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Title: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Tim Hairston on November 04, 2010, 06:07:31 PM
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/11/04/popular_tourist_railroad_in_mass_up_for_sale/
Title: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 04, 2010, 06:08:35 PM
See the details at

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/newsnow/x360240692/Local-owner-puts-Edaville-Railroad-on-the-market

or

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/11/04/popular_tourist_railroad_in_mass_up_for_sale?mode=PF

"CARVER — Edaville Railroad is for sale, the Marlborough-based owner of the historic land said today.

"Developer Jon Delli Priscoli said park operators Brenda Johnson and Robert Julian have decided not to renew their lease, which prompted him to put the facility up for sale..."

Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Mike Fox on November 04, 2010, 07:10:26 PM
I hope a buyer is found soon. It would be tragic to loose what is left of Edaville now.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 05, 2010, 08:19:24 AM
I am usually an optimist, but this doesn't sound good. Especially considering what Jon Delli Priscoli did to the Alcos and other antique equipment at the Grafton & Upton. Brenda and Rob (the current operators) were probably the park's best hope.

He's a businessman first, and I suspect the land at Edaville is worth far more than the amusement park.

One of the comment on the article summed it up well from a business perspective:
Quote
Hmm... $10M. This means that a PROFIT after expenses of $500,000 per year is required for any buyer to get a 5% rate of return on their investment. I am not optimistic that someone can continue to run it as a tourist attraction, pay taxes, staff, maintenance, insurance, etc. and have that king of money left over.

Someone on RYPN posted that a steamer from Boothbay will be running at the Christmas Festival this year. Maybe it would be good to pay one last visit.

I think that we should also start considering if there is anything at Edaville that we should have at the WW&F. I believe that Edaville still has one car (coach) from either the B&H/B&SR or Sandy River. Could the Hudswell be rebuilt into a replica of WW&F #6?
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Zak LaRoza on November 05, 2010, 09:34:18 AM
If I had a lot of money, I'd buy Edaville. Problem is, I don't have that kind of money! >:(
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Glenn Byron on November 05, 2010, 10:21:04 AM
This is very reflective of the economic climate all around us.  Many of us bemoaned the loss of The Roy Rogers, Dale Evans Museum, formerly of Victorville, CA and ending in Branson, MO.  Trigger and Bullet will reappear this fall on RFD TV, and we enjoyed Nellybelle, Pat Brady's Willys Jeep, at the Hershey PA. AACA Fall Meet this Oct. The 3 Million $$$$ sale in New York City scattered the contents to the wind.  Many of our favorite attractions are in serious trouble and only a grass roots effort can save the day.  Millionaires are not sharing as well these days as someone posted above what the 10 Million asking price requires for return of investment.  Volunteering with our favorite institution is only one of the requirements.  The take at the door and membership receipts can only stretch so far. Look at the current upheaval at MNG where much of Edaville stock landed as a prime example. Our WW&F Museum seems to be faring better than most throughout this climate.  For that, we must congratulate our BOD and all the caring volunteers that give so freely of their souls to make it happen. We must not let our guard down a moment. Museums and attractions are very much at risk.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Tim Hairston on November 05, 2010, 03:11:48 PM
Car 21 from the SR&RL is there. I believe thats it for original stuff. There is also caboose #554 which I think is made from a B&H boxcar.
I am usually an optimist, but this doesn't sound good. Especially considering what Jon Delli Priscoli did to the Alcos and other antique equipment at the Grafton & Upton. Brenda and Rob (the current operators) were probably the park's best hope.

He's a businessman first, and I suspect the land at Edaville is worth far more than the amusement park.

One of the comment on the article summed it up well from a business perspective:
Quote
Hmm... $10M. This means that a PROFIT after expenses of $500,000 per year is required for any buyer to get a 5% rate of return on their investment. I am not optimistic that someone can continue to run it as a tourist attraction, pay taxes, staff, maintenance, insurance, etc. and have that king of money left over.

Someone on RYPN posted that a steamer from Boothbay will be running at the Christmas Festival this year. Maybe it would be good to pay one last visit.

