where the north coupler goes).

     See you Saturday.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jock Ellis on February 15, 2012, 11:01:39 PM
What kind of wood is used in the car? Did Portland specify any particular woods? When the house my paternal grandparents owned was built in 1900, workers cut the wood in the forest behind the house, milled it then let it air dry for a year. Was that really necessary or just the custom of the time?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 16, 2012, 04:17:05 AM
The Portland Company did list specific types of wood to be used in certain parts of the car.  The original cars had a lot of Southern Yellow Pine which was used for stringers, etc. because it is strong and resists rot.    Stress related parts such as end sills or needle beams were generally hard woods like oak.   Sheathing and flooring were softer woods such as white pine.

For car 65 we used Douglas Fir for the stringers and oak for the end sills.  Flooring is white pine.  As you have read, we used wood cut on railroad property to mill the oak and pine.  The Douglas Fir was purchased from a lumber yard.  General practice for sawyers is that wood is cut and stacked to dry for a time so it will cure and not warp.  That is why you'll see drying sheds at saw mills and lumber yards.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 16, 2012, 08:50:03 PM
Funny, I would think they would have made the floor out of a harder flooring than pine. But when it was the most abundant tree in the State, I guess they would use it.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 19, 2012, 03:53:36 PM
A few cell phone pictures taken this morning. The walls are sheathed and the roof is all done except for a few feet on the north end left open to install the coupler with the chainfall.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 19, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
east side
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 19, 2012, 03:59:34 PM
Looking south.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 19, 2012, 04:04:22 PM
Floor left open to install coupler on the north end.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 19, 2012, 07:43:12 PM
I have a few extra pictures this week. I was unable to make it last weekend so I had to take pictures of the belt rail before it was covered.

But first, one shot from underneath of the completed coupler.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3100.jpg)

Here is the belt rail.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3094.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3093.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3091.jpg)

And the sheathing crew worked quickly when the got going.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3096.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3097.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3095.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3101.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3104.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3106.jpg)

And I'm always looking for angles to try and get the big picture. This is from above coach 3.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3107.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3108.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 20, 2012, 12:19:09 PM
Monday lunch update. Freeze boards and shadow boards installed on the south end.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on February 20, 2012, 12:22:00 PM
another
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 20, 2012, 05:17:49 PM
Great photos Mike and Brendan.  It's cool having lunch while watching car 65 photos being posted to the forum.  It started a new saying ... "That's so 5 minutes ago"  ;D

Dept of Corrections -

Keith Taylor advised me that the top (wide) trim board on car 65 is a frieze board not a freeze board.  I quess I spelled it wrong because of how my fingers felt as I nailed it on.  Can't grip trim nails with gloves on ya know.

Thanks Keith

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Vincent "Lightning" LeRow on February 20, 2012, 07:50:09 PM
Quote
We need to get ladder rail measurements from car 312 at Boothbay to design car 65s side ladders and stirrups.

Why wouldn't 309 be the same as 312?  Aren't they the same series of cars?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 20, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
Not necessarily.  309 has grab irons, whereas 312 (and 65) have a ladder-type arrangement.  309 and 312 may have similar numbers, but 309 was rebuilt near the end so they may have changed things around to save money.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on February 20, 2012, 09:40:08 PM
 I may be wrong but I think they all just used the same grab irons.   The ladders are in theory stronger as they can have longer bolts that go through more anchoring wood to support weight and stress on two ?x? vertical pieces of lumber used to make the ladders.  309 may have the same thing going on but hidden inside between the inner and outer sheathing.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 21, 2012, 04:10:15 AM
There are blocks inside the walls that the grab irons and/or ladder rails bolt to.  We will install 65's brace blocks when we know the ladder mearurements.  When 309 was rebuilt around 1930 the shop crew used grab irons for the side and end ladders.  This was not typical of WW&F cars.  TCDA car 65 will be more like a regular WW&F car, built to standard Portland Company plans with rail side ladders and the end ladders made with grabs.   The rungs of the rail ladders are bolted to the rail and the rails are bolted to the blocks in the car body. 

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on February 21, 2012, 10:54:08 AM
In addition, grab irons stand off from the car body by 2-1/2" to 2-3/4", whereas the ladder rungs are straight across between the ladder rails.  The rungs will be a much simpler forging than the making of 4 bends in the proper locations to achieve a grab iron width of about 18".

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 21, 2012, 05:22:18 PM
Won't be too bad Dave once we get the proper way figured out. Probably the easiest will be leaving the rod full length and cut after bending.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 22, 2012, 08:51:23 PM
Having read another thread, leads me to ask this question. We have talked about color before. What color will the car be when completed? Standard Gauge milk cars were green and wondering if the TCDA cars were the same color, or if they were painted the Boxcar red? I found in Two Feet to Tidewater the color was BC red but don't know if that is accurate or not.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 22, 2012, 08:53:01 PM
I think we decided on Red at the board meeting this month.  Stewart was there and can probably remember better than I can.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on February 22, 2012, 10:04:08 PM
During lunch on Monday there was a brief discussion about putting links to this and the #9 thread on the website homepage so that anyone who came across the website could see the links and learn the details of these two major projects without having to know that they are on the forum and then try to find them. Don't know if that was idea was followed up on with the appropriate person(s).
Paul C.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Bolton on February 23, 2012, 05:55:18 PM
I thought that the TCDA car was yellow with with a green roof?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 23, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
The research, done by Gary Kohler and Chris McChesney for the Narrow Gauge in the Sheepscot Valley book series indicates that the car was painted boxcar red with white lettering.  Car 65 started as a red typical boxcar.  The car was rebuilt in the Wiscasset shops in 1913 and got new paint with TCDA lettering.  The body was probably red as the railroad was not running solid varnish much by that time.  Later photos show the car in a mixed consist with the car being the same dark tone as the boxcars it was coupled to.  Available information on paint, etc. that was purchased at the time show red lead as one of the few colors the railroad got. 

This is the information the Board used to decide that the car would be painted boxcar red like the other WW&F freight cars.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 24, 2012, 05:51:05 PM
Thanks for the clarification Stewart.

Looks like I missed a good replica photo opportunity.
For those who have it, Two Feet between the Rails, Vol. 2.
Page 34. Lower right. Shows the shop crew in Phillips building a boxcar. Framed and some interior boards.
Last weekend I could have taken that shot. Should have looked earlier.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on February 26, 2012, 05:54:22 PM
Here are a couple pics I took during work weekend and have posted along with a coulpe others to the NERail WW&F page. Since this is my first try at posting pictures I hope I've followed the instructions from Ed correctly. Paul Crabb
http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=198279
http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=198278
http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=198275   The signatures are on the right (from inside) of the west door opening and were put there after a discussion about the names on the original wall section of the Alna Center Statiom
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on February 26, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
Lets see if this shows in the post. Paul
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 04, 2012, 06:26:29 PM
This is Stewart at work slathering linseed oil on the doorposts.  The picture also shows the interior siding installed yesterday.

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/stewart-painting-65.JPG)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on March 05, 2012, 09:33:00 PM
A different view of the interior with the sheathing done on one side. Stewart mentioned that the boards were cut such that a full width board would be just below the belt rail and the board at the top would be the same width as the top rail of the door opening. I believe he also put linseed oil on the belt rail.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 05, 2012, 10:05:36 PM
You say you want a different angle? I made a rare Monday appearance. This is what I saw.


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3140.jpg)


Notice the Passenger truck
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3114.jpg)

Grab irons
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3119.jpg)

Roof
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3128.jpg)

Interior
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3124.jpg)

And as to James' comment about rocking like a boat, that is an understatement. Step into the car and it leans to you and abruptly stops. Glad those trucks aren't permanent. I took other photos.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on March 06, 2012, 12:46:10 PM
Temporarily shim the side bearings and it will take the rocking out when you climb in.

Tom C.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 10, 2012, 07:35:55 PM
Watch what we did today.
http://youtu.be/Bp2akTJziKI (http://youtu.be/Bp2akTJziKI)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 10, 2012, 07:55:30 PM
After the coupler installation, Stewart and I finished the floor and roof while Zack installed the West window. After that was completed, the car was taken out to allow the flipping and switching of #9s rear frame, which went to Bay one.

Now a few still shots.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3150.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3152.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3153.jpg)

Mid afternoon, after a lot of switching to get things where needed, everything was put back. So Stewart got the primer out and continued priming.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3158.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jack DiSarro on March 16, 2012, 08:54:09 AM
Thanks for posting these great pictures- photo documentaries like this can only serve to generate more enthusiasm and attract more volunteers.  You guys are amazing, building a real car faster (and far better) than I can build a model! 

Hey Stewart - is that my good (25 yr old) blue coat you're wearing to prime car 65?  I accidentally left it behind last year; maybe it found its way to the rag box.  If so, I couldn't be happier than to see it go to good use (instead of the trash where it belonged)! 

Jack from New Jersey
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 16, 2012, 12:24:08 PM
Fantastic work, guys! It will be great seeing the car during Spring Work Weekend.

Am I correct to assume that a tin roof will be applied?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 16, 2012, 02:51:44 PM
Jeff,

Yes, the car will get a tin roof applied over a coating of ice and water shield.

Jack,

No, that's not your coat it's my 1980's era N&W Pittsburgh Div. jacket.  Your coat is probably still kicking around up here somewhere unless a moose took it.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 26, 2012, 08:01:46 AM
Over the weekend -

Steve Z. applied wood filler to the cracks in the east interior wall.  The west wall was prime coated and by Sunday afternoon the north end was filled and painted.

As mentioned in another thread, Zack built the first set of doors on Saturday and we installed them on the east side.   External door hardware has been ordered and the inside hardware (bolt latches) is on hand.  The bolt latches will be installed on the left hand door with catches mounted on the header and receiver holes drilled down through the sill plates.  The steel for the sills has been ordered.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on March 26, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
My first attempt at putting some photos fro Photobucket. These show Car 65 Work on Sat 3-24
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Car65DoorConst3-24.jpg)
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Car65wDoorsWindow3-24.jpg)
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/Car65Int3-24.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 26, 2012, 06:23:28 PM
Hi Paul,

     Thanks for the photos.  Captions would be as follows -

Photo 1 - Shows Zack, Bill and I building the doors outside.

photo 2 - The completed doors hung on the car.

photo 3 - A view of the interior with primer paint on the sheathing.

We built the door frames and put on the diagonal (interior) sheathing out front.  We then took the doors back to where the car was spotted behind the shop.  We set the doors in the frame with screws then measured off and cut the exterior sheathing.  We installed the exterior sheathing on the doors so the divides would match the sheathing on the car.  Once all the sheathing was in place we installed the hinges and tested the swing of the doors.

Today - The first bolt latch was installed on the inside of the left door and more primer was put on the northeast interior wall.

Stewart   
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on March 27, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
Scenes from Monday, March 26th 2012

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(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6110/6876117380_f416a3057a_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 31, 2012, 07:30:08 PM
I didn't get all the detail shots from the finer work done over the week, but you can see the results. Stewart and Zack have been hard at work getting this car ready. It's almost there.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3161.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3162.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 02, 2012, 09:24:29 AM
I continue to be impressed with what's been accomplished. Will the car interior be white?

Jeff
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 02, 2012, 10:00:15 AM
Hi Jeff,

     Yes, the inside wall and door sheathing, rafters and roof stringers will have a gloss white top coat.   The belt rail and door posts are varnished natural.  The roof sheathing will be varnished as well.  This was done to show some of the structure of the car and not have the inside just all white.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John L Dobson on April 02, 2012, 12:13:48 PM
Were the windows an original featured of the cream car, or have they been put in for modern needs?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 02, 2012, 03:18:41 PM
Hi John,

     The WW&F's original milk car series; #65, 72 and 73 had windows.  They were built with one on each side to the right of the door.  The new car 65 is built from the original Portland Company plans with the 1913 milk car modifications made by the Wiscasset shop crew. 

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on April 02, 2012, 03:27:55 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7116/6877375488_ed0d7dd5a3_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Madore on April 03, 2012, 09:39:43 AM
When this car is completed, will it be something that the museum could actually run on the line, or will it be limited to being a display piece?   If it is "runable", is there a chance that the museum might actually do that before shipping it off to Wiscasset?

/Kevin
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 03, 2012, 11:14:31 AM
Kevin,

     The car is being built to full Portland Company standards with WW&F freight trucks so it may be used on the line.  There is a plan to have a special train next month with the car in the consist.  An announcement will be made when the date is known. 

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Madore on April 03, 2012, 01:10:40 PM
Thanks Stewart!   Is there any plan to take freight cars out for Easter, or during Work Weekend?

/Kevin
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 03, 2012, 01:24:38 PM
Kevin,

     We won't have any freight cars out this weekend due to work moving #9's frame Saturday morning.  The milk car will be outside during the Work Weekend but it's on shop trucks so it probably won't leave the yard.  The plan is to run a special photo freight next month when the  trucks and hand brake for car 65 are finished. 

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on April 18, 2012, 07:58:36 PM
 Stewart,  Will the Car # 65 have the Turner Centre Dairying Ass'n signage applied ?  Also, the wheel sets what is the difference between present and future ?   Thanks  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 18, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
Fred,

The car will be lettered for the TCDA on both sides just like the original.  Not sure how much of the lettering will be applied by the Work Weekend, depends on the weather and available volunteer time.  The car is on a set of Jackson & Sharp passenger car trucks.  The trucks are not complete so they are considered shop trucks which means the car will not leave the yard.  The car sits 2" higher on the J&S trucks than it will on the freight trucks.  The freight trucks are being built with some original WW&F parts.  New bolts will be made so the truck assembly can proceed.  The new nuts came in today so as soon as the bolts are made the final assembly will start.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on April 30, 2012, 07:52:07 PM
  Stewart, The Turner Centre Dairying Ass'n signage looks very good.  The interior of the car with the white walls and stained ceiling, along with the wall lamp, will set the stage for the informational signage inside the car. Thanks again for all the hard work.   Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on May 06, 2012, 06:41:01 AM
Stewart is putting many hours painting out the car and it really looks great. Once we get it to Wiscasset and have 26,000 car a day go by it we should really get a lot of exposure for our museum. I got the numbers of cars passing throuth Wiscasset from articles in the newspapers when the State was trying to bypass the town.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on May 06, 2012, 12:07:17 PM
Can anyone elaborate on the plans to use interior or exterior displays to publicize the role of the two-footers in Maine life and to point visitors toward BRV, SRRL, MNG, and especially the WW&F?

-John
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on May 06, 2012, 06:09:14 PM
My guess would be that most automobile traffic won't even notice it. I think it will appeal strictly to pedestrians in the area.  Having sat in that bumper to bumper "poke-a-cade" several times, I don't believe I'd be in any mood to pull off and check out some mysterious red object on the waterfront which says "Dairy" on it as part of its name. People might think it's just another ice cream stand. (hey, now there's an idea -- "Turner Centre Dairy Soft Serve").

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on May 07, 2012, 05:40:29 AM
Maybe the people at Red's Eats will cross the road while munching their lobster rolls to take a look at the small boxcar, or looking out the window of Sarah's. Any publicity is always a help.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on May 07, 2012, 05:50:45 AM
It will be quite visible to people eating at Sarah's, or people that visit the little shopping area on the pier, and for people that are waiting in line at Red's.  People waiting in traffic southbound will probably see it for a while, unless visibility is blocked by some of the huts on the pier.  Northbound, there's not much time to see it.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 08, 2012, 04:37:28 AM
I think the car will make a good display piece on the waterfront, and with all the foot traffic that's down there, I'm sure it will see lots of people. Been meaning to ask this, is there any pictures of what the Turner Centre Dairy building looked like on the inside?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on May 08, 2012, 08:22:12 PM
#65 will be sitting on track that is next to the pier. This is the land side of the pier. This puts
#65 beside the Maine Eastern (ex Maine Central) tracks. If you walk across the pier to the water side ( better seen from parking lot/ route 1 in frount of pier) you can still see the WW&F pilings for the "main line" and the pilings for the creamery spur track. Due to age of pilings they are easier to view at low tide.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 09, 2012, 06:23:44 PM
Joe,

Never seen any photos of the inside of the TCC building when it was a creamery but it would have had the big milk and butter vats (cream seperator) run by a steam boiler system.  We know they steam cleaned the cans when they were empty so there would have been a rack for that operation.   There may be photos of the other TCC buildings of that era to give us a clue what the equipment looked like.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on May 09, 2012, 10:09:30 PM
Wasn't this particular facility used for making ice cream?  I thought I read or heard that someplace.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 10, 2012, 06:22:05 AM
Yes, the Wiscasset Plant made ice cream.  There are photos of large crowds around the building when it was new and the Turner Centre people held an Ice Cream Social for the town.  There would still be the vats/seperators, etc associated with changing raw milk into other products.  I've wondered how they cooled and protected the finished products.  Mechanical refridgeration was in the very early stages in 1913 so block ice would have been brought in, maybe on the Maine Central.  Perhaps someone who knows about early 20th Century milk production will add some information.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on May 10, 2012, 08:31:58 AM
Years ago I got rid of an ice cream holder, I don't know what to call it, About 3 Ft.by 3ft. by 3 ft. tall, that had 4 square wooden tops each about 10 inches square close together around the center. The ice cream would have been in large containers under the covers. Around the outside were long thin Galvanized metal containers that probably held ice and salt. I don,t think there were any drain holes in the botton as once you took the 4 covers off the rest of the wooden top lifted off so the metal containers could be lifted out. I think the inside of the whole container was also covered with galvanized metal. I wish now I had kept it.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 10, 2012, 06:23:22 PM
Sounds like it was an interesting piece of equipment Fred. 

I've been thinking about a possible use for car 65 when it's on home tracks.  Some year, if we have the milk car for the Summer we could use it during the picnic.  It could be tied down at AC so we could sell ice cream from it.  Guests would purchase lunch at Sheepscot and then take the train to AC to get ice cream, etc.  There could be a hay ride up there as well.  This would be an additional family attraction for the railroad.  Of course the run around track would be unavailable but we could find a way to deal with it.

News - #65's trucks are about ready to go under the car.  First we have to cut the bolts on the B truck pedestals and set the bearings.  Jonathan made the keepers for the brasses this week so the journal boxes would be all set for Saturday.  The car now has an ice bin, the frame was built this week.  A tin liner and drian pipe are next.  Part of the floor has been painted with most of the south end complete.

Stewart 
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 10, 2012, 06:28:53 PM
But won't the car be on display in Wiscasset during ice cream season?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 10, 2012, 06:32:15 PM
Wayne,

That's why I said "Some year, if we have the milk car for the Summer" which means if things change, it would not be in Wiscasset that year.

Should have phrased it better I guess.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 10, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
The reason why I was asking about some photos of the insides of the facilities, is because I thought maybe a picture or two would be cool to display on the inside of the car for an actual representation on what happened to the milk, and what the plants looked like on the inside. The planned photos of what the narrow gauge looked like in Wiscasset are great, and will give people a good idea on what it looked like in the hay day, but something that actually relates the car to the creamery besides the name would be neat.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on May 10, 2012, 06:48:10 PM
Who owned the Creamery?  Are there any relatives left anywhere?  If there are, and they can be located, it's possible that they may have photos of the interior, among other things.  Has anyone checked the local historical societies for pictures?  You never know what lurks in some of those musty old places in small towns. 

Try putting an article in the local papers seeking such photos.  The right person may read it and put you onto something.  Worth a try.

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 10, 2012, 07:09:15 PM
The type of display has been considered since last year and Steve Z. has been working with members of the Turner Center Historical Society to get photos and information for the car.  A stack of photos and images (labels, etc.) has already been sent to Sheepscot.  Unfortunately there are no photos of the Wiscasset Plant but there are a number of images of the creamery in Turner.  It would be great to have some interior views of the a creamery to show the equipment.  As Joe said, it ties the railroad, the car and creamery together. 

I think Steve is looking for more things to display so if anyone has a photo or information please contact the museum.

Stewart 
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on May 10, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
Is there a Wiscasset Historical Society, and if so, has it been contacted?

What about the Wiscasset Library? Libraries sometimes have old photos among their papers.

One final thought; while at the library, see if they have any Wiscasset City Directories. These were large annual volumes which carried advertising (along with photos) of many local businesses back at the turn of the century and into the mid-1900s. Again, worth a shot.

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on May 11, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
Turner Centre Dairy's claim to fame is that they invented the "Eskimo Pie".  Maybe on special days we can sell Eskimo Pies at #65's waterfront home.

From Maine State Archives:

The Turner Centre Dairying Association was at one time the largest commerical creamery in Maine, and one of the three largest in New England. Founded in 1882, by the turn of the century the Association marketed 23% of all cream and 35% of all butter commerically produced in the State and employed 32% of all dairy factory hands in Maine. The firm had 41 branch offices in New England and Canada, with an additional processing plant in Boston. In 1917, it manufactured the first commerical ice cream in New England; and the association's founder, Edwin Leavitt Bradford, is credited with the invention of the celebrated "Eskimo Pie," although many other ice cream manufacturers around the country have made the same claim! Later in the century, control of this family business was gained by H.P. Hood & Sons.

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on May 11, 2012, 04:21:49 PM
With that information, it's possible any photos or other materials were transferred to H P Hood at the time of purchase.

Years ago, when Hood still had their home offices in Charlestown, MA, we tried to get a look at their photo collection because of our interest in their model dairy farm "Cherry Hill Farm", at Beverly, MA, my hometown.  The manager told us they had file cabinets full of pictures, but somehow he was never able to make an appointment for us to come in and look them over.  Supposedly, the last survivor of the Hood family, an elderly woman named Dorothy Hood Macafoo (sp?), controlled the assets with an iron hand. We tried a couple of more times to get to see the pictures, but in spite of a continued assurance that we would be able to, we never were.  Then Hoods moved out of Charlestown, and nothing more was ever heard.  God knows what might have been in those file cabinets.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 11, 2012, 07:35:54 PM
Except for some brake parts, the milk cars trucks were completed today.  The brasses and keepers are in and the packing and oil was finished at 3:30.  The B truck was turned in the shop, to be the south truck (for now).  Painting was completed Thursday and the trucks were test rolled in the shop tonight.  Jonathan made the brake staff and applied the sleeve that the chain wraps around.  The ratchet and wheel are next.  A couple more parts are needed so more work will be done on the brakes in the next week or two.   

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on May 11, 2012, 09:57:37 PM
I think I remember Matt Sharp saying there was another branch of the TCD in Farmington.  It was on the Maine Central side of town and the structure is still there today.  I remember driving over there to see it about 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 12, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Photo op today. The last time these should be seen without a car on them. Stewart put in a few hours this week painting them.

South Truck with the brake beam already installed. Stewart is checking the waste to see how much oil it had absorbed.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/Braketruck.jpg)

North truck getting some grease
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/Truck.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/Rebuiltfreighttrucks.jpg)


And here it is. On the new trucks.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/65onnewtrucks.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on May 13, 2012, 12:10:08 PM
Fantastic!  Only question is how did attendant open the door from the inside?  Or did the original #65 have different door locks.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on May 13, 2012, 03:19:00 PM
Yes.... I'm questioning this whole "Attendant" thing.  Maybe he was an "inmate".   ;D    Perhaps the train crew loaded the cans into the car and the stove was checked periodically as they had to stop and add cans to the car rather often.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on May 13, 2012, 04:32:13 PM
Then why the windows? I've been told they were for the attendant because the railroad insisted on charging for the attendant to ride in a coach.
 
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 13, 2012, 05:47:11 PM
The information about a milk car attendant came from the memories of Ruby Wiggin.  She grew up near Albion and saw the milk cars in use.  I have wondered how long the "attendant in the car" practice went on ... and yes, how did the attendant open the door from the inside? We may never know.  The windows were supposedly for light and for the attendant to see what station he was nearing. 

A couple of reasons that regular boxcars do not have windows are (A) it would be harder to secure the products and (B) products are often packed into a boxcar up to the roof and could shift and break the windows and fall out.  The milk car's windows were not a problem because the products didn't stay in the cars unattended overnight and the cans were not stacked up where they would shift and break the windows.

Mikes 4th photo shows the east side of the car still in primer.  The west side is done except for the second coat of white on the letters.  The east side (shown in the photo) is now about half painted in the red top coat.  The south end has been done as well.