I think that we should also start considering if there is anything at Edaville that we should have at the WW&F. I believe that Edaville still has one car (coach) from either the B&H/B&SR or Sandy River. Could the Hudswell be rebuilt into a replica of WW&F #6?
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on November 05, 2010, 11:00:47 PM
Well,...
it might be good for someone to get a bunch of trucks. couplers, etc...
but IIRC, most of what's there is of foreign manufacture and not suitable for museums.
That being said, I'm passing around the hat for the "Help Cosmo Buy EDAville Fund!"
Hey look, $5.00! Only nine-million, nine-hundred-ninety-nine thousand, nine-hundred and ninety-five to go!  ;D
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Mike Fox on November 08, 2010, 08:54:24 PM
And about 85 days to do it. Good luck Cosmo.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: James Patten on November 08, 2010, 09:04:07 PM
Nine-million, nine-hundred-ninety-nine thousand, nine-hundred and ninety-five dollars to go
Nine-million dollars to go
Take the hat down, pass it around
Help Cosmo buy the Edaville now.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Zak LaRoza on November 09, 2010, 10:27:32 AM
I think the hudswell could more easily be built into a replica of the Sandy River's Old Star than WW&F #6...
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Tim Hairston on November 13, 2010, 02:54:32 PM
http://members.cox.net/edacards/card90.jpg
In this picture there appears to be another car like the #26 (now our coach eight) and also an excursion from the old Edaville. Since I don't remember either of these cars being sold they are probably still on the property.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Tim Hairston on November 13, 2010, 03:53:14 PM
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2008100923094723598.jpg&order=byrail&page=11&key=Edaville
and what looks to be a B&H boxcar there during the new Edaville.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: James Patten on November 13, 2010, 06:32:56 PM
There is one remaining original Maine car at Edaville, a former SR&RL coach.  I think it's either 21 or 22.  A bunch of other passenger equipment came in early in the twenty-oughts, I think built in Colorado.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Mike Fox on November 13, 2010, 08:08:50 PM
A recent photo (last 3 or 4 years) shows a coach with the celestrial(sp??!?) roof. This must be the SR&RL coach.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Tim Hairston on November 13, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
http://www.srrl-rr.org/coach21.jpg
This is the SR&RL coach
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Mike Fox on November 14, 2010, 09:46:30 PM
Interesting. Only 2 changes in appearance in the car since it's days on the SR&RL with the exception being paint. Steel platform and the trucks it's riding on. But I also noticed another item while I was looking for builders photos. The SR&RL had excursion coaches that the Edaville built excursion cars resemble. Learn something new every day.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 14, 2010, 11:03:36 PM
Isn't this car the one that started out as a baggage car on the B&SR, was rebuilt as a combine at Edaville, and finally converted to a straight coach? Or do I have it confused with another car?
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Bernie Perch on November 14, 2010, 11:06:53 PM
Wayne,

The car you are thinking about is at Boothbay.  See the Thread for that line.

Bern
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Mike Fox on November 15, 2010, 07:25:24 PM
Wayne, if I have it correct, the car was actually coach 21 on the SR&RL. Looked pretty much like it does now back then.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 19, 2010, 06:36:22 PM
Here is a link to the sale brochure for Edaville, through broker D.F. Barnhardt: http://www.trains-trams-trolleys.com/Edaville_Brochure.pdf
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Gordon Cook on November 20, 2010, 10:13:47 AM

It's a pretty brochure but with all the nice words about potential it begs the question of why sell it?.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 20, 2010, 10:34:39 AM
Exactly.

There is more going on here than meets the eye.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Zak LaRoza on November 20, 2010, 04:06:55 PM
Just like Transformers...  ;D
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Tim Hairston on November 20, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
Engine 13 from Boothbay has arrived at Edaville. Will run fridays and saturdays in December
http://www.facebook.com/EdavilleUSA?v=wall#!/photo.php?fbid=462590784836&set=a.462590569836.256568.32252819836&pid=5210174&id=32252819836
Title: Re: Edaville marketing
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 30, 2010, 09:30:16 AM
I saw an Edaville billboard in Worchester, MA yesterday.  The elevated sign is right next to I-290 and advertises the Christmas Lights special trains.  The photo showed a GE diesel and had the dates of operation.  Looks like the current owners are trying to keep things going by marketing Edaville to folks traveling towards the Cape.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: James Patten on November 30, 2010, 03:17:12 PM
Is a Boothbay crew running the Boothbay steamer, or is it an Edaville crew?
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Greg Fox on November 30, 2010, 08:14:40 PM
Guess it comes down to the almighty dollar. The land, especially in Mass. is worth lots of money to develop. Another page in History? :(
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Stephen Hussar on November 30, 2010, 09:16:28 PM
Is a Boothbay crew running the Boothbay steamer, or is it an Edaville crew?
My understanding is that the locomotive is being run by crew from Boothbay, and at times with various (local) guest firemen...
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on December 06, 2010, 07:02:43 PM
Word on the street is that EDAville has been contacted by several "concerns" regarding the purchasing of the park. As yet, there are no plans for holding auction. We'll see what the future holds. Let's cross our fingers and hope.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Mike Fox on December 09, 2010, 07:23:50 PM
We can only hope those "concerns" aren't real estate developers.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 10, 2010, 01:11:09 PM
They say the most profitable crop a farmer can plant....is houses.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on December 11, 2010, 01:47:44 AM
They say the most profitable crop a farmer can plant....is houses.
With the real estate market the way it is now? GOOD LUCK!
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 11, 2010, 04:30:37 PM
They say the most profitable crop a farmer can plant....is houses.
With the real estate market the way it is now? GOOD LUCK!

They are just cheaper houses now...... or big box stores.
Title: Re: Edaville is for sale
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on December 13, 2010, 04:30:12 PM
True, but the damage they would do "tilling the soil" for houses or big box stores would be equally damaging to Edaville history.