Stewart   
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on May 13, 2012, 07:33:41 PM
Any idea at this point when the car will be moved to Wiscasset?

Hoping for the 26th, When KD and I expect back.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on May 13, 2012, 07:45:00 PM
It won't be in May.  It needs a tin roof still.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 13, 2012, 07:49:52 PM
Sorry for the fuzzy photos. It was my turn to borrow Candid Courtneys camera. Hers is an Ipod device that you need a Engineering degree to just take the picture.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 13, 2012, 08:20:44 PM
Hey Mike,

You did fine with the pics.  I should mention, Courtney didn't take as many photos Saturday because she worked hard on the milk car paint crew a good part of the day.  It all started when she walked over to the car and said "you missed a spot"  My reply was to hand her a paint brush.  Well she started right in.  We worked til about 4.  She may have taken a sample or two of boxcar red home on her clothes.

Stewart  Tom Sawyer
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 14, 2012, 07:36:41 PM
A sample? I think she has enough paint on her clothes now she could get the paint code scanned off of them. She had a great time and am glad she found something to do that was helpfull.

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on May 20, 2012, 12:08:39 PM
 Stewart,  The pictures of #65 on Saturday really shows how close to being finished you and your team members are, however, it really takes a great deal of time, money and hard work. Look forward to the completion of the metal roof and brakes.   Thanks again, for all your hard work and timely updates.   Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 20, 2012, 05:07:50 PM
Fred,

You can thank team Fox for the pictures of #65.  The exterior is done except for the roof.  Not sure how many hours are in the project so far but it's probably over 1,000.  Finishing the brakes and having the roof installed will be the next big parts of the job.

Stewart 
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Deere on May 20, 2012, 07:12:14 PM
As the Reefer 65 project comes to completion, the Great Falls Model Railroad Club Train Time Video Team is interested in filming this historic event. We visualize the Turner Center Dairy car in along with a string of other cars being escorted by number 10. Maybe some interviews…. And even some pictures that you folks have taken during the building process. I have seen some remarkable ones in this forum. Also would like video of the car being transferred down to Wiscasset and with any ceremony done there.
Please keep us in mind.
Ed Deere
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on May 21, 2012, 07:57:01 PM
We have been planning a small-scale operating event involvng the reefer just prior to its departure to Wiscasset.  The scope of this event will be simple- not really targeting the general public though not exclusive- and probably short notice.  We had hoped it would be this weekend but this is now unlikely as the car is not yet roofed.  We hope the car is in Wiscasset by Father's Day; as such we hope the photo event will be one of the prior two weekends.  Sorry for the vague-ness, but we hope to settle this question soon and let everyone know.

Jason
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 23, 2012, 06:00:00 PM
Milk car work has been a bit quiet this week but a few things were done.  The floor now has a complete prime coat of gray base with the last 1/3 done Monday.  Top coat (anti-slip) paint may be done next week. The outside sheathing has had top coat touch-up work on 3 sides.  This was done Monday afternoon and the weather turned humid with periodic rain on Tuesday.  Because of the dampness, the paint has not set up.  It was humid with more rain today and the forecast has high humidity with a chance of showers through Saturday.  I mention this because as of this evening, there are a number of wet/tacky spots on and in the car.  I won't be at the railroad this weekend so if any of you are going to be in the shop please ask visitors to keep back from the car.  There is a sign at the south end.  Also, with the chance of rain, the car should not be pushed outside this weekend.    

Thanks,  Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 29, 2012, 05:44:00 PM
Today, car 65's floor got the final/top coat of paint so the basic interior is complete.  Display items will be next, with some probably being installed at Wiscasset.  There is a plan to put the ice and water shield covering on the roof this weekend.

A couple of weeks ago there was a visitor with the NMRA Charter group that came over to look at and photograph Car 65.   She said that she has been interested in Maines dairy industry for years and has studied some of the operations.  She added that she has collected quite a few quart milk bottles.  She said that she knew of raw milk being shipped by rail to the Turner Centre plant in Wiscasset and wondered if any finished products were shipped back on the TCDA cars when they returned the empty cans.  I told her that I was not aware of any products being shipped North on the cars but that it was possible.  I mentioned that products like butter may have been shipped to some of the larger stores along the line.  The Erskine General store at Whitefield, Hilton Store at N. Whitefield and the York General Store at Windsor would have been places that butter or whole milk may have been shipped. 

There are no way bills, etc. to show finished dairy products being shipped on the TCDA cars but it makes sense.  It also raises questions - if products such as butter were shipped, were the car(s) iced in Wiscasset for the trip north?  Was there a special arrangement with the TCDA or the stores to handle finished products in the milk cars that would normally have just empty cans?  Should CAR 65 have a couple of quart milk bottles included in it's display?

If anyone has information on finished dairy products being shipped on the TCDA cars please let me know.

Thanks,  Stewart     
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on May 29, 2012, 06:32:49 PM
If you ever need to display "full" milk bottles, here's a trick I learned.

You wash out a milk bottle and after it dries, you fill it up to the bottom of the neck with ordinary white flour. Pour it in a little at a time and tamp it down with a round dowel as you go.  Pack it nice and tight. When you have reached the neck, stop.  Then, to make it look like the cream has risen to the top of the milk, you fill the bottle the rest of the way with yellow cake mix, tamping it down as you go until it's all the way to the bottom of the rim.  Then put in a cardboard bottle cap (available as reproductions), and you're done.  It has the look and weight of a real quart of milk. It won't spoil, turn colors or anything.

If you need to create "chocolate milk", just substitute packaged brownie mix for the white flour. 

I learned this from a fellow who had a restored DIVCO milk delivery truck on display at a car show. He had several wooden milk crates in the back with incredibly realistic bottles of milk. So I asked him how he did it, because it looked so much better than the tiny white foam plastic pellets you usually see. He said his wife actually came up with the idea. I went home, tried it, and it looks terrific. Try it.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on May 30, 2012, 06:38:38 AM
Fantastic!  Only question is how did attendant open the door from the inside?  Or did the original #65 have different door locks.
Here's a wild guess - the window could be opened and the attendant could reach the latch?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 30, 2012, 07:41:08 AM
We don't know if the windows on cars 65, 72 and 73 opened since all the photos show the windows closed.  If the windows did open they would have been hinged to open inward since the exterior frame covered part of the sash.  The windows on new #65 do not open because Zack set a slight incline in the sills to drain water away from the sash.  The sash is cut to match the sill and held in with 1/2" moulding.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Erik Z. Missal on June 01, 2012, 05:37:47 AM
Hi,
I was at an auction on Wednesday and bought a TCS 8 quart milk can . It is marked TURNER CENTRE REGISTERED. It also has 2 brass tags, one with fill to here info and one with the TCS logo.  It is in pretty good condition except for a few holes in the bottom. I will bring it over when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 01, 2012, 12:10:06 PM
Hi Erik,

Sounds like a good find, I look forward to seeing it.  The TCS cans may have been used to ship raw milk from the company farm to the creamery or to ship processed whole milk out to schools or stores.

This week -  Trim painting was done on the doors.  The top and edges of the sheathing were painted with top coat.  Also, the door hold backs were installed on both sides of the car so the doors may be secured in the open position when the car is moved.

On Wednesday a group of college students on a bicycle tour from Portland to Rockland stopped by the museum.  Steve Z. gave them a complete tour including the inside of the water tank building.  They were thrilled to see everything and stayed for about 2 hours.  One of the fellows told us that his Maine DOT bicycle tour map showed the museum on Cross Road but didn't have the name or any other information.  

Stewart  
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 02, 2012, 02:55:03 PM
June 9th, is the planned/proposed "closed" photo session with car 65. Any one know the time the freight will leave at? By closed, I mean unadvertised. Ed Deere, I don't know if you have gotten my messages about the freight, but you are more than welcome to come, and hope you, or some of your other video-ographers can attend.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 02, 2012, 05:08:13 PM
Joe, I'm your engineer for the day and was asked by Jason that we have the engine ready by 8 AM.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on June 02, 2012, 08:09:54 PM
We are indeed planning a photographic special involving the dairy car next Saturday morning, June 9.  Most activity will probably be at Alna Center, focused on recreating operations involving the milk car on a daily basis on the original railroad.   Regular trains start at 10AM, which will also be steam, for BIW day.  The steam special in the morning is conditional on weather, ice and water sheild installation, and all hands on deck to move the car.

The car will be loaded Saturday afternoon and moved Sunday morning to Wiscasset, if our plan comes to fruition.  

I'll be in touch with our various train crew members seperately with operating instructions per the usual routine.  

Hope everyone who is interested can make it!

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 03, 2012, 05:17:29 PM
Zack is going to call the roof contractor to see if he can work on the car this week.  If the tin man can get to OZ Sheepscot, car 65 will have a finished roof by Saturday.  If not, the car will be run Saturday with the ice and water shield on top.  The car will be transported to Wiscasset Sunday morning and the tin roof installed down there at a later date.  The interior is complete with ice bin, lamp and milk cans.  This weekend will be the only time interior photos can be taken before the glass wall is installed to protect the exhibit.  When the car goes to Wiscasset it will be kept locked until the glass wall is built in one end and photos and maps put up in the rest of the car.  As mentioned in a previous post, the town wants to have a dedication/grand opening ceremony on July 4th so we will have a month to get things ready.  After July 4th the car will be open to the public every day.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 04, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
Car 65 had the ice and water shield underlayment applied to the roof today.  Zack advised that the tin contractor will not have all the metal for the job this week so the car will run Saturday with just the black coating on top. 

Visitors from Oklahoma stopped by the museum today.  They wanted to learn about the Maine two-footers and chose Sheepscot to get their information.  They toured the shop and were impressed with #10.  They took photos of the locomotive and the grandson posed in the cab in one view.  The railcar was next and there was quite a discussion of how railroads adapted autos and trucks for track maint, etc.  They also examined the milk car and commented "That is a beautiful car" while taking a number of shots of the interior and exterior. 

Later, a bit more sorting was done on stock for "Freds" bolt bins.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 05, 2012, 07:51:06 AM
I have to work on Sunday and won't be there to witness the move through downtown Wiscasset.
It would be GREAT if a couple of people could get shots of the car moving to the waterfront...
Especially passing in front of the Rundlett Building, if that ends up as part of the route...
Passing by Red's Eats would be nice too...crossing the Maine Central Eastern...

Just a thought...

Stephen
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 05, 2012, 04:26:28 PM
What time will the train leave on Saturday with the car?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Deere on June 05, 2012, 06:30:23 PM
Hi Joe & to All

   Just got off the phone with our chief Videographer (Paul) and he is trying to put together a video crew for Saturday. Our plan is to be there by 8am. Let’s hope for good weather. 
Ed Deere
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 05, 2012, 06:48:10 PM
Hi Joe,

The plan is to run two extra trains Saturday morning.  First, engine 52 will work a passenger extra North taking photographers to AC around 8 o'clock.  X52 will then run clear of the the N. AC yard limit out of view from the station.  Engine 10 will follow, taking the mixed from Sheepscot to AC.  As I understand it, Jason will be Conductor of X10 and Stephen Hussar will direct the scenes at AC.  This is the plan that was discussed last weekend - Jason may advise further details, times or changes.

Stewart  
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 07, 2012, 06:19:03 AM
The weather forecast for Saturday and Sunday is mostly sunny with highs of 74 so the special milk car train should be able to run Saturday morning.   The south end of the spur may have to be raised to facilitate loading #65 onto the trailer. The cars on the spur 320, 118, etc will have to be switched to the lower yard so 65 can be moved to the end of the spur.  Loading #65 should happen Saturday afternoon with transport to Wiscasset early Sunday morning.  Not sure when the "Wiscasset extra" will leave Sheepscot on Sunday but it will be fairly early to take advantage of less traffic on Rt 1.  Bud Davis will probably advise the crew Saturday afternoon.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on June 07, 2012, 08:44:28 AM
Stewart;
There are some people "from away" who are planning to get up very early Sunday morning and drive to Maine. I'm sure they would appreciate your posting the departure time Saturday evening after Bud tells the crew. As I understand it, 6:00 AM is the current scheduled departure time.
KD
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 07, 2012, 12:41:16 PM
Sure thing Dave.  You are correct that the plan is to head south around 6 Sunday morning.  Of course the time hinges on everything going well with loading the car on Saturday so I will advise Saturday evening. Too bad the "away team" can't come up Saturday for the special train.

Car 65 got a final bearing repack and oiling today.  There may be a test move with the car on Friday. 

Note to Steve S. - Don't worry about the journals on car 65 ... it's still under warrenty  ;D

Stewart 
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on June 07, 2012, 01:33:50 PM
Stewart,

Are the brakes and cooling system still under warranty, too?

Dave
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 07, 2012, 03:53:42 PM
Dave,

The brakes are not finished so no warrenty.  The ice bin cooling system is guaranteed not to leak for the first 30 minutes or first 30 track feet (not including frog), which ever comes first.   
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on June 07, 2012, 07:11:20 PM
Hello,

Just spoke with Bud this afternoon.  He'd like to begin at "daybreak" on Sunday-- I think on Saturday we'll try to convince him that this phrase means 5:30.  Figure this is a decent compromise since Bud backed up "daybreak" with 5AM.  As planned, the car will be loaded and moved to Wiscasset Saturday afternoon- hopefully with a stop at the transfer station to weigh it.  We are specifically avoiding Rt 1 until Sunday AM- so Saturdays move will terminate at the Wiscasset police department.  This will provide a good jump for Sunday AM. 

Stewart's outline of Saturday morning's special trains are accurate- as projected. 

Bud is requesting a respectable turnout for the early AM crew-- everyone hoping to make it please let us know!

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hansel Gordon on June 08, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
A runby at alna center is cool, but can you guys do a runby climbing the ladder? (I think #10 would put on a good show tackling the ladder)
DowneastRails has also planned to be at this event!
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 08, 2012, 04:29:12 PM
There will be more than just the one runby tomorrow right?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 08, 2012, 06:39:47 PM
Hi Hansel and Joe,

Runbys will be determined by available time, crew, and a number of other things.  Jason will be the conductor of the mixed train that has car 65 in the consist.  Stephen Hussar will co-ordinate scenes so everyone will hear from Jason and Stephen Hussar how many runbys and scenes we'll have and where they will be staged.  The mixed will probably be out for over an hour before we have to get back to start the regular schedule.  Saturday is also Bath Iron Works Day with free train rides for BIW employees starting at 10 so it should be a busy day.

Today's news -

Fred and Steve Z. went to Wiscasset this morning to work on the pier railing that will be along side #65.  New posts were installed and the track was moved back from the edge of the pier a little bit.  Later, car 65 was taken out on the mainline for testing through turnouts and grade crossings.  The car performed well with one slightly warm bearing.  After lunch Steve and Fred did some switching and took sections of panel track over to the end of the spur to be used for loading/unloading the car.    Josh Recave worked on rewiring all the lights in the original part of bay 1.  The old wiring was removed and new feeds installed.  There wil be a switch for bay 1 by the east door (already existing) and a new switch next to the door that leads into bay 2.      

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 09, 2012, 05:27:49 PM
A couple videos of the reefer running up the ladder http://youtu.be/_CxFbKYXOhA this was shot from the weeds http://youtu.be/WKzDQaxt0qA
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 09, 2012, 05:51:23 PM
The question has been asked - how many hours went into the car?

I added up all the log entries where Car 65 was mentioned.  So this figure includes anything else that the worker did.

The hours are 1064.  So probably the more accurate number is about 1000 if you subtract other projects mentioned in the entries.

6/10/12 edit: I should further clarify that those hours are prior to May 29th, which is when I took home the book to enter all the hours.  So the hours from the 29th on to the 4th of July have yet to be accounted for.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 09, 2012, 06:35:56 PM
Thanks for the video links Brendan.   Nice to see what the train looked like from trackside. The mixed with the milk car sure looked good.  

James, thanks much for the work numbers for #65 so far.  Not bad.  There will be more time on the project with the move, exhibits, and work done in Wiscasset to be ready for the July 4th ribbon cutting ceremony.

We were very lucky with the weather considering it has rained 13 of the last 15 days with some areas getting over 8".  Today was sunny and breezy with low humidity.  Picture perfect for the special.  BIW day brought nearly 200 passengers, not including the photographers who rode the extra to AC this morning.  There were about 20.  It was nice to see a number of folks who normally just show up for the work weekends.  

Lookin' forward to seeing more video and stills of the special!

Stewart

    
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 09, 2012, 07:13:59 PM
Here is a video from the field. Shaky but you get the idea.
http://youtu.be/3f5wzbh279I (http://youtu.be/3f5wzbh279I)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hansel Gordon on June 09, 2012, 07:27:11 PM
Silly me decided to be a foamer today and chose a cab ride over runbys! LOL! (and to make me even happier, my film didn't come out for the 2nd ladder runby)
HOWEVER, I got a cab ride!!!
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CHOhleJu0M&feature=plcp
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJecSUY8m8g&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 09, 2012, 07:40:58 PM
How about a few Photos from my new favorite location.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3500A.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3501A.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3502.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3503.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 10, 2012, 05:54:29 PM
"You are called for an early run to Wiscasset to set out the milk car at the Turner Centre Creamery pier"  Those words have not been spoken around the railroad in many decades but were heard by museum volunteers this weekend.  The setting out of Car 65 started with most of the  crew assembling at the pier at 5:30am.  Bud Davis had the car delivered shortly and after some maneuvering of his trailer had the car lined up with the section of track installed by Dana and crew during the work weekend.  The crew went right to work setting up blocking and the panel track from the trailer.  Brendan made this easier by bringing the ties and tools right to the pier in his pickup.  Within an hour Car 65 was on it's new home rails.  We trigged the car and walked up onto the pier to see how much we needed to move the car to line up the doors with the space in the railing.  We were surprised to see that the car was perfectly placed.  Most of the crew then entered the car to check the level of interior light.  We found the daylight coming in from the door and windows to be sufficient for displays.  It was strange to see the ice bin in the north end of the car.  We then put skates under the south wheels and picked up the panel tracks and tools.   The car wasn't there for 15 minutes before Steve Z. gave the first tour.    

The Wiscasset switch crew included Jason, Brendan, Bill F., J.B., Steve Z., Fred, Stewart and Marcel.  Special thanks to Bud and Frankie Davis for hauling the car to Wiscasset and Marcel for taking photos of the move and unloading process.

Stewart

p.s. The car will remained locked until the ribbon cutting ceremony on July 4th.  In the mean time, a number of finishing touches will be done.  These include installing displays and a glass partition in the ice bin end.  Also, the contractor will install the tin roof.

p.p.s  Nice photos of the mixed train from the field Mike!!
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on June 10, 2012, 06:44:30 PM
Now for a couple of photos of a Maine Eastern FL-9, our AA Truck and #65 side by side.  Post Card!
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 10, 2012, 07:10:32 PM
Glad it went well Stewart. I awoke at 3:30 and thought for a second about coming, but had way to much planned for today.

We were carefull in our planning yesterday to try and replicate what would need to be done in Wiscasset. All tools and cribbing used for loading the car were loaded onto the trailer and Brendans truck.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 10, 2012, 07:46:10 PM
Taking the car off at the pier went easier than putting the car on. The parking lot at the pier is level or slopes down to the display track making less of an angle for the loading ramp. We actually ran out of gravity assist half way down the ramp and Jason had to nudge the car along with a digging bar.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Madore on June 11, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
Folks,

Here are a couple of shots from Saturday.  

The photo freight climbing The Ladder http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=400298&nseq=1 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=400298&nseq=1)

Stewart doing his "milk man" act at Alna Center http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=400296&nseq=2 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=400296&nseq=2)

Jason looking mighty concerned as the lead truck starts up the incline http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=400350&nseq=0 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=400350&nseq=0)

I will have a few more within a day or two.  The folks at RailPictures are very picky, especially with high-sun shots like the last one, so I am trying to make sure there are no deep deep shadows.  So far, so good.  As I write this, that shot of Stewart is one of the top shots of the day on the site!

/Kevin
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on June 11, 2012, 11:48:17 PM
Will #65 make a comback again next year to do this event all over again or was this a one time only event to never be repeated?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 12, 2012, 06:49:06 AM
Hi Matthew,

Car 65 coming back to Sheepscot depends on a number of things including an available truck and trailer.  We have discussed bringing the car back in the Fall to install the brakes, roof walk and other things that are better done in the shop.  If it comes back, it would be available for another mixed train.  I'd like to see the same consist we ran last Saturday pulled by engine 9 next year.

Stewart   
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - at Wiscasset
Post by: Allan Fisher on June 12, 2012, 03:18:42 PM
The tin roof has now been installed on the car. There is not much of a preview of the car coming from either north or south on Route 1 because the car is setting about 120 feet east of Route 1, but because vehicles are slowing for crossing the Maine Eastern track, there is a good view close up. And those standing in line at Red's Eats. or eating in a window seat at Sarah's have excellent views.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 12, 2012, 06:09:54 PM
Here it is loaded and ready for departure. Candid Courtney photo.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/100_3587.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Madore on June 13, 2012, 10:07:14 AM
Unfortunately, neither Stephen nor I were able to make the oh-dark-thirty operation in Wiscasset on Sunday.   Stephen had a TV program to shoot and I had a commit to tow gliders for the CAP.

My last shot of the reefer was when she was headed off the property:http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=400477&nseq=0 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=400477&nseq=0)

I did get a chance to visit the display location as I was leaving for home on Saturday.   The display track is located on the west side of the pier, with buildings that would preclude a clean shot in the morning.   The car would probably best be photographed in the late afternoon after 3PM, and before the shadows creep over it.   I do hope that all who see it realize the passion, energy, time and money that went into it and that there are no problems with graffiti and the like.   It's a really sweet piece that says alot about the museum and the people who built it.

/Kevin
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 14, 2012, 08:06:24 AM
Here are 4 photos provided to me by Steve Smith (posted with permission.)

(http://www.spongeawareness.com/WW+F_Photos/TCDA2012_01.jpg)

(http://www.spongeawareness.com/WW+F_Photos/TCDA2012_02.jpg)

(http://www.spongeawareness.com/WW+F_Photos/TCDA2012_03.jpg)

(http://www.spongeawareness.com/WW+F_Photos/TCDA2012_04.jpg)


And this is the one taken by Cindy and posted on Facebook:
(http://www.spongeawareness.com/WW+F_Photos/TCDA2012_05.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 14, 2012, 01:53:19 PM
Thanks for posting the photos Ed.  They were taken Monday when Jason suggested we go to the pier for lunch at Spragues.  Jason, Steve Z., Steve S., Keith and I went.   The photos show the car positioned along the shore side of the pier.  You can see the standard broad gauge railroad in some of the shots, it is along the service road that the car is next to.  Cindy's view is what you see from the street as you come down the hill on Rt 1.  The car can be seen when you get past the railroad crossing relay cabinet.  

The photos are already out dated because the tin roof was installed the following day.  Today the ice bin was put back in place and the drain pipe installed.  Ice tongs hang above the bin and 3 milk cans sit next to it.  Some touch up work was done on the exterior paint where solder had splashed during the roof job.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 15, 2012, 10:21:43 AM
Finally having a few minutes to go through some images from last weekend.
Hat's off to everyone who worked so tirelessly to make this a reality!

Stephen

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8156/7189502027_cce4566282_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7189716131_e678e33553_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7189716397_780ff68550_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7223/7189716283_eb285ecc89_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on June 15, 2012, 11:27:52 AM
It's like watching the child you raised leave home to live on his/her own. You're happy and sad at the same time.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 16, 2012, 07:11:10 PM
Drove downtown this morning. Luckily the sun was out for a few minutes.

Looking from the Route 1 bridge, heading south
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3613.jpg)

From the Wharf
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3615.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3616.jpg)

And from Reds Eats

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3618.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 16, 2012, 07:20:36 PM
Will the car eventually have a roof walk and vertical brake shaft and wheel? Or did the original not have such?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 16, 2012, 07:21:59 PM
It will eventually, but not until it returns to Sheepscot for the winter.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on June 17, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
 Stewart,   The metal roof, would the orginal car had such a roof ?   The roof really makes the car look finished.   Thanks  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on June 17, 2012, 03:27:46 PM
It would be really great to take either the A or AA truck downtown, open the road side door and be handling cream cans as the Maine Eastern train comes through town.  Some great photos and/or video could be generated.  Think about it.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 17, 2012, 08:41:44 PM
Those are really nice photos, Mike. They put the car into context in Wiscasset. Now, if someone could sneak down there late at night and whack down that tree in the last view.....
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 22, 2012, 06:25:30 PM
Hi Fred,

Sorry for the delayed response, I was off the air for a week.  The original TCDA cars; 65, 72 and 73 had tin roofs.  The tin was usually painted the same boxcar red color as the car body.  The milk car's new roof does look good although it is not quite complete.  The car will eventually have roof grabs, a brakeman's platform and roof walk.  These will be installed when the car comes back to Sheepscot.

Stewart   
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 24, 2012, 07:30:12 PM
Saturday, Jason, Steve Z. and I had another planning meeting for the displays.  There will be a number of history panels with information, photos and maps.  Included will be panels on the history of Wiscasset with a time line.  Information on the original WW&F and museum. History of the Turner Centre Creamery.  Information about the milk car with specific details on the original and replica car 65. Most of the text has been written, some taken from Ruby Wiggin's Book Big Dreams and Little Wheels

Example;  
Beginning about 1911 and extending over a period of years the Turner Centre Creamery of Auburn maintained a plant at Wiscasset.  At first, milk and cream was received at the Albion depot. A few years later a platform was built along the track that once went to Chalmer's Grist Mill.  About the same time a small house was built at the end of the platform where the attendants "Kin" Thurston and Verne Sterns could keep warm in Winter and cool in Summer. One week Verne worked at the platform receiving milk brought in by the farmers while "Kin" accompanied the milk collected the day before to Wiscasset. The next week they worked opposite and "Kin" stayed in Albion while Verne went to Wiscasset.  Milk was also picked up at Johnson's Crossing as well as other points along the line.  Both men worked for the Turner Centre Company.
                                      __________________________________________________________________

The paragraph I have not completed is the information about the agreement between the TCDA and WW&F.  A search through waybills from that era shows no listing of milk or dairy products carried.  The little information we have points to the railroad being paid each month to have the milk cars in the consist regardless of how many milk stops were made or how many cans were collected.  The question is - does anyone have further info on the TCDA - WW&F payment system?  If so please back channel me asap.

Another thing that came from the meeting is an idea to promote the museum's web site.  I'd like to see a QR code on some of our panels.  The code would allow visitors to scan the box with their iphone, smartphone, etc which would take their phone to the museum's web page.  Ed and/or James - could you help with this?  I think it would be good for the museum to have at least one QR code.  It could also be used at Sheepscot.  John M. suggested we have one under a hinged shingle on some of the buildings.  That way it wouldn't show up in pictures but visitors could get info on the museum if no one is around - just like people in the dairy car.  It's not hard to get a new QR code but I don't know if there is a cost involved.  If anyone has info please let us know.  Once we have some numbers the BoD can decide if we should proceed with the idea.

Stewart

  
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on June 24, 2012, 08:54:58 PM
I must say, that this thread has been a fantastic record of the construction of the reefer. It really looks fantastic down there on the waterfront!

Stewart, the displays sound great. To answer your question on the QR Codes- since they are just a binary representation of text, they are unique to the given task/URL. By using a QR code generator (there are a few on the internet), it will output a downloadable image, that simply can be used in whatever context you want. I don't believe that there's any need to register anything, and there is thus, also no cost. My computer isn't currently cooperating, so I can't get the download to work. But I would do a search for QR Code Generator, and assuming the downloaded output is indeed an image file of the QR code, you could just drop it in with the information being put inside the reefer already. The whole process seems pretty simple from what I can tell, and I think it makes your idea to put codes up around the museum for "off hours" visitors, an excellent one.

 In effort of full disclosure, I have almost no experience with actually using them, as my phone is not that "smart" (ha!). But I've read a little about them, and have a friend who answered many of the same questions for me awhile ago. But I hope this helps out some.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 25, 2012, 06:41:51 AM
It's a start, but the museum's new brochures, which are being designed now,
will have a QR code located on the front page. Seems natural that some will be available
at the display site...

Stephen
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 25, 2012, 07:02:52 AM
Thanks Stephen.  Sounds like the museum already has a QR code in the works.  It will be handy, I've seen more visitors with iPhones, droids or other smart phones/tablets this year.  As many people are taking photos with their phone as with cameras.  Cindy's droid phone came with the camera and Optical Reader App which she uses all the time.  I may be stuck in the 1930's but my Mrs. isn't!

Stewart   
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on June 25, 2012, 08:59:08 AM
So it sounds like the Turner Centre folks just purchased a place or spot in the train?  This would make some sence since they already owned or leased thier own cars.  They just paid the railroad for being part of the train and providing the service of moving the cars.  No waybill would be needed as they were using thier own equipment.  Perhaps this type of arangement was better for them and is why they had thier own private cars in the fisrt place?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 26, 2012, 04:10:26 PM
Today -

The rest of the Car 65 history was completed.  Steve Z. made frames for the display panels out of sections of original exterior sheathing from boxcar 309.  Steve and Jason ran a recon mission to Wiscasset for final measurements for the glass wall inside the milk car.  The wall will be pre-fabed at Sheepscot and the parts taken to Wiscasset.  The wall will be built to allow (1) full viewing of the ice bin end by the public (2) access to the display area by easy removal of the glass (3) modular parts for future removal of the wall if necessary.  A few more items will be placed in the display before the wall goes up.  The artifacts include a Turner Centre one quart milk bottle and an old tin lunch pail.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 28, 2012, 12:46:18 PM
Is the ice trough in the car yet? Regarding the lunch bucket- is that the one you found at Elmer's?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 28, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
The ice bin was soldered by our roofing contractor, Andrew and the bin and drain installed a couple of weeks ago.  This morning, Steve Z. and I went to Wiscasset Glass and picked up the glass part of the display partition.  Steve had made all the wooden parts of the partition and dropped them off in car 65 Weds so everything was ready to install the wall.  A Turner Centre quart milk bottle and old tin lunch pail were added to the display and the wall built in front of it.  Thanks to Steve's pre-planning the partition went up in about half an hour.   The cost was kept down as well - most of the lumber was from surplus boards found in the shop building.  The glass was cleaned and we stepped back for a look.  The partition looks nice, the bottom 22" is 3/4" tongue and groove pine with a sill on top to hold the glass.

The next step is to make the display panels, mount them in the frames and install them in the car.  

Stewart

p.s. Stephen H. has added two milk car photos to the slide show on the home page.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 29, 2012, 06:11:10 AM
This week  on car 65;

Now that the partition is done - Jason, Bill R., Steve Z., Marcel, Stephen H. and James have been working on the the display panels for the interior.  Steve varnished the 10 plaque frames (made from old sheathing from boxcar 309) and picked up the hardware for mounting the panels.  Assembly and installation of the panels should happen in the next couple of days.

Steve has asked me to put out a request for members to photograph the ribbon cutting ceremony on the pier Weds afternoon.  The dedication is at 5pm.  It would be nice to have a few photos of the crowd as well as images of WW&F Railway and town officials gathered at #65's door.  Interior photos of the finished displays should be taken as well.  If anyone has questions please contact Steve at the railroad's number this weekend.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 29, 2012, 06:33:25 PM
I just may make the dedication. Camera in hand.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 29, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
I was planning on being there on Wednesday...

Stephen
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on June 29, 2012, 08:22:13 PM
With Mike, Stephen, and others there, I expect lots of pictures  ;D

-Your friendly local newsletter editor.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 29, 2012, 08:39:00 PM
One step closer -

The red ribbon was picked up today, so we can have a nice visual when the car is dedicated. Glad our news team of Stephen and Mike will be there for the ceremony.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on June 29, 2012, 09:04:58 PM
Stewart,

Isn't a red ribbon going to blend in with the car?   ::)
 
Any press releases being sent out to local media (Wiscasset Newspaper, Lincoln County News, etc. and TV stations) to alert them of the event? 

- Bill
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 30, 2012, 05:05:48 PM
Hi Bill,

You may be right ... a white ribbon would look better, especially in a B&W photograph.  Not sure about a press release since John R. handles that.  I know that there are many things happening along the waterfront including boat races, music, an antique car show and fireworks.  The Wiscasset Newspaper, Lincoln County News and Kenebec Journal will have reporters in the area so they would probably be on hand for the dedication.  The town manager has announced the car's dedication too.  Today Jason got all the display plaque panels made and a group of us framed them.  Ed L. worked on printing out all the photographs for the collage panel and Steve Z. set the Portland Company boxcar plans in a large frame.  He also built the ramp that attaches to the pier, leading to #65's door. We'll take that to Wiscasset when we install the display.

I'd like to take a monent to say that you did a beautiful job with the graphics and arrangement of the panels.  They look great.  We will install them on Monday or Tuesday.

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on June 30, 2012, 07:59:49 PM
Thanks Stewart.  The credit for the displays should go to Jason, who managed organization of the displays, and Marcel, Ed L., Steve Z. and others (including yourself) who have put in a lot of effort putting together the displays for the car.  I was just fortunate to have some down time from work this past week to lay out the pages Jason requested.

Wish I could be in Wiscasset Wednesday -- sounds like it will be a lot of fun and a good day for the museum.

- Bill

P.S.  Please do get some photos for your friendly newsletter editor.  I'd like to see how things turn out.  And I suspect the red ribbon will work out just fine.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 30, 2012, 08:24:59 PM
Stephen and I talked briefly today about photographing the event. I am going to be the "man on the street", trying to get various angles of the ceremony and hopefully the crowd, while Stephen stays closer to the action.

Also, reports are people are already finding the museum just by seeing the car. Unfortunately showing up on a non operating day.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 30, 2012, 08:58:19 PM
Thanks for the update Mike, sounds like a good arrangement.   I spoke to Hansel today and he may be there to video the dedication.  If so we'll have a video record of Steve Zuppa and Wiscasset town manager Laurie (or whom ever is going to speak for the town) address the crowd at the ceremony.  Hansel will probably put the video on youtube and post a link on the forum so those who could not attend may see the proceedings.

Stewart  

p.s. Thanks for the comment Bill but I didn't do much with the plaque displays.  I told everyone today that the display I worked on is all done. Ya just throw some stuff in the corner and put a glass wall in front of it ... all set!  ;D
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Craig "Red" Heun on July 01, 2012, 06:48:09 PM
Passed the car last weekend while going North on 1.
Looks great, you guys did a really nice job!
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 01, 2012, 07:37:20 PM
Perhaps a schedule of museum operating days / times should be posted next to the car to keep visitors from making a trip to Sheepscot for nothing if the property is closed. 

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hansel Gordon on July 02, 2012, 05:36:54 PM
Well, it doesn't look like I will make it.. Hopefully some other YouTubers are there to film!
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 02, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
Today -

Steve Z. and I went to Wiscasset this morning and installed the ramp from the pier to the car.  It was a bit tricky due to having to build a trap door to allow the door latch cam to clear the top of the ramp.  We also set straps to hold the doors open.

Jason, Bob L., Steve, Cindy and I later returned and installed most of the display panels.  Things went well so I drove back to Sheepscot for paint to fix the pulled sheathing joints.  The entire pier side was retouched and part of the road side got attention. As I painted, Steve gave tours inside the car. One was to a fellow who worked for Hood Dairy and knew of the original Turner Centre Dairy    

Cindy went to the print shop to make an enlarged version of Stephen H's beautiful photo of the "milk mixed" pulling the hill at Rose Wood. The image will be installed in the car tomorrow.  Cindy also told me that she got red, white and blue ribbon for the ribbon cutting.

This evening, Cindy and I took a friend to Sarah's.  Great view of the milk car and track.  I spoke to the waitress and she said that people have been asking her about it. She knew it has historic displays.  After supper I toured my friend through the car.  He's from England and said that the car was the best n.g. milk car he's seen on either side of the pond.  

Stewart

Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 04, 2012, 12:41:54 PM
Lincoln County News article on today's planned Dairy Car ribbon cutting at 5 p.m.:

http://lincolncountynewsonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=3&SubSectionID=41&ArticleID=55357

And in the Wiscasset Newspaper:

http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/wiscasset-waterville-farmington-railway-museum-kicks-summer-bang/780

Nice job to the person who submitted these articles.

- Bill
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 04, 2012, 08:19:27 PM
Thought I would share my photos from today. Several different angles. Wish I would have recorded the speech.


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3624.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3625.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3626.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3629.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3627.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_3628.jpg)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 05, 2012, 08:50:10 AM
Good photos Mike!  

I have been asked a number of questions about Car 65 over the last week, so here are a few key points, some not posted before.

The milk car ran in a special train known as the "milk mixed" on Saturday, June 9th.  When the special came back to Sheepscot the milk car was switched to the end of the spur.  A section of bog track was used as a ramp to load the car onto Bud Davis' trailer.  Bud kindly offered to use his truck and trailer to haul the car to Wiscasset.  He uses the rig in his business of materials handling equipment in Meridan, CT.  Bud is the fellow who donated the overhead crane system in bay 2.

Saturday afternoon the car was taken down to the parking lot behind the Wiscasset Emergency Services Building.  Early Sunday morning Bud delivered the car to the Wiscasset Creamery Pier on the river next to Rt 1.  The move took one turn from Rt 1 into the parking lot and a bit of lining up with the display track.  

The car will be open from 8 am to 8 pm.  Frank and Linda Sprague who operate Sprague's Lobster on the pier have offered to open and close the car everyday.  Frank and Linda have been strong supporters of the milk car project and have helped museum volunteers with a number of things while they worked on the car.  Their business is right across the pier from the milk car and can be seen in Mike's 3rd photo of the dedication.  

The exhibit panels were designed by Jason and Steve Z. with graphic design help from Bill R.  The panels contain historical text, photos and maps.  The north end display was designed by Stewart and contains an ice bin, ice tongs, milk cans, a Turner Centre quart milk bottle and an old tin lunch pail.  A few other exhibit panels will be added such as a complete time line of Wiscasset history and directions to - plus hours of operation for the museum.

The car may be brought back to Sheepscot in October if a low profile trailer can be found.  The car would be kept inside.

Stewart    
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on July 05, 2012, 09:30:37 AM
Thanks, Mike! Great pics and great job getting different angles!!

Stephen
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 05, 2012, 06:43:26 PM
I took video of the opening speeches.  The transcript from the video, as best I can make out (amid traffic and a wind chime somewhere nearby):

Steve: A year ago - less than a year ago, this was a concept.  Today it's a reality.  It's amazing what you can do when you work together.  Jason and I come up with the idea of interacting with the Town of Wiscasset by providing a vehicle for historic displays that would keep people out of their cars and put them on this pier for a longer period of time.  I think we've been successful.  It's been a lot of fun, a lot of work, and ultimately it's done what we think it's going to do.  We have the Wiscasset Board of Selectmen to thank, the Town Manager Laurie Smith, the Town Planner Misty Gorski, and all the great volunteers of the WW&F.  Thank you one and all.  Pam, if you would?

Les Fossell: Can I say one thing?  As the treasurer of the Wiscasset and Quebec Railroad, and a friend of Harry for many decades, he'd be so proud of you guys.  You've done such a wonderful thing.  Thank you.

Pam: On behalf of the Town of Wiscasset, the Board of Selectmen, and the citizens of Wiscasset, we'd like to thank the Railway Museum for donating their time and effort in bringing this beautiful exhibit to town.  And we're going to cut (cuts ribbon) and it is officially opened!

(much cheering and applause)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on July 12, 2012, 08:22:16 PM
  Stewart,  Thank you, for the information about the metal roof.  I have been away from home for several weeks, wish to thank all the members who worked or reported about the milk car number 65. The inside pictures and displays are just great. Thanks  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 16, 2012, 05:48:06 PM
Frank Sprague told us that there was a high level of foot traffic in the milk car last week.  Due to amount of visitors in the car, Steve Z. installed a WW&F Museum brochure holder inside today.  We didn't include one prior to this because there is a kiosk with our brochures on the railing right outside the car (it's visible at right in Mikes last photo).   We changed our minds because not everyone goes to the outside kiosk, plus there are multimple brochures inside so ours may not be seen.  The inside holder is a better way to give visitors information on the museum.  The next addition will be a panel with museum info. including a map with directions to Sheepscot Station. 

Stewart
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 23, 2012, 11:55:23 AM
In the last couple of weeks a number of visitors have come to Sheepscot after seeing the milk car.  Some have noted it in the guest book while others have told us in person.  Some of the states that visitors have come from are Florida, Alabama, Virginia, W. Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Ohio.   Everyone I have spoken to enjoyed the exhibits and came to the railroad to see more of the operation. 

Stewart 
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on July 23, 2012, 03:23:23 PM
That is exactly the response we were looking for.
Make sure we have a good supply of brochures and good directions to the museum.
Great job, one and all.
Ira Schreiber
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 23, 2012, 08:31:26 PM
It's too bad that some sort of highway "shuttle" vehicle couldn't meet the Maine Eastern trains to take visitors from the Wiscasset stop to the WW&F and return them in time to meet the return ME train. A deal would have to be made with the ME to provide information at their ticket facility and / or on their train, to promote a side trip to the WW&F.  Worth a shot?
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 23, 2012, 09:58:40 PM
It's too bad that some sort of highway "shuttle" vehicle couldn't meet the Maine Eastern trains to take visitors from the Wiscasset stop to the WW&F and return them in time to meet the return ME train. A deal would have to be made with the ME to provide information at their ticket facility and / or on their train, to promote a side trip to the WW&F.  Worth a shot?
I've always thought it would be neat to buy a ticket from Boston to Alna Center :)
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 24, 2012, 10:33:06 AM
When the "Downeaster" service begins running to Brunswick this fall, you could do just that.  Buy a ticket to Brunswick, then take the Maine Eastern from Brunswick to Wiscasset, get on a shuttle van there to Sheepscot, and take the train to Alna Center.  How neat would that be?  Of course, what would you do at Alna Center to wile away the time?  It's not exactly a metropolis with lots of sights to take in.  Some deep thinking is needed to pull this off.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Win Nowell on July 24, 2012, 12:48:30 PM
Richard,

If you picked the right time of year you could go pick'in daisys.

That what daisy pickers do!!

There are several photographs around of a wonderful crop of daisys right along the track at Alna.

Win Nowell
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 24, 2012, 02:52:57 PM
I believe that the old Colorado Midland used to run popular "Wildflower Excursions" back in the Gay 90s.  Maybe WW&F and Maine Eastern could "partner up" and have some of the same, in season.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 24, 2012, 03:09:39 PM
I'm sure we can find something for people to do to while away their time.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 24, 2012, 03:52:53 PM
I'm sure we can find something for people to do to while away their time.
I am reminded of the old joke, "Welcome to Heaven; here's your harp. Welcome to Hell; here's your accordion."

With Fred, it would be, "Welcome to Alna Center; here's you weed whacker."

-John
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 25, 2012, 07:38:58 PM
I'm still more than half serious about bringing visitors from the Maine Eastern trains to Sheepscot for a quick visit before heading back to the "wide gauge" at Wiscasset.  It would take some sort of cooperative ticketing effort, and a dedicated shuttle van to accomplish it.  But I'll bet it could be done.  This would be especially neat once the "Downeaster" service to Brunswick commences.  There'll be even more potential customers. You might even rate a "call-out" in the Amtrak timetable for the "Downeaster".  Now wouldn't that be neat!!  Many tourist railroads which reside in Amtrak territory are mentioned by name in their schedules. Some have nice color photos and everything!  I believe the Maine Eastern is one of them. Just think if the WW&F, complete with a photo, were to appear along with the ME blurb.  Someone please bring this up at the next BOD meeting. 
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 25, 2012, 10:47:22 PM
I expect that the Maine Eastern schedules may change when the DE connections are added, but at the moment  the Maine Eastern schedules are very Rockland oriented.

If you wish to start from Rockland, the train departs Rockland at 0750, arrives Wiscasset at 0900, and arrives Brunswick 0945. It departs Brunswick at 1030, arrives Wiscasset 1115, and arrives back in Rockland at 1225. Thus, there are 2 hours and 15 minutes available in Wiscasset for a side trip for those coming from Rockland. (In the evening, the train departs Rockland at 1555 and arrives Wiscasset at 1705, well after we have ceased operations for the day.)

If you wish to start from Brunswick, the train departs Brunswick at 1030, arrives Wiscasset at 1115, and arrives Rockland at 1225. It departs Rockland at 1555, arrives Wiscasset at 1705, and returns to Brunswick at 1750. Thus, there are 5 hours and 50 minutes available in Wiscasset for a side trip for those coming from Brunswick.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hansel Gordon on August 12, 2012, 02:12:07 PM
a week ago I filmed Maine eastern passing the reefer.
Video:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laBn-DmFjlA&list=UUU0BM_sf1EUz6eNojV9C5Sw&index=1&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on August 12, 2012, 03:05:43 PM
I spoke to an official at the Maine Eastern earlier this week, in connection with the ME's entry in the 2013 edition of Kalmbach's "Tourist Trains Guidebook." I asked him specifically about connections with the Amtrak Downeaster service, and he told me that Amtrak has not shared with ME which trains will continue from Portland to Brunswick, nor which trains will originate in Brunswick. "If they have a plan, it's an internal document," he stated. He said that ME has no plans to alter its schedules at this time.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on August 12, 2012, 04:42:12 PM
That report is discouraging to say the least.  Bureaucratic nonsense at its finest. Maybe they'll have one leave 5 minutes before the other gets there.  Goodness knows, we wouldn't want to make this work out for the convenience of the public.

What about the group that sponsors the Downeaster? Trainriders Northeast, or whatever they call themselves. They have boosted the Downeaster from day one.  Could they be helpful in getting these various parties to communicate with each other?

Worth a try, I should think.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Erik Z. Missal on September 13, 2012, 05:43:40 PM
Hi,
Amtrak has announced they will be starting service to Brunswick on Nov. 1. They will be running practice runs for 2 weeks prior. There has been a lot if activity on the signals and track.
Erik
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 13, 2012, 06:25:01 PM
According to Amtrak's press release, trains will depart Boston at 9:05 a.m. and 5:00 p.m., arriving Brunswick at 12:25 p.m.and 8:25 p.m.
Departures from Brunswick at 7:05 a.m. and 5:50 p.m., arrivals in Boston at 10:30 a.m. and 9:15 p.m.

For the record, it would be possible, if the stars align just right, to ride the Maine Eastern's afternoon train from Wiscasset (5:05 p.m.), arriving at Brunswick at 5:50 p.m., just in time to catch the Boston train. Unfortunately, there is no corresponding connection northbound TO Wiscasset until the next morning. So much for coordination....

There is an Enterprise auto rental outlet just a short distance from the station in Brunswick, which is probably the best bet for getting to and from Wiscasset and the WW&F.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 17, 2012, 02:58:11 PM
Just for the fun of it, I worked out a way I could take Amtrak from Harrisburg, Pa. to Brunswick. It would be a 15-hour marathon, including three  hours of waiting for connections. If I did that sometime, would someone be available to pick me up in Brunswick at 8:25 p.m? If I was a real masochist, i'd make it an overnight trip, leaving Harrisburg at 9:15 p.m. with a 12:25 p.m. arrival in Brunswick the next day. Amtrak doesn't make it very easy.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on September 18, 2012, 03:28:10 PM
Wayne....if you want to try Ginny and I can pick you up.

Keith
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on December 27, 2012, 08:10:16 PM
Is the TCDA #65 Reefer still on display at Wiscasset outside or is it now back in Sheepscot for indoor Winter Storage?
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 28, 2012, 08:14:59 AM
It is still in Wiscasset, all locked up for the winter.  We were unable to find a means to transport it back to Sheepscot.  The person that transported it the first time was quite clear in that he didn't want to do it repeatedly.  We have people looking into trailers that we can modify to use on this project.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 15, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Anybody have any winter shots of the reefer at Wiscasset?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Reefer 65 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chris Cardinal on March 26, 2013, 10:48:20 PM
We are working from original Portland Company plans which show all the rods to be installed as construction progresses.  There is a lot of unseen steel in wooden cars.  As to rod adjustments, (as Mike noted) hidden rods are all tightened when they are installed and the nuts peened over.  No further attention is given them unless there are heavy repairs to the car sides.


Stewart

Is there any chance I might be able to purchase copies of the Portland plans? I am considered mighty "fussy" when it comes to model building. Now that I am in the larger, ride-on scales I want things to be perfect. I'd be happy to make a donation to cover costs, etc. Some other folks might like to just have a framed set of plans on their living room wall; could raise a few bucks for the museum.

Any chance you would share your paint codes as well? I was looking at the vintage paint Old Village carries ( http://old-village.com/ov_paint_colours.html ), but having it straight from the horses mouth sure beats guessing.

Thanks!

Chris
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 27, 2013, 07:10:14 AM
Hi Chris,

The plans are from the Maine State Archives in Augusta that has the original Portland Company files.  We purchased our copies from the state so I don't think the we would be allowed to sell copies.

As to the paint, we used Benjamin Moore cottage red for the milk car.  The numbers, lettering and interior is painted in gloss white enamel.

Hope this helps.  Your project sounds great, would you post some photos of your railroad?

Stewart
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chris Cardinal on March 27, 2013, 09:43:55 AM
Hi Chris,

The plans are from the Maine State Archives in Augusta that has the original Portland Company files.  We purchased our copies from the state so I don't think the we would be allowed to sell copies.

As to the paint, we used Benjamin Moore cottage red for the milk car.  The numbers, lettering and interior is painted in gloss white enamel.

Hope this helps.  Your project sounds great, would you post some photos of your railroad?

Stewart

Thanks Stewart, that is actually quite helpful! Do you have a contact at the state archives?

I'll try to get something together to post.

cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on March 27, 2013, 11:58:17 AM
I may be wrong....but I thought I remembered the Portland Co. files were with the Maine Historical Society in Portland. Not the State Archives.

Keith
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 27, 2013, 02:34:35 PM
Ok Keith, now I'm not sure.  I think Zack got the plans when boxcar 309 was rebuilt in 1996-97 and I thought he mentioned the MSA in Augusta. Maybe it was the MHS.  If someone on here knows, (maybe James) what we did back then please advise.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chris Cardinal on March 27, 2013, 04:15:31 PM
I may be wrong....but I thought I remembered the Portland Co. files were with the Maine Historical Society in Portland. Not the State Archives.

Keith

Yep, Maine historical Society has the entire Portland Company collection. They were kind enough to email me an Excel file of all drawings.

Can't wait to order copies!

C.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 27, 2013, 04:51:42 PM
Maine Historical Society in Portland has all Portland Company drawings.  The two-foot ones have been organized and cataloged, so you should be able to ask for a particular car's plans.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chris Cardinal on March 31, 2013, 10:42:26 PM
(http://stephenhussar.smugmug.com/photos/i-ths9CJ8/0/L/i-ths9CJ8-L.jpg)



Where did you folks source the big oak timbers from? I've been having a hard time finding decent lumber of any length!

C.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 01, 2013, 06:05:09 AM
Chris,

I believe the sills were purchased in Maine, and that they are fir.

The end sills, queen post timbers, and the wall studs were sawn by Dean's sawmill in NH - from oak logs that were cut on the museum's property.

All 18 pages of this thread, as well as the thread marked "Turner Centre Creamery Car" (I think) pretty well chronicles the start to finish of this project.  There are still little things to do to make the car complete; we still need to install the brake system, including the brake staff and brake wheel.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on April 16, 2013, 05:32:26 PM
Are there plans to bring to car back to the WW&F this year or will it remain on display where it is at?
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 10, 2013, 06:31:18 PM
Matthew,
I know it's been a long time since the question was asked but we didn't have answers for months.  Now I can advise that there is a plan to get the car from Wiscasset, possibly next month if the trailer is ready.   The move will serve a couple of purposes, one being to test the loading down at the pier and another to see how to best rig the car for travel.  We'll also see how the trailer travels with the milk car.  The move should be fine since the car is less then half of the rated capacity of the trailer. 

More info will be posted once the trailer and crew are set.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 10, 2013, 07:14:33 PM
The trailer will be ready. The transportation division of ROWMOW 1 MFG. is designing blocking that can be secured to the trailer to keep the car stable for the ride on the trailer. This will keep the car from swaying while it did in the way down to the pier, and take some weight of the aging trucks.

Brendan and I have agreed on what else needs to be done to the trailer, my part will be done the first week or 2 in December.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 14, 2013, 05:37:51 PM
On the road again

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/65Ontheroadagain_zpsc15fd9cf.jpg)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 14, 2014, 10:03:16 PM
Some interior photos I took last weekend while the car was being prepped for the ride to Springfield.

The piece of glass leaning against the wall normally goes in the wall at the far end of the car make an exhibit area. The glass was removed to avoid breakage when the car goes down the road.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0030_zps7081e79f.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0027_zps7d04422c.jpg)

When the glass is up the milk cans and other items from the Creamery are behind the glass. The dark brown sink looking item behind the wall is an ice bin.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0026_zpsb8dfebf9.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0024_zps9f6cb40e.jpg)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on January 15, 2014, 03:04:02 PM
Nice pictures Brendan. I can't wait to see the car sitting at the Railroad Show next weekend. That should make more than a few folks stop and visit. What a great way to make the museum more well known.
Duncan
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on January 15, 2014, 04:59:20 PM
Maybe next year, 51 could be cleaned up for display. Just a dream...
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on January 15, 2014, 06:15:49 PM
Or how about Caboose 320 or Boxcar 309.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 15, 2014, 08:08:59 PM
It would more likely be RC4.   We would have to find an enclosed trailer to haul it and have the fuel drained out of the tank and lines.

Start
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 15, 2014, 10:36:21 PM
I think the caboose might be too high on the trailer.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 16, 2014, 09:03:55 PM
Only up until the first low bridge Brendan. Then should clear everything just fine.  ;)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 16, 2014, 09:24:53 PM
Let's not re-create that part of two-foot history ... after all, the caboose haircut cupola crop happened on the B&SR!
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on January 16, 2014, 10:00:34 PM
Idea for a future display at the Amherst Ry Society Railroad Hobby Show -
- something that would not be needed in January
- something that very well illustrates the talent and will of the WW&F volunteers
- something fairly easily transported with existing equipment.
- something that certainly has no equal
   presenting: .....Work Car 1008, a/k/a  BIG JOE! 
I believe that this machine would definitely be an attention-getter.  While certainly not as attractive as the TCDA 65, the machine does have a good story to tell, starting with its proposal, then design, construction, entering service, ongoing improvements and the experiences of its use.   An interesting chapter in the ongoing history of the WW&F.

Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on January 16, 2014, 11:13:02 PM
That's not a half-bad idea, Bill. In fact, it ought to be possible to fit both Big Joe AND the Model-T R/C on the trailer... no?
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on January 16, 2014, 11:54:16 PM
What about the old boiler and frame from No. 9? With some creativity, those parts could serve the basis for a display of the cab setup on No 9 without dragging No. 9 down to Springfield. Put on a stack, do up some jacketing and a simple cab to give the idea of what the view from the engine is like...
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on January 17, 2014, 11:24:08 PM
Sure like the Big Joe idea, Bill. Could both Big Joe and ROW MOW be transported to Springfield? Then the theme could be general track and ROW maintenance.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 18, 2014, 04:52:08 PM
Loaded up, tied down and ready for departure.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps86201f68.jpg)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 19, 2014, 10:01:01 AM
This has been a great effort by all involved, and I hope that everyone appreciates these efforts. Lots of time has been spent planning, building, coordinating and discussing about every possible aspect of the move. I plan on bringing my camera and tripod so I can take some set up shots, kind of like a time lapse. Unless of course our own SH shows up with his professional services.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 19, 2014, 10:08:33 AM
I plan on bringing my camera and tripod so I can take some set up shots, kind of like a time lapse. Unless of course our own SH shows up with his professional services.

Sounds like good WW&F Newsletter material. :)
-John
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 19, 2014, 10:50:48 AM
John, if this is not newsletter worthy, then I don't know what is. Just wish someone could catch Brendan going in stealth mode Wednesday evening.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 19, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
Mike,

I've talked to Stephen and he will be at the show Thursday to install the lighting.  He's designed a special light rope that runs the length of the car so the photos, etc. are well lit.  There will be line clamps, wiremold and a transformer to set up.

Start
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on January 19, 2014, 02:29:36 PM
You guys are just awesome.
Ira
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 19, 2014, 04:35:52 PM
Today, the garage rats snow birds shoveled 4" of snow off the roof of #65 and trailer.  They even put a small electric heater inside the car to warm the roof so everything melts and dries off before the temps drop overnight. 

Now that's thinkin with ya Bean boots on, eh! 
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 19, 2014, 05:10:35 PM
I was curious how much snow Sheepscot got yesterday.  It was just starting when KD and I left, and it was snowing to beat the band below Portland.

That car is going to look great at the Big E!
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 19, 2014, 06:30:41 PM
Eh-ya!
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 23, 2014, 01:51:47 AM
Only dairy car getting gas on the Mass Pike this morning.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/image_zps5f75b1b4.jpg)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on January 23, 2014, 07:20:01 AM
GREAT picture, Brendan!  ;D
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on January 23, 2014, 07:29:46 AM
You WW&F guys (and ladies too) are AMAZING!


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on January 23, 2014, 09:06:40 AM
It's going to look great on track in the Mallory Building......
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 23, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
It does look great in the Mallary Building... We put on quite a show unloading the car, or at least we had a sizeable audience. Some photos were taken by the crowd, and lots of questions were asked and answered. SH set up some interior lighting that really brought the interior to life. I snapped a couple of pics and will post them Friday if I get a chance
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 24, 2014, 07:24:16 PM
Another thing about the display, the car rests on original Kennebec Central rail.  We get a positive reaction from people when they hear that the last time the rails were spiked to ties was 85 years ago.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 28, 2014, 09:45:22 PM
Any shots of it at the show?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 28, 2014, 10:01:20 PM
Look in the Amherst 2014 thread and January work planning thread in the volunteer section.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Schade on April 12, 2014, 11:09:04 AM
I helped the guys build the length of track and unload the car at the Rockland Station.  we set up right behind the newly painted Maine Eastern (ex- SOO line) caboose.  there was also a plow, coach and lounge car and the FL-9 Diesel Locomotive on the broad gauge.


Here are some photos of the visit to Rockland...

(http://www.7-8ths.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16685036.0;attach=135811;image)
(http://www.7-8ths.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16685036.0;attach=135813;image)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on April 13, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
 Thanks to all the volunteers that help make Rockland Station visit possible.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 28, 2014, 09:02:53 AM
Car 65 was set out at the Creamery Pier in Wiscasset this morning.  The next steps will be to re-install the ramp from the pier, re-install the glass in the ice bin end and set up the waterfront display module in the other end.  The car should be open to the public sometime next month.  
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on April 29, 2014, 04:36:05 PM
Car 65's summer home.

There is an entrance ramp that goes where the 2x4's are in front of the car door. There use to be a set of stairs to pier where the car door is and the 2x4's blocked the opening while the car was away for the winter. Standard gauge is the ex Maine Central Rockland branch now operated by Maine Eastern RR.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0095.jpg)

US route 1 is just out of frame to the right.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0092.jpg)

The pilings are the original WW&F trestle crossing the harbor. The siding for the creamery ran parallel  to the new pier on pilings and passed underneath the cameras location.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0116.jpg)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 29, 2014, 08:45:58 PM
Nice angle. Interesting perspective
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 30, 2014, 07:52:18 AM
Looks like a nice model! The model automobiles are much more realistic than I've seen on most layouts.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 30, 2014, 08:01:06 AM
Well if we ever get back to Wiscasset I know exactly where the station and boarding platform should be!   Crew lunch at Red's - we'll never be short volunteers for that trip......  ;)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 30, 2014, 08:59:04 AM
 Crew lunch at Red's - we'll never be short volunteers for that trip......  ;)

Only if the crew can jump to the head of the line - otherwise the return trip will be delayed (long lines at Reds).
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 30, 2014, 10:45:46 AM
Amazing timing setting the camara to automatic and tossing it in the air like that.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 30, 2014, 11:32:01 AM
Actually photos were taken by the local NSA drone ......
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Byron on July 15, 2014, 02:22:49 PM
These may not be related, but one part of the listing is spelled "Turner Centre".  Take a look and decide.

http://maine.craigslist.org/atq/4568363372.html
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 27, 2014, 10:35:15 PM
New Wiscasset waterfront diorama installed this year.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0022-1.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0019.jpg)

Look around the inside.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0040.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0043.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0046.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0032-1.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0046.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0039.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0029.jpg)

Outside

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0054.jpg)

Fuzzy Maine Eastern Wiscasset Flyer parked on the other side of RT 1.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/DSC_0065.jpg)

Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 28, 2014, 08:08:06 AM
Good shots B.  Note that lighting has been installed in the display module in the south end of the car.  Stephen Hussar donated the lighting system when car 65 was on display the Big E Show in W. Springfield, MA in January.  The set up was reconfigured for the new display module when it was installed in Wiscasset.  Steve Zuppa installed the light strips and Frank Sprague (Spragues Lobster) arranged for us to have electric.   We've heard good comments about the lights from people who have visited the car in the evening or on cloudy days. 
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 21, 2015, 06:50:45 PM
Car 65 returned for the winter today.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_2151.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_2153.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_2156.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_2159.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_2163.jpg)

Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 22, 2015, 06:23:07 AM
Really going to make use of the car barn..
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 24, 2015, 11:41:05 PM
Car barn and coming roundhouse action will see lots more switching moves, might need a yardmaster.  ;D
BTW, what are those small logs on work cart for?
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 20, 2016, 01:03:06 AM
65 was jacked up Saturday and the south truck rolled out for a wheelset change. 65 will see it's first trip outside yard limits in almost four years during the upcoming photo excursion on Friday.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4040.jpg)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on March 20, 2016, 08:38:08 AM
Paul, Per your Oct. 25, 2015 post.Small logs on push cart are for locomotive firewood.  dwight
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 21, 2016, 03:33:07 PM
Question - when is #65 getting a roofwalk attached?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 21, 2016, 03:59:37 PM
Jeff,

There are many things we would like to do to the car, a few jobs:

- Install brakes with brake staff and rooftop brake wheel.
- Add stirrup steps under the ladders.
- Put cut levers on both ends.
- Build the roof walk.

The problem:

As long as the car is being trucked to Wiscasset and back we can not put anything on that will catch overhead wires or hit the trailer deck when the car is loaded/unloaded. Clearance is very close for the trucks and carbody and everything listed would cause problems.  We are stuck with the current set up.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 21, 2016, 04:24:08 PM
I had also wanted to ask about the absence of brakes, cut levers, stirrup steps, and roof walk, because the dairy car (as impressive as it is) doesn't look quite right without them. I hadn't considered the issue of clearance and safety in transport, but that makes sense. Thank you Stewart for answering my question before I even asked it.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 21, 2016, 04:34:05 PM
Then maybe the solution is to have two dairy cars, one for over the rails and one for over the road.  But not a priority at this time, just a future project.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 21, 2016, 04:49:07 PM
We had talked about making the brake wheel able to slide down to be lowered, but unless the wheel is removed every time, it would be too tall. Brakes under the car would not be in the way really, but the way the trucks move when loading and unloading, something would bend or break from the movement.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 21, 2016, 07:10:56 PM
I believe the roof walk was left off to avoid holes in the roof because the car lives outside most of the time. Stirrups under the ladders would be ok going on and off the trailer and the brake wheel would be ok if the staff was no higher than 309's.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 21, 2016, 08:07:04 PM
Truck disassembly to remove the wheelset.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4071.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4073.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4080.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4086.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4088.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4090.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4096.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4100.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74009/IMG_4102.jpg)
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 21, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
So why were we told that the stirrups would hit the trailer?  Good to know they would clear that's one reason out of the way.  The other thing is Zack and others (Steve?) not wanting stirrups or roof walks due to fear of kids climbing on the car in Wiscasset.  Maybe we can revisit the stirrup idea at least.  Adding them would look better and be be much better switching.  It's a long jump to the bottom rung.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 22, 2016, 08:49:28 AM
I am curious, why did we change the wheel set?  I am assuming it has something to do with  running 65 in the photo train.  If it was a flaw in the wheel set, what becomes of it? 
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 22, 2016, 12:17:42 PM
Start...having spent three summers switching for ATSF, not having stirrups to safely hop on, off or ride a  car is a DANGEROUS way to lose a foot, leg or worse. Wow.
Almost slipped under a couple times, even using stirrups.

Locos, cars, even two-footers,  are way heavy, not instantly stoppable, merciless if you're too careless.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 22, 2016, 05:48:23 PM
Bill,
There were some issues that had to be addressed before it could go up the line.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on March 22, 2016, 10:32:55 PM
Mike

I would assume there is a big difference between sitting and rolling.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 23, 2016, 04:25:36 AM
It could roll just fine, but the trucks had settled more than they should have after the assembly when the car was built. This put the ends of the bolts that hold the center of the trucks together dangerously close to rail height. This is something that we talked about doing for well over a year now.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 23, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
Your simplest solution to that problem would be to put one-inch oak shims under the springs. It was done all the time back in the day, and is still done to some extent today.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on March 23, 2016, 04:44:38 PM
The issue was clearance of the truck frame bolt nuts to the railhead- or crossing planks.  It was getting mighty close; the shim would raise the car but not the truck frame.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 23, 2016, 04:57:05 PM
Oops. My bad. Now I understand....
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on March 24, 2016, 06:45:35 AM
Jason and Brendan,

While this truck is disassembled, could you please check the plywood pieces used for the rear dust seals on the journal boxes?  If you recall, these are not original PCo boxes, but rather the industrial railway boxes procured by one of our members.  I seem to remember at least one of the seals splitting when we were assembling the shims, boxes, and side frames at the beginning of the creamery car project.

I assume this truck is the one that has the worst of the oval-shaped wheels, as well as the wheels not having the proper tread profile?

Dave Crow
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 24, 2016, 07:11:01 AM
The truck is back together under the car and 65 made a couple trips to T.O.M yesterday.

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Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on March 24, 2016, 10:08:46 PM
Did you guys turn the wheelset, or replace it with one on hand?
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on March 25, 2016, 04:02:42 AM
The wheel set thought to have an issue, upon further examination, is actually in good shape. So the wheel was put back under the car. Box car 67's wheels are currently in the process of being turned on the wheel lathe however to re-profile the wheels.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 23, 2016, 07:07:09 PM
65 in the machine shop getting a new coat of paint before returning to the pier in Wiscasset for the summer.

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Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 06, 2016, 09:30:20 PM
65 rolled out of the machine shop all shiny in a new coat of paint today. 65 is scheduled to be placed back on the display track at the Wiscasset pier Wednesday morning.

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Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 07, 2016, 06:49:52 PM
Car 65 was loade up on the trailer today.

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Time laspe of the loading.

https://youtu.be/9LN8Z8fr2U0
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on June 07, 2016, 07:34:13 PM
Very cool!!  The passenger trucks in one shot...what are they destined for?
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on June 07, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Gee, with the speed of that crew we should be able to build the turntable in less than a day  ;D
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mark Spremulli on June 08, 2016, 05:48:24 AM
Question, with 65 being at the pier most of the year is she going to get the Eames Brakes as well?
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 08, 2016, 06:04:05 AM
The reefer was sitting on the trailer in Wiscasset this morning as I was on my way to work.  Nobody working on unloading it yet.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 09, 2016, 10:56:46 AM
65 was unloaded at the town pier yesterday morning.

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Orignal WW&F trestle piles looking south from the town pier.

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The piles running parallel with the railing on the pier held up the siding for the Turner Centre Creamery. The mainline was approximately where the trees are. You can see where the piles go from four wide to six wide where the switch for the creamery was located.

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Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 09, 2016, 12:53:33 PM
What a beautiful spring day in Wiscasset.  How fine 65 looks back in it's summer home.  It makes me long to be up there again with such a great group of folks.

Bill
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 23, 2016, 11:12:12 AM
The Car 65 lighting crew spent a couple of hours repairing the lights in the south end of the car.  Steve H., Steve Z. and Start pulled the glass wall and tested the ballasts and lighting strips.  One strip was replaced and reattached with new clips, the new parts were brought by Steve H.   Following more testing, the glass wall was reinstalled and cleaned.  The crew then enjoyed a nice lunch at Sprague's Lobster. 
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 25, 2016, 04:39:44 PM
The TCDA car appears to have wandered its way home.  I saw that it's no longer in Wiscasset this evening on my way home.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 25, 2016, 05:46:34 PM
The dairy car came back to Sheepscot today and was the first car to use the Woods track.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/turntable/IMG_9330.jpg)

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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/turntable/IMG_9339.jpg)

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Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on October 25, 2016, 07:49:43 PM
It looks right at home on that light KC rail!!
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 25, 2016, 08:14:41 PM
Oh that is nice.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 27, 2017, 08:18:19 PM
Last week the dairy car was pulled out of the carbarn and loaded on the trailer for the trip to Wiscasset.

65 coming out of the car barn.

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Loaded on the trailer.

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52 and 126 pulling back down the loading ramp.

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All ready to go in the parking lot.

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I didn't get off of Cross Rd though. This is a disassembled and very cooked Eaton rearend two speed shift motor out of the yeti. Fedex delivered a new one today so we will try again.

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Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 29, 2017, 10:07:20 PM
The dairy car made it down to Wiscasset today.

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Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on June 30, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Thanks Brendan!  Just in time for the height of the tourist season.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 30, 2017, 01:41:59 PM
Even with probs, yooz guys got this annual move down. How many road miles is this trip?
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on June 30, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
It is about a five mile trip.
Brendan, thanks for all you do.
Ira
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 30, 2017, 08:28:52 PM
*Little fun fact, this car has more than twice as many road miles compared to rail miles.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on June 30, 2017, 08:44:36 PM
Brendan, thank you! Here's wishing the newly repaired Yeti many trouble free miles.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 30, 2017, 11:53:41 PM
Looks like the new woods/lot track makes transfers easier. Well done.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 01, 2017, 01:15:17 AM
*Little fun fact, this car has more than twice as many road miles compared to rail miles.

The dairy car has done approximately 680 miles on the trailer. One trip to West Springfield, MA, one trip to Rockland, ME, and I think we're working on the third trip back and forth from Wiscasset. I think the car has less than a dozen round trips on the railroad.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 01, 2017, 07:58:23 AM
Brendan,

What was the trip to Rockland for?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 01, 2017, 09:48:36 AM
In 2014 the Maine Eastern Railroad held a Touch a Train event at the Rockland train station and we had 65 was on display.

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Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 02, 2017, 08:38:20 AM
#65 is a regular good will ambassador for the railroad.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Russ Nelson on June 26, 2019, 05:10:37 PM
And now it's back on the WW&F!
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on June 26, 2019, 05:45:54 PM
It's very apparent that the new "loading dock" is a vast improvement over the woods track.  I would suggest scraping down the mud and getting some stone down on the vehicle side of things.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on June 26, 2019, 05:48:17 PM
Here's our chance to add the missing period after ASS'N   . 
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 26, 2019, 08:21:03 PM
Good catch there, Harold.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on June 26, 2019, 09:06:18 PM
Indeed, good catch.

Maybe also a brake wheel and cut levers on the couplers?
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 27, 2019, 03:20:35 AM
The parkinglot will have to settle out. There was a foot of gravel there before the work, and with the clay being moved around it blended with the gravel. It should improve with time.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Maggi on May 28, 2020, 09:05:22 AM
Can someone tell me the dimensions in inches of the six longitudinal boards that make up the car frame that run the length of the car? I don't need their length, but what are their other dimensions (height x width)? Thanks.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 02, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
Look like 4x8s.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Maggi on June 02, 2020, 12:56:52 PM
Thanks Paul.
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on June 02, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
Looking at the boxcar plans from which we built the replica car, the outer sills are 4-3/4" x 8" and the center 4 sills are 3-3/4" x 7".

Dave Crow
Title: Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Maggi on June 02, 2020, 03:29:49 PM
Wonderful. Thanks Dave